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Anderson Wes
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.24 00:01:00 -
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Lord knows I hate these forums. =)
But I flew besides Cyvok during the weekend's fighting in GQ2. And he was in the thick of the action.
Enough said.
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Constorium
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Posted - 2006.10.24 00:09:00 -
[122]
 Originally by: Zrevak Ashek
SirMolle fights as Shrike and I think BL fights as himself...usually? Atleast I saw them in local alot in our wars against them...
Perfectly acceptable.
Yet in this thread you see a CEO of a corp get blasted by BOB members for not fighting as his CEO character and another BOB member calling ASCN leadership out for not fighting as their leadership characters. But it is perfectly fine for SirMolle to fight as an alt instead of his leadership character according to BOB.
That is what I call being hypocritical.
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Serathu
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.24 00:18:00 -
[123]
Thread cleaned a little.
Please refrain from trolling/flaming and remember to stay on-topic and constructive when posting. Failure to do so could earn you a forum warning or ban.
Thank you!
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RaptorX
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.24 00:41:00 -
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With regard to the OP's statement of ASCN's industrial might...
I'd just like to say I've been having a ball fighting BOB on the front lines since the beginning of this war! If I lose a ship, I simply send a quick eve mail to my corp's industrialist and viola! I have a new ship at less than cost, in under 24 hours! (thanks Max!!)
RaptorX
p.s. GO ASCN! 
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Coupo
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 00:51:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Rainbow Jesus
Originally by: Coupo
Is there a pot of gold at the end of your Rainbow, Jesus?
You sure are a cute piglett! Why dont you come over, and i'll show you the end mf my rainbow!
done! MROOOOOOOAAAAWWWRRRR
I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later |
Liet Traep
Minmatar
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.24 01:05:00 -
[126]
This reminds me a lot of how the end of xetic played out. I remember after weeks of constant warfare and of losing horrific numbers to skilled enemy pilots that i would go everyday to join the fleet ops and i'd see people who i used to see in gangs everyday quietly ratting or mining instead of fighting. And i didn't give them crap for it. People need time to replenish losses. Also they need victories. You can't expect people to queue up everyday, time after time just to lose. And the Xetic fleets in my TZ lost more often than they won.
I don't know John McReedy personally but nothing I've heard about him from ASCN members inspires me with confidence. ASCN needs victories and needs to tip the kill/loss ratio more in it's favor. Your combat pilots get popped too many times, they run out of ships to fight with, they feel that if they show up they'll probably just lose another ship, then their morale will break and suddenly you have no fleet left.
Personally I don't care which side wins or loses. I have reasons to dislike BoB and ASCN. But what will win this war for one side or another is two things, Logistics and Morale. If your guys have ships to fight in and work together and feel they can win it you have a good shot at victory. I know BoB has great logisitics and morale. ASCN can you step up?
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.24 01:52:00 -
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What I don't get is we have the OP's Ex-CEo here saying "Oh he's whining about 50mil in ship losses, he can make that back in an hour ratting." Well here's a thought: if the OP was flying assault frigs and intys durring his combat time, and he lost both of them. Now you're saying that ASCN doesn't have a logistical problem, he just didn't lose anything worth said support.
Furthermore the CEO goes on to say that the loss could be easily recovered in a few hours of ratting. But if you think about it by those standards he should have a battleship. you would of course had checked his hagers to find that he didn't have one at all I assume. In any case we can assume he didn't have one if he was flying af's and intys this whole time. Which means he could never make the money back on his own. Also I know that with so many all hands calls going out, he would probably be castrated if he was found ratting in a battleship that could be thrown in as cannon fodder to the node deaths.
Seeing as the ex CEO is so atentive, maybe he knows if the OP went and ran away in a BS or a shuttle on his way out of the alliance. Also to be fair AFAIK ASCN's reimbursment policy only delt with battleship insureance, which really doesn't cover assault frigates.
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perfeus
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2006.10.24 02:17:00 -
[128]
Edited by: perfeus on 24/10/2006 02:18:19
Originally by: Matrix Aran
What I don't get is we have the OP's Ex-CEo here saying "Oh he's whining about 50mil in ship losses, he can make that back in an hour ratting." Well here's a thought: if the OP was flying assault frigs and intys durring his combat time, and he lost both of them. Now you're saying that ASCN doesn't have a logistical problem, he just didn't lose anything worth said support.
