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ASCN High Command firmly holds the position that ex alliance members cannot be considered credible sources of information, and John McCreedy personally noted:
"I can categorically tell you that that is not true. I personally sent both an Alliance mail and made a forum post on our internal boards stating clearly that if you where running low on cash, to contact your CEO who would then make a list and send it to HC in order for us to keep track of participation levels during major combat operations."

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Originally by: ElCoCo

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Can we have a response with some nice statistics?

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Originally by: Jiara Castoumi

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D2 is lead by the same people who lead xetic down the drain

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: Jiara Castoumi

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D2 is lead by the same people who lead xetic down the drain

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There I fixed it for you.

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Originally by: Jiara Castoumi

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: Jiara Castoumi

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D2 is lead by the same people who lead xetic down the drain

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There I fixed it for you.

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not really, Cyvoks the president of ascn and he was the one who took everything xetic had worked for to setup ascn. Oh dont get me wrong Xetic would have still died but it would have taken longer.

And im seeing the same thing happening now in ascn as it happened in Xetic.
History repeats itself for those that do not learn from it.

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Originally by: Dragerest

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: Jiara Castoumi

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: Jiara Castoumi

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D2 is lead by the same people who lead xetic down the drain

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There I fixed it for you.

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not really, Cyvoks the president of ascn and he was the one who took everything xetic had worked for to setup ascn. Oh dont get me wrong Xetic would have still died but it would have taken longer.

And im seeing the same thing happening now in ascn as it happened in Xetic.
History repeats itself for those that do not learn from it.

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While I agree, ASCN are going to die (PAY UP OR DIE *****ES!), when CYVOK did that, xetic was dead already. Xetic was lead to destruction due to poor leadership by the more... lets say... German corps.

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who are you? spaming the forums doesn't make you a OMGUBER player. they let you out of special ED a couple hours early cus they find you to retarded, and now you know all of eve... not bad for a 2006 boy

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Originally by: Coupo

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Is there a pot of gold at the end of your Rainbow, Jesus?

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: Dragerest

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: Jiara Castoumi

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: Jiara Castoumi

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D2 is lead by the same people who lead xetic down the drain

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There I fixed it for you.

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not really, Cyvoks the president of ascn and he was the one who took everything xetic had worked for to setup ascn. Oh dont get me wrong Xetic would have still died but it would have taken longer.

And im seeing the same thing happening now in ascn as it happened in Xetic.
History repeats itself for those that do not learn from it.

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While I agree, ASCN are going to die (PAY UP OR DIE *****ES!), when CYVOK did that, xetic was dead already. Xetic was lead to destruction due to poor leadership by the more... lets say... German corps.

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who are you? spaming the forums doesn't make you a OMGUBER player. they let you out of special ED a couple hours early cus they find you to retarded, and now you know all of eve... not bad for a 2006 boy

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I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.

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Originally by: Coupo

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Is there a pot of gold at the end of your Rainbow, Jesus?

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Originally by: Itto'Ryu

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Didn't expect things to turn out this bad so early.
But from what i have read so far your one of many people who is activly having problems like this.

GL: to ya whereever you go, IntegralHellsing

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Originally by: der Frevler

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btw, RJ and I may be 2006 chars, but we have learned everything we need to know about you scum (D2) and ASCN (more chum) from tk8's flash vids.

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Originally by: RogueWing

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Originally by: der Frevler

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btw, RJ and I may be 2006 chars, but we have learned everything we need to know about you scum (D2) and ASCN (more chum) from tk8's flash vids.

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Kinda like:

"No, I'm not a doctor....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night."

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Originally by: Murukan

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TBH integral (love that show) it looks poor on your part to be instigating a smear campaign as such. If you have past grievences they could be handled internally especially when your former organization is already under siege, piling more on just makes you look very bitter. Plus BoB has the Mcreedy slamming covered pretty well already

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Originally by: IntegralHellsing

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Originally by: Murukan

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TBH integral (love that show) it looks poor on your part to be instigating a smear campaign as such. If you have past grievences they could be handled internally especially when your former organization is already under siege, piling more on just makes you look very bitter. Plus BoB has the Mcreedy slamming covered pretty well already

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No, I don't have any PAST grievences. Plus McCreedy is still lying to public despite BoB pounding on him.

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Originally by: RogueWing

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Originally by: der Frevler

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btw, RJ and I may be 2006 chars, but we have learned everything we need to know about you scum (D2) and ASCN (more chum) from tk8's flash vids.

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Kinda like:

"No, I'm not a doctor....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night."

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Originally by: RogueWing

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Kinda like:

"No, I'm not a doctor....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night."

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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"Just please believe in me I know that I can
win this for us. I have the ability and experience to do destroy BoB..."

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Originally by: IntegralHellsing

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1. Creedy NEVER sent the mails and made the Forum Posts.
(maybe he did just after i left. but not like i care.)

will write more later.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Edited by: Evil Thug on 23/10/2006 18:18:34
Rifter with fitting = 5 minutes of ratting in 0.0

By posting there "how bad my ex-alliance is" you aren`t scoring points. If you are so ****ed - go kill ASCN. But don`t do that on forum. This is looks pity.

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Originally by: Marfew Jae

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You dont know and you dont care?I suggest you ask for the thread to be locked then

werent you the person that complained cos when you were in ASCN nobody told you we were building a Titan?Are you not the person who felt bitter cos you had helped mine minerals for the Titan project and wanted paying?Like ET said it takes 5 minutes to get enough isk together to fit a PvP ship.You sound like a real team player.gl in your new corp

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Originally by: Mace Ardguy

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Originally by: IntegralHellsing

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bitterness

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TBH to me all this just looks like bitterness after getting kicked out of ASCN.

Stop stressing about it, get over it and move on. The game is more fun without all this bitterness.

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Originally by: NATMav

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Makes one wonder what a bunch of carebears blow all their ISK on.

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Originally by: IntegralHellsing

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Originally by: Marfew Jae

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You dont know and you dont care?I suggest you ask for the thread to be locked then

werent you the person that complained cos when you were in ASCN nobody told you we were building a Titan?Are you not the person who felt bitter cos you had helped mine minerals for the Titan project and wanted paying?Like ET said it takes 5 minutes to get enough isk together to fit a PvP ship.You sound like a real team player.gl in your new corp

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to all your questions: a big fat NO.

1. i didn't need info. what i was disappointed was that CYVOK NEVER consulted any of the member corps' CEO or directors and used the money on his own accord. oh, it was all for security reasons, right? and he had the right to use all that money without informing the member corps? (I actually talked to one of the CEO in ASCN and he was angry because of this.)

2. I don't need paying. I had the paying already, by ratting or mining, duh. the whole point of joining alliance/corp is that you help them, and you get to use something you wouldn't have access to.
in this case, it was ASCN stations and territories. why the heck would i ask for more?

