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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:46:00 -
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thats a nice trea Av.
GL on anyone tyring to make a free for all free space area, give it 1 month till every pirate corp/alliance has a spy with the comuication system for the players there, and let the carebear farming beggin. #unless# there are just and worthy defenders! who use there seperate ts ect, well from what remember when 9cg ect was free for all, it was a nightmare... good for traning though......
(fetches axe) chipperty chopperty
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:50:00 -
[32]
free space is only possible if the force making it free is very good at PVP and can uphold the law.
d solo.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:55:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: darth solo
free space is only possible if the force making it free is very good at PVP and can uphold the law.
d solo.
But if there is such a thing as "law" determined by the strongest local force, then there is no free space is there ?
I mean, we could call <insert alliance X> -space freespace too then, they just have got a more intricate system of "laws" that decide who is welcome and who not.
Freespace is space that for some reason does not need enforcement of regulations about who does what. It is space where facilities are provided without questions asked or limits imposed.
In short: it's not going to happen.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:56:00 -
[34]
Originally by: darth solo
free space is only possible if the force making it free is very good at PVP and can uphold the law.
d solo.
indeed... Police Constable Solo perhaps you could entertain us with some anecdotes from Free Fountain, how is the neighbourhood watch scheme coming along?
.. additionally I was considering a visit to the Fountain Area.. is there a CRIMESTOPPER hotline I can phone in case I run into some yocals.
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:59:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Avernus
- Can it still be done?
- Should it be done for profit, or for ideals?
- Is it right to do it for profit?
and...
- What would be required for Free Space to succeed these days?
- Who is in the position to make it happen?
- Where would it be most likely to succeed?
- Do independants deserve Free Space if it can be done?
- I think it can be done at any point. In fact as pointed out already there seem to be some movement on the freespace front lately.
- I would say that profit and ideals go hand in hand. Free trade brings profit, and is a pretty high ideal on its own.
- Free space can not exist just for profit, otherwise it becomes the mining biatches space.
and...
- This is a key question here. I think that free space can only exist when its residents don't consist of two types, such as mining carebears and security forces. Otherwise the stronger side will dominate the weaker sooner or later. The relationships in free space have to be based on mutual respect between independant and capable pilots (even if they are in corporations) and understanding that there is no real point to "claim" space since its only an illusion.
- I think we are all in a position to make it happen. Free space is not something some entity can just announce creation of.
- NPC regions at first, then possibly others if it gets to the point where the benefits of free space become clear to the majority of EVE population.
- Anyone deserves Free Space as long as they are capable (1st point of 2nd set of answers). The problem with people who just want to mine is they don't really want free space, just the money; and as I said before, they will be dominated because they allow it to happen.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:25:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: darth solo
free space is only possible if the force making it free is very good at PVP and can uphold the law.
d solo.
indeed... Police Constable Solo perhaps you could entertain us with some anecdotes from Free Fountain, how is the neighbourhood watch scheme coming along?
.. additionally I was considering a visit to the Fountain Area.. is there a CRIMESTOPPER hotline I can phone in case I run into some yocals.
its going very good, and has been alot of fun for us which reflects on corp numbers which can be 40+. its nice having a goal.. its actually one of the most rewarding things iv done in EVE and going by everyones mails, EVE loves it too .
id still like to see alot more ppl here though, but the guys that have came and left have done so with full wallets. it only takes one cormack and ur made for years... Fountain is tasty.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
its going very good, and has been alot of fun for us which reflects on corp numbers which can be 40+. its nice having a goal.. its actually one of the most rewarding things iv done in EVE and going by everyones mails, EVE loves it too.
id still like to see alot more ppl here though, but the guys that have came and left have done so with full wallets. it only takes one cormack and ur made for years... Fountain is tasty.
d solo.
Splendid... It seems your men are making substantial progress.... it is certainly a most worthwhile goal to uphold Free Space in lawless Fountain, particularly when confronted by ruthless criminal gangs, namely Xelas and Roberts.
Perhaps, once your work is done in Fountain you can move to assist FIX and Avernus to continue your work in Querious, your experience in Fountain will prove invaluable.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:16:00 -
[38]
The sovereignty of a Free Captain begins and ends at the hull of his ship.
Freespace is that point in space and time where a Free Captain flies his ship.
To put it another way, the concept of a freespace 'zone', enforced by a freespace 'navy' is one that is not only inherently contradictory but which contains the seeds of its own destruction if it is put into practice.
Freespace is the practice of a community of pilots. It's not an arbitrary region of 0.0 space fenced off and declared 'free' by virtue of the guns of a warrior caste so that the merchant and peon castes can go about their business with the complacency of the empire capsuleer.
