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evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.19 10:24:00 - [1] Just wondering, How many people did you need to crew the ships of the different sizes before the inventition of pod technologies. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Roshan longshot Gallente Order of the Arrow	Posted - 2006.10.19 10:28:00 - [2] Thousands .... Sombody will link some old information shortly, so just hang out. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Marconious Caldari Mega-Deth	Posted - 2006.10.19 10:35:00 - [3] All merchant ships all have crews... pod pilots don't fly them.. us (pod pilots) are the elite so to speak... The SAS/MI 5(UK) or Dunno what america's is FBI i spose
darkmancer	Posted - 2006.10.19 10:53:00 - [4] The invention of PODs didnt affect crew numbers much(Read the "hands of a killer" in the story section. All ships are crew'd by hundreds (frigates) to thousands of people, it's just not represented in game for simplicity.
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.19 11:37:00 - [5] Actually. The PODs elimated the need for a "command" crew. Every ship you fly still has a engineering crew and presumably within some storyline context security teams. All the guns you fire, modules you run everything had to run before via a crew member or team of crew memebers to make sure it was functioning correctly and to instruct the computer. But now as you ARE the central processor(ships computer) you don't need the direct intervention of a crew member. Frigates are actually only a max of 5 man crew (which no longer have crews as that was mainly a command crew anyway). Cruisers are between 30-100's I believe then battleships enter the thousands. Titans... well we're probably talking millions. -------------- Dang nabit
Benco97 Gallente Fedo Appreciation Group	Posted - 2006.10.19 11:59:00 - [6] basic crew numbers havn't been altered much I should think, you'll still need maintenance on the bigger ships. However I think there are some ships out there that storyline wise you are th eonly person in them, shuttles for one but the smaller frigates such as Bursts and Navitas, there may be windows but that is because the hulls are a relic from when you used to have a bridge crew. Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group (FAG) and Registered Fedo breeder (Sig kindly supplied by Zurtur)
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.19 12:26:00 - [7] Originally by: evistin Just wondering, How many people did you need to crew the ships of the different sizes before the inventition of pod technologies. Pods don't replace the entire crew of the ship, they only replace the bridge crew to increase response times and control in general. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Peter McGregor Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.19 13:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Peter McGregor on 19/10/2006 13:18:56 I enjoy my own theory: sub-sentient clones. Clones of the pilot, preferably, with limited inteligence and few physiological needs. And with wetwired augmentations, allowing them to perform their tasks efficiently. And, of course, the pilot has the option of entering the "mind" of such a sub-sentient clone, to see the corridors of his ship with the clone's eyes. That would probably lower the cost of crews - after all, who'd like to be a crewmember of a starship considering the rate they pop? ;) And the pilot has a stack of special clones, which he/she can use to enter stations, planets etc. Those clones would be sub-sentient as well, unless activated by the pilot, but otherwise fully functional in ALL areas :) I'm even thinking of writing a short story involving those sub-sentient clones, but it's going to take a while.
Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2006.10.19 14:47:00 - [9] As a rough guide, this is one of the early pics that shows the crew size for the Raven.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.19 15:00:00 - [10] Hmm. If Bships have so many crew members, then people must **** and make babies all day, every day, 24/7. And POSs contain infinite numbers of people to crew new ships. I wonder how many minerals the crew constitutes when you repro a ship... ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.19 15:25:00 - [11] cough Bring on Crews as a part of the game!!!!! /end cough I typed this a couple of days ago, but it bares repeating: I think the various ships sshould have slots for special "officers" to be installed, imbuing you with a ship related bonus. Frigates and Destroers might not have any (too small), Cruisers and BC have 1, BS's 2, Dreads and Carriers 3, motherships 4, Titans 5. Basic(ish) ones should be available from NPC vendors (w00t, more ISK sinks!) and you could get special faction officers from special loot drops and mission rewards. Bearing in mind they're already coding Rigs, I imagine it would be pretty easy to work this into the code. -----------------------------------------------
SadisticSavior Caldari Edenists	Posted - 2006.10.19 15:38:00 - [12] Quote: The invention of PODs didnt affect crew numbers much(Read the "hands of a killer" in the story section. All ships are crew'd by hundreds (frigates) to thousands of people heh heh...hundreds? The Millenium Falcon was an example of a frigate. Frigates have a crew of around a dozen at most IMO....they are not capital ships. They are basically large shuttles. I'd like to know where all those hundreds of people are stuffed on a Condor or a Rifter, heh heh Quote: As a rough guide, this is one of the early pics that shows the crew size for the Raven. Awesome, thank you. Quote: Bearing in mind they're already coding Rigs, I imagine it would be pretty easy to work this into the code. What are rigs?
lofty29 Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.19 16:04:00 - [13] Originally by: SadisticSavior Quote: The invention of PODs didnt affect crew numbers much(Read the "hands of a killer" in the story section. All ships are crew'd by hundreds (frigates) to thousands of people heh heh...hundreds? The Millenium Falcon was an example of a frigate. Frigates have a crew of around a dozen at most IMO....they are not capital ships. They are basically large shuttles. Actually, the milennium falcon is more like a fighter drone. But hundreds in a frig is excessive, tbh Originally by: SadisticSavior Quote: Bearing in mind they're already coding Rigs, I imagine it would be pretty easy to work this into the code. What are rigs? They will be ship-modifiers so to speak, created using materials from new 'Wrecks' (replacing jet-cans, though normal loot can still be extracted with no skills). They will modify a certain attribute of your ship, sort of like a ship-implant. IIRC, T1 ships get 1 slot, T2 get 2 slots, and capital get 2 slots also. Id <3 a +5% damage bonus on my thron (think uber-tank + 950 DPS with t2 stuff) --- Praxitele's Inc. is Recruiting!