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Your post dated 2006-10-21 at 09.10 suggests that you are in some way unhappy that some of your minerals and isk was used and that more people were not told about the Titan.I'm sorry if I,like everybody else, have misinterpreted this post and all your others as you feeling bitter and whining.

Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: ElCoCo

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Can we have a response with some nice statistics?

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Well 50% was a bit of an understatement. While I agree BoB are killing them a bit. really We are doing the majority of the work. I would say 55-65% FUSED, and the rest BoB. There, is that a good enough statistic for you?

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Originally by: ElCoCo

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: ElCoCo

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Can we have a response with some nice statistics?

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Well 50% was a bit of an understatement. While I agree BoB are killing them a bit. really We are doing the majority of the work. I would say 55-65% FUSED, and the rest BoB. There, is that a good enough statistic for you?

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Meh I wan't reffering to you/BoB... um... nvm

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Edited by: Evil Thug on 23/10/2006 18:18:34
Rifter with fitting = 5 minutes of ratting in 0.0

By posting there "how bad my ex-alliance is" you aren`t scoring points. If you are so ****ed - go kill ASCN. But don`t do that on forum. This is looks pity.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 19:31:30
Oh though I rarely respond to forum posts, nor do I bother to read them much anymore due to the loss in brain cells from reading pages of absolute drivel with no real substance, I felt compelled to respond.

I am the CEO of the corporation where Integral was a member (this is my main, and you can check the Corp. status for my name as the CEO for The Out Siders, as well validate that Integral was in fact a member of my corporation).

Every corp. / alliance has weak members (Bob has them, just like everybody else). My thoughts where from the beginning is that the weak members would leave the corporation and ASCN, leaving only the strong members, and this in turn would help my corporation and the alliance become an even stronger alliance then we are today (DarwinÆs survival of the fittest mentality)

I'll sum this up very easily. Integral lost 2 ships worth about 50 million while fighting for ascn. 1 enyo and 1 Taranis. Only 1 of these losses (the enyo) was to Bob in TCAG, the other was down in stain somewhere where he was probably running back to empire and got ganked on the way. He was able to participate in fleet ops which awarded him with 7 Bob kills in Bob space (TCAG).

So quite simply the fact that Integeral is complaining that he lost 50 mil and now could not afford another ship is pretty laughable to be honest. If he could not afford another ship then he doesnÆt belong in my corporation or any 0.0 space in my opinion.

And last, Integeral was in Huzzah federation before my corporation, where we see the same "oh no I got killed let me run and hide" mentality which caused an entire alliance to fold in 1 weekend.

So in summary...

Integral is complaining about logistics when he only lost 50 mil in assets (thatÆs about 2 hours of ratting).

He talks about logistics problems even though he never ordered (nor flew) any battleships, and was only a low level newer member and therefore unaware of any logistics outputs or mineral supplies.

He shows the same "I quit and I'll go hide in empire" mentality that was obviously prevalent in Huzzah, even though when he was fighting with us we were able to give him a 7 / 1 kill ratio (86%) against a pure PVP alliance like BOB.

Integral was not kicked from the corporation / alliance, but in typical fashion decided to run and hide. My point is that Integral is probably where he belonged all along, in empire.

So there it is, the facts (I know facts don't belong in these forums ).

You can validate the kills / losses for integral on the ASCN killboards. You will also see that he has only 1 loss while in Huzzah and no kills So yes, the word bitter pretty much just sums it up.

Thanks for your time.

XoPhyte

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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And last, Integeral was in Huzzah federation before my corporation, where we see the same "oh no I got killed let me run and hide" mentality which caused an entire alliance to fold in 1 weekend.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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dear XoPhyte,
after reading your reply i guess im not alone if i say your post raised 3 interesting questions for me:

1) if the op is due to his "low" losses, "just 50 mil" not valueable enough for your alliance to respect his views, how about the other 5k of your pilots ? Since the op practically lost more then your average alliancemember did ever since the war started: 5k members 50 bln losses = 10 mil average loss per member. So its safe to say this guy took individually way more damage then average joe did.
Maybe you should start to clean out all the guys who lost less then 50 mil since those clearly seem to lack the will to support your cause, no ?

2) if the op with his 7:1 k/d ratio is not good enough for your armed forces and clearly shows "run and hide" characteristics and belongs to empire. What does it say about the rest of your alliance which seems to have individually spread out on all of your 5k pilots far worse stats ? Infact that dude pulled prolly more weight then 3k of your guys together who never made it to tcag in the first place.

3) How can an alliance which is proud to cover all aspects of eve equally and pretends there is no tension between pvpers and non combat personal criticize someone based on "combat stats" and quote darwins theory ? Darwin quote only covers individuals not a group. So in short you feel superior to the non combat personal of your alliance ? Contradicts your previous posts which were colored of equality and fraternity within all branches of your alliance.

Honestly said i think that you did yourself no favour with this post of yours. You clearly show the average joe in Ascn that unless he loses a carrier his losses are "unimportant" and that those who speak up against your failing leadership are called names despite their achievements and activities which (atleast in this case) often outclass the majority of your alliancepilots.
Last but not least you also show quiet well that there is indeed a 2 sided society in Ascn where in peacetimes builders and freeloaders are called equals and in wartimes get shouted at for not pulling the weight.
Understandable tho if you want the limelight of outposts and titans build by those carebears while u get schooled in this war because of your pathetic combatabilities.
The own alliance is always the easiest to blame, especially those who see the light and leave in one piece while they still can (like the op).

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 23/10/2006 20:14:59

Originally by: XoPhyte

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And last, Integeral was in Huzzah federation before my corporation, where we see the same "oh no I got killed let me run and hide" mentality which caused an entire alliance to fold in 1 weekend.

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Hmm, didn't a large chunk of huzzah come across and are now fighting alongside u guys in asnc and axe?

Not exactly a clever thing to say about your brothers in arms tbh.

dbp

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 23/10/2006 20:14:59

Originally by: XoPhyte

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And last, Integeral was in Huzzah federation before my corporation, where we see the same "oh no I got killed let me run and hide" mentality which caused an entire alliance to fold in 1 weekend.

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Hmm, didn't a large chunk of huzzah come across and are now fighting alongside u guys in asnc and axe?

Not exactly a clever thing to say about your brothers in arms tbh.

dbp

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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And last, Integeral was in Huzzah federation before my corporation, where we see the same "oh no I got killed let me run and hide" mentality which caused an entire alliance to fold in 1 weekend.

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Hmm, didn't a large chunk of huzzah come across and are now fighting alongside u guys in asnc and axe?

