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NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:30:00 - [91] Edited by: NeoTech on 23/10/2006 21:31:21 Originally by: Red Six How *dare* you insult my friends in such a manner without ever dragging your pathetic butt on to the battlefield. I see plenty of your corp there but odd you don't show at all considering this is your "main" character I find that pathetic esepcially considering you insult others about running and hiding. You hypocrite. How Dare u say something like that? XoP is the most active user on the battlefield in our corp! So stop guessing ur ass off! EDIT: Also, try to understand what he writes, he has clearly said that he is fighting with an alt. And i know for a fact, that its true. Thats all!
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:31:00 - [92] Edited by: Dr Einkeisel on 23/10/2006 21:33:52 Originally by: Gungankllr I used to hold Band of Brothers members in high regard. After all this time, I still had a few friends in BoB. I've come to an epiphany after all the forum sillyness, being smacked in local every time I change systems, TS and Forum spying, shady offers and everything else of the last month. The gleam which shone on the Band of Brothers alliance to me is gone. It's been tarnished by the way you've all carried yourselves. I expected great fights, friendly banter and most of all, fun. What I've seen doesn't resemble that in the slightest. And Demonizing our leadership? If anything, I hold them in higher regard now than I did before this all started. Bottom line, how do you want to be remembered in Eve when this is all said and done? we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members. We have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me.
XoPhyte Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:37:00 - [93] Originally by: Red Six stuff Nice attempt to spin it again (if you were not Bob I would assume that you were truly upset, but as you are BOB I can only assume this is another sad attempt to spin information away from the real topic on this thread. Oh and in your reading you must have missed this... "I fight with an alt. This is just my ceo / science char." I am sure your bob spies can tell you who my alt is. And feel free to lookup my kill ratio, though I don't think you will like what you will find (though tbh I am not some uber PVP player, I am still learning that side of this game.) But yes (to a previous poster as well), my assesement of Huzzah was mostly based upon third party information given to me, especially in regards to one corporation in particular that Integeral was a part of when he was in Huzzah. I do know (that after talking with several huzzah members that are now in ascn), while the war was going on several corps were sitting around mining, never showed up on the battlefield and never offered ships to the combat corporations at a reduced price (IE, they were fattening their own wallets why guys like yourself (I am assuming by your post) were busy fighting on the front lines). I am suprised that BOB wants to try to churn this into a personal attack by on to huzzah, I said it was apparent that Integral did not help with the Huzzah war, and though he did help us with our war for a very short time, he decided to leave after 1 relatively small loss. I said that Huzzah failed because corps or members did not show up on the battlefield. So you are saying that all Huzzah did show up on the battlefield?
Daald Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:37:00 - [94] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members. And we have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I know I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me. See...too much effort and way too straightforward.. Try for something more subtle. Go along the lines of: "Gung, I am sorry that your perception has changed in that manner. Please realize that this is only a game and we are only playing a role. I have to say though that some of the conversations that I have read from you leaders have left me a bit....cold. I don't know, make up your own mind about it but if you ever want to know our point of view just let me know" See, something like that works much better for propaganda ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:48:00 - [95] Originally by: Gungankllr I used to hold Band of Brothers members in high regard. I still love ya, GK. Your leadership is making the same mistakes as Presidiot and Halseth made in the gsw though. They need to start learning from that... fast.
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:49:00 - [96] Edited by: Red Six on 23/10/2006 21:51:41 Sorry, I missed that as I am posting from work and had about a two hour interruption from start of my post to the time I posted it and did not read what had been posted since. Edit: At the time I had started my post you had stated XoPHyte was your main. A main is what you play with. A better way of stating it would have been that XoP was you CEO char only. And for the record even though I am in BoB, I've been gaming with Arsclan since 1999 so yes you royally **ed me off. Some of the ArsC guys are personal friends out of game and this game don't mean squat when it comes to friends. I'll stick up for them when they are insulted. Originally by:** Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
XoPhyte Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:51:00 - [97] Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 21:54:04 Originally by: Red Six Sorry, I missed that as I am posting from work and had about a two hour interruption from start of my post to the time I posted it and did not read what had been posted since. And for the record even though I am in BoB, I've been gaming with Arsclan since 1999 so yes you royally ****ed me off. Some of the ArsC guys are personal friends out of game and this game don't mean squat when it comes to friends. I'll stick up for them when they are insulted. No problem, I would do the same! Oh, and XoPhyte IS my main character (IE. he is my first character). However several months into the game I was so busy training corp management skills and science skills I really felt like I was missing the whole PVP side of the game. Therefore I created a new bloodline char that was pure PVP, and it's with this char that I do all of my fighting. So I do most of my gameplay with my main, just my alt does all (or the majority) of my fighting.
