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Olivia Moon
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.02 01:50:08 -
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I wonder, why doesn't people understand the mechanism of economics?
Everything is about supply and demand.
The ice mining changes limits the supply and hence,
the number of ice going into the market is fixed since the change.
It means the price of ice is totally reflected by BUYERS - namely demands.
I understand that you are mad at people mining in a very hardcore way - multiboxing.
It is their play style and you are free to have the same style.
What CCP did, is to stabilise the price of ice by limiting the supply.
Can't you see how great is that?
To the point of multi boxing, the spawn actually impacted multi boxing as well.
You got bunch of accounts doesn't mean you can have easy money.
In terms of easy, it means you need to be conscious to the timing of each spawn.
You miss the spawn, you get less isk.
Without this change, it means whenever you like to mine, you log in and mine.
CCP could also add items that uses ice to manufacture.
Fuel blocks and jump fuels are the main use of ice.
Which means a limited DEMAND.
And eventually, is the only cause to the price fluctuation. |
Boslar
somethingsomethingsomethingdarkside
Together We Solo
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Posted - 2015.04.04 15:36:33 -
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Moar miner tears |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2015.04.04 16:49:08 -
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Man Milk wrote:A couple of suggestions....
1. Join/create a corporation with other players that becomes the fleet that mines out the spawn thus pushing out the competition. You don't have to go BFF style with them, you all want the same thing so fleet up, say a polite hello on comms & then mine away with fleet/Orca boosts running.
Or instead, follow the blobbers' ideal
Just join the fleet that mines out the spawn
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
965
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Posted - 2015.04.04 23:59:33 -
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In case it hasn't already been mentioned: I'd recommend joining a nullsec corp. Christ, we have icebelts everywhere that never even get 10% depleted, let alone wiped out every spawn. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.06 02:29:38 -
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Most MMOs are gambler's dilemma. You keep coming back because of investment.
The game was supposed to be immersive. Not sure how removed clones is immersive, nor how multibox farming is immersive, but w/e.
Yes, Farming has ruined it. We have to admit the economics behind ore: Those who are willing to sell for a lower price will outbid you as a miner. Multiboxing compounds that. Farmers have always ruined game economies, and instead of battening down on it, and tightening restrictions, CCP caved to short term money interests by allowing multiboxing farming and so on. I've seen guys with 20 alts, all named Xxxxx1 through Xxxxx20 and so on, mining out entire belts with their ships. All those paid accounts are great for CCP, the automation (scripting) makes it easy for the player, and ore prices drop causing it to be a worthless profession for newbies...
Which is where mission running comes in.
The easier the game gets, the less worthwhile it is for new blood, which is exactly who they believe they're targeting by making the game easier.
ashley Eoner wrote:Hermanni Pursiainen wrote:Yes exactly, there are more ways to make isk than just mining. Mining however is such an important thing to the entirety of EVE. Someone has to do **** like this in order for everything else to be possible in game.
So why are miners the bottom feeders? They should have the same possibility for greater income just like mission runners, ratters, incursioners etc. Currently its not possible.
All Im saying is mining needs to be worth while. No point arguing any different.
Having a combined mining mission + normal mining setup would mean what 60m/h with it being half mining product income and half mission income. Mining product income again is dependent on the market so it is subject to change. Because miners only engage in bottom feeding. Mining is the absolute bottom of the industry food chain. If you want to make more isk mining than invest a little time into producing a more refined product. Mission runners make awful isk per hour if they stick to doing level 1 missions. They have to upgrade their capabilities and invest time/isk into getting to the real isk making levels. So stop sticking to the level 1 aspect of industry.... They already have combined missions with mining in several security missions. Most people ignore the roids because they don't want to be bothered with spending time/effort. So there's going to need to be more than just put regular ore in the mining mission sites... Incursion runners make a wild variety of isk per hour depending on contests/population/fellow fleet members/FCs/etc. I've been in HQ fleets where people shuffling in and out and some bad scouting caused us to only do about 70m an hour for a while. I've been in fleets where only +4b isk ships were allowed and still only done 100m an hour. On the flip side you can occasionally +150m an hour for well about an hour. Maintaining +120m an hour for long periods of time is difficult. Every little second of wasted time adds up quickly when engaged in an activity over a length of time.
This is true to the extent that upgrades are necessary to grow for runners or miners. Its not true to the extent that mining is limited. Its difficult to spawn your own personal mining belt by going to an agent.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2015.04.06 02:35:33 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:All those paid accounts are great for CCP, the automation (scripting) makes it easy for the player, and ore prices drop causing it to be a worthless profession for newbies...
Automation?
Did you make sure to petition them, that isn't allowed...
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2015.04.06 03:40:56 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:
This is true to the extent that upgrades are necessary to grow for runners or miners. Its not true to the extent that mining is limited. Its difficult to spawn your own personal mining belt by going to an agent.
If by difficult you mean bothersome to talk to an agent more than once.
What you described for a multiboxer is illegal and bannable. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.06 06:31:50 -
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Im not sure when that changed, but allowing cloned keystrokes to multiple boxes has been something CCP has allowed before.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2015.04.06 07:52:47 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38757113kr1d1 wrote:Im not sure when that changed, but allowing cloned keystrokes to multiple boxes has been something CCP has allowed before.
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Spinzel
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.06 08:33:14 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Im not sure when that changed, but allowing cloned keystrokes to multiple boxes has been something CCP has allowed before.
The days you spoke off are over, I haven't seen any such xxx1 xxx2 names in a long time. The kind of players who did that (input broadcasters) had their playstyle banned. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2414
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Posted - 2015.04.06 13:22:35 -
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Too many people jumping on top of limited resources.
Problem: the stuff is too valuable
Solution: seed more until nobody can mine it all
What will happen: value will plummet
I support the above action and feel all highsec resources should be extremely abundant.
A Caldari is just a Gallente who begged to have their civil liberties taken away.
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Dave Stark
7469
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Posted - 2015.04.06 13:32:53 -
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refreshing, another "i should be able to do the same thing as an organised and efficient group" thread.
make your own friends, and outmine the competition. if you can't make friends, i'm sure you can persuade some one to deliver some CNAM to your competition at a knock down rate.
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Too many people jumping on top of limited resources.
Problem: the stuff is too valuable
Solution: seed more until nobody can mine it all
What will happen: value will plummet
I support the above action and feel all highsec resources should be extremely abundant.
so, you mean the exact system we had before the anomaly change? |
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