Not exactly a clever thing to say about your brothers in arms tbh.

dbp

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Stuff

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Failure to read and comprehend 4TL.

From the sounds of it 50 mil is a lot of money to you, you must live in empire. And like Evil Thug pointed out, 1 rifter = 5 minutes of ratting. Perhaps asking someone like yourself to rat for 5 minutes to support a war effort is to much for someone like you, but I expect more of my corporation members (and honestly, they expect more of themseleves). I'm sorry that you fit into the same category as integral (IE. an empire dweller)

After his 1 loss he decided to run and hide. Again, we did not kick him, he left and now whines about his loss. Sounds like running and hiding to me. Where on this point did you get confused?

Where did you see me criticize his combat stats. Please re-read and try to comprehend this time. I said he has a 7 / 1 kill ratio, so I don't understand why he continues to cry about his 1 loss. Integral was a pure PVP character and in our combat wing, not our industry wing. I have no problems with our industry guys mining, they are a critical component to our corporation and our alliance. So again, how did you get confused here?

You compare a carrier loss (1.5+ bil) to 1 assualt frigate (25 mil), I would suggest some basic math classes again. Please try to bring up viable points next time

You talk about our pathetic pvp skills; you must be one of the simple minded people that believe all the propaganda you read on these forums.

So in response Kcel, I don't believe that YOU did yourself a favor with your post.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 20:27:41

Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Stuff

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You attempt to compare a carrier loss (1.5+ bil) to 1 assualt frigate (25 mil) is sad to be honest, I would suggest some basic math classes again to see if you can calculate a true comparison next time. Please try to bring up viable points next time

You talk about our pathetic pvp skills; you must be one of the simple minded people that believe all the propaganda you read on these forums.

So in response Kcel, I don't believe that YOU did yourself a favor with your post.

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: NATMav

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Makes one wonder what a bunch of carebears blow all their ISK on.

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They would be wise to spend some ISK on us, and pay our wage.. We will then ignore their flamboyant heterosexual reproduction and move on.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 20:40:57
I knew the BOB spin machine would start up soon, I guess facts will go out the door now .

And here comes the bob + alts (how uber we really are) aka, BOB forum blobbing, err whoring, err, you get the point.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 20:40:57
I knew the BOB spin machine would start up soon, I guess facts will go out the door now .

And here comes the bob + alts (how uber we really are) aka, BOB forum blobbing, err whoring, err, you get the point.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 20:40:57
I knew the BOB spin machine would start up soon, I guess facts will go out the door now .

And here comes the bob + alts (how uber we really are) aka, BOB forum blobbing, err whoring, err, you get the point.

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so after the insults, the namecalling and a bunch of purely made up assumptions didnt help you throw your toys back in the sandbox and start to stomp out calling everyone who proofed you wrong "forum *****s and blobbers" ?

Seems you lost that argument already before you made your first post if that was your plan.

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Originally by: LUKEC

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I'm waiting just for you in gq2.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 23/10/2006 20:44:17

Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 20:40:57
I knew the BOB spin machine would start up soon, I guess facts will go out the door now .

And here comes the bob + alts (how uber we really are) aka, BOB forum blobbing, err whoring, err, you get the point.

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so after the insults, the namecalling and a bunch of poorly made up assumptions didnt cut it you throw your toys back in the sandbox and start to stomp out calling everyone who proofed you wrong "forum *****s and blobbers" ?

Seems you lost that argument already before you made your first post if that was your plan.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Where did you see me criticize his combat stats. Please re-read and try to comprehend this time. I said he has a 7 / 1 kill ratio, so I don't understand why he continues to cry about his 1 loss.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 20:40:57
I knew the BOB spin machine would start up soon, I guess facts will go out the door now .

And here comes the bob + alts (how uber we really are) aka, BOB forum blobbing, err whoring, err, you get the point.

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so after the insults, the namecalling and a bunch of purely made up assumptions didnt help you throw your toys back in the sandbox and start to stomp out calling everyone who proofed you wrong "forum *****s and blobbers" ?

Seems you lost that argument already before you made your first post if that was your plan.

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Huh? Nobody "proofed" me wrong. You and your friends want to spin facts and spread rumors, nothing more then that.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 20:43:09
I knew the BOB spin machine would start up soon, I guess facts will go out the door now .

And here comes the bob + alts (with the typing on one hand how uber they all are, and god knows what with the other).

Yes, comparing my remarks about 1 ex-huzzah member indicates that all ex-huzzah members are bad. Sorry Bob and alts, not even you can spin that.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 20:49:05

Originally by: LUKEC

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I'm waiting just for you in gq2.

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Touch a nerve did I?

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Originally by: Chrony

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Well at least the forums arnt boring anymore.

But the one thing that really made me smile was that I found CLS members npcing in southern Feythabolis during this so called "All Hands Call" from last weekend. Even McCreedy was down there, im wondering why he wasnt at the "frontline" in TBAG.

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Originally by: Trepkos

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The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.

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Originally by: Slowboat

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What I find funny is how the OP stopped posting once his ex-CEO posted the circumstances behind his leaving the alliance.... and BOB defending him. LOL.


Pure propoganda gold man.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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I'll put this back again since bob wants to hide the facts regarding 1 member that left with random posts (not quite sure why tbh)

Oh though I rarely respond to forum posts, nor do I bother to read them much anymore due to the loss in brain cells from reading pages of absolute drivel with no real substance, I felt compelled to respond.

I am the CEO of the corporation where Integral was a member (this is my main, and you can check the Corp. status for my name as the CEO for The Out Siders, as well validate that Integral was in fact a member of my corporation).

Every corp. / alliance has weak members (Bob has them, just like everybody else). My thoughts where from the beginning is that the weak members would leave the corporation and ASCN, leaving only the strong members, and this in turn would help my corporation and the alliance become an even stronger alliance then we are today (DarwinÆs survival of the fittest mentality)

I'll sum this up very easily. Integral lost 2 ships worth about 50 million while fighting for ascn. 1 enyo and 1 Taranis. Only 1 of these losses (the enyo) was to Bob in TCAG, the other was down in stain somewhere where he was probably running back to empire and got ganked on the way. He was able to participate in fleet ops which awarded him with 7 Bob kills in Bob space (TCAG).

So quite simply the fact that Integeral is complaining that he lost 50 mil and now could not afford another ship is pretty laughable to be honest. If he could not afford another ship then he doesnÆt belong in my corporation or any 0.0 space in my opinion.

And last, Integeral was in Huzzah federation before my corporation, where we see the same "oh no I got killed let me run and hide" mentality which caused an entire alliance to fold in 1 weekend.

So in summary...

Integral is complaining about logistics when he only lost 50 mil in assets (thatÆs about 2 hours of ratting).