Sathrai Unlimited Blade Works	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:58:00 - [98] Edited by: Sathrai on 23/10/2006 22:01:20 Originally by: XoPhyte I said that Huzzah failed because corps or members did not show up on the battlefield. So you are saying that all Huzzah did show up on the battlefield? No; at its absolute best Huzzah could bring maybe 60% - 75% of its online membership to bear for a major fleet engagement, and usual numbers for middling pre-planned operations were more to the tune of 33% - 50%. BoB may chortle at that kind of turnout, but we had more problems with the people who never logged on at all than those who logged on but did nothing for the alliance...when the really big fights were on in Huzzah, you can be sure that we probably had more people there and participating - or trying to participate - than not. Huzzah failed on the level of strategic planning; we failed to recognize that dreadnaughts were vital as countersiege tools, or, to be slightly more precise, we realized that little fact but failed to take suitable & practical steps to rectify our woeful paucity in capital ships in a timely fashion. In terms of the quality of Huzzah's former membership, I am immensely proud that I fought alongside the majority of them - what they lacked in skillpoints and equipment they tried valiantly to make up for with pluck and elan. Sure, there were leeches and parasites (what alliance doesn't have them?), but we had just as many - if not more! - people who were making free battleships for their fellow alliance-mates, who unconditionally gave isk out to those in dire need, and who were generally unashamed to give it their all when the cards were well and truly down. We were an odd little alliance with all sorts of issues & problems, but the "moral quality" of our members was definitely not one of those.
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:58:00 - [99] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members. We have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me. Is that ASCN Leadership lied with comments like: "We've deployed multiple POS in multiple BoB systems"? "One of ASCN's Carrier Groups just scored it's 100th BoB kill"? "We can strike in multiple locations similtaneously" (then doing so on multiple occasions)? And you woldn't want to be part of an alliance who lied to you? Would they be lies like: "Declaring war on ASCN is a good idea"? "ASCN will fall within a week"? "We damage morale within ASCN with a forum war" (where in actual fact it's had the oppposite effect)"? I do not mean this as a flame, simply to state that you really should reconsider what your leadership is telling you because if they're telling you what they're trying to tell the rest of Eve, it most certainly isn't truthful. One final thing. Unlike your Leadership and Membership, I've not once said anything derrogatry about BoB Leadership where as you guys constantly refer to me as McGreedy. Whilst I find this rather comical, in the sense that this little more than a playground insult, fact remains it is a continued attempt to be disrespectful towards me. I think that above all else shows you the immaturity of sections of your member base. Make a Difference
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:59:00 - [100] Originally by: Daald Edited by: Daald on 23/10/2006 21:40:40 Originally by: Dr Einkeisel we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members. And we have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I know I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me. See...too much effort and way too straightforward.. Try for something more subtle. Go along the lines of: "Gung, I am sorry that your perception has changed in that manner. Please realize that this is only a game and we are only playing a role. I have to say though that some of the conversations that I have read from your leaders have left me a bit....cold. I don't know, make up your own mind about it but if you ever want to know our point of view just convo me anytime." See, something like that works much better for propaganda You make it sound like me reading the conversations completely invalidates there contents. Yes I have read the conversations, Yes I've listened to you argue on teamspeak, yes I've watched your leaders lie to your memebers. Not my problem that somone of you seem to blind to see the obvious. Thats why these facts are posted her with the evidence to back them up, so your members can make up there own minds. Me or any other bob memember listing/reading them in no way makes them invalid. What I really want to know, who is the english guy that was on your TS voicing his opinions. Saying he sat inside the POS for 8 hours waiting for HC to pull there finger out there bum. Then also demanded that McCreedy come down and speak to everyone, instead of sitting in a TS room deligating his rubish. He was cool

whopper Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:01:00 - [101] Originally by: Daald Edited by: Daald on 23/10/2006 21:40:40 Go along the lines of: "Gung, I am sorry that your perception has changed in that manner. Please realize that this is only a game and we are only playing a role. I have to say though that some of the conversations that I have read from your leaders have left me a bit....cold. I don't know, make up your own mind about it but if you ever want to know our point of view just convo me anytime." See, something like that works much better for propaganda the force is strong in this one! You could work as ghostwriter for your high command.
