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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
10
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:05:21 -
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Noragli wrote:Op is making huge exaggerations to try to convince people to see his way, claiming all systems have a guy with 15-20 mining alts. You would struggle to find ice belts with 20 mining alts. Yes, some ice belts have a guy with around 10 alts, but most ice belts do not even have this.
Op has been offered advice but chooses to ignore such posts. This, plus the huge exaggerations, I wonder if he has a hidden agenda?
i disagree here as a former ice miner every single belt we tried to mine had players with 10-15 alts plus other random players each belt had more than 20-25 players in it was rare for a belt to last more than an hour and thats if you found a good system to mine in... |
Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
10
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:11:39 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:ISO Quorra wrote:Each one of those is one guy each controlling all those....they have no issue openly admitting it. Does it look like he's a bot (simultaneous actions with ship movement, targeting, cycling lasers)? If so, use the in game option to report him as a bot. Like the law, CCP moves slow - but they do move. One ban of all his accounts would likely change the behavior. As far as your assertion that it's this way in all ice belts -- it's just not true. The 70 man mining fleet with positioned defenders was a very impressive thing to see (Genesis/Agal). Does anyone know if he's still operating after the bot action in January? he is still there....in january he dropped to maybe 10 miners with minimal escort but i heard it is rising into the higher end of his numbers again....i have not had chance to look i live on the edge of nowhere now... |
Nors Phlebas Sabelhpsron
The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
96
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:16:07 -
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Quote:One guy even has ganking alts, he logs on with his 10 ganking alts....ganks any orcas or miners, then logs on all his mackinaws and farms all the ice, switches back to ganking all other miners in area and back to farming all the ice, does it every day...I must admit that is pretty genius but still. Unless you hire some kind of ganking / merc alliance/corp there is no counter to this kind of thing.
You gave the answer to the 'problem' in your OP. Hire some merc to wardec / gank the miners. If you don't want to fight for resources in EvE, why should you get them? |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:19:21 -
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Several have posted disagreeing with the op that all ice belts in high sec are as packed as he makes out. As some have said, it's quite common for some ice fields to last for more than 3 hours because often enough there is not more than 10 people in a belt. Yes some areas are worse than this but it's your fault is you choose to mine there, move to an area with less competition.
Or you could kill the competition, or bump it, you claim others already do this. You could just move to a quieter system, but I guess it's too much effort to scout one out. You have the same tools available as everyone else, yet you choose to whine on the forum instead.
Everyone, the OP has an agenda behind posting this, I know who he is. I also know who that group of miners are that he is whining about and I know that he is all upset because he has been accusing them of using isboxer, he was hoping to get them banned because he wanted a specific ice system all to himself. He failed to achieve his goal and gave up trying, shortly after this thread appeared.
I think that your only real goal here is to get mining changed, as a way to take vengeance on that group of miners whom you are all butthurt about. |
Aphsala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:29:02 -
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mining does need changed, an changed in such a way that anyone who afk's does not profit |
Serene Repose
2502
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:50:17 -
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Yes. It was true - Ice Mining could make you billions effortlessly. Now, it is not true. Find another cash cow. Le mooooo.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
916
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:55:44 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:Why don't you just flip their can?
You mean kill the Orca, right?
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
916
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:56:32 -
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Soldarius wrote:Report them all as bots. Let CCP sort them out.
As if reporting bots actually does anything anymore.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
916
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:58:28 -
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Niobe Song wrote:So these people with the 20 account mining fleets....is that all they do ever? Are these accounts at least supplementing their income so they can do something more interesting and fun on their main or is ice mining all they do?
And if it is all they do I have to ask WHY? Why would someone want to do that and nothing else all day?
Bots don't have many feelings.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
916
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Posted - 2015.03.26 13:02:32 -
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OP CCP nerfed HiSec ice in order to force more people into Null. Don't blame the multi-boxer guys, blame CCP for warping the resource allocations.
Once the new Sov gets deployed expect your ice mining services to be in high demand in Null. |
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:04:15 -
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Leave high sec? In certain areas of null you could literally mine ice 23/7 if you wanted to. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
194
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:55:10 -
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This thread should be closed as a duplicate of the following thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=387571
In other words, you have won, you don't have to rub our noses in it. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2243
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:02:15 -
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Shadowness wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Leave high sec. Die in low/null.
That's ridiculous and you know it.
I know it sounds like I am just being like grrrr, leave high sec so I can shooty you because there are no targets anywhere, grrrrr but seriously, the problem fixes itself when you go to null. I dunno about low sec. I don't go there much for things other than lighting cynos on stations but remarkably few of these die.