He talks about logistics problems even though he never ordered (nor flew) any battleships, and was only a low level newer member and therefore unaware of any logistics outputs or mineral supplies.

He shows the same "I quit and I'll go hide in empire" mentality that was obviously prevalent in Huzzah, even though when he was fighting with us we were able to give him a 7 / 1 kill ratio (86%) against a pure PVP alliance like BOB.

Integral was not kicked from the corporation / alliance, but in typical fashion decided to run and hide. My point is that Integral is probably where he belonged all along, in empire.

So there it is, the facts (I know facts don't belong in these forums ).

You can validate the kills / losses for integral on the ASCN killboards. You will also see that he has only 1 loss while in Huzzah and no kills So yes, the word bitter pretty much just sums it up.

Thanks for your time.

XoPhyte

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Originally by: Slowboat

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OH DB.. for shame. Your losing your touch. That is easily countered by the simple fact that the ones that joined ASCN ARE the fighters of Huzzah who didn't have that attitude.

I think you need a refresher course at the Jedi Smack Academy.

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Originally by: HostageTaker

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More Bob drivel

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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Am I missing somthing ?

What facts

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 21:13:34

Originally by: HostageTaker

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More Bob drivel

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Originally by: HostageTaker

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HostageTaker your attempts to SPIN the OP's Ex-CEO are quite laughable. They scream "oh crap oh crap we have an ASCN CEO posting facts! SPIN control! SPIN CONTROL!!"

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Originally by: LUKEC

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Edited by: LUKEC on 23/10/2006 21:16:58

Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 21:13:34

Originally by: HostageTaker

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More Bob drivel

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http://www.eve-evol.com/draximus/ascn_whine.mp3


Just to spice soup.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 23/10/2006 21:13:34

Originally by: HostageTaker

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More Bob drivel

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I know Bob doesn't like us posting facts,...

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Originally by: HostageTaker

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The OP doesn't strike me as bitter, more like disappointed and fed up.

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Originally by: IntegralHellsing

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I left ascn because I couldnt be harsed dealing with a challenging situation and now I am venting some frustration on the eve-o forums hoping I can get myself a pat on the back.

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Originally by: Red Six

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How dare you insult my friends in such a manner without ever dragging your pathetic butt on to the battlefield. I see plenty of your corp there but odd you don't show at all considering this is your "main" character I find that pathetic esepcially considering you insult others about running and hiding. You hypocrite.

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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I used to hold Band of Brothers members in high regard.

After all this time, I still had a few friends in BoB.

I've come to an epiphany after all the forum sillyness, being smacked in local every time I change systems, TS and Forum spying, shady offers and everything else of the last month.

The gleam which shone on the Band of Brothers alliance to me is gone. It's been tarnished by the way you've all carried yourselves.

I expected great fights, friendly banter and most of all, fun.

What I've seen doesn't resemble that in the slightest.

And Demonizing our leadership? If anything, I hold them in higher regard now than I did before this all started.

Bottom line, how do you want to be remembered in Eve when this is all said and done?

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Originally by: Red Six

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stuff

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members.

And we have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I know I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me.

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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I used to hold Band of Brothers members in high regard.

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Originally by: Eridu Fallen

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Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.

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Originally by: Red Six

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Sorry, I missed that as I am posting from work and had about a two hour interruption from start of my post to the time I posted it and did not read what had been posted since.

And for the record even though I am in BoB, I've been gaming with Arsclan since 1999 so yes you royally ****ed me off. Some of the ArsC guys are personal friends out of game and this game don't mean squat when it comes to friends. I'll stick up for them when they are insulted.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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I said that Huzzah failed because corps or members did not show up on the battlefield. So you are saying that all Huzzah did show up on the battlefield?

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members.

We have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me.

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Originally by: Daald

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Edited by: Daald on 23/10/2006 21:40:40

Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members.

And we have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I know I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me.

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See...too much effort and way too straightforward.. Try for something more subtle.

Go along the lines of: "Gung, I am sorry that your perception has changed in that manner. Please realize that this is only a game and we are only playing a role. I have to say though that some of the conversations that I have read from your leaders have left me a bit....cold. I don't know, make up your own mind about it but if you ever want to know our point of view just convo me anytime."


See, something like that works much better for propaganda

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Originally by: Daald

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Edited by: Daald on 23/10/2006 21:40:40

Go along the lines of: "Gung, I am sorry that your perception has changed in that manner. Please realize that this is only a game and we are only playing a role. I have to say though that some of the conversations that I have read from your leaders have left me a bit....cold. I don't know, make up your own mind about it but if you ever want to know our point of view just convo me anytime."


See, something like that works much better for propaganda

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members.

We have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me.

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Is that ASCN Leadership lied with comments like:

"We've deployed multiple POS in multiple BoB systems"?
"One of ASCN's Carrier Groups just scored it's 100th BoB kill"?
"We can strike in multiple locations similtaneously" (then doing so on multiple occasions)?

And you woldn't want to be part of an alliance who lied to you? Would they be lies like:

"Declaring war on ASCN is a good idea"?
"ASCN will fall within a week"?
"We damage morale within ASCN with a forum war" (where in actual fact it's had the oppposite effect)"?

I do not mean this as a flame, simply to state that you really should reconsider what your leadership is telling you because if they're telling you what they're trying to tell the rest of Eve, it most certainly isn't truthful.

One final thing. Unlike your Leadership and Membership, I've not once said anything derrogatry about BoB Leadership where as you guys constantly refer to me as McGreedy. Whilst I find this rather comical, in the sense that this little more than a playground insult, fact remains it is a continued attempt to be disrespectful towards me. I think that above all else shows you the immaturity of sections of your member base.

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Originally by: Sathrai

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Edited by: Sathrai on 23/10/2006 21:59:19

Originally by: XoPhyte

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I said that Huzzah failed because corps or members did not show up on the battlefield. So you are saying that all Huzzah did show up on the battlefield?

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No; at its absolute best Huzzah could bring maybe 60% - 75% of its online membership to bear for a major fleet engagement, and usual numbers for middling pre-planned operations were more to the tune of 33% - 50%. BoB may chortle at that kind of turnout, but we had more problems with the people who never logged on at all than those who logged on but did nothing for the alliance...when the really big fights were on in Huzzah, you can be sure that we probably had more people there and participating - or trying to participate - than not.

Huzzah failed on the level of strategic planning; we failed to recognize that dreadnaughts were vital as countersiege tools, or, to be slightly more precise, we realized that little fact but failed to take suitable & practical steps to rectify our woeful paucity in capital ships in a timely fashion. In terms of the quality of Huzzah's former membership, I am immensely proud that I fought alongside the majority of them - what they lacked in skillpoints and equipment they tried valiantly to make up for with pluck and elan. Sure, there were leeches and parasites (what alliance doesn't have them?), but we had just as many - if not more! - people who were making free battleships for their fellow alliance-mates, who unconditionally gave isk out to those in dire need, and who were generally unashamed to give it their all.