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:01:00 - [102] Originally by: John McCreedy Originally by: Dr Einkeisel we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members. We have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me. Is that ASCN Leadership lied with comments like: "We've deployed multiple POS in multiple BoB systems"? "One of ASCN's Carrier Groups just scored it's 100th BoB kill"? "We can strike in multiple locations similtaneously" (then doing so on multiple occasions)? And you woldn't want to be part of an alliance who lied to you? Would they be lies like: "Declaring war on ASCN is a good idea"? "ASCN will fall within a week"? "We damage morale within ASCN with a forum war" (where in actual fact it's had the oppposite effect)"? I do not mean this as a flame, simply to state that you really should reconsider what your leadership is telling you because if they're telling you what they're trying to tell the rest of Eve, it most certainly isn't truthful. One final thing. Unlike your Leadership and Membership, I've not once said anything derrogatry about BoB Leadership where as you guys constantly refer to me as McGreedy. Whilst I find this rather comical, in the sense that this little more than a playground insult, fact remains it is a continued attempt to be disrespectful towards me. I think that above all else shows you the immaturity of sections of your member base. Wow. Want me to post the some links of your disgruntled members on your own teamspeak
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:02:00 - [103] Further evolution comment is not required in this thread. .... Real men use blasters
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:03:00 - [104] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 23/10/2006 22:04:47 Rather than this thread get derailed - can a mod lock this please. The facts have been stated. What has not been stated is that the OP actually got a reimbursement for his ship loss. As is normally the case within our corp, people usually end up profiting from ship loss, which means the extra isk goes on modules. Of course, this assumes that the member is on an op, which is true for the first instance. As far as Xophyte's combat ability - As well as all the Out Siders Directors - They are all on the front line fighting. This is why we have high moral within the corp as well as a high kill efficency as demonstrated via the ASCN killboard. In XoPhytes case - he uses his combat alt, which also has a high kill record. I have nothing more to say about IntegralHellsing, other than wishing him the best in his future endevors wherever they may be. I have nothing to say to BoB either, other than you guys and your slave corps are great opponents to fight. Oh and can you guys please remove the 2 fake killmails of myself from your killboard? No - the t2 raven and the Pilgrim with faction scram are genuine - the fake ones are the lousy punisher and podding in hed-gp(!). This is my first and last post in this thread. Thank You. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
XoPhyte Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:06:00 - [105] Originally by: Sathrai Edited by: Sathrai on 23/10/2006 21:59:19 Originally by: XoPhyte I said that Huzzah failed because corps or members did not show up on the battlefield. So you are saying that all Huzzah did show up on the battlefield? No; at its absolute best Huzzah could bring maybe 60% - 75% of its online membership to bear for a major fleet engagement, and usual numbers for middling pre-planned operations were more to the tune of 33% - 50%. BoB may chortle at that kind of turnout, but we had more problems with the people who never logged on at all than those who logged on but did nothing for the alliance...when the really big fights were on in Huzzah, you can be sure that we probably had more people there and participating - or trying to participate - than not. Huzzah failed on the level of strategic planning; we failed to recognize that dreadnaughts were vital as countersiege tools, or, to be slightly more precise, we realized that little fact but failed to take suitable & practical steps to rectify our woeful paucity in capital ships in a timely fashion. In terms of the quality of Huzzah's former membership, I am immensely proud that I fought alongside the majority of them - what they lacked in skillpoints and equipment they tried valiantly to make up for with pluck and elan. Sure, there were leeches and parasites (what alliance doesn't have them?), but we had just as many - if not more! - people who were making free battleships for their fellow alliance-mates, who unconditionally gave isk out to those in dire need, and who were generally unashamed to give it their all. We were a strange alliance with all sorts of issues & problems, but the "moral quality" of our members was definitely not one of those. Thanks Sathrai, that is informative and straight forward analysis which is refreshing in these forums.