It's not hard to get in with an established corp somewhere in 0.0 and do your ice mining there. They might even help you, give you people to do it with and protection and what not and all the fancy stuff and then you can mine so much ice that you will stop caring about a dead ship now and again. |
Janeway84
Def Squadron Pride Before Fall
157
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:09:39 -
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The solution is simple , CCP could make it so people have to scan the ice belts with scan probes Or easy solution increase amount of ice x 10 or whatever. But its a sensitive balance between providing ice and crashing the ice market... |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3239
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:40:08 -
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OP, could you tell us what game mechanic change you would like to see? I do not want the result you want to see, but, in detail, the actual change in the game mechanics.
We know you want a change the prevents multiboxed mining fleets scooping up all the mineable stuff. But what is, in fact, that change?
Kiandoshia wrote:Shadowness wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Leave high sec. Die in low/null. That's ridiculous and you know it. I know it sounds like I am just being like grrrr, leave high sec so I can shooty you because there are no targets anywhere, grrrrr but seriously, the problem fixes itself when you go to null. I dunno about low sec. I don't go there much for things other than lighting cynos on stations but remarkably few of these die. It's not hard to get in with an established corp somewhere in 0.0 and do your ice mining there. They might even help you, give you people to do it with and protection and what not and all the fancy stuff and then you can mine so much ice that you will stop caring about a dead ship now and again. I've only tried mining in low, with an established corp, once. The effort lasted 5 minutes. I've had better luck in W.
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Xayder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
334
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:54:50 -
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OP, more accounts means more money for CCP
PERIOD
I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3240
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:59:24 -
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Xayder wrote:OP, more accounts means more money for CCP
PERIOD Now the only question is: Which results in more accounts: Having a few players who multibox, resulting in hordes of solo-minded players leaving, or nefing multi-boxing and keeping all those solo-minded players?
(Note: by multi-box, I am assuming each is controlled manually. No bots or broadcasting.)
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2015.03.26 17:23:54 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:That's ridiculous and you know it.
I know it sounds like I am just being like grrrr, leave high sec so I can shooty you because there are no targets anywhere, grrrrr but seriously, the problem fixes itself when you go to null. I dunno about low sec. I don't go there much for things other than lighting cynos on stations but remarkably few of these die.
It's not hard to get in with an established corp somewhere in 0.0 and do your ice mining there. They might even help you, give you people to do it with and protection and what not and all the fancy stuff and then you can mine so much ice that you will stop caring about a dead ship now and again.
Exactly...I don't mine, but I often go ratting for ISK. Everyone knows to call me if rats show up in the belt and I will pop over to take care of them. Also null intel channels mean anyone not under a POS shield/reshipped to PvP when a baddie/unknown shows up has no one to blame but themselves. |
ISO Quorra
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.03.26 18:25:13 -
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Noragli wrote:Several have posted disagreeing with the op that all ice belts in high sec are as packed as he makes out. As some have said, it's quite common for some ice fields to last for more than 3 hours because often enough there is not more than 10 people in a belt. Yes some areas are worse than this but it's your fault is you choose to mine there, move to an area with less competition.
Or you could kill the competition, or bump it, you claim others already do this. You could just move to a quieter system, but I guess it's too much effort to scout one out. You have the same tools available as everyone else, yet you choose to whine on the forum instead.
Everyone, the OP has an agenda behind posting this, I know who he is. I also know who that group of miners are that he is whining about and I know that he is all upset because he has been accusing them of using isboxer, he was hoping to get them banned because he wanted a specific ice system all to himself. He failed to achieve his goal and gave up trying, shortly after this thread appeared.
I think that your only real goal here is to get mining changed, as a way to take vengeance on that group of miners whom you are all butthurt about.
+1 for effort, made me laugh. You found out my secret plan....I am doomed.
Brutus Utama wrote:Noragli wrote:Op is making huge exaggerations to try to convince people to see his way, claiming all systems have a guy with 15-20 mining alts. You would struggle to find ice belts with 20 mining alts. Yes, some ice belts have a guy with around 10 alts, but most ice belts do not even have this.
Op has been offered advice but chooses to ignore such posts. This, plus the huge exaggerations, I wonder if he has a hidden agenda? i disagree here as a former ice miner every single belt we tried to mine had players with 10-15 alts plus other random players each belt had more than 20-25 players in it was rare for a belt to last more than an hour and thats if you found a good system to mine in... Yes their is some systems which are quieter but they are few and far between....
Pretty much this, even if you move away from the farmers 20+ jumps, you just find more of the same. Found another 3 fleets of solo multi account farmers in everyshore after downtime today. Same in Caldari space, gallente...minmatar...amarr...a few systems are quieter than others but its mostly the same in each ice system, even the systems with 3 belt spawns.., gone in less than an hour...lucky if you get 3 holds worth from one belt before it's gone.