We were a strange alliance with all sorts of issues & problems, but the "moral quality" of our members was definitely not one of those.

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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You make it sound like me reading the conversations completely invalidates there contents. Yes I have read the conversations, Yes I've listened to you argue on teamspeak, yes I've watched your leaders lie to your memebers.

Not my problem that somone of you seem to blind to see the obvious. Thats why these facts are posted her with the evidence to back them up, so your members can make up there own minds. Me or any other bob memember listing/reading them in no way makes them invalid.

What I really want to know, who is the english guy that was on your TS voicing his opinions. Saying he sat inside the POS for 8 hours waiting for HC to pull there finger out there bum. Then also demanded that McCreedy come down and speak to everyone, instead of sitting in a TS room deligating his rubish. He was cool

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Originally by: Grim Savage

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Please sticky this thread. It is historical.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Thanks Sathrai, that is informative and straight forward analysis which is refreshing in these forums.

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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Originally by: Daald

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Edited by: Daald on 23/10/2006 21:40:40

Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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we have demonized your leadership? They did that to themselfs by lieing to the general ASCN members.

And we have presented you with the facts to make up your own minds. I know I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of a alliance who lied to me.

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See...too much effort and way too straightforward.. Try for something more subtle.

Go along the lines of: "Gung, I am sorry that your perception has changed in that manner. Please realize that this is only a game and we are only playing a role. I have to say though that some of the conversations that I have read from your leaders have left me a bit....cold. I don't know, make up your own mind about it but if you ever want to know our point of view just convo me anytime."


See, something like that works much better for propaganda

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You make it sound like me reading the conversations completely invalidates there contents. Yes I have read the conversations, Yes I've listened to you argue on teamspeak, yes I've watched your leaders lie to your memebers.

Not my problem that somone of you seem to blind to see the obvious. Thats why these facts are posted her with the evidence to back them up, so your members can make up there own minds. Me or any other bob memember listing/reading them in no way makes them invalid.

What I really want to know, who is the english guy that was on your TS voicing his opinions. Saying he sat inside the POS for 8 hours waiting for HC to pull there finger out there bum. Then also demanded that McCreedy come down and speak to everyone, instead of sitting in a TS room deligating his rubish. He was cool

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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh

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Further evolution comment is not required in this thread.

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Bottom line, how do you want to be remembered in Eve when this is all said and done?

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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But yes (to a previous poster as well), my assesement of Huzzah was mostly based upon third party information given to me, especially in regards to one corporation in particular that Integeral was a part of when he was in Huzzah.

I do know (that after talking with several huzzah members that are now in ascn), while the war was going on several corps were sitting around mining, never showed up on the battlefield and never offered ships to the combat corporations at a reduced price (IE, they were fattening their own wallets why guys like yourself (I am assuming by your post) were busy fighting on the front lines).

I am suprised that BOB wants to try to churn this into a personal attack by me on to huzzah, I said it was apparent that Integral did not help with the Huzzah war, and though he did help us with our war for a very short time, he decided to leave after 1 relatively small loss. I said that Huzzah failed because corps or members did not show up on the battlefield. So you are saying that all Huzzah did show up on the battlefield?

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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"Declaring war on ASCN is a good idea"?
"ASCN will fall within a week"?
"We damage morale within ASCN with a forum war" (where in actual fact it's had the oppposite effect)"?

I do not mean this as a flame, simply to state that you really should reconsider what your leadership is telling you because if they're telling you what they're trying to tell the rest of Eve, it most certainly isn't truthful.

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/10/2006 23:19:34

Unless your leaders are right there with you on the front lines getting blown up with you, they donÆt deserve your respect. They are using you for their own benefit, freeloading like the RL politicians that send someone else kids to war while their own kids go to collage and their companies profit from it.

ThatÆs why EVERY member of BoB is willing to go to their death without thinking about it if ordered. ItÆs because when I look whoÆs next to me on the battle field, itÆs EVERY BoB Ceo, director and member right there with me. ThatÆs why they are respected. Not because they put up a propaganda post on the forums and go inactive.

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Originally by: elbenito

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The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.

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Originally by: Zrevak Ashek

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SirMolle fights as Shrike and I think BL fights as himself...usually? Atleast I saw them in local alot in our wars against them...

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Originally by: Rainbow Jesus

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Originally by: Coupo

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Is there a pot of gold at the end of your Rainbow, Jesus?

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You sure are a cute piglett! Why dont you come over, and i'll show you the end mf my rainbow!

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Originally by: Matrix Aran

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What I don't get is we have the OP's Ex-CEo here saying "Oh he's whining about 50mil in ship losses, he can make that back in an hour ratting." Well here's a thought: if the OP was flying assault frigs and intys durring his combat time, and he lost both of them. Now you're saying that ASCN doesn't have a logistical problem, he just didn't lose anything worth said support.

Furthermore the CEO goes on to say that the loss could be easily recovered in a few hours of ratting. But if you think about it by those standards he should have a battleship. you would of course had checked his hagers to find that he didn't have one at all I assume. In any case we can assume he didn't have one if he was flying af's and intys this whole time. Which means he could never make the money back on his own. Also I know that with so many all hands calls going out, he would probably be castrated if he was found ratting in a battleship that could be thrown in as cannon fodder to the node deaths.

Seeing as the ex CEO is so atentive, maybe he knows if the OP went and ran away in a BS or a shuttle on his way out of the alliance. Also to be fair AFAIK ASCN's reimbursment policy only delt with battleship insureance, which really doesn't cover assault frigates.

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Originally by: Sathrai

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Originally by: Slowboat

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OH DB.. for shame. Your losing your touch. That is easily countered by the simple fact that the ones that joined ASCN ARE the fighters of Huzzah who didn't have that attitude.

I think you need a refresher course at the Jedi Smack Academy.

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Actually, it was the guys that fought that were the ones who decided to kill Huzzah. As the ones who did the brunt of the fighting and the dying, we felt that we had that particular right. I know because I was there and participated in the Vent discussions about the entire thing. The leadership looked at the situation realistically, considered it effectively futile without considerable & sustained outside capital ship assistance, came to the conclusion that an existence entirely contingent upon the charity of others wasn't an existence worth living, and that was pretty much that.

It's worth noting that just a few days before we decided to close up shop, Huzzah fielded one of its largest fleets ever - morale wasn't a problem; it was a pure, straight up lack of the necessary specialized materiel (read: dreadnaughts). It sounds like that ASCN person listened a bit too closely to the words of certain ex-Huzzah corps, cough cough.