Daald Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:07:00 - [106] Edited by: Daald on 23/10/2006 22:09:39 Originally by: Dr Einkeisel You make it sound like me reading the conversations completely invalidates there contents. Yes I have read the conversations, Yes I've listened to you argue on teamspeak, yes I've watched your leaders lie to your memebers. Not my problem that somone of you seem to blind to see the obvious. Thats why these facts are posted her with the evidence to back them up, so your members can make up there own minds. Me or any other bob memember listing/reading them in no way makes them invalid. What I really want to know, who is the english guy that was on your TS voicing his opinions. Saying he sat inside the POS for 8 hours waiting for HC to pull there finger out there bum. Then also demanded that McCreedy come down and speak to everyone, instead of sitting in a TS room deligating his rubish. He was cool No no. You have to be more subtle when trying to convince your victim. He can't feel threatened by what you say so you have to find an alternate method of conveying your point across. Check Dianabolic's post above. He gets it. Ask him how he does it. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy
Blind Watchmaker Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:11:00 - [107] Originally by: Grim Savage Please sticky this thread. It is historical. Well it is quite funny in places but I wouldn't say I find it historical. ---------------------------------------
Sathrai Unlimited Blade Works	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:11:00 - [108] Originally by: XoPhyte Thanks Sathrai, that is informative and straight forward analysis which is refreshing in these forums. No problem. It's just a shame that all the pluck and elan in the world is of no avail when you simply don't have the tools necessary to do the job. Ah well, may our fate serve as an example and learning experience for all the other sovereignity-claiming middling powers out there.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Constorium	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:24:00 - [109] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel Originally by: Daald Edited by: Daald on 23/10/2006 21:40:40 Originally by: Dr Einkeisel we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members. And we have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I know I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me. See...too much effort and way too straightforward.. Try for something more subtle. Go along the lines of: "Gung, I am sorry that your perception has changed in that manner. Please realize that this is only a game and we are only playing a role. I have to say though that some of the conversations that I have read from your leaders have left me a bit....cold. I don't know, make up your own mind about it but if you ever want to know our point of view just convo me anytime." See, something like that works much better for propaganda You make it sound like me reading the conversations completely invalidates there contents. Yes I have read the conversations, Yes I've listened to you argue on teamspeak, yes I've watched your leaders lie to your memebers. Not my problem that somone of you seem to blind to see the obvious. Thats why these facts are posted her with the evidence to back them up, so your members can make up there own minds. Me or any other bob memember listing/reading them in no way makes them invalid. What I really want to know, who is the english guy that was on your TS voicing his opinions. Saying he sat inside the POS for 8 hours waiting for HC to pull there finger out there bum. Then also demanded that McCreedy come down and speak to everyone, instead of sitting in a TS room deligating his rubish. He was cool Nice!! A BOB member admitting to being so completely lame as to spy on ASCN TS. Even Lamer threatening "Supposed" recordings! And yes.. you edited your post but I think I'll quote it for posterity. Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Further evolution comment is not required in this thread. Methinks someone is gonna get spanked.
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:26:00 - [110] Edited by: Dr Einkeisel on 23/10/2006 22:28:44 That post is still there ? and we have never denied not having spys, and if you look around in this thread at the quotes you will see the TS recordings linked Fitz wont spank me, ill just hug him, till he submits

Slowboat Interspace Trade Constorium	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:41:00 - [111] No, your edit holds. But I quoted it before you deleted all the text.
MarketMouse The Genesis Project	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:46:00 - [112] There's only one fact in this whole thread, which is that you all are getting worked up over a noob troll who was in ASCN for all of a month and a half before running back to empire. That's barely enough time to learn how to get from AZN to HED, let alone get a clue as to how the alliance is run.
