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SamtheDog	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:45:00 - [1] Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. It seems that for us producers..we get spat at for producing the stuff while noobs & whiners have no clue how a logistical nightmare it can be to produce the stuff...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. For you who fly heretics..get used to higher prices..cause I have 25% of the bpo's & am NOT going to sell any. ALL production is going to stay within the corp or with allies who we fly with...& you know what? I'm gonna give them away for FREE! Like infiltrator II's? gone! u need your rocket launcher II's? Kiss those goodbye also. As of now I'm officially going on strike to selling to whiners & will happily stockpile for the corp or allies..but no more to the whiners. We got hac bpo's, drones, ammo, ships, mods & tons of other stuff...& we're stopping production also. You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun. I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. & yes..I know of 4 amarr interdictors that will stop producing as of this moment..& eventually..this will catch on. I you think 11M is expensive...tell me that when you're begging to buy some @ 25M in a few weeks time. Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years. Sam
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:50:00 - [2] Edited by: darklegionca on 24/10/2006 13:50:36 um ok then...look @ the silly monkey ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Kael D'mende Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:51:00 - [3] Wallet not thick enough ? pfft your the whiner dude ;O) Regards. /Kael
Sveppur Task Force Zener Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:52:00 - [4] Edited by: Sveppur on 24/10/2006 13:52:43 The Godfather
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:52:00 - [5] Now you will have more time to build some Tech2 toys to throw out of your T2 pram...
Jouno Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:52:00 - [6] Edited by: Jouno on 24/10/2006 13:52:21 do you need a hug? isnt the vast ammount of isk enough to keep you warm at night? Look at me i won the jackpot and got a t2 bpo now im better then everyone else whoohoo Pathetic
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:53:00 - [7] I endorse the proposed lack of this product and/or service. ---------- IBTL \o/
Toti Galant	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:53:00 - [8] Originally by: SamtheDog Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years. And you got all that isk how? Yeah, I can believe you got all the T2 BPOs with only 10% profit margin... RIGHT
Ms Chief	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:55:00 - [9] Sounds like you need an excuse to drive the cost up and make more isk, before invention comes out and starts to even out the prices a little and make the tech 2 market a little more competetive.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:56:00 - [10] Someone call the Waaaaaambulance. Your BPOs suck total donkey nuts, anyway. Shove them up your ass and move on. ---------------------------- Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected]) I tried?
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Nicocat Someone call the Waaaaaambulance. Your BPOs suck total donkey nuts, anyway. Shove them up your ass and move on. BURN PWNZORED ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Kalidri Ngyuen Amarr Decimus Corp	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:58:00 - [12] Well personally I'm sick of hearing greedy ,pathetic T2 builders . ***ing about people who don't want to pay the stupidly high prices. You think your special because you have all of these BPO's that no one else can have because you have them .... you would make more money selling cheaper Items anyways becuase people would want to buy off you because you are the cheapest to buy from. I spent 6.3mill on 21 Tachyons the other day , I had to fly 40 jumps to get them , and I resold them all to corp for the same amount , because aeholes like you are rip off merchants so STFU complaining
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:59:00 - [13] Edited by: Valan on 24/10/2006 14:01:32 I have three T3 BPOs. They aren't worth the effort considering the profit. 250mm light artillery 2 Void s ammo (think I've produced one batch) Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner 2 - now this one has made ISK but once I had earnt a moderate sum I crashed the price. The thing with this is it needs strip miners which are 3 mill each. Carrying these in empire with gankers around isn't worth the hassle for a max of 2.5mill per unit profit. These have been out of production for some time so CCP will have no doubt seeded other copies. BTW forget attacking Valan on the off chance he's my combat main and can't even make a sandwich. EDIT: If i had a ship BPO I would sell it. The task of getting the items together and people clamouring for the ships would hound me out of the game. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:01:00 - [14] Cool, if they aren't getting used then they will get reseeded. Hope I get one in the lottery, I'll put it to good use. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Kiata	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:01:00 - [15] And the award for waste of server space for the day goes to.... this thread!