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Originally by: Red Six

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How dare you insult my friends in such a manner without ever dragging your pathetic butt on to the battlefield. I see plenty of your corp there but odd you don't show at all considering this is your "main" character I find that pathetic esepcially considering you insult others about running and hiding. You hypocrite.

It's easy to talk smack about other players when your butt is safe in the rear doing whatever isn't it?

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Originally by: Techtriz

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ROFL, I think BoBs attitude on the forums is a joke and I'm not even ASCN. What's the avg age in BoB? 15?

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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But yes (to a previous poster as well), my assesement of Huzzah was mostly based upon third party information given to me, especially in regards to one corporation in particular that Integeral was a part of when he was in Huzzah.

I

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Originally by: Bender

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Interesting, no the other one ... tedious

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Originally by: CamMan

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fighting in game is fun, seeing all the crap that is written on the forums is *******s. People should just post that facts without their imaginitive "spin" on it.
Perhaps BoB letting ASCN build POS's in BoB space is their plan , perhaps ASCN leroying thousands of ships at BoB is ASCN's plan. Who really cares to be honest, lets just get in game and fight, stop spinning events around master plans etc.

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Originally by: CamMan

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Why do we have to forum war?

fighting in game is fun, seeing all the crap that is written on the forums is *******s. People should just post that facts without their imaginitive "spin" on it.

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Originally by: NeoTech

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Originally by: CamMan

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fighting in game is fun, seeing all the crap that is written on the forums is *******s. People should just post that facts without their imaginitive "spin" on it.
Perhaps BoB letting ASCN build POS's in BoB space is their plan , perhaps ASCN leroying thousands of ships at BoB is ASCN's plan. Who really cares to be honest, lets just get in game and fight, stop spinning events around master plans etc.

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LMAO... ohh the irony

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/10/2006 09:39:42

Originally by: NeoTech

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Originally by: CamMan

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fighting in game is fun, seeing all the crap that is written on the forums is *******s. People should just post that facts without their imaginitive "spin" on it.
Perhaps BoB letting ASCN build POS's in BoB space is their plan , perhaps ASCN leroying thousands of ships at BoB is ASCN's plan. Who really cares to be honest, lets just get in game and fight, stop spinning events around master plans etc.

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LMAO... ohh the irony

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Well no offence, but that isn't ironic.

To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.

That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.

Not counting, shuttles, pods, newb ships, random corporations that have nothing to do with ASCN, not counting random support like CEO pyrex's count of what crap he has killed in Delve.

We have about 65 Battleships to go till we reach that 1000 Battleship number, hopefully we will achieve this in the next 3 days so that we can make it a nice round number for our monthly report.

Yet, you have Mcreedy saying that everything is going to plan for ASCN..... so it must be part of the greater plan.

One I fail to see the logic in.

dbp

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.

That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.

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Originally by: Lucre

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.

That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.

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Sounds impressive. Until you work out that's around 1 BS for every 20 ASCN members per week. Or assuming a net loss of 60M for every BS (which it won't be as many will be tier 1, T1 and/or cost-price - and I'm not counting petition replacements either) a total loss of ... 3M isk per ASCN member per week.

The first weeks of our first serious war in months; a steep PvP learning curve against (we will happily admit this) far more experienced pilots and FCs; horrendously one-sided losses at times as we slowly learn the do's and don't of fleet combat in the node-crash and carrier age. And yet for this you've inflicted a total loss against our BS fleets of 3M isk per member per week.

Per week. Per member. 3M isk. (Or less!)

Do enjoy your kill counting. But fortunately we were able to fit in 20 minutes ratting, so I think we're good to go for month 2 of this little tiff.

Ting ting...

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Originally by: Lucre

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.

That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.

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Sounds impressive. Until you work out that's around 1 BS for every 20 ASCN members per week. Or assuming a net loss of 60M for every BS (which it won't be as many will be tier 1, T1 and/or cost-price - and I'm not counting petition replacements either) a total loss of ... 3M isk per ASCN member per week.

The first weeks of our first serious war in months; a steep PvP learning curve against (we will happily admit this) far more experienced pilots and FCs; horrendously one-sided losses at times as we slowly learn the do's and don't of fleet combat in the node-crash and carrier age. And yet for this you've inflicted a total loss against our BS fleets of 3M isk per member per week.

Per week. Per member. 3M isk. (Or less!)

Do enjoy your kill counting. But fortunately we were able to fit in 20 minutes ratting, so I think we're good to go for month 2 of this little tiff.

Ting ting...

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Originally by: Lucre

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.

That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.

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Sounds impressive. Until you work out that's around 1 BS for every 20 ASCN members per week. Or assuming a net loss of 60M for every BS (which it won't be as many will be tier 1, T1 and/or cost-price - and I'm not counting petition replacements either) a total loss of ... 3M isk per ASCN member per week.

The first weeks of our first serious war in months; a steep PvP learning curve against (we will happily admit this) far more experienced pilots and FCs; horrendously one-sided losses at times as we slowly learn the do's and don't of fleet combat in the node-crash and carrier age. And yet for this you've inflicted a total loss against our BS fleets of 3M isk per member per week.

Per week. Per member. 3M isk. (Or less!)

Do enjoy your kill counting. But fortunately we were able to fit in 20 minutes ratting, so I think we're good to go for month 2 of this little tiff.

Ting ting...

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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[...] 1000 bs kills [...]

Yet, you have Mcreedy saying that everything is going to plan for ASCN..... so it must be part of the greater plan.

One I fail to see the logic in.

dbp

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Originally by: LUKEC

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+ post with your "combat main" (if such thing exists) so we can all see your "proofses" about how well you are doing

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Originally by: Knocturnal

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I couldn't hold myslef down and had to post this :))
2days ago i heard a nice registration from ASCN Ts and stuff i heard was like that
"x : dude don't log in cuz you`ll die . just don't log in go and do what so eva...
y : Hey we`re in BOB`s Space ... We can't do nothing but hey we`re in bob`s space"
Made me laught like 1h... if you need proofs about that just holla at me and i`ll link you up with it:))

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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[...] 1000 bs kills [...]

Yet, you have Mcreedy saying that everything is going to plan for ASCN..... so it must be part of the greater plan.

One I fail to see the logic in.

dbp

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We lose ships because we bring them to the fight, and learn.

People need to learn to pvp, fcs need to learn fcing and the command infrastructure need to be created - in the process a lot of bses will obviously get wasted.

I am not saying the "greater plan" is a perfect one, but the losses mean there is progress being done if anything, they arent evidence of a flaw in the plan itself.

Tbh, if you wanna discredit the leadership, you should try other routes and leave the killboards alone.

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Originally by: Slowboat

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You know what.. .I'm really surprised that DICE is still a part of BOB.