If you fly where you will, trade with who you please and exploit common resources as you see fit, then you fly free.
If you fly with whomsoever you wish, do not allow others to dictate standings and maintain for yourself the absolute right to use force as you see fit, then you fly free.
Let no-one tell you where you can and cannot fly.
Let no-one tell you who you may or may not trade with.
Let no-one tell you which resources you may or may not exploit.
Let no-one tell you who you can and cannot shoot.
Most of all, let no-one tell you who your friends may be and who your enemies must be.
Then you fly in freespace.
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction |
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.10.23 13:03:00 -
[39]
I'm posting in a Jericho thread...oh wait.
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Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.23 13:18:00 -
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/me should have known better then to loan Avernus his T2 bong....
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Selpy
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Doppleganger
/me should have known better then to loan Avernus his T2 bong....
[Selpy shakes his head]
All those year's of Fly off your wing dopple, and you held back something like a T2 bong!
fershame holding out on another toker, Fine, I shall take my Jack Herrier stash and find someone else to share it with :P
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SwindonBadger
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Posted - 2006.10.23 16:47:00 -
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nice poast av, so close
number 9 number 9 number 9 number 9
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Jaydom
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.23 18:34:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Nez Perces
ofc.. they had the advantage of operating out of npc stations.. until they put up their outpost that is...
It is really no surprise that CVA are free space idealists (one has to wonder, where their heart truly lies.. Amarr RP or free space)..... Imperial Dreams is at their core.. and they were in the good ol' (yes you guessed it) CFS.
Well, it is difficult for a 250 man alliance to put up a plethora of outpost. ;)
Imperial Dreams was proud to fight for CFS and what it stood for, and it is funny that the FIX traitor brings up this topic when FIX helped in CFS's demise, but I digress.
But yes to CVA, free space is part of our "role-play" and we do it off of ideals. Not for profit. Expanding the Amarr empire, providing a buffer to the lawless reaches of 0.0 is how we play it. Works out for everyone, its nice that the trend has spread to the other smaller alliances in EVE.
On a grand scale though, free-space is too difficult to keep organized. Its a pain in the ass as it is with our small sliver of space, I can't imagine if a large alliance in population or geography to do it. Too much to deal with, not practical, not worth it :P
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jaydom
Imperial Dreams was proud to fight for CFS and what it stood for, and it is funny that the FIX traitor brings up this topic when FIX helped in CFS's demise, but I digress.
.. funny doesn't even begin to cover it.. its both sickening and hypocritical..  .. it would be like if BoB started issuing hunting passes in Fountain...
Originally by: Jaydom
.....
On a grand scale though, free-space is too difficult to keep organized.
yup and anybody with any sense knows it....
so yeah FFS !! with this thread.
Free Fix Space !!!
or is that .. Free Fountain Space.. 
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.23 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jaydom
Imperial Dreams was proud to fight for CFS and what it stood for, and it is funny that the FIX traitor brings up this topic when FIX helped in CFS's demise, but I digress.
In all honesty, it's incredibly hard to betray an organization that continiously insisted upon shooting themselves in their feet. CFS failed as a government of it's regions, as diplomats, as leaders of their own members, and as protectors of their space and ideals.
It was in the end, a complete and utter failure, repeating past mistakes with unerring accuracy that boggled the mind, despite the frantic attempts of those on the outside to try to give advice, and direction; bolstering the CFS far more than it deserved.
The CFS would have fallen apart 6 months earlier than it did without the outside support of the independant corporations in Querious. Several of us had the highest levels of access in CFS forums in order to communicate with your leaders, and give advice on matters which never seemed to be followed despite the asking.
CFS leadership and members alike took on CA propaganda like it was being spoonfed to them, hook, line, and sinker. You ended up doing exactly what they were egging you on for in these forums, and in the public forum areas of the CFS forums. It was pathetic... it was criminal neglect.
So the QDF, soon to become FIX made it's choice when the blunders of the CFS became far to great to ignore as their dealings with CA brought future threats to our doorsteps through CFS leadership's ignorance. We inhabited the space, we protected the space, we followed the rules, and upheld he principles for the CFS; because the CFS couldn't and wouldn't do it for themselves.
So the CFS died, and because you convinced StA and DSMA to follow under your guidance, they died as well.
The result: FIX. An alliance that held its own space for the better part of two years, longer than any other alliance in Eve history has managed to accomplish. All without NPC stations which were originally so favored by 0.0 alliances. We're one of the oldest alliances still in existance today, I believe perhaps only the Reds are older; the second oldest IGA by the margin of a day; only 3FA remains ahead of us, and of the first 10 IGA's only 4 (including FIX) are still alive.