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:01:00 - [16] Fine, form your precious little cartel. CCP will simply see that production has lowered and seed more BPOs. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Laocoon Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:01:00 - [17] Edited by: Laocoon on 24/10/2006 14:01:49 you show me how a vagabond costs 300m to make and maybe I'll listen to you, k? - Lao Veto. Corp
Lord Dynastron	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:03:00 - [18] Originally by: DB Preacher Cool, if they aren't getting used then they will get reseeded. Hope I get one in the lottery, I'll put it to good use. dbp You are correct. Dormant T2 BPOs are re-seeded. How long do they have to be dormant tho is a bit of a mystery.
Kage Getsu Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:04:00 - [19] You should give it to me so you don't have to go through all the trouble of using it. _________________________________________________________
SamtheDog	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:05:00 - [20] You're not very bright are you? We're still producing..just not SELLING on market. Sorry to burst your bubble..but some people may choose not to produce..but merely research a bpo to keep it out of production. Sam
Cailais Amarr THE SEFRIM INSTITUTE	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:06:00 - [21] Originally by: SamtheDog You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun. I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. OH NOES! Tis the end of the world...oh hold up...whats this 'invention' thingy we have here! Times up on your monopoly bud, welcome to mediocrity. C. www.sefrim.com - sig design - eve mail for details
Kage Getsu Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:06:00 - [22] Originally by: SamtheDog You're not very bright are you? We're still producing..just not SELLING on market. Sorry to burst your bubble..but some people may choose not to produce..but merely research a bpo to keep it out of production. Sam Yeah, but since it's oh-so-hard to build, you should just give it to me so you don't have to get all stressed out. You look like you're going to have an aneurism or something based on your first post. _________________________________________________________
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: SamtheDog You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun. I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. OH NOES! Tis the end of the world...oh hold up...whats this 'invention' thingy we have here! Times up on your monopoly bud, welcome to mediocrity. C. BURN!!!!!! ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:09:00 - [24] and people ask whats wrong with the T2 Lotto. To the OP -------------------- SoonÖ Copyright CCP. 90% of what I post is NOT to be takin in any serious way. Empire = Carebears, 0.0 = POS Spammers, TQ = Lag Fest and Eve = Beta. GOD I love these forums.
Kalidri Ngyuen Amarr Decimus Corp	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:09:00 - [25] SamtheDog , seems a very fitting name to have chosen .. as your quiet obviously not that smart are you ? INVENTION is coming soon and as Kali will be on the test server ... about now ... give it 3 - 5 weeks of testing and it will be on TQ, meaning you with your BPO's will be about as usefull as a Vaga with water turrets fitted.
Mnereauris Monicsteaur	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:16:00 - [26] Originally by: SamtheDog Rabble Rabble I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. Rabble Rabble Im sure everyone will listen to you now, you are teh uber!!!1one I hope Kali will burn your prices to the ground
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:16:00 - [27] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). blah blah So almost a 30% profit is not good enough for you You are one of the reasons why I got out of manufacturing in this game... Please rip off your alliance mates and not the rest of us I'll just use named mods/ships. "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:17:00 - [28] /strike New Vagabonds priced at 400M. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Pax Caldaria.
Angxia Gallente Serenity Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:23:00 - [29] Edit the topic of this post to say: I'm greedy. plzthx
Citizen X Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:23:00 - [30] Edited by: Citizen X on 24/10/2006 14:23:47 Edited by: Citizen X on 24/10/2006 14:23:33 believe it or not not all tech II BPO make **** laods of iskies. LOL have a break - you need it!
Tapas	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:26:00 - [31] Is it just me or did the OP just complain over a 35% profit margin and having a good amount of control over the whole market?!?!?!?!?!?! You have enough to last you a few years because you have been bending over the eve community for the last year or 2 with your T2 prices (and not even buying them dinner). Get over yourself, 35% profit margin is good. Try making anything else in the game, if you have a 35% margin you are golden. Oh wait, you are one of those spoiled T2 brats. GOOOOOOOOOO T2 LOTTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Making aholes, one seed at a time!
