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Rick Dentill Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:14:00 - [61] Originally by: SamtheDog You're not very bright are you? We're still producing..just not SELLING on market. Sorry to burst your bubble..but some people may choose not to produce..but merely research a bpo to keep it out of production. Sam Your not very bright either, since people will always adapt and like as not they will get used to using t1 ships. They might even realise they can have as much fun in t1 ships as with t2 and shock horror pay 1/10th of the price. Either way, all I can say is "Bring it". _______
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:15:00 - [62] congratufreakinglations! doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:17:00 - [63] NPC corps should sell T2! That will put an end to the whinning on all sides. And yeah, the lottery idea sucks!
Roshan longshot Gallente Order of the Arrow	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:25:00 - [64] Good thing I dont fly amarr ships now aint it...Oh this is just too good to be true! I hope all Tech II companies stop selling! Really keep your ships, and when only the few friends and corp mates are flying them. Maybe CCP will decide to seed the npc market with the BPO's. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:30:00 - [65] Edited by: Grash Freedom on 24/10/2006 15:32:59 Originally by: Shameless Avenger NPC corps should sell T2! That will put an end to the whinning on all sides. And yeah, the lottery idea sucks! hm not a very smart idea, eve then will be all about nothing, 90% of what you buy of the market is player made, changing that will screw eve Moon mining wouldn't be needed = imagine how many peeps will be on the streets cause of that trit mining again wouldn;t be needed = why would anyone mine? for what? to built tech 1 ships? but if tech 2 is seeded from npcs then why not tech 1 as well Eve will turn into the game Freelancer, which i played it for 4 days and did 100% of what i could then stopped Thats not CCP's plan In other words, think before posting As for the original post, well your bpo has a certain demand if you do not like the price that sells then do not sell! it's up to you really, do not expect other tech2 producers to follow
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:35:00 - [66] Grash Freedom is correct. I completely forgot about the POS market. But I don't believe in the lottery either. The lottery makes the game unbalanced. What about NPC corps selling the T2 BPOs? Even if they are very very very costly, it will be about effort, not luck.
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Grash Freedom is correct. I completely forgot about the POS market. But I don't believe in the lottery either. The lottery makes the game unbalanced. What about NPC corps selling the T2 BPOs? Even if they are very very very costly, it will be about effort, not luck. Guys invention is coming, i am a tech2 producer and one thing i know for sure, invention will make it possible for everyone to make tech2 items Lottery sucks big time that is true, if you seed tech 2 bpos via npcs( quite a good idea ) but there is one small issue, tech 2 will get again VERY VERY expensive for one reason, Not enough Mining poses and most importantly not enough that worth mining, this will drive the price of tech2 comps up the sky, and tech2 bpo holders will not make isks, moon miners will So again we will have someone to smack for the expensive tech2 items This will eventually make all of us, moon miners till we can't find any moons left which will eventually have the result of 30 dreads attacking your pos because it makes 50 bils a month with minimal work :( It all going round and round, even invention will not make solve the problem for the above reason, tech 2 prices will drop, then skyrocket again, Moon miners will get uber rich either way
Martinez Federation of Freedom Fighters EVE Alliance9673	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:48:00 - [68] i agree with sam, 90% of t2 bpos make little money if any at all compared to the work they take to keep making. you have to gather parts, mins, ships, ect. the amarr t2 destroyer is not the only item sells for practically nothing. the prorator and damnation all sell for little profit at all. and in some cases, like the purifier sell for below cost. now there are some items that are out of hand, 2 of the hacs, cap rechargers, and cloaks. but other than that prices on most of the rest of the stuff should go up as more people want and have the skills to use them. most regions have a surplus in all the items except those. comes down to if you dont like the price dont buy it. but expect t2 prices to keep going up, and we will continue to expect people who dont know much about the t2 production side of it to cry and complain.
RoCkEt X Caldari The Order of Chivalry	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:48:00 - [69] well i gotta say. LOL If i was producing ships and someone offers me a low price i say 'no my minimum price is.....' if you are losing money because ur not getting enough customers, lower ur prices. and if u dont wanna do that. i'd guess 40k people play eve, maybe more, not at the same time but yeah. i am sure at least 2000 of those would pay ur asking price as long as its not extautionat. If people offer you a low price. say 'sorry, if u want it for that u gotta go elsewhere, but i doubt u will find it at that price' there was no necessity for this post. remember you are lucky to have a t2 BPO i know people who make virtually no profit off producing t1 stuff. SO FFS please stop moaning. if u dont like the way ur ship prices are going, make a DECENT post and put the BPO up for auction. Thay way its not ur problem. So stop moaning and move ur droopy butt on. me loves to be nasty, even if it is true.
