Also, the reason you two can't agree on a damn thing is because Huang is tryin to make the greater point, and Tippia is busy back at square one trying to argue little technicalities cause he can't stand losing an argument.

No, the reason we can't agree is because I'm trying to answer the OP's question and MotherMoon isn't: I'm explaining why people are bitching about Incarna; he's discussing completely different.

Q: Why do people ***** about incarna?
Me: Because it came at a high opportunity cost in terms of FiS features.
Him: No! People ***** about the lacklustre FiS we got.

So not only doesn't he address the question; he GÇ£refutesGÇ¥ the answer by completely changing the topic (and in doing so provides further examples of the answer he supposedly refutes).

LALALALALALA no ones I'm not listening to you

go argue with a wall.

the bitching may be about opportunity cost or whatever the hell else you wanna call it, but ccp has done this crap from the dawn of time and people are just in denial about it.

I think I'll just blame WoD for all of it. Much easier that way, and I don't care for the concept anyway.

OMG a vice of reason!

F tippa she's too new school, she has forgetting that eve as been doing the same **** for years, dispite how many devs they have on projects. Which by the way during incarna was the 2nd highest it had ever been! even after you counted the eve devs taken to WiS.

a team of eve making WoD. The team was made by bring on more people. Thus not taking away from Fis features.

Put aside to focus on WiS. You know, one of the opportunities that weren't afforded due to the cost of making Incarna.

You're still quite incorrect about that one, by the way. Teams were indeed put to work on WiS instead of FiS.

I resent and hate WIS because it meant the space ship and industry part of the game atrophied.

If you read what I was saying you would know that what you've said, while true. has nothing to do with it

It would be nice if people could stop whining about NeX being a poorly implemented "micro-transaction" store. It is a virtual luxury goods store, just like Gucci or Versace. Continuing to misunderstand CCP's stance on the matter is only showing your own ignorance.

RiiiightGǪ

People being moved off FiS teams to work on WiS has nothing to do with the complaint that people are being moved off FiS to work on WiS instead, thus incurring an opportunity cost in terms of FiS features. Yes, that's logicalGǪ

But sure, that's fine by me: pretty much every time you post something, you provide more and more examples to corroborate my claim.

First off you do know this is a computer game right and virtual goods only remain in existance whilst the servers are open unlike real world goods. What's a 20 yr old Gucci or Versace original worth these days, I'm guessing more than the virtual goods from the shut down game are. Second it seems you've never heard of marketing hype to justify a companies pricing decisions.

CCP do not see the NeX store as anything but an additional revenue raiser, one that they had thought would have a wider appeal than it did after seeing some of their presentations on the subject.

Also do you really believe that after years of telling the playerbase that clothing would be player produced that CCP thought it would be better for the players to instead sell them as overpriced cash shop items, whilst at the same time removing any additional gamplay features they could have provided.

First off, do you realise that you can buy all of these virtual items with virtual money? You don't need to invest dollars for the sake of buying stuff from the Noble Exchange. Try buying a handbag from Gucci using monopoly money.

And before you resort to the obvious argument of "someone paid money for that PLEX", that person has already received their value return for the PLEX by selling it in game for ISK, which is how the obscenely space-rich person obtained the PLEX in the first place.

If you spend real money on PLEX in order to buy stuff from the Noble Exchange, well, I have a bridge in Sydney going cheap.

I have seen a substantial number of people wearing monocles. The NeX is getting much more custom than I had originally expected. Of course we don't have figures from CCP about the success of the NeX, so we'll just have to argue based on the number of monocle-wearers we see in local chat. Based on evidence in the game, my conclusion is that the NeX has been quite successful.

Just because you haven't bought stuff from the NeX doesn't mean it's been unsuccessful. The fact that you are complaining that the NeX is too exclusive means mission accomplished on CCP's part: half the point of luxury items is to upset the poor sods who will never see enough money to buy items from that shop.

I agree that it would be better for the NeX to be an LP store selling blueprints/schematics for various destructible items, rather than directly selling indestructible items. This is scope for future remedies on CCP's part, and I would love to see a combination of space- and planet-side manufacturing required to produce these items.

Whether the clothes are player-made or provided complete through the store doesn't change the fact that it is a luxury goods store, not a discount factory outlet.

Start year: 100 eve devs all working on FiS
2nd year: 200 eve devs 150 working in FiS , 50 working on WiS
3rd year: 200 devs working on eve, 50 people are pulled from the FiS teams to work on WiS

100 devs working on FiS
100 devs working on WiS, with 50 of those member stolen from FiS development.

As you can see the number of devs working on ever never changed.


Then when CCP goes back to old focus. It goes like this.

lose 100 devs, left with 100 devs all working on FiS

OH LOOK! after firing so many devs, they didn't actully hire anyone new to work on FiS. So they have the same number of devs before as they do now, becuase of the massive lay offs.

Incarna is not really 'over' yet. Incarna could still very well have been the nail in the coffin for EVE. I rarely see more than 35k online when it used to regularly be 40-50K pre Incarna, only time will tell if CCP can bounce back from it.

Carbon, which was only needed for WiS, so it was technically not FiS development.

You have no idea what Carbon really is do you?

actually this is the only thread bitching about incarna on the front page


so the question to you is, why are you dredging this **** up?

and my number were not "made up" They were estimations

As you can see the number of devs working on ever never changed.

There are no more devs working on FiS for this expansion than there was in the past 2 years. The only time ins't wasn't truw is the 6 months leading up to the incarna expansion.

PURE INVENTION

It's like your saying if capcom is making megaman 11, and then hires 20 more people to make a street fighter game. it's ok to complain that those 20 people COULD be making the megaman better thus the megaman title is being neglected.

But it's not, it's ok for a company to hiree MORE people to work on other prjects. As long as they don't decrease the number of people hired to work on the other games.

and yes I know the dev blog, but that was only for a 6 month period

you're saying FiS has been bad due to the past 3 years of WiS work

Finally.
Except for one thing: they didn't just hire more people GÇö they also diverted resources away from FiS to work on WiS.
Doesn't matter. It's what started (or perhaps more accurately reinforced) the :18 months: feeling, which then worked as a solid foundation for the bitching about WiS.
No.

Finally.