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Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Angela Toren on 23/10/2006 14:36:54 That's right, here's one example of Isk on tap.. Originally by: pludder Edited by: pludder on 17/10/2006 11:05:27 CAUTION: New Price due to extreme demmand! Hi I have a 90-day Gametimecard for sale. 400.000.000,00ISK (new price, in game money) Reply here or convo "pludder" ingame. (or join channel "pludder") GTC's i'we sold 'till now: 56 x 90 Days 12 x 30 Days Cheers -pludder __________ One single player has sold: 56 x 90 Days gamecards ($2240 approx) 12 x 30 Days gamecards ($180 approx) What we have here is someone thats spent over $2,000 dollars buying gamecards and making 200 BILLION isk ingame. To me that doesn't sound like someone playing the game, that sounds like someone running a business, and im truely sorry if you don't see that. That's more money than any one player would ever need in EVE Online, so where is it going? Why do they keep selling them if the isk is only for personal use? Are any GMs investigating these so called big-time gamecard sellers to ensure that they are not laundering isk into rl cash thus breaking eula? More worryingly, is game wealth aquired via RL cash not something which should be limited? After all, winning t2 bpos is limited to a specific pool and number of prints, buying isk with cash through gamecards is unlimited if you have deep pockets. I know CCP are turning a blind eye because more people are staying due to them being able to pay for their sub with ingame currency, but to what extent will this be allowed to be continue unchecked? Is this not the proverbial 'Win' button in a blatently obvious guise? If you happen to have lots of RL cash you can buy your way to the most powerful ships and gear in EVE via gamecards sales, hell you could even buy ships for all your friends and fund your corp and alliance wars until you tilt the balance of alliance warfare and make it totally pointless to play eve. I was always under the assumption that success and status in eve came from being a skillful player, a hardworking player (and in the case of t2 bpos, a very lucky player) but i'm just at a loss at how gamecard sellers can be allowed to buy their way through EVE with no regulation. Is anyone else thinking about the negative long-term effects this will have on the game?
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:42:00 - [2] I wouldnt do that myself cause it takes away any challenge a game should have...however, how exactly does this lower the fun you have in EVE? Is this guy destroying your trade-item's market, is he financing a merc-corp wardeccing you, or why do you care? Concerning the "most powerful ships/tools" someone can buy with this money, he can only fly one ship at a time, so even better if he keeps coming back with expensive loot. Seriously, having Isk \|= status, skill, or reputation, and that is what is more important in eve. Siganture removed due to profanity - Serathu ([email protected])
Nir	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:44:00 - [3] Read http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=415537 you're probably looking at the alliance retailer - I doubt he spend 2k USD by himself. Even if he did, its his money.. what may be a lot of money to spend to some is small change to others. There is something deeply wrong with GTC sales yes, but don't blame people for setting up cartels or flooding the market with them. Thats only natural and CCP should have seen it coming.
infraX Caldari Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:46:00 - [4] GTC sales are very bad. Look at what the average player can make ISK wise in a day of playing the game. Now look at how much money you can earn in a day at work. Now look how long a GTC you can buy and now look at how much it sells for in game. I might not be able to make hundreds of millions of isk in one day of playing, but if I spent a day working an extra Saturday or something and then spent that rl cash on GTC's and then sold them for isk, I'd have a truckload more isk than if I actually played the game for a day. Something is very wrong here CCP. Signautre removed - not suitable for a teen audience - Serathu ([email protected])
chingon Caldari Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:49:00 - [5] 200 billion? For 2k$? Guess you miscalculated it's 'only' 20bil ish Still if he did buy those cards with his own rl money,well it's his money but i wouldn't invest couple thousand dollars for a game I have made billions myself with not even one cent spend with rl money... Ö Sig By Liu Mang