I mean there is flaming and smack from all BOB corporations in this war, to be exepected honestly. But every time a DICE member posts complete nonsense like this (Oh wait, that's just about every single one of their posts)I think it must kill about a billion brain cells from the BOB collective. Embarrassing, really.

And for the guy that said they were celebrating some member's 75th... nice. But Age is measured in more ways then chronologically. It can also be measured in pure level of maturity which it seems you guys, in DICE, are SADLY lacking.

At least the spin from people like DB and others is beyond 5th grade, school yard, talk.

edit: Bloody typo

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Originally by: Tholarim

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Edited by: Tholarim on 24/10/2006 12:20:53

Originally by: Slowboat

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You know what.. .I'm really surprised that DICE is still a part of BOB.

I mean there is flaming and smack from all BOB corporations in this war, to be exepected honestly. But every time a DICE member posts complete nonsense like this (Oh wait, that's just about every single one of their posts)I think it must kill about a billion brain cells from the BOB collective. Embarrassing, really.

And for the guy that said they were celebrating some member's 75th... nice. But Age is measured in more ways then chronologically. It can also be measured in pure level of maturity which it seems you guys, in DICE, are SADLY lacking.

At least the spin from people like DB and others is beyond 5th grade, school yard, talk.

edit: Bloody typo

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The fact that you're surprised that DICE is part of BOB is why you guys (ASCN alt i presume) are losing this war so badly. It's true some DICE members don't talk nice on the forums. It's true sometimes our arguments are flawed, or just pure flamebait. And maybe even BOB members/ directors and or ceo's get annoyed with it.

But you know what? It doesn't matter, since DICE are there on the front line, like all other bob players and corps. We don't care about losses, we care about our brothers. And that's something very few alliances in this game have. I have seen multiple attemps of ASCN members on their internal and these forums to seperate DICE from the rest of BOB. They call us stab*****s, smackers, idiots and crap pvp'ers. But we all know that if we were so crap at pvp, we wouldn't be beating the **** out of you now would we?

Your attemps at seperating DICE from BOB won't work, we're here to stay. And if you ask any random bob member about this, i'm sure they would state the same. But our resolve and hate (the healthy and ingame kind) for ASCN are sure as hell being increased by this.

ASCN better make damn sure they don't lose this war. Since i promise you, if you do, this time we won't let you have any space, or self esteem for that matter.

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Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry

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Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib

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Originally by: Slowboat

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Originally by: Tholarim

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Edited by: Tholarim on 24/10/2006 12:20:53

Originally by: Slowboat

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You know what.. .I'm really surprised that DICE is still a part of BOB.

I mean there is flaming and smack from all BOB corporations in this war, to be exepected honestly. But every time a DICE member posts complete nonsense like this (Oh wait, that's just about every single one of their posts)I think it must kill about a billion brain cells from the BOB collective. Embarrassing, really.

And for the guy that said they were celebrating some member's 75th... nice. But Age is measured in more ways then chronologically. It can also be measured in pure level of maturity which it seems you guys, in DICE, are SADLY lacking.

At least the spin from people like DB and others is beyond 5th grade, school yard, talk.

edit: Bloody typo

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The fact that you're surprised that DICE is part of BOB is why you guys (ASCN alt i presume) are losing this war so badly. It's true some DICE members don't talk nice on the forums. It's true sometimes our arguments are flawed, or just pure flamebait. And maybe even BOB members/ directors and or ceo's get annoyed with it.

But you know what? It doesn't matter, since DICE are there on the front line, like all other bob players and corps. We don't care about losses, we care about our brothers. And that's something very few alliances in this game have. I have seen multiple attemps of ASCN members on their internal and these forums to seperate DICE from the rest of BOB. They call us stab*****s, smackers, idiots and crap pvp'ers. But we all know that if we were so crap at pvp, we wouldn't be beating the **** out of you now would we?

Your attemps at seperating DICE from BOB won't work, we're here to stay. And if you ask any random bob member about this, i'm sure they would state the same. But our resolve and hate (the healthy and ingame kind) for ASCN are sure as hell being increased by this.

ASCN better make damn sure they don't lose this war. Since i promise you, if you do, this time we won't let you have any space, or self esteem for that matter.

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Hmm.. Am I an ASCN alt? Really? Wow. So glad you can see right through me.

Anyways... thanks for your reply. I'm sure it matters a great deal that you are on the front lines oh wait.. you aren't currently are you? According to your killboards you haven't gotten a kill in what.. 5 days?

Last kill in TCAG-3 (19-10-2006 13:46:00) [Details] [Map]

Hmm and your number 9 on Dice's active members. Yeah, your really right there besides your brothers all the time CARING about them.

Anyways, you go right on assuming I'm ASCN. It is AWFULLY amusing watching you do that to yourself...

P.S. Now you'll say if I'm not ASCN why am I bothering?

Simple, really, I like pointing out the flaws in each and every one of BoB's arguments, sometimes there are no flaws... ah well. Fortunately with you and your corp mates posts.. there always is. That's a bit o' alright now in't it?

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Well no offence, but that isn't ironic.

To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.

That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.

Not counting, shuttles, pods, newb ships, random corporations that have nothing to do with ASCN, not counting random support like CEO pyrex's count of what crap he has killed in Delve.

We have about 65 Battleships to go till we reach that 1000 Battleship number, hopefully we will achieve this in the next 3 days so that we can make it a nice round number for our monthly report.

Yet, you have Mcreedy saying that everything is going to plan for ASCN..... so it must be part of the greater plan.

One I fail to see the logic in.

dbp

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Originally by: MarketMouse

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For ASCN its only about preserving their territory. Anyone with an eye to EVE history would recognize that.

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Originally by: Tholarim

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ASCN better make damn sure they don't lose this war. Since i promise you, if you do, this time we won't let you have any space, or self esteem for that matter.

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Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.

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Originally by: Qual

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This was certainly true of FA too. And they where the econimic powerhouse back then.

Didn't prevent BoB from walking all over us. (I was an the FA side.)

I do know my EVE history, thank you.

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Originally by: MarketMouse

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I honestly just don't think you guys get it. You are talking about inflicting losses on some of the richest corps to ever play EVE...do you really think they aren't easily replacing those BSes? With insurance each one of them hardly costs anything.

You guys have finally chosen to attack an alliance that actually cares about its space, and has the resources to basically fight forever. You haven't even reached the POS spam part of the war...how many towers do you think ASCN has stocked away? I would think hundreds...I guess I just don't see the point of your posts about kills/losses. For ASCN its only about preserving their territory. Anyone with an eye to EVE history would recognize that.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.

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Originally by: MarketMouse

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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I understand the war perfectly well. The point of my post is that you guys have chosen to attack an alliance that just might possibly not care as much about ship losses as some of your other opponents in the past.