So yes, we did kill the CFS, and it was the right choice to make. Not because we were against the concept of Free Space however, but because the CFS needed to die for Querious to live.
That has provided us with more than our fair share of enemies over the course of time as ex-CFS pilots move into other alliances... we deserve it. You make your decisions, and you live with the consequences.
Make no mistake; I'm not against free space nor the concept of it, never have been. The circumstances by which I live in space are not black and white answers shaped by a standard cookie cutter.
This isn't a discussion about FIX, nor about myself. Don't allow the title of the thread to mislead you, that is there for unapparent purposes. The discussion is about Free Space... and that's an ideology.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus
This isn't a discussion about FIX, nor about myself. Don't allow the title of the thread to mislead you, that is there for unapparent purposes. The discussion is about Free Space... and that's an ideology.
oh so infact your choice of title was purposefully misleading... how very cunning of you.....
.. seeing as you are one of two official spokesmen for FIX, you should really have made it very clear in the OP that this was a completely hypothetical discussion... as it would have to be, seeing as FIX doesn't actually own any space to open up to the public.
Anyways... lets get back on topic...
Free Space is a morally bankrupt concept.
... thats my statement on the subject.. I'll be happy to verbally spar with anybody who thinks otherwise.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus
My principals have never changed, and never will, because I don't drop my standards if they may become problematic for others. In short, you are sickened by what you have failed to become yourself... a person that acts upon their beliefs, and not just someone who follows a line of popular thought.
err.. what .. care to explain yourself...
.... "I am sickened by what I have failed to become?... and didnt act on my beliefs? .. and I follow a popular line of though?"
huh... wtf?
put the bong down.... or explain what the hell you are talking about...
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Dortock
The Scarlet Harmonic
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:10:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Nez Perces
.. seeing as you are one of two official spokesmen for FIX, you should really have made it very clear in the OP that this was a completely hypothetical discussion... as it would have to be, seeing as FIX doesn't actually own any space to open up to the public.
py to verbally spar with anybody who thinks otherwise.
Ouch. That hurts and yet it's true. As for the comment regarding Nez that you made Avernus, if you even had a clue about Nez and what he posts on these forums, you wouldn't have written that. You claim that it is Nez following the popular trend, yet it is your alliance that followed in Xelas' footsteps as BoB's habitants.
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dortock
Originally by: Nez Perces
.. seeing as you are one of two official spokesmen for FIX, you should really have made it very clear in the OP that this was a completely hypothetical discussion... as it would have to be, seeing as FIX doesn't actually own any space to open up to the public.
py to verbally spar with anybody who thinks otherwise.
Ouch. That hurts and yet it's true. As for the comment regarding Nez that you made Avernus, if you even had a clue about Nez and what he posts on these forums, you wouldn't have written that. You claim that it is Nez following the popular trend, yet it is your alliance that followed in Xelas' footsteps as BoB's habitants.
As a person who has spent hundreds of hours in communication with Nez, both of us within the capacity of JCoS within FIX, and have argued over an astounding multitude of topics ad nauseum over the course of a year during that period.... I know very well what I write.
You're short on information valid to this particular arguement.
For Nez;
Stop dodging. The relevant comment from yourself that I worked from is quoted immediately above what I wrote. You called me hypocritical, I argued that for me to be anything other than what I am would in fact be true hypocricy. You stated you were sickened by my statements.... that's because understanding my statements is apparently beyond your grasp.
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:21:00 -
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I should also answer the charge that I wasn't being clear in the purposes of my post here.
From the very beginning of the topic starter:
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Yeah, I know this isn't the usual announcement or political diatribe we're so fond of in this forum area; I figured today I'd do something a little different and see where it goes.
I figure it's time to take the communities temperature on the topic of Free Space, and their thoughts on it.
Just for you Nez, I'll add some big blinky lights and warning signs that I'm not actually discussing FIX policy in the forum in future topics.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:29:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 23/10/2006 20:30:21
Originally by: Avernus
For Nez;
Stop dodging. The relevant comment from yourself that I worked from is quoted immediately above what I wrote. You called me hypocritical, I argued that for me to be anything other than what I am would in fact be true hypocricy. You stated you were sickened by my statements.... that's because understanding my statements is apparently beyond your grasp.
I think to understand your statements and your drivel so far.. I would have to be smoking the same stuff you are.... It must be damn good... ya know what I'm sayin'....  .. hook a brother up .. you know.