Furthermore the CEO goes on to say that the loss could be easily recovered in a few hours of ratting. But if you think about it by those standards he should have a battleship. you would of course had checked his hagers to find that he didn't have one at all I assume. In any case we can assume he didn't have one if he was flying af's and intys this whole time. Which means he could never make the money back on his own. Also I know that with so many all hands calls going out, he would probably be castrated if he was found ratting in a battleship that could be thrown in as cannon fodder to the node deaths.
Seeing as the ex CEO is so atentive, maybe he knows if the OP went and ran away in a BS or a shuttle on his way out of the alliance. Also to be fair AFAIK ASCN's reimbursment policy only delt with battleship insureance, which really doesn't cover assault frigates.
You read all of this and got to that conclusion?
A major war breaks out, he loses 1 ship in battle, runs back to empire and now crys on the eve-o forums. How can you live in 0.0 for weeks and not have a battleship? Sounds like a whiner to me
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Joe Bloggers
Caldari
Legion Federation
Amen Anera
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Posted - 2006.10.24 05:57:00 -
[129]
So he loses 1 ship to bob, aparently gets a reimbursement or reimbursement from ASCN corp he is with (who has members that state that all their directors are on the front line, at least according to this thread, anyone confirm?) so I dont see what the issue is, or is there something I have missed?
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Adril Alatar
Minmatar
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.24 06:17:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Sathrai
Originally by: Slowboat
OH DB.. for shame. Your losing your touch. That is easily countered by the simple fact that the ones that joined ASCN ARE the fighters of Huzzah who didn't have that attitude.
I think you need a refresher course at the Jedi Smack Academy. 
Actually, it was the guys that fought that were the ones who decided to kill Huzzah. As the ones who did the brunt of the fighting and the dying, we felt that we had that particular right. I know because I was there and participated in the Vent discussions about the entire thing. The leadership looked at the situation realistically, considered it effectively futile without considerable & sustained outside capital ship assistance, came to the conclusion that an existence entirely contingent upon the charity of others wasn't an existence worth living, and that was pretty much that.
It's worth noting that just a few days before we decided to close up shop, Huzzah fielded one of its largest fleets ever - morale wasn't a problem; it was a pure, straight up lack of the necessary specialized materiel (read: dreadnaughts). It sounds like that ASCN person listened a bit too closely to the words of certain ex-Huzzah corps, cough cough.
@Sathrai: Post the same with your main and its ok :D
@Slowboat: The fighters who didnt have that attitude merged into NoQ and are in AXE now, not ASCN. Like Sathrai pointed out, Huzzah didnt go down because they had no ships, bad morale or leechers. Huzzah was disbanded because we did not have the capital ships to remove AAA from our home system.
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Techtriz
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Posted - 2006.10.24 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Red Six
How dare you insult my friends in such a manner without ever dragging your pathetic butt on to the battlefield. I see plenty of your corp there but odd you don't show at all considering this is your "main" character I find that pathetic esepcially considering you insult others about running and hiding. You hypocrite.
It's easy to talk smack about other players when your butt is safe in the rear doing whatever isn't it?
Love it when people just read one post, assume something and reply without doing more research, it's a science/ceo alt your dumb ****! Read the damn thread.(Yes, I know it is spelled wrong)
ROFL, I think BoBs attitude on the forums is a joke and I'm not even ASCN. What's the avg age in BoB? 15?
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Yikes
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 07:26:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Techtriz
ROFL, I think BoBs attitude on the forums is a joke and I'm not even ASCN. What's the avg age in BoB? 15?
DICE are celebrating Thol's 75th birthday next month. And he's one of the youngsters.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 07:45:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Darcuese on 24/10/2006 07:48:50
Originally by: XoPhyte
But yes (to a previous poster as well), my assesement of Huzzah was mostly based upon third party information given to me, especially in regards to one corporation in particular that Integeral was a part of when he was in Huzzah.
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Good PR I must say....Being a CEO, posting like that about Huzzah (1 week) publicly on forum based on third party info...at same time Huzzah ex members fighting along you. .
Hans as ex leader of Huzzahs did lot more then any of you CEOs or Cyvok will ever do tbh.
And their memebers didnt have skills as much ASCN suppose to have..there for for their t1 ships. But they were allways there to defend their land. And stood there for some time. Only after Hans step from the leader char...Huzzah went down.