Sunsets The Knights of the New Republic Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:27:00 - [32] http://www.evetrust.com/group/541/ Tada I solved the problem, where's my cookie?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:28:00 - [33] Shame you didn't post with your main, or you may have suddenly found your corp the first unifying factor in EVE history- every corp and alliance in the known universe would come together in harmony to war dec you. Would have been nice, that there utopia, all because of you! Seeling a ship witha base price of 19mill for 250 mill each is something that deserves whining at- and if you want to keep doing it (which is your right, for the next few weeks at least) you should be prepared to be flamed. Inventions a coming, and then we can all just ignore you and get on with our lives -----------------------------------------------
Khajit Smitty Minmatar MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:29:00 - [34] Lookie its a prime example of how retarted the whole T2 BPO lottery idea is!! To the OP why dont you form an ingame union and rally all the T2 BPO owners together then every 2 months you can strike,protest,toi-toi and throw sticks around and hike the price up by another 50%. I do hope that invention is actually worth while and fixes a really really bad mistake CCP made sometime back. Khajit Smitty throws this monkey a T2 bananna! P.s : im not one for flamming or insulting but you kinda deserve it
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:29:00 - [35] FYI. Sam bought all of his T2 BPO's, he didn't win them. People complaining about Vaga (HAC, etc) prices i understand, but in all honesty the rediculous markup is because people keep buying them. It 'should' be solved to some extent with invention, proberbly because 75% of eve will try and get in on the Vaga prices while they're still high. The argument for totally insane T2 price's and most other T2 mod's people don't have a problem with are entirely different. People expect you to cut your own throat on the smaller BPO's because they're not as popular and just use the 'T2 bpo owner/stupid prices/lottery' argument which doesn't hold true. I can see why he's sick and tired of spending that much effort doing all that logistic to have people DEMAND that he sell's them at a price not worth the effort. Time costs money.
Bl4zer Ubar Asteroid Hugging Collective	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Mnereauris Monicsteaur I hope Kali will burn your prices to the ground I don't think there is any doubt that Kali will make the prices of T2 stuff drop. I know of one corp that used to ignore R&D agents, but are now running them. Not in the vain hope of getting a BPO, but to build up a stock of RPs to buy Datacores. Save the Ubar asteroids
DazWozUK Caldari Syntax Error	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:30:00 - [37] We will see how much you can really sell t2 for once invention becomes established in Kali. Reep the rewards of those BPO's while you can, the market stranglehold on T2 producers is about to come to end...........I hope :P
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Khajit Smitty toi-toi South African?
Khajit Smitty Minmatar MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr FYI. Sam bought all of his T2 BPO's, he didn't win them. Still a prime example of why the lottery sucks, limited availability! My previous comments still stand!
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:32:00 - [40] Heretics suck anyway. Anyone that can fly a dictor can spend a bit of time to train for a decent one.
Lasanna	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:33:00 - [41] Originally by: SamtheDog ...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make) ...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. Sam Yeah, I'd be ****ed if the "opening offer" was only 35% profit. Your proof the T2 lotto was stupid to begin with. Monopolies ALWAYS turn people into greedy dirtbags, happens everytime.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:40:00 - [42] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/10/2006 14:40:23 Do not cry about expensive T2 ships. If they are too pricey, do NOT buy them. Kali is coming. Invention and salvaging are coming. Why T2 ships are expensive? People buy at crazy prices. ISKs grow on trees. No dynamic BPCs. Invention is coming. Once it is popped, buy a new ship. No chance to loot. Salvaging is coming. T2 Mods on the other hand are lootable. They are not totally lost unlike T2 ships. There is nothing wrong with limited T2 BPOs. Price hikes are because people keep buy PWN-mods and PWN-ships. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Pax Caldaria.
Asuna Endorine	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Tapas Is it just me or did the OP just complain over a 35% profit margin and having a good amount of control over the whole market?!?!?!?!?!?! You have enough to last you a few years because you have been bending over the eve community for the last year or 2 with your T2 prices (and not even buying them dinner). Get over yourself, 35% profit margin is good. Try making anything else in the game, if you have a 35% margin you are golden. Oh wait, you are one of those spoiled T2 brats. GOOOOOOOOOO T2 LOTTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Making aholes, one seed at a time! you fail to take into account that the production on those things is about 12 hours mabey more.. 35% profit MARGIN yes, in total though, that makes under 5 mil isk profit per day for the bp, which, frankly, for the effort gathering the stuff takes, is very bad
Khajit Smitty Minmatar MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Pestillence Originally by: Khajit Smitty toi-toi South African? Hell yeah
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:42:00 - [45] Of course, if you don't want to go through the bother of manufacturing, you could just sell BPCs. But that'd be sharing the good toys with the rest of the class -----------------------------------------------
Chalice Ghant	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:43:00 - [46] Meh. seems there are arsewipes on both sides of the t2 fence.