Donna Divine Gilded Goose Brokerage	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Donna Divine on 23/10/2006 14:52:57 Edited by: Donna Divine on 23/10/2006 14:51:47 nm 20b isn't that much. To get to the top of the game purely by spending rl cash you'd have to be a milionaire and have pletny of friends with alot of time to use all the accounts you buy them. Other then that all you can aspire to is losing real cash every time you die instead of fake cash. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gilded Goose Brokerages Trading to order.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Chewan Mesa I wouldnt do that myself cause it takes away any challenge a game should have...however, how exactly does this lower the fun you have in EVE? Is this guy destroying your trade-item's market, is he financing a merc-corp wardeccing you, or why do you care? Concerning the "most powerful ships/tools" someone can buy with this money, he can only fly one ship at a time, so even better if he keeps coming back with expensive loot. Seriously, having Isk \|= status, skill, or reputation, and that is what is more important in eve. It does ruin our fun in eve because if you play it in a decent way there is no way you are ever going to get any bigger. If you try to buy a bpo of some kind he can just outbid you any time and prevent you from starting up a t2 manufacturing line. He is also getting much more experience in pvp since he doesn't have to spend his time ratting or mining to replace his ships. IMO everybody should have equal chanses and if you are smart and have a feel for the market you should be one of the rich guys and not some guy who spends 2000$ in RL money to get 200 bil. It is also a lot easier to get your "reputation" if you can afford to lose anything. Get yourself 8x officer smartbombs and a bs with 8 wcs and go sit in a system with a lot of traffic in 0.0 and you'll be known soon enough. If you come back 10 minutes after you lose your fully faction gear fitted bs with another fully faction geared bs you'll soon be called every dirty name in existance. I used to buy GTC's for my 2 accounts with ingame isk aswell, I admit that. But lately the prices have been soaring to stupid levels and I just don't want to spend that much on a GTC. So what i'm doing is essentially also buying isk with real life money. (If i do pay with RL money i get to keep 300mil a month) In all honesty i am against selling GTC for isk but it is to late now : all the people that wanted to get rich this way are already to rich at the moment. Who knows maybe they are even selling their isk again on ebay and making a profit in RL cash...
chingon Caldari Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Donna Divine Other then that all you can aspire to is losing real cash every time you die instead of fake cash. QFT m8 Ö Sig By Liu Mang
Khan Dhu	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:59:00 - [9] Edited by: Khan Dhu on 23/10/2006 15:00:40 As long as CCP gets paid, who cares? Everyone I've disagreed with on this pretty much has the following philosophy, translated for truth: "When someone's richer than me in real life, it lessens my pride in taking something of value from them, and cheapens my triumph." Further translation: "When I pwn a n00b, I wanna know he's pwned and I'm 1337." Other than that, who cares? Their mothers will kill them when the Visa bill comes. Problem solved.
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:03:00 - [10] Originally by: RedClaws He is also getting much more experience in pvp since he doesn't have to spend his time ratting or mining to replace his ships. You dont learn and become a pro flying tech II fitted faction ships. You might as well use Cruisers/Recons that are very well affordable. Having lots of isk =\| pvp-experience. Originally by: RedClaws It is also a lot easier to get your "reputation" if you can afford to lose anything. Get yourself 8x officer smartbombs and a bs with 8 wcs and go sit in a system with a lot of traffic in 0.0 and you'll be known soon enough. If you come back 10 minutes after you lose your fully faction gear fitted bs with another fully faction geared bs you'll soon be called every dirty name in existance. Yes, you will have a reputation as a tard losing multiple faction-BS while killing hardly anything, cause a single EW-Frig can disable you. Originally by: RedClaws I used to buy GTC's for my 2 accounts with ingame isk aswell, I admit that. But lately the prices have been soaring to stupid levels and I just don't want to spend that much on a GTC. So what i'm doing is essentially also buying isk with real life money. (If i do pay with RL money i get to keep 300mil a month) In all honesty i am against selling GTC for isk but it is to late now : all the people that wanted to get rich this way are already to rich at the moment. Who knows maybe they are even selling their isk again on ebay and making a profit in RL cash... I'm not saying I'm for driving GTC-prices for isk up cause someone wants to become richer and richer, its wrong, totally, its unfair, sure. But you make it out as if those people win EVE, and they certainly dont. Siganture removed due to profanity - Serathu ([email protected])
Riot Girl	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:06:00 - [11] Please note I am NOT saying that this particular GTC seller is doing this but... For $2000 a person buys GTC's worth around 22 billion ISK. 22 billion ISK sells on The Auction Site That Must Not Be Named for around $3000. Easy enough to see whay someone would be doing this...
Acama	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Riot Girl Please note I am NOT saying that this particular GTC seller is doing this but... For $2000 a person buys GTC's worth around 22 billion ISK. 22 billion ISK sells on The Auction Site That Must Not Be Named for around $3000. Easy enough to see whay someone would be doing this... Obviously not many people are doing this then, because then the prices would equalise.