It was definatly lot more then 1 week.
So next time, do not take every third party info as fact and belaive it. Especialy when you are CEO.
But i guess you ppl dont have a mind of your own, but beliave whatever someone tell you. Brain isnt there to fill your head you know.
And speaking of main combat chars.
Im one of those id.iots that post on forum with same char as fighting on battlefield. It cost me ships, yes.
But it give me great pleasure to stand infront your faces before you die with knowlidge who killed you . And you wont get ridd of me anytime soon
And regarding your ex members. Sure, they might be proven wrong when you all jump to lough at them to get some point with your leaders. At least guy that lost (even only 2 ships) took out best he could aford at that time (maybe). Many others like to keep isk to them self.
Its not value of ISK that count. Its "will" to spend them or not for couse.
IF YOU SEE ME WHINING OR NERVOUS THEN THERE ARE IDIOTS NEAR BY |
CamMan
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 08:09:00 -
[134]
Why do we have to forum war?
fighting in game is fun, seeing all the crap that is written on the forums is *******s. People should just post that facts without their imaginitive "spin" on it.
Perhaps BoB letting ASCN build POS's in BoB space is their plan , perhaps ASCN leroying thousands of ships at BoB is ASCN's plan. Who really cares to be honest, lets just get in game and fight, stop spinning events around master plans etc.
killboards (who post all kills and loses) speak for themselves, soveriegnty's speak for themselves. lets just get in game and dance.
seriously where is the love?
Cheers Cam
Originally by: Bender
Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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NeoTech
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.24 09:19:00 -
[135]
Originally by: CamMan
fighting in game is fun, seeing all the crap that is written on the forums is *******s. People should just post that facts without their imaginitive "spin" on it.
Perhaps BoB letting ASCN build POS's in BoB space is their plan , perhaps ASCN leroying thousands of ships at BoB is ASCN's plan. Who really cares to be honest, lets just get in game and fight, stop spinning events around master plans etc.
LMAO... ohh the irony
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O Thief
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.24 09:25:00 -
[136]
Originally by: CamMan
Why do we have to forum war?
fighting in game is fun, seeing all the crap that is written on the forums is *******s. People should just post that facts without their imaginitive "spin" on it.
Have you checked your corp and alliance ticker recently?
Jesus...
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 09:33:00 -
[137]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/10/2006 09:33:43
Originally by: NeoTech
Originally by: CamMan
fighting in game is fun, seeing all the crap that is written on the forums is *******s. People should just post that facts without their imaginitive "spin" on it.
Perhaps BoB letting ASCN build POS's in BoB space is their plan , perhaps ASCN leroying thousands of ships at BoB is ASCN's plan. Who really cares to be honest, lets just get in game and fight, stop spinning events around master plans etc.
LMAO... ohh the irony
Well no offence, but that isn't ironic.
To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.
That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.
Not counting, shuttles, pods, newb ships, support like CEO pyrex's count of what crap he has killed in Delve.
We have about 65 Battleships to go till we reach that 1000 Battleship number, hopefully we will achieve this in the next 3 days so that we can make it a nice round number for our monthly report.
Yet, you have Mcreedy saying that everything is going to plan for ASCN..... so it must be part of the greater plan.
One I fail to see the logic in.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 09:59:00 -
[138]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/10/2006 09:39:42
Originally by: NeoTech
Originally by: CamMan
fighting in game is fun, seeing all the crap that is written on the forums is *******s. People should just post that facts without their imaginitive "spin" on it.
Perhaps BoB letting ASCN build POS's in BoB space is their plan , perhaps ASCN leroying thousands of ships at BoB is ASCN's plan. Who really cares to be honest, lets just get in game and fight, stop spinning events around master plans etc.
LMAO... ohh the irony
Well no offence, but that isn't ironic.
To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.
That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.
Not counting, shuttles, pods, newb ships, random corporations that have nothing to do with ASCN, not counting random support like CEO pyrex's count of what crap he has killed in Delve.
We have about 65 Battleships to go till we reach that 1000 Battleship number, hopefully we will achieve this in the next 3 days so that we can make it a nice round number for our monthly report.
Yet, you have Mcreedy saying that everything is going to plan for ASCN..... so it must be part of the greater plan.
One I fail to see the logic in.
dbp
I ll see your 1000 ASCN battleships and raise you another 100... oh wait we are not at the BoB meet yet... doh.