Jack Atarius Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2006.10.19 16:26:00 - [14] It would be interesting to be able to "man" one ship, say a Raven for this example, where you would have corp mates at the guns or whatnot. But it would be more interesting and probably more feasible to impliment manned fighters. Put it in a****pit setting (they need that view in-game anyway imho) and only allow carrier-sized fighters to be manned. I think that would make for some really amazing carrier battles, especially if you make the SP to train fighters something that would take time, even for long-time players. shrug* Just would add to the idea of crews in ships. --------- There is a weird power in a word... it deals destruction through time as the bullets go flying through space. ~Joseph Conrad
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.19 16:56:00 - [15] If frigates have crews, then why do they (most of them) have what looks like a 1-man*****pit canopy? Yes, they were retrofitted to accomodate a pod pilot, but I'm pretty sure the original versions were single-person ships. Destroyers probably have a modest crew, and I'm sure cruisers and larger have quite a few people rattling around the halls. _ The Billionaire Buccaneer (Now with 50% more Roleplay!)
lofty29 Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux If frigates have crews, then why do they (most of them) have what looks like a 1-man*****pit canopy? Yes, they were retrofitted to accomodate a pod pilot, but I'm pretty sure the original versions were single-person ships. Destroyers probably have a modest crew, and I'm sure cruisers and larger have quite a few people rattling around the halls. Because crews dont just sit in the command-deck looking pretty? They sit in the engine room, weapon bays, med-bay (WE LOST SPOCK!!1!) and so on, actually making the parts of the ship work. --- Praxitele's Inc. is Recruiting!
Ryjanna	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:31:00 - [17] Let's keep in mind the day and age here. Jumping between stars is a non-event. Why would biological beings, clone or otherwise, even be needed? Could a robot/android with a decent AI do the same tasks? Lets keep in mind that keeping a body from flattening out on a wall, or air to breath, or food and water, or even sleeping, recreation and restrooms... would take a bundle of resources. The way I understood it, even the big birds only have 1 human crew, everything else is done by subroutines. You click/think, it goes. Besides, crew pay and benifits would drain the wallet too quickly.
SadisticSavior Caldari Edenists	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:33:00 - [18] Quote: If frigates have crews, then why do they (most of them) have what looks like a 1-man***pit canopy? Some of them look larger. Even the Ibis has what looks like windows along the hull. The canopy is not the entire ship. The Millenium falcon was the same way...it also has a smll canopy, but it has a lot of interior space as well. Quote:** Actually, the milennium falcon is more like a fighter drone. In the movies it is referred to as a frigate-sized vessel. It is used for hauling cargo, not as a fighter. A fighter (especially a drone) would not have (or need) a real cargo bay.
Deez Nuttzy	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:49:00 - [19] you guys are all wrong. there is only 1 pod pilot, no one else is there except for your elves. These aren't the run of the mill elves like, hobbit and their not like the elves up north helping st. nick make toys for all the littles ****s in the world. they are more like smurf type elves but instead of being blue, they our green, with orange eyes, sort of like little irish elves or leprecauns just with no gold. but boy watch out cause if you give them quake they turn into those little devil baztards from gremlins and wreck your ship. this has always been the way before pods and after pods. the pods are just there to protect you from disgruntles party elves that will self distruct your ship so you can fly back to staion and get another ship. before them you just ended up as a frozen corpse drifting through space with the echos of laughing elves ringing in your ear
Ridley Tree Crimson Knights Trade Federation Thundering Mantis	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:52:00 - [20] Whatever the movie might say, the movie is wrong. The Mel Falcon is more akin to a big fighter than to a real frigate. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ffg-12-phlip_1.jpg Thats a frigate folks, give or take 190 man or a bit less crew. This frigate was also designed bottom-up to reduce the number of men needed. Most of comparable size need around 260 or so people. Not very many windows people. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deez Nuttzy	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Ridley Tree Whatever the movie might say, the movie is wrong. The Mel Falcon is more akin to a big fighter than to a real frigate. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ffg-12-phlip_1.jpg Thats a frigate folks, give or take 190 man or a bit less crew. This frigate was also designed bottom-up to reduce the number of men needed. Most of comparable size need around 260 or so people. Not very many windows people. omg when did we get water in space, and do we still use lines to type up our ships in stations, cause that changes the whole perplexity of this question, tractor beams are easy, rope is another, crap the damn elves are chewing through my lines and now I am adrift being pulled into the sun. oh crap, my cokpit is melting, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh pop RIP Deez Nuttzy She was a good little nut, definately went before her time