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:50:00 - [113] ah I see what you mean, your welcome to repost that I just didn't see the need after reading it again. But yes I said we had spys etc.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:07:00 - [114] Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/10/2006 23:13:35 Why do people fallow the leadership that does not stand with their members on the front lines? Why do people fallow the leadership that ridicule their own members, benefits greatly from their hard work, blame others for their mistakes, but when the going getÆs tough, they can only make speeches, give orders and at the end when itÆs all over, pocket all the assets as their personal wealth? How many times has this happened in EVE? FA, CA, Xatic rings a bell? Does anybody learn their lessons in this game? Unless your leaders are right there with you on the front lines getting blown up with you, they donÆt deserve your respect. They are using you for their own benefit, freeloading like the RL politicians that send someone else kids to war while their own kids go to collage and their companies profit from it. ThatÆs why EVERY member of BoB is willing to go to their death without thinking about it if ordered. ItÆs because when I look whoÆs next to me on the battle field, itÆs EVERY BoB Ceo, director and member right there with me. ThatÆs why they are respected. Not because they put up a propaganda post on the forums and go inactive. So after itÆs all said and done, there will be some of ASCN crying about ISK, mineral, Titan being gone from corp assets, I will point you to this thread/post. If you donÆt learn from history, then you deserve what you get. At least this guy saw the light and got out before losing more ISK, time and self respect. That's more then I can say about you noobs, but please. Keep on fighting. It will all be worth it at the end. The truth will set you free
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:13:00 - [115] Quote: Bottom line, how do you want to be remembered in Eve when this is all said and done? I believe this is probably one of the best lines so far... honest, open and to the point, all the forum whoring, spying and backstabbing aside (not easy i'm sure) but the answer to that question is one each of us have to find for ourselves. The only place for me is on the field of battle, fighting with my brothers in arms.. regardless of the outcome, at least I can say I stood my ground and gave my all
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:19:00 - [116] I just took a look at Integral's history ingame, lol, he was a member of The Raven Warriors since 07.08.2006, which was SA at the time, and unless I am mistaken, was member of Huzzah Federation long before we went into Catch. So no, doesnt look from her history she ever was member of HF at the discussed time period (unless some of the other corps there were short time members of HF, so I didnt notice). Originally by: XoPhyte But yes (to a previous poster as well), my assesement of Huzzah was mostly based upon third party information given to me, especially in regards to one corporation in particular that Integeral was a part of when he was in Huzzah. I do know (that after talking with several huzzah members that are now in ascn), while the war was going on several corps were sitting around mining, never showed up on the battlefield and never offered ships to the combat corporations at a reduced price (IE, they were fattening their own wallets why guys like yourself (I am assuming by your post) were busy fighting on the front lines). I am suprised that BOB wants to try to churn this into a personal attack by me on to huzzah, I said it was apparent that Integral did not help with the Huzzah war, and though he did help us with our war for a very short time, he decided to leave after 1 relatively small loss. I said that Huzzah failed because corps or members did not show up on the battlefield. So you are saying that all Huzzah did show up on the battlefield? Those corps who were sitting around and mining, did it only to try and help with building replacement ships, not for their own wallet! As I recall, those 'mining corps' as you so called them (cant recall the names right now), even put up POS refineries in FAT in order to easily get minerals for replacement ships. I remember clearly I even bought a ship or two for discounted price, so defintly not making their wallets thick (I think that fits ASCN pretty well though ) Furthermore, I remember 1-2 indvidual memebrs giving out ships to people who could use them, during the V2 siege. The only thing which HF was missing, besides perhaps for lack of skillpoints, is the industry to support it pvp will, and abilities, including cap ships. And you know what I think, and every other former HF member? Is that YOU mentioned HF in this thread to try and spin off problems ASCN has, in order to turn the spotlights off ASCN's problems. Every problem you adressed to HF, is in fact something you ignore and rather not deal in your own alliance. ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Riwer Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:22:00 - [117] Originally by: John McCreedy "Declaring war on ASCN is a good idea"? "ASCN will fall within a week"? "We damage morale within ASCN with a forum war" (where in actual fact it's had the oppposite effect)"? I do not mean this as a flame, simply to state that you really should reconsider what your leadership is telling you because if they're telling you what they're trying to tell the rest of Eve, it most certainly isn't truthful. LOOK! He lied again! And it comes so naturally that he doesn't even notice it. Brilliant! (Sorry for spamage, but I found it so funny)
Slowboat Interspace Trade Constorium	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:32:00 - [118] Edited by: Slowboat on 23/10/2006 23:33:11 Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/10/2006 23:19:34 Unless your leaders are right there with you on the front lines getting blown up with you, they donÆt deserve your respect. They are using you for their own benefit, freeloading like the RL politicians that send someone else kids to war while their own kids go to collage and their companies profit from it. ThatÆs why EVERY member of BoB is willing to go to their death without thinking about it if ordered. ItÆs because when I look whoÆs next to me on the battle field, itÆs EVERY BoB Ceo, director and member right there with me. ThatÆs why they are respected. Not because they put up a propaganda post on the forums and go inactive. So.. what your saying is SirMolle goes to the battlefield as SirMolle? Because.. if so.. that's funny... I don't see a single kill on your killboards with his name on it. Edit: And if not then have your own leaders follow the standards you would have other alliance leaders take.
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:38:00 - [119] OP Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Zrevak Ashek The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:56:00 - [120] SirMolle fights as Shrike and I think BL fights as himself...usually? Atleast I saw them in local alot in our wars against them...



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