I called you a hypocrite, that was very clear.. and I call you that because you were a JCOS with me whilst we step by step eliminated any vestiges of free space from within FIX's infrastructure. Why? because Free space doesn't work... you are a hypocrite because any changes that happened in FIX were approved by the infamous FIX council, and that included your corporation and you are the CEO.
Yet you come here onto the EVE-online forums asking for opinions of free space, brandishing the FIX name.. whilst FIX doesnt even have any space of its own.
I don't even know what to call that...
So lets go back to what you are calling me.. be a man and say it in plain english... but maybe you might want to blow the smoke out of your face first.
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:43:00 -
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What may come as a slight surprise to you Nez, is despite our having worked together as much as we did... I never on any occasion let you get a look in the thinking behind those thoughts I do share. There is reason for it, but it doesn't have place in this discussion.
You may perhaps recall, when FIX came into existance and I wrote the draft and within it happened to be the following:
Quote:
Travel is allowed, NPC hunting is allowed. Mining is restricted, Starbases are restricted. NPC corp members in shuttles and tech 1 frigates are auto KOS (it's cheap to reimburse them if we got trigger happy. An NPC corp member in a cruiser or battleship is obviously something more, and needs to be dealt with as an individual. I'm very wary of NPC corp member haulers coming through and they must be scrutinized thoroughly. All NPC corp people are ROS unless they are otherwise approved to be here.
Freaky how I still have original documents like that huh?
I knew the corps wouldn't go for others mining in our space, so I didn't ever push that. As you know, several revisions were made to the original charter, but the above more than shows my personal thoughts at the time... it was completely written without outside interferance or others thoughts.
Looking back now.... unworkable these days, but 2 years ago it was a different story if that database tool I had in the planning came into being.
Here is a simple insight into how I think that you've never seemed to be able to figure out despite my even telling you.
1. Alliance comes first... that by extension also means the region of Querious.
2. My corporation comes second. What sacrifices need to be made, will be made.
3. My personal desires come third. I have responsibilities to my corporation, and to my alliance.
Savy?
/passes the bong... it may open your mind a bit man???
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:59:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 23/10/2006 21:00:41
Originally by: Avernus
What may come as a slight surprise to you Nez, is despite our having worked together as much as we did... I never on any occasion let you get a look in the thinking behind those thoughts I do share. There is reason for it, but it doesn't have place in this discussion.
I have no interest whatsoever in knowing what happens inside your head.... I don't think anybody else does either...
Originally by: Avernus
You may perhaps recall, when FIX came into existance and I wrote the draft and within it happened to be the following:
.. nobody asked you to write anything... your draft was worth less than the bandwidth it occupied...
Originally by: Avernus
I knew the corps wouldn't go for others mining in our space, so I didn't ever push that. As you know, several revisions were made to the original charter, but the above more than shows my personal thoughts at the time... it was completely written without outside interferance or others thoughts.
I can tell, its completely unworkable... FIX got rid of any vestiges of Free Space ASAP and you know what you can do with your unrequested draft don't you...
Originally by: Avernus
Looking back now.... unworkable these days, but 2 years ago it was a different story if that database tool I had in the planning came into being.
you and your silly databases, who gives a monkey's crutch.... Avernus you didnt run FIX I did, I did all the legwork. So your thoughts on what would work or wouldn't work are irrelevant.
Quote:
1. Alliance comes first... that by extension also means the region of Querious.
2. My corporation comes second. What sacrifices need to be made, will be made.
3. My personal desires come third. I have responsibilities to my corporation, and to my alliance.
Well at least this admission.. so you are basically saying that on an alliance level free space doesnt work, on a corporation level it doesnt work... and you sacrificed your ideals for the good of FIX.
Well have a gold star you deserve it.
And I'm not sharing bongs with you I might catch something funny.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:00:00 -
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Call it trolling perhaps but...would BoB let you do it?
Obviously someone has to be there to kill alliances who plan to move in.
Leaving your space open to be scouted means youre at an existing disavantage.
Build a PVP force and structure big enough to make that advantage negligeable, and Ill consider it. Anything else and it will be considered Free Space[for the taking] as opposed to Free Space[for all]
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Selpy
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:19:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Droewa
.....  so.. who won?
I didn't :( 1 too high
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:21:00 -
[56]
Oh... gloves off time huh Nez?
Considering that your response was rather venemous to what was a rather polite reply... I figure you're on the starting edges of c.racking again. (We have a history of this Nez... )
But let us continue. I'll skip over the stuff that is purely insult, and stick to the beef of the matter... helps keep us on track.
Quote:
Originally by: Avernus
You may perhaps recall, when FIX came into existance and I wrote the draft and within it happened to be the following:
.. nobody asked you to write anything... your draft was worth less than the bandwidth it occupied...