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:08:00 - [13] I am completely for being able to buy GTC for ISK, for multiple reasons such as that people that can't pay for EVE with RL money, either because they're financial situation doesn't allow it, or because they can't in their country. Although I don't like GTC sales because other people, people that sometimes only just started the game, can become filthy rich in a matter of days, and if you ask me it kind of ruins the economy in the game a little bit because there's more and more people that get ****loads of money like this. But since CCP will never sell GTC's for isk simply because they wouldn't earn any money off it, there's nothing to do really but just live with it. --------------------------
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Khan Dhu Edited by: Khan Dhu on 23/10/2006 15:00:40 As long as CCP gets paid, who cares? I care. Those saying ISK can't make you win eve are slightly deluded. If you can fund all your alliances pos's and ship replacements with GTC sales then its only a matter of time before your enemy gives up as they wont be able to keep replacing things like you can. Industrially, if you have billions coming into your wallet everyday you can buyout other peoples T2 BPOs easily creating your own mini monopoly. Some people don't pvp as much because of costly implants and ship replacements, this all works in moderation in alliance warefare, people need to recoup losses thus no one pvp's 23/7. But if your wars and equipment are being paid for by GTC sales then you have an unfair advantage in game and can essentially win any war by simply outlasting your opponent. Isk has a huge impact on eve, its silly to think it doesn't.
arjun Viziam	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:37:00 - [15] the problem is that people earn their livelyhood by working in the game. those people are ready to do things a "normal" player would never do like camping complexes by logging in 3 times a day or other means like macro mining with several accounts. i even think that mission running with macro is possible now after seeing about 20 ravenpilots with similar names and same birthdates next to a station of a nice agent. that hurts the game experience for others. those people take away resources of the other players for rl cash. they defend their sources of isk much more agressive and organised then fun-players would do because the relation between the efford of pushing the complex campers out every day with a gang is not in a good relation with the results in bounty and loot. except if you earn your daily bread with it. on the other hand it hurts all of us because any isk earned with fun as main interest gets devalued by inflation.
Leverton Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Angela Toren You can *WIN* Eve Online if you are wealthy in RL.... That right there immediately discounted you knowing what really goes on. You don't WIN eve. You CAN'T. It's impossible. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
Quin Tal Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:12:00 - [17] Quote: That's more money than any one player would ever need in EVE Online Between 3 people we just spent 17.5Billion and are still short.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:15:00 - [18] OFFICIAL STATMENT PLEASE!!!! N=R* x fp x ne x fl x Fi x fc x L
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:22:00 - [19] Edited by: Galk on 23/10/2006 16:22:25 Originally by: Death Kill OFFICIAL STATMENT PLEASE!!!! Originally by: GM Arkanon Buying your way ahead in EVE is cheating, pure and simple. There are many examples of games ruined by online merchants and their customers, and for good reason. Who wants to play a game where no one plays by the rules? Where's the fun in obtaining your goals through normal gameplay, only to have them wiped out by someone who bought his advantage As offical as it gets. Thats for all the people that say ccp are happy to let it roll because they profit from it:/ Original posting: Linkage ______
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:29:00 - [20] Edited by: Death Kill on 23/10/2006 16:30:39 Edited by: Death Kill on 23/10/2006 16:29:49 Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 23/10/2006 16:22:25 Originally by: Death Kill OFFICIAL STATMENT PLEASE!!!! Originally by: GM Arkanon Buying your way ahead in EVE is cheating, pure and simple. There are many examples of games ruined by online merchants and their customers, and for good reason. Who wants to play a game where no one plays by the rules? Where's the fun in obtaining your goals through normal gameplay, only to have them wiped out by someone who bought his advantage As offical as it gets. Thats for all the people that say ccp are happy to let it roll because they profit from it:/ Original posting: Linkage I'm sorry. I see that GM as an oxymorn. He says selling gtc for isk = cheating yet it is allowed? Smokescreen! edit : wtf did you even understand what I wrote ?I was talking about selling gtc for isk. edit again : That link doesnt adress the issue of gtc AT ALL. N=R* x fp x ne x fl x Fi x fc x L
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Galk As offical as it gets. Thats for all the people that say ccp are happy to let it roll because they profit from it:/ Original posting: Linkage Taken in context with the rest of the post, it seems he's talking more about buying ISK directly using eBay or somesuch. Unless there's been a recent change in attitude, it's still kosher to buy and sell GTC for ISK. Is it hypocritical? Of course it is. Warp Drive Active \| EVE: Nature Vraie
Paari Cuman Windsor Trade Organization The Imperial Order	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:32:00 - [22] Well Titan BPOs are 65 BILLION ISK... Didn't someone just build a Titan recently?