Redbad Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:18:00 - [70] Hmm, nice test of the workings of the EVE-market, Sam. If your T2 products will go out of stock then a demand on my T1 BPO's should make a better profit. People have to fly something and if they cannot buy your T2 stuff then automatically have to turn to T1 stuff again. Thanks mate! --- embrace the fire from the East.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:23:00 - [71] I'm not convinced invention is going to solve your problems. I can imagine that the skill requirements will be severe. Also the demand for T2 componenets will sky rocket so I'm not sure if there will be a huge drop. To be honest I struggle to find the components sometimes. We'll have to see whether the POS industry increases enough to cope with demand. Alliances will have to stay stable and secure the trade routes to keep the supply coming. POS running is boring and on a large scale downright tedious. I predict no change for a short period followed by an increase in prices. I think they will eventually level out at 75% of what they are now. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:36:00 - [72] Originally by: Valan I'm not convinced invention is going to solve your problems. I can imagine that the skill requirements will be severe. Also the demand for T2 componenets will sky rocket so I'm not sure if there will be a huge drop. To be honest I struggle to find the components sometimes. We'll have to see whether the POS industry increases enough to cope with demand. Alliances will have to stay stable and secure the trade routes to keep the supply coming. POS running is boring and on a large scale downright tedious. I predict no change for a short period followed by an increase in prices. I think they will eventually level out at 75% of what they are now. From what I've read about invention. Most of the parts come from NPC/agents/missions. Which means all those 15-20m skill point mission runners will get into production, because why not? And 200m isk per ship pure profit is a pretty strong motivator for someone that is already doing most of the work anyway. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Paari Cuman Windsor Trade Organization The Imperial Order	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:44:00 - [73] I call all pirates to pop the **** outta this guy. Then we'll see some REAL whining.
Ciphero KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:46:00 - [74] Oh well. I'll just have to spend another 8 days so I can fly one of the other - and generally better - Interdictors. Someone tell me again what's wrong with a 30-40% profit margin?
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:52:00 - [75] I honestly thought I had seen the entire spectrum of ignorance concerning the T2 market in the previous few thousand threads on the topic. However, this thread has proven to me that there is still a vast sea of stupidity and mis-information to navigate. While I do not agree with the OP, it was quite amusing to see every single time-worn anti-T2 producer cliche' dredged up (plus a few new one's) in one comprehensive thread. As usual, eveyone has an opinion... very few have a clue as to how things work and why. Still, it's good for a laugh.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:59:00 - [76] Originally by: Locke DieDrake From what I've read about invention. Most of the parts come from NPC/agents/missions. Which means all those 15-20m skill point mission runners will get into production, because why not? And 200m isk per ship pure profit is a pretty strong motivator for someone that is already doing most of the work anyway. We used to get componenet drops but people said it wasn't fair and they removed them. I can't see that much being dropped in the way of parts as it undermines the POS industry. The POS industry was to give the alliances something to do with all that 0.0. Seeing as most content in the game is for the alliances I would be surprised if CCP undermine it. We'll wait and see. No doubt once its in it'll change over series of patches like everything else. Lets face it they're still messing around with EW. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:28:00 - [77] Originally by: Sahne MuhMuh Heretic? Infiltrator II? Rocket Launcher II? That¦s all stuff that nobody really wants so plz keep your blue toilet paper with you. Looks like that you are some kind of **ed off cause you got only the ** TechII BPOs. blue toilet paper... lol! btw, I quite like Infiltrator II's
Firane Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:29:00 - [78]
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:38:00 - [79] Originally by: Valan Originally by: Locke DieDrake From what I've read about invention. Most of the parts come from NPC/agents/missions. Which means all those 15-20m skill point mission runners will get into production, because why not? And 200m isk per ship pure profit is a pretty strong motivator for someone that is already doing most of the work anyway. We used to get componenet drops but people said it wasn't fair and they removed them. I can't see that much being dropped in the way of parts as it undermines the POS industry. The POS industry was to give the alliances something to do with all that 0.0. Seeing as most content in the game is for the alliances I would be surprised if CCP undermine it. Components for invention (the datacores, interfaces etc mentioned in the blogs) are a completely different set of items to components for T2 production, so there's no cross-over with POS industries. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:46:00 - [80] errr. what is t2?
trimdonite	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:49:00 - [81] after the hp bonus ill probably stick with tech 1 mainly anyway
Skraelingz Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:49:00 - [82] Originally by: SamtheDog I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. GFB still selling Ishtars btw... contact felaste. sam.... grow up. mature player base my ass. -----------------------------------------------
Ather Ialeas Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:15:00 - [83] Originally by: Grash Freedom Not enough Mining poses and most importantly not enough that worth mining, this will drive the price of tech2 comps up the sky, and tech2 bpo holders will not make isks, moon miners will So again we will have someone to smack for the expensive tech2 item I actually checked this a few days ago, only few of the complex reactions are really worth it if you run multiple reactors on a large POS that is as close to Jita as possible. Kinda sucks but hey, what can you do...