Waldo McBiggs	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:44:00 - [47] I can understand his frustration at the number of items to gather for producing T2 items and alot of people not realizing that time has to be paid for, much like freight charges on a new car. But if you have that bpo, then do yourself a favor, if its a pain to gather stuff up, make bpcs in addition to actual ships, then you get a break from the whole tedium of logistics. At least with the T2 bpos, a profit margin is guaranteed unless your logistics or business sense is impaired.
Silane Daktor Soar Angelic Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:46:00 - [48] @ OP: Big deal. I'll just carry on having fun in T1 ships. Whoop de doo.
Sahne MuhMuh	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:47:00 - [49] Heretic? Infiltrator II? Rocket Launcher II? That¦s all stuff that nobody really wants so plz keep your blue toilet paper with you. Looks like that you are some kind of **ed off cause you got only the ** TechII BPOs.
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:52:00 - [50] So wait, you made billions of isk, in a CCP lottery, and your *****ing about it? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
SamtheDog	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:52:00 - [51] Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 14:52:39
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:54:00 - [52] god today is funny thead day or somthing i havent stoped laughing since i have come online today ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
MrRookie Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:57:00 - [53] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. /me puts on his flame resistant suit I think it's your god given right to exploit the market for the maximum profitt, not the other way arround. Ofcourse, assuming you are selling Vagabonds, Cerberus or other stupidly overprised ships or modules, if not, then I can't see any reason for this pointless rant. A guy offers you a price for the Heretic which you could easily reject, but you decide to come on the forums and act big and scary and waste time whining about whiners. I'm also sorry for all the effort you have to go through to make all the T2 stuff and aparently 30% profitt isn't nearly enough cover all the sweat and pain you suffered making them. With the attitude you have I'm glad I don't fly interdicters and have to deal with pathetic greifers like yourself and contribute to your economy guy being attacked by a pirat in a complex Originally by:* Noluck Ned Notify Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for the gatekeeper to respawn
R Dan Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:58:00 - [54] right, I did write a post that addressed each of your "points" as much as you had them. but then i realised what this is...its troll bait. just because your upset that someone offered you less than you wanted- 9.5million instead of 11million (for a ship that you say costs you 7). well, tough, sell it. dont sell it. its up to you...but what I dont understand is why you brought this too the forums. wanting to feed your ego? PS I dont know who you are, what you sell, or what corp or alliance you are from. It could be my own alliance for all i care. It doesnt change the fact that this is a "knee-jerk" reaction because someone dared to offer you less than you wanted and others say that you charge too much... I do understand what it takes to build these things - so dont bother to call me a noob or a whiner. I also normally argue on the side of the T2 producers and their prices. because a large part of it is that they can sell all their goods at a particular price (so why would they lower it?) PPS Originally by: samthedog So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). and Originally by: samthedog ...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. dont add up...unless my maths is screwie..... or you were exageratting? actually. I'm now regretting getting started on this at all. this is obviously flame bait. and I've fallen for it .... still, i hope someone gets something useful out of it. -before it gets locked atleast. I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler and cAKe - Imaran
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:59:00 - [55] Don't forget that T2 market is not just buying and selling Items. All the moon minerals that are required for the T2 items need to be mined, and POSes need to make ISK equal to what they cost in fuel. If T2 stuff is not being made, the following will happen: 1. Supply will drive up the cost as demand remains constant. 2. T2 component prices will drop, as fewer T2 components are needed for the reduced production. 3. T2 component market will adjust, as supply will decrease to maintain a constant price in the face of less demand. 4. Moon mineral prices will drop, because people will want to sell what they produce. 5. Moon mining will not be profitable, and POSes will be offlined. 6. Ice prices will go down, as less demand with a constant supply will cause prices to decrease. 7. Mackinaw demand will decrease 8. Prices on Named T1 modules will sky-rocket Now... after your strike ends... 1. Component Prices will be huge because people have stopped their reactions 2. ICE Prices will be huge, as people have gotten out of the mining business. So... by going on strike, you are actually raising the cost of components down the line, which is going to increase your per-unit production cost. Not to mention that if only certain alliances have T2 BPOs, there may be more war-decs, so that T2 modules may be slavaged from popped ships. The T2 market has tendrils into many different aspects of the economy. While I don't like buying a Hulk at 450-500mil when I know it cost around 50mil to make, I understand the whole concept of supply and demand, and I deal with it. Some people complain, but they are the people would complain in they won the lottery, and the fake novelty cheque wasn't big enough. By striking, you are hurting many more people than the whiners. Please consider this before you take any actions. Thanks, Paddlefoot Aeon