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Keldon Pax
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:01:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Keldon Pax on 24/10/2006 11:01:24
A Good bloody thing that we have built about that many in 28 days too..:-}
Keldon
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Lucre
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:20:00 -
[140]
Originally by: DB Preacher
To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.
That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.
Sounds impressive. Until you work out that's around 1 BS for every 20 ASCN members per week. Or assuming a net loss of 60M for every BS (which it won't be as many will be tier 1, T1 and/or cost-price - and I'm not counting petition replacements either) a total loss of ... 3M isk per ASCN member per week.
The first weeks of our first serious war in months; a steep PvP learning curve against (we will happily admit this) far more experienced pilots and FCs; horrendously one-sided losses at times as we slowly learn the do's and don't of fleet combat in the node-crash and carrier age. And yet for this you've inflicted a total loss against our BS fleets of 3M isk per member per week.
Per week. Per member. 3M isk. (Or less!)
Do enjoy your kill counting. But fortunately we were able to fit in 20 minutes ratting, so I think we're good to go for month 2 of this little tiff.
Ting ting... 
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Knocturnal
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:23:00 -
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I couldn't hold myslef down and had to post this :))
2days ago i heard a nice registration from ASCN Ts and stuff i heard was like that
"x : dude don't log in cuz you`ll die . just don't log in go and do what so eva...
y : Hey we`re in BOB`s Space ... We can't do nothing but hey we`re in bob`s space"
Made me laught like 1h... if you need proofs about that just holla at me and i`ll link you up with it:))
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Auman
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Auman on 24/10/2006 11:39:15
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: DB Preacher
To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.
That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.
Sounds impressive. Until you work out that's around 1 BS for every 20 ASCN members per week. Or assuming a net loss of 60M for every BS (which it won't be as many will be tier 1, T1 and/or cost-price - and I'm not counting petition replacements either) a total loss of ... 3M isk per ASCN member per week.
The first weeks of our first serious war in months; a steep PvP learning curve against (we will happily admit this) far more experienced pilots and FCs; horrendously one-sided losses at times as we slowly learn the do's and don't of fleet combat in the node-crash and carrier age. And yet for this you've inflicted a total loss against our BS fleets of 3M isk per member per week.
Per week. Per member. 3M isk. (Or less!)
Do enjoy your kill counting. But fortunately we were able to fit in 20 minutes ratting, so I think we're good to go for month 2 of this little tiff.
Ting ting...
/edit Damn, Juan beat me to it by seconds!
I certainly hope the losses can be replaced quickly as it's a fun war!
Nice sig btw
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:38:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: DB Preacher
To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.
That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.
Sounds impressive. Until you work out that's around 1 BS for every 20 ASCN members per week. Or assuming a net loss of 60M for every BS (which it won't be as many will be tier 1, T1 and/or cost-price - and I'm not counting petition replacements either) a total loss of ... 3M isk per ASCN member per week.
The first weeks of our first serious war in months; a steep PvP learning curve against (we will happily admit this) far more experienced pilots and FCs; horrendously one-sided losses at times as we slowly learn the do's and don't of fleet combat in the node-crash and carrier age. And yet for this you've inflicted a total loss against our BS fleets of 3M isk per member per week.
Per week. Per member. 3M isk. (Or less!)
Do enjoy your kill counting. But fortunately we were able to fit in 20 minutes ratting, so I think we're good to go for month 2 of this little tiff.
Ting ting...
Battleships don't pilot themselves. Replacing is one thing, Re-fielding is a totally different thing.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Horatio Starkiller
Minmatar
TAOSP
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:42:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: DB Preacher
To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.
That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.
Sounds impressive. Until you work out that's around 1 BS for every 20 ASCN members per week. Or assuming a net loss of 60M for every BS (which it won't be as many will be tier 1, T1 and/or cost-price - and I'm not counting petition replacements either) a total loss of ... 3M isk per ASCN member per week.
The first weeks of our first serious war in months; a steep PvP learning curve against (we will happily admit this) far more experienced pilots and FCs; horrendously one-sided losses at times as we slowly learn the do's and don't of fleet combat in the node-crash and carrier age. And yet for this you've inflicted a total loss against our BS fleets of 3M isk per member per week.
Per week. Per member. 3M isk. (Or less!)