Femintaki Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:16:00 - [84] Interesting topic. I currently produce from over 170 Tech II BPOs through T2HL and T2AHL (T2AHL is a player owned corp - limited by shares) and have always tried to be fair and realistic with pricing. Whilst I have bought the majority of my persoanlly held BPOs (won 2 in lottery) I still feel that customer service is paramount and as such will continue to try and make it easier for people to buy my goods. Until recently I sold all my T2 goods via resellers and the truth is we all got rich (as many of them would no doubt testify if they were willing to make themselves known). Moreover, I have also on many occasions given away large quantities of product to people I have met in game (not only long time friends), I estimate I have given away (for free) over 25 billion isk of products in the last 2 years. I now sell all of my items through a single outlet in Jita via the S.T.U.F.F consortium, primarily becuase it gives me more time to play the game as I don't have to sell the product as well as making it (people are right - logistics is a nightmare - but for me that is part of the fun). I count myself lucky I have achieved what I have in this game - it was not luck, it was willingness to take a risk that paid off and I have tried to help others enjoy the game by sharing in my good fortune. Personally, I thank all my corp mates inT2HL, T2AHL and customers - past, present and future - for their continued support, patience and friendship. Love Fem Quote: Do or do not - there is no try!
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:21:00 - [85] Originally by: DazWozUK We will see how much you can really sell t2 for once invention becomes established in Kali. Reep the rewards of those BPO's while you can, the market stranglehold on T2 producers is about to come to end...........I hope :P I really hope it doesn't, what would be interesting about a galaxy where everyone is handed everything? That's one cup of water more at watering the game down. Hopefully CCP will have a clever solution as to not drop tech II to the cellar.
XflygoldX Ceryshen Interglobal Technologies Vanu Space Command	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:34:00 - [86] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. I usually don't bother to respond to posts like this but you sir, make me feel ill. Your post is so full of ecoli layden fecal matter that I want to puke all over the monitor when your post is in view on it! Just for your info, I produce all the components for your precious heretic and can assure you that you either have no clue how to figure out the cost of building something or are just a flame requesting monkey. The profit margin on that ship with max build skills and no research is just under 300% at 9.5mil. To sum it up, you and the rest of the T2 lotto winning monkeys are a bunch of self rightous pigs. Can't really blame you though for squeezing every isk you can out of it. It is not your fault that CCP devised this ridiculous lotto that does nothing but coagulate the wealth of the player base into cess pits of ecoli spitting monkeys! Blah. "The most intelligent ideas take form while you are not there" by; Blah
Khatred OMG I can post in the CAOD section now	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:36:00 - [87] Edited by: Khatred on 24/10/2006 18:43:05 What an OP and what responses, they certainly deserve eachother. To the moron above me: I'm sorry we have to share the same server. _______________________________________________ CondorKestrelMerlinGriffinHeronBantamAtronImicusIncursusMaulusNavitasTristanBreacherBurstProbe \o/ I got Eve content in my sig.
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:39:00 - [88] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. It seems that for us producers..we get spat at for producing the stuff while noobs & whiners have no clue how a logistical nightmare it can be to produce the stuff...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. For you who fly heretics..get used to higher prices..cause I have 25% of the bpo's & am NOT going to sell any. ALL production is going to stay within the corp or with allies who we fly with...& you know what? I'm gonna give them away for FREE! Like infiltrator II's? gone! u need your rocket launcher II's? Kiss those goodbye also. As of now I'm officially going on strike to selling to whiners & will happily stockpile for the corp or allies..but no more to the whiners. We got hac bpo's, drones, ammo, ships, mods & tons of other stuff...& we're stopping production also. You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun. I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. & yes..I know of 4 amarr interdictors that will stop producing as of this moment..& eventually..this will catch on. I you think 11M is expensive...tell me that when you're begging to buy some @ 25M in a few weeks time. Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years. Sam /me puts on his flame resistant suit i feel sorry for anyone that marries you that completly wore me out whine whine whine Cursed Spawn recruitment
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:47:00 - [89] Originally by: SamtheDog You're not very bright are you? We're still producing..just not SELLING on market. Sorry to burst your bubble..but some people may choose not to produce..but merely research a bpo to keep it out of production. Sam you post like this and not expect a response from ccp, whether silent or otherwise? way to fu** yourself and your buddies. dumb@ss.
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:51:00 - [90] I'll believe you when I see it happen. -------------- Dang nabit

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