Norris Neophitus Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:00:00 - [56] I love this thread its just great WAR is ON i wont buy t2 if you wont produce and we'll see who gets rich and has more fun :P 1. Can you prevent you alliance members corp mates and so on reselling at an even bigger profit than you make now or are you gonna keep every t2 item you have and make? 2. What are you gonna do with your spare time in eve, didnt you become a manufacturer cause you enjoyed? If you didn't then why the hell are you manufacturing? 3. I think you may just be ****ing off your customers who probably are now purchasing from corps you dont get on so well with? 4. Are you just angry cause people dont think your the greatest businesman eve has ever seen cause your rich off a t2 bpo? --------------------------------------------------- \|Phoon = biggest baddest ship in eve-------\| \|Oh and somebody kill all those old unused\| \|secure cans (Personal Crusade)------------\|
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:02:00 - [57] SamtheDog wins this years "Most Retarded Post" award.. congrats samtheDog pls tell us how you feel.. I hope you were not stupid enough to post this with your main!
storm2k5	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:04:00 - [58] To the OP: Thank you very much, you made my day. If you stop selling T2 to standard buyers, I will sell alot more at a higher price! Thanks again!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:04:00 - [59] Originally by: Citizen X Edited by: Citizen X on 24/10/2006 14:23:47 Edited by: Citizen X on 24/10/2006 14:23:33 believe it or not not all tech II BPO make **** laods of iskies. Really? /looks at his Rage Inferno Torpedo BPO... Man, I wish, but these things sell cheap, and they sure as hell aren't popular. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Kunming SamtheDog wins this years "Most Retarded Post" award.. congrats samtheDog pls tell us how you feel.. I hope you were not stupid enough to post this with your main! BURN PWNZORED again ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Rick Dentill Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:14:00 - [61] Originally by: SamtheDog You're not very bright are you? We're still producing..just not SELLING on market. Sorry to burst your bubble..but some people may choose not to produce..but merely research a bpo to keep it out of production. Sam Your not very bright either, since people will always adapt and like as not they will get used to using t1 ships. They might even realise they can have as much fun in t1 ships as with t2 and shock horror pay 1/10th of the price. Either way, all I can say is "Bring it". _______
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:15:00 - [62] congratufreakinglations! doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:17:00 - [63] NPC corps should sell T2! That will put an end to the whinning on all sides. And yeah, the lottery idea sucks!
Roshan longshot Gallente Order of the Arrow	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:25:00 - [64] Good thing I dont fly amarr ships now aint it...Oh this is just too good to be true! I hope all Tech II companies stop selling! Really keep your ships, and when only the few friends and corp mates are flying them. Maybe CCP will decide to seed the npc market with the BPO's. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:30:00 - [65] Edited by: Grash Freedom on 24/10/2006 15:32:59 Originally by: Shameless Avenger NPC corps should sell T2! That will put an end to the whinning on all sides. And yeah, the lottery idea sucks! hm not a very smart idea, eve then will be all about nothing, 90% of what you buy of the market is player made, changing that will screw eve Moon mining wouldn't be needed = imagine how many peeps will be on the streets cause of that trit mining again wouldn;t be needed = why would anyone mine? for what? to built tech 1 ships? but if tech 2 is seeded from npcs then why not tech 1 as well Eve will turn into the game Freelancer, which i played it for 4 days and did 100% of what i could then stopped Thats not CCP's plan In other words, think before posting As for the original post, well your bpo has a certain demand if you do not like the price that sells then do not sell! it's up to you really, do not expect other tech2 producers to follow
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:35:00 - [66] Grash Freedom is correct. I completely forgot about the POS market. But I don't believe in the lottery either. The lottery makes the game unbalanced. What about NPC corps selling the T2 BPOs? Even if they are very very very costly, it will be about effort, not luck.