Do enjoy your kill counting. But fortunately we were able to fit in 20 minutes ratting, so I think we're good to go for month 2 of this little tiff.
Ting ting...
Sounds impressive until you realise some of ascn aren't around (due to real lives) some won't undock, some are running around in frigs and carriers in delve not npc'ing, some aren't contributing isk to your cause full stop, some are sitting at a pos doing nothing, some are multiple accounts not being logged on all at the same time. Need I go on?
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:42:00 -
[145]
Originally by: DB Preacher
[...] 1000 bs kills [...]
Yet, you have Mcreedy saying that everything is going to plan for ASCN..... so it must be part of the greater plan.
One I fail to see the logic in.
dbp
We lose ships because we bring them to the fight, and learn.
People need to learn to pvp, fcs need to learn fcing and the command infrastructure need to be created - in the process a lot of bses will obviously get wasted.
I am not saying the "greater plan" is a perfect one, but the losses mean there is progress being done if anything, they arent evidence of a flaw in the plan itself.
Tbh, if you wanna discredit the leadership, you should try other routes and leave the killboards alone.
- Gob
[IXC] Admiral Goberius |
Trex Y
Mindless Destruction
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:47:00 -
[146]
Originally by: LUKEC
+ post with your "combat main" (if such thing exists) so we can all see your "proofses" about how well you are doing
According to BoB killboard you are following an alliance leader who does not fight at all
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Constorium
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:51:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Slowboat on 24/10/2006 11:54:55
Originally by: Knocturnal
I couldn't hold myslef down and had to post this :))
2days ago i heard a nice registration from ASCN Ts and stuff i heard was like that
"x : dude don't log in cuz you`ll die . just don't log in go and do what so eva...
y : Hey we`re in BOB`s Space ... We can't do nothing but hey we`re in bob`s space"
Made me laught like 1h... if you need proofs about that just holla at me and i`ll link you up with it:))
You know what.. .I'm really surprised that DICE is still a part of BOB.
I mean there is flaming and smack from all BOB corporations in this war, to be exepected honestly. But every time a DICE member posts complete nonsense like this (Oh wait, that's just about every single one of their posts)I think it must kill about a billion brain cells from the BOB collective. Embarrassing, really.
And for the guy that said they were celebrating some member's 75th... nice. But Age is measured in more ways then chronologically. It can also be measured in pure level of maturity which it seems you guys, in DICE, are SADLY lacking.
At least the spin from people like DB and others is beyond 5th grade, school yard, talk.
edit: Bloody typo
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:54:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: DB Preacher
[...] 1000 bs kills [...]
Yet, you have Mcreedy saying that everything is going to plan for ASCN..... so it must be part of the greater plan.
One I fail to see the logic in.
dbp
We lose ships because we bring them to the fight, and learn.
People need to learn to pvp, fcs need to learn fcing and the command infrastructure need to be created - in the process a lot of bses will obviously get wasted.
I am not saying the "greater plan" is a perfect one, but the losses mean there is progress being done if anything, they arent evidence of a flaw in the plan itself.
Tbh, if you wanna discredit the leadership, you should try other routes and leave the killboards alone.
There is a difference in saying "We lost a 1000 but are learning" and saying "We lost a 1000 but we killed more, are coming out on top, did more damage isk-wise, but are still on target etc etc".
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BlackRain
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 12:02:00 -
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I don't think it will come down to the ability to replace ships in terms of isk and resources as much as the will to put the effort in in order to actually do it after getting blown up to pieces again and again. Especially if getting replacements close by becomes a non-automated process due to the logistics disruption. That is when you measure an alliance and the player material it has.
We can do it, we want to do it. That's what this alliance is about. We can go on fighting like this forever, and personally I hope we will do just that. I don't want this to end because so far this has been most fun I've had in this game for a long while. Action, drama and thrill all in one package. Me likey.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 12:10:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Darcuese on 24/10/2006 12:14:21
I appologize for my corp members, myself and our childish behaviour.
We had discussion among us and next time when we see you in space, will try to arange a game of bridge and cup of tea....oh,yes, please bring some cooky along so we can at least try to have grownup and polite disccusion...and make this world a better place
note to my hunny...*Darling ,please forgive me but i wanna have some nice chit chat with some internet ppl. No...no...I cant go to bed tonight. Would rather solve some world problems instead on local...sry"
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