Basically unless you plan on wiping ice belts with 20 account fleet don't even bother training any ice mining skills, complete waste of time. Not worth the effort, too many botters, farmers and ISboxers. |
Alexstrazaas
Perkone Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2015.03.26 18:40:54 -
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Honestly they should make a Mini-game out of mining.
like controlling power lvls and settings, maybe aiming lazer. Something that makes you feel like your mining, could even add a special view for it like planet management
could make it so that afk mining has a 66%(or more) less rate of mining to encourage active mining, of course they need to make it more interesting the same time.
but everyone agrees that mining needs work form the "afk alts/ bot fest" it is now that i know of at least. |
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
407
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Posted - 2015.03.26 19:31:08 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:1 person = 1 account = 1 character = maximum game integrety Stick it in yer butt...
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
277
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Posted - 2015.03.26 19:39:30 -
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Go to Osmon, sometimes there are up to 3 ice anoms at the same time. And those pesky Code guys are running rampant. |
Alexstrazaas
Perkone Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2015.03.26 19:57:50 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Scira Crimson wrote:1 person = 1 account = 1 character = maximum game integrety Stick it in yer butt...
let me guess you got 5 alts mining.... |
Korwin Abre-Kai
lichfield exploration and salvage
10
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Posted - 2015.03.27 00:21:37 -
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Aphsala wrote:mining does need changed, an changed in such a way that anyone who afk's does not profit
the fact is I prefer to be up against an AFK 10 boxer any day of the week as opposed to an ATK fleet running fully optimized cycles the former is harvesting far less ice than the latter period end of story.
quite frankly I just don't get the obsession some EVE players have with what other players may or may not be doing on their side of the client. if some one is AFK it can have NO negative effect on YOUR game play PERIOD in fact as I pointed out it is a boon as an AFK player cannot by definition react to what is going on in the game. I actually find it more than a little bit creepy that some EVE players seem to have this obsessive need to control the behavior of other people in the game , making moral judgments and ethical arguments because some one is using the freaking auto pilot mechanics(WTF?)or because a mining laser can auto cycle. I mean seriously??
how about this as a change to mining. make it totally passive just like PI and moon mining. maybe then we will see these and other tear threads on this subject vanish like a fart in the breeze god knows I have had my fill of the stench from them. |
Charles Muffins
ROC Academy ROC.
16
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Posted - 2015.03.27 01:56:51 -
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Mining is 100% broken. No one should be able to do the work of 20 players solo, and take all the profit for themselves. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
194
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Posted - 2015.03.27 02:03:26 -
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Charles Muffins wrote:Mining is 100% broken. No one should be able to do the work of 20 players solo, and take all the profit for themselves.
Why? |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.03.27 03:34:45 -
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to the OP....
Seriously, get out of High Sec. Not only are the Null belts full of higher value ores of all types, they're largely untouched. The only major difference is that you need to keep an eye on things, especially while operating solo. Watch Local, watch your region's Intel Channels. Notice that there's a roaming gang two jumps away? Time to head to station. Neut enters local, burn for station. Choose your mining system carefully (eg: avoid pipes and try to mine away from border systems) and you should basically almost never be interrupted.
I'll let you in on a dirty little not-so-secret: Most minerals 'mined' in 0.0 are actually acquired from reprocessing Rat loot from anomalies.
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Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2015.03.27 04:22:17 -
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After reading this...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=387571&find=unread
...I wonder. Have you reported the characters in question to CCP for possible input automation or multiplexing?
Quote: Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.
This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to:
GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe GÇóInteraction with other characters
Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:
GÇóEVE Online client settings GÇóWindow positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating systemGÇÖs desktop environment) GÇóThe login process
If the player in question is doing the above, you need to report them.
Pardon me if I'm repeating anything here as I don't have the time to read through 5 pages of posts right now. |
Korwin Abre-Kai
lichfield exploration and salvage
11
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Posted - 2015.03.27 05:51:19 -
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when i logged this evening the local ice belt was up and there were aprox 10 miners in the belt , according to the locals it had spawned at 1810 (2 hrs earlier) at 530 I have the belt to my self with 80 units left......... yeah ice belts are totally over crowded and its just not fair CCP PLZ ban multi boxing cause I cant find any ice |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
202
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Posted - 2015.03.27 06:40:10 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:+1 for one player, one account.
LOLOLOlOLolOLROFLMAOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. This made me lol so hard xD Thank you for being so hilarious. I needed that. |
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