Dolly Parton Amarr Dark Order Enterprises Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Deez Nuttzy Originally by: Ridley Tree Whatever the movie might say, the movie is wrong. The Mel Falcon is more akin to a big fighter than to a real frigate. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ffg-12-phlip_1.jpg Thats a frigate folks, give or take 190 man or a bit less crew. This frigate was also designed bottom-up to reduce the number of men needed. Most of comparable size need around 260 or so people. Not very many windows people. omg when did we get water in space, and do we still use lines to type up our ships in stations, cause that changes the whole perplexity of this question, tractor beams are easy, rope is another, crap the damn elves are chewing through my lines and now I am adrift being pulled into the sun. oh crap, my cokpit is melting, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh pop RIP Deez Nuttzy She was a good little nut, definately went before her time what a wierd person she was, she'll be missed * Any comments made are mine and mine alone! *
SadisticSavior Caldari Edenists	Posted - 2006.10.19 18:19:00 - [23] Edited by: SadisticSavior on 19/10/2006 18:20:11 Quote: Thats a frigate folks, give or take 190 man or a bit less crew. Even if we accept that standard, it still doesnt explain where exactly you are cramming that 190-man crew in a Condor or a Rifter. Does the pilot have a Bag of Holding from Dungeons and Dragons or something? heh heh And 190 men still isnt "hundreds" plural.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.19 18:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Ridley Tree Whatever the movie might say, the movie is wrong. The Mel Falcon is more akin to a big fighter than to a real frigate. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ffg-12-phlip_1.jpg Thats a frigate folks, give or take 190 man or a bit less crew. This frigate was also designed bottom-up to reduce the number of men needed. Most of comparable size need around 260 or so people. Not very many windows people. We are rather assuming that ships in EVE are at all comparable to similarly named ships in RL. It does take place unsecified thouasands of year in the future, in an isolated galaxy- theres no reason an EVE frigate has to be related to RL frigates. Case and point, in RL a Battleship is a piece of off shore artillery, more than anything else- this would make them analogous to an EVE Dreadnought (indeed, "Dreadnought" was the name of the first modern Battleship class). EVE Battleships are more akin to RL Cruisers in their role and purpose. Suspension of disbelief is a wonderful thing, in sci-fi -----------------------------------------------
Teldar Novastorm	Posted - 2006.10.19 19:35:00 - [25] Actually the Millenium Falcon wasnt even CLOSE to frigate sized. If you want an accurate scale of sizes, the Falcon was docked to a Frigate at the end of "Empire" Nebulon-B Frigate over 300 man skeleton Crew, and around 800 to fully man it. When you consider scout drones are the size of what we would consider to be a single seat fighter, its not hard to imagine a frigate with several hundred crew.
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.19 19:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Nicocat Hmm. If Bships have so many crew members, then people must **** and make babies all day, every day, 24/7. Well, someone is doing, somewhere, at all times. Lots of people, in fact. The EVE galaxy has thousands of habitable planets; from the prime fiction, I get the impression that Empire planets at least are rather crowded, so we have trillions of humans in the setting. From "Ruthless", I gather that lots of planetbound folk live in abject poverty. From that and "Hands of a Killer", it is clear that human life in EVE is worth zilch. So: why people and not robots? Easy: people are cheaper. Yes, thousands die every time you pop a BS, and no, noone gives a damn about it. They signed a contract, after all. All the people that get killed daily by the hundred thousand or so pod captains in existance are hardly a blip on the cluster's demographics, and PCs are too rare and precious to the Empires to blame them for it. This is not a "nice" setting.
Veneth	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:00:00 - [27] Edited by: Veneth on 19/10/2006 20:00:35 actually like the raven pic Zissou posted they used to have frig pics. all the frigs except the larger ones (Punisher, and Probe are the only ones I can rember) had a crew of 1. the big frigs had crews of 3, not very large Frigates
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Patch86 on 19/10/2006 20:13:37 Et voila? And for the record: 1 2 3 -----------------------------------------------
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Teldar Novastorm Actually the Millenium Falcon wasnt even CLOSE to frigate sized. If you want an accurate scale of sizes, the Falcon was docked to a Frigate at the end of "Empire" Nebulon-B Frigate over 300 man skeleton Crew, and around 800 to fully man it. When you consider scout drones are the size of what we would consider to be a single seat fighter, its not hard to imagine a frigate with several hundred crew. THIS is what I've always thought a space-based frigate to be. Medium size with decent firepower. Medical frigates would be like a mobile hospital. As for the frigates in EVE, I always considered them to be...battle-yachts, or slightly larger than the snub fighters in Star Wars.
SadisticSavior Caldari Edenists	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:43:00 - [30] Quote: Et voila? And for the record: 1 2 3 Thank you. The argument is over, heh heh That is pretty much what I expected. It is consistent with what the ships actually look like.

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