Oddly, that document became the base for the charter that was adopted by FIX. I'll spare you massive embarrassment Nez, but the parts that were fully adopted without change include:
- Government ,including details of all positions.
- Membership requirements
- Station management (orginally called for the Querious Holding Company... got changed to the FIX Holding Company, but not before the QHF had already been created)
- The exact parameters of what space we would hold, and why the exclusion of a claim upon the A2 pipe was needed.
Quote:
Originally by: Avernus
I knew the corps wouldn't go for others mining in our space, so I didn't ever push that. As you know, several revisions were made to the original charter, but the above more than shows my personal thoughts at the time... it was completely written without outside interferance or others thoughts.
I can tell, its completely unworkable... FIX got rid of any vestiges of Free Space ASAP... stuff
Indeed. But I was being accused of being a hypocrite... kinda hard for me to be a hypocrite when I've just proven that my desire was for a limited model of Free Space.
Quote:
Originally by: Avernus
Looking back now.... unworkable these days, but 2 years ago it was a different story if that database tool I had in the planning came into being.
you and your silly databases, who gives a monkey's crutch.... Avernus you didnt run FIX I did, I did all the legwork. So your thoughts on what would work or wouldn't work are irrelevant.
You did a lot of FIX Nez... I'll be the first guy to say it. You handled all the micromanagement bull**** that I personally hate dealing with. Congrats and hats off to you. But we both know that when it came to the direction of FIX in the early days (preceeding my getting utterly fed up with your constant whining and manipulation and dropping the JCoS position due to your absolute malice)... I called the shots and set the direction. You just did the monkey work. Thx.
Quote:
Well at least this admission.. so you are basically saying that on an alliance level free space doesnt work, on a corporation level it doesnt work... and you sacrificed your ideals for the good of FIX.
Nez... it's called making the tough calls, the sort of thing you used to come running to me for, before the taste of power became too sweet and you couldn't get enough of it.
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:25:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Synapse Archae
Call it trolling perhaps but...would BoB let you do it?
Obviously someone has to be there to kill alliances who plan to move in.
Leaving your space open to be scouted means youre at an existing disavantage.
Build a PVP force and structure big enough to make that advantage negligeable, and Ill consider it. Anything else and it will be considered Free Space[for the taking] as opposed to Free Space[for all]
Heya Synapse!
Very long time no see. FIX has no plans at all for Free Space, for us (even if we still owned Querious), it's completely unfeasibly in our current political landscape.
Definately not trolling.
I honestly don't see BoB having any problem with it, we already have examples of free space like IAC and CVA who can attest to non-interference. Doing something on a larger scale in 0.0 space has a whole host of challenges though.
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Drantis
J.H.E.N.R
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Drantis on 23/10/2006 21:27:18
i think Nez and Ave should get married cos they argue just like i do with my wife .... minus the thrown plates and not on the same BIG WORD scale.
in short...who cares - get a room. 
PS Free space will never work - good luck to those who try
PPS forget the top bit - can u imagine what their kids will come out like.....ewwwwww
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Avernus
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:31:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Drantis
Edited by: Drantis on 23/10/2006 21:27:18
i think Nez and Ave should get married cos they argue just like i do with my wife .... minus the thrown plates and not on the same BIG WORD scale.
in short...who cares - get a room.
PS Free space will never work - good luck to those who try
PPS forget the top bit - can u imagine what their kids will come out like.....ewwwwww
Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback. |
Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:33:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 23/10/2006 21:36:32
Originally by: Avernus
Nez... it's called making the tough calls, the sort of thing you used to come running to me for, before the taste of power became too sweet and you couldn't get enough of it.
just put the bong down Avernus.. you are embarassing yousrelf... seriously.
The truth is FIX was successful despite you and your liberal bullc-r-a-p.. not because of it.
At its finest hour, FIX was a fully NBSI alliance with a finetuned miliary chain of command, that commanded respect across EVE from its peers.
None of that was down to anything you did, but down to meticulous running of an alliance... at a time when you were mostly out of game. Wraithstorm and PhasmaNL were the other two workaholic JCoS in FIX and they did more than you ever accomplished.
I left FIX once, out of my own choice, when the FIX Council demonstrated for the upteenth time that it was a useless legislative entity.
I then returned to FIX for a second time and got myself re-elected as a JCOS.. and you were STILL out of the game. The second time I left FIX was due to RL having caught up with me.
When I came back to the game, FIX had lost most of its PVP corps, gotten itself into a war it could not win and lost all its stations.
And you making this thread about free space... will give anybody who has any sense a good idea as to why things went pete tong.
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