Yes losing lots of ships sucks and dying in a bubble sucks...but ultimately this war is about staying power.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Actually, the point of your post was to attack my post by making up a point that wasn't the point I was making in the beginning.

However, if you seriously believe that the ASCN dudes don't care about their ships then you don't understand this war at all.

You are correct in one point in your more recent post though but then you did copy that point straight from my post.

All in all, not a very good day's forum posting for you sir!

dbp

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Originally by: MarketMouse

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Edited by: MarketMouse on 24/10/2006 13:33:03

Originally by: DB Preacher

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Well no offence, but that isn't ironic.

To date, in the last 28 days, ASCN have lost just under 1000 battleships to BoB.

That's 28 days... just under 1000 battleships.

Not counting, shuttles, pods, newb ships, random corporations that have nothing to do with ASCN, not counting random support like CEO pyrex's count of what crap he has killed in Delve.

We have about 65 Battleships to go till we reach that 1000 Battleship number, hopefully we will achieve this in the next 3 days so that we can make it a nice round number for our monthly report.

Yet, you have Mcreedy saying that everything is going to plan for ASCN..... so it must be part of the greater plan.

One I fail to see the logic in.

dbp

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I honestly just don't think you guys get it. You are talking about inflicting losses on some of the richest corps to ever play EVE...do you really think they aren't easily replacing those BSes? With insurance each one of them hardly costs anything.

You guys have finally chosen to attack an alliance that actually cares about its space, and has the resources to basically fight forever. You haven't even reached the POS spam part of the war...how many towers do you think ASCN has stocked away? I would think hundreds...I guess I just don't see the point of your posts about kills/losses. For ASCN its only about preserving their territory. Anyone with an eye to EVE history would recognize that.

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Originally by: Robet Katrix

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The thing is that some of the individual CORPORATIONS are rich. beyond belief quite possibly, but they general member of ascn isn't. Most people can stomach a BS loss or two or three. But when your denied the ability to rat and regen the wallet gets slimmer and slimmer and teh fittings on those BS get less t2 and more t1, and then it gets easier to loose the BS. At some point each member has their own breaking point as shown by the guy who lost two frigs and now endlessly flames ascn.

When ascn members start loosing their personal capital ships that is when things will truly start to break. BS losses for capital pilots happen and are generally no problem even fully t2 fitted. but when you start loosing 2-3bil in a minute as your dread explodes? most people cant handle that well. a few can, not many though.

So what is bob doing? wearing down the general BS pilot of ascn. So when the REAL fleet fights start coming ascn, may have numbers but half will be cruiser/frigs and on BS they will be on equal footing.

ASCN HC says what it thinks it needs to say. which makes this all the more interesting.

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Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.

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Originally by: Ian Novarider

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Edited by: Ian Novarider on 24/10/2006 15:36:49
>>> ASCN Carriers destroyed: 6 >>>

Several hundred more to go.

Have fun - we do

Ian




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Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.

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Originally by: Bizarre

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Your argument is almost as amusing as saying SirMolle is never on the frontlines.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Tholarim

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ASCN better make damn sure they don't lose this war. Since i promise you, if you do, this time we won't let you have any space, or self esteem for that matter.

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Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?

Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?

Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place

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Originally by: Techtriz

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Originally by: Red Six

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How dare you insult my friends in such a manner without ever dragging your pathetic butt on to the battlefield. I see plenty of your corp there but odd you don't show at all considering this is your "main" character I find that pathetic esepcially considering you insult others about running and hiding. You hypocrite.

It's easy to talk smack about other players when your butt is safe in the rear doing whatever isn't it?

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Love it when people just read one post, assume something and reply without doing more research, it's a science/ceo alt your dumb ****! Read the damn thread.(Yes, I know it is spelled wrong)

ROFL, I think BoBs attitude on the forums is a joke and I'm not even ASCN. What's the avg age in BoB? 15?

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Originally by: Red Six

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Sorry, I missed that as I am posting from work and had about a two hour interruption from start of my post to the time I posted it and did not read what had been posted since.

Edit: At the time I had started my post you had stated XoPHyte was your main. A main is what you play with. A better way of stating it would have been that XoP was you CEO char only.

And for the record even though I am in BoB, I've been gaming with Arsclan since 1999 so yes you royally ****ed me off. Some of the ArsC guys are personal friends out of game and this game don't mean squat when it comes to friends. I'll stick up for them when they are insulted.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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No problem, I would do the same! Wink And truly I would never insult Huzzah, but more the few greedy players that plague every alliance.

Oh, and XoPhyte IS my main character (IE. he is my first character). However several months into the game I was so busy training corp management skills and science skills I really felt like I was missing the whole PVP side of the game. Therefore I created a new bloodline char that was pure PVP, and it's with this char that I do all of my fighting. So I do most of my gameplay with my main, just my alt does all (or the majority) of my fighting.

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Originally by: Eridu Fallen

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Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.

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Originally by: Red Six

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Originally by: Eridu Fallen

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Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.

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Originally by: Tholarim

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Edited by: Tholarim on 24/10/2006 12:20:53

Originally by: Slowboat

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You know what.. .I'm really surprised that DICE is still a part of BOB.

I mean there is flaming and smack from all BOB corporations in this war, to be exepected honestly. But every time a DICE member posts complete nonsense like this (Oh wait, that's just about every single one of their posts)I think it must kill about a billion brain cells from the BOB collective. Embarrassing, really.

And for the guy that said they were celebrating some member's 75th... nice. But Age is measured in more ways then chronologically. It can also be measured in pure level of maturity which it seems you guys, in DICE, are SADLY lacking.

At least the spin from people like DB and others is beyond 5th grade, school yard, talk.

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The fact that you're surprised that DICE is part of BOB is why you guys (ASCN alt i presume) are losing this war so badly. It's true some DICE members don't talk nice on the forums. It's true sometimes our arguments are flawed, or just pure flamebait. And maybe even BOB members/ directors and or ceo's get annoyed with it.

But you know what? It doesn't matter, since DICE are there on the front line, like all other bob players and corps. We don't care about losses, we care about our brothers. And that's something very few alliances in this game have. I have seen multiple attemps of ASCN members on their internal and these forums to seperate DICE from the rest of BOB. They call us stab*****s, smackers, idiots and crap pvp'ers. But we all know that if we were so crap at pvp, we wouldn't be beating the **** out of you now would we?

Your attemps at seperating DICE from BOB won't work, we're here to stay. And if you ask any random bob member about this, i'm sure they would state the same. But our resolve and hate (the healthy and ingame kind) for ASCN are sure as hell being increased by this.

ASCN better make damn sure they don't lose this war. Since i promise you, if you do, this time we won't let you have any space, or self esteem for that matter.

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