Roshan longshot Gallente Order of the Arrow	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:36:00 - [23] Buying from online auctions site...BAAAADDDD! Buying GTC with RL money, then selling said GTC for ISK, then buying somthing you have not earned in game...ALSO BAAAAADDD! But CCP gets their cut so they dont care! CCP STOP THIS MADNESS! When I have 855,000,000.00isk for the skills for capital ships, I would have earned it, IN GAME, BY PLAYING THE GAME!!. Not selling GTC cards! Saying buying/selling on a auction site is bad, and bannable....Then allowing GTC sales for isk, is not bad...well aint that a little two faced their? Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
IizzaBatch	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:41:00 - [24] Edited by: IizzaBatch on 23/10/2006 16:41:48 EVE is now an RMT game, its as simple as that, and thus CCP should declare it as such so customers know what they are getting themselves into before they sign up for an account. Then there would be no threads like this complaining about it.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Chewan Mesa I wouldnt do that myself cause it takes away any challenge a game should have...however, how exactly does this lower the fun you have in EVE? Is this guy destroying your trade-item's market, is he financing a merc-corp wardeccing you, or why do you care? Concerning the "most powerful ships/tools" someone can buy with this money, he can only fly one ship at a time, so even better if he keeps coming back with expensive loot. Seriously, having Isk \|= status, skill, or reputation, and that is what is more important in eve. For one he can outbid you at will on any T2 BPO you wish to buy. You know all those BPOs people are complaining they don't have due to an unfair lottery system. Even if they don't win the lottery they can't buy them because they're outbid by these guys. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
TheDeceit Minmatar Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:42:00 - [26] "Winning EVE" isn't becoming rich, imo. --------
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:42:00 - [27] Edited by: Galk on 23/10/2006 16:42:33 Ofc it does.... He's saying that buying your way ahead in the games derides the gameplay and enjoyment of others. Ebay/timecodes... does it matter? CCP say in that blog that they don't allow buying your way ahead in the game because of the mere concept of it and how it effects other users. Im done. iv'e made my point.. feel free to troll away all you like... It wasn't quoted out of context in the slightest... If ccp were so honest and upfront about the issue... they would explain it to the playerbase.... The fact they say nothing in the issue tells you everything.... they leave it up to the forum trolls to clear it up for them. ______
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Galk He's saying that buying your way ahead in the games derides the gameplay and enjoyment of others. Ebay/timecodes... does it matter? Context does matter in this case, considering eBay is mentioned specifically in that blog, not GTC. It's the specific mentioning of one thing and the non-mention of the other, which is is telling. Besides, if it was as much a concern as you think that blog implies, they wouldn't allow card sales, would they? Originally by: Galk Im done. iv'e made my point.. feel free to troll away all you like... I wasn't trolling, I was discussing. There's a considerable difference between the two. Warp Drive Active \| EVE: Nature Vraie
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:56:00 - [29] Originally by: TheDeceit "Winning EVE" isn't becoming rich, imo. Sorry, your 'imo' doesnt make a difference on the issue -------------------- Tuxford you broke my beloved EVE
Tyler Lowe Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 17:02:00 - [30] Doesn't real world wealth always ensure at least some advantage in at least one aspect of liesure activities? I have an aging/ancient PC that runs Eve anything but smoothly. Should I be moaning that the game should run as choppy and lag ridden for all as it does for me? Should I ask the dev team to kindly stop looking for the memory leak and add in a few more hiccups so that the people running on the latest single die dual core chipsets with dual graphics cards and 4 gig of RAM are placed on a level playing field with me? Maybe I should ask for the servers to have access limited for each player to what I can spend playing each day, because otherwise, someone is going to get the jump on me financially in game. Maybe every player/ISP address should be limited to a single account, because that's all I care to/can pay for. Real world wealth has advantages in just about anything you care to pursue. This is something you simply are not going to get around. If it didn't, no one would bother aquiring it. I'm also pretty sure CCP aggressively looks into any ISK for RL currency exchanges. I know I report any of those mass mailers I get trying to sell me ISK, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. J.A.F.O.

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