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Grash Freedom is correct. I completely forgot about the POS market. But I don't believe in the lottery either. The lottery makes the game unbalanced. What about NPC corps selling the T2 BPOs? Even if they are very very very costly, it will be about effort, not luck. Guys invention is coming, i am a tech2 producer and one thing i know for sure, invention will make it possible for everyone to make tech2 items Lottery sucks big time that is true, if you seed tech 2 bpos via npcs( quite a good idea ) but there is one small issue, tech 2 will get again VERY VERY expensive for one reason, Not enough Mining poses and most importantly not enough that worth mining, this will drive the price of tech2 comps up the sky, and tech2 bpo holders will not make isks, moon miners will So again we will have someone to smack for the expensive tech2 items This will eventually make all of us, moon miners till we can't find any moons left which will eventually have the result of 30 dreads attacking your pos because it makes 50 bils a month with minimal work :( It all going round and round, even invention will not make solve the problem for the above reason, tech 2 prices will drop, then skyrocket again, Moon miners will get uber rich either way
Martinez Federation of Freedom Fighters EVE Alliance9673	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:48:00 - [68] i agree with sam, 90% of t2 bpos make little money if any at all compared to the work they take to keep making. you have to gather parts, mins, ships, ect. the amarr t2 destroyer is not the only item sells for practically nothing. the prorator and damnation all sell for little profit at all. and in some cases, like the purifier sell for below cost. now there are some items that are out of hand, 2 of the hacs, cap rechargers, and cloaks. but other than that prices on most of the rest of the stuff should go up as more people want and have the skills to use them. most regions have a surplus in all the items except those. comes down to if you dont like the price dont buy it. but expect t2 prices to keep going up, and we will continue to expect people who dont know much about the t2 production side of it to cry and complain.
RoCkEt X Caldari The Order of Chivalry	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:48:00 - [69] well i gotta say. LOL If i was producing ships and someone offers me a low price i say 'no my minimum price is.....' if you are losing money because ur not getting enough customers, lower ur prices. and if u dont wanna do that. i'd guess 40k people play eve, maybe more, not at the same time but yeah. i am sure at least 2000 of those would pay ur asking price as long as its not extautionat. If people offer you a low price. say 'sorry, if u want it for that u gotta go elsewhere, but i doubt u will find it at that price' there was no necessity for this post. remember you are lucky to have a t2 BPO i know people who make virtually no profit off producing t1 stuff. SO FFS please stop moaning. if u dont like the way ur ship prices are going, make a DECENT post and put the BPO up for auction. Thay way its not ur problem. So stop moaning and move ur droopy butt on. me loves to be nasty, even if it is true.
Redbad Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:18:00 - [70] Hmm, nice test of the workings of the EVE-market, Sam. If your T2 products will go out of stock then a demand on my T1 BPO's should make a better profit. People have to fly something and if they cannot buy your T2 stuff then automatically have to turn to T1 stuff again. Thanks mate! --- embrace the fire from the East.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:23:00 - [71] I'm not convinced invention is going to solve your problems. I can imagine that the skill requirements will be severe. Also the demand for T2 componenets will sky rocket so I'm not sure if there will be a huge drop. To be honest I struggle to find the components sometimes. We'll have to see whether the POS industry increases enough to cope with demand. Alliances will have to stay stable and secure the trade routes to keep the supply coming. POS running is boring and on a large scale downright tedious. I predict no change for a short period followed by an increase in prices. I think they will eventually level out at 75% of what they are now. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:36:00 - [72] Originally by: Valan I'm not convinced invention is going to solve your problems. I can imagine that the skill requirements will be severe. Also the demand for T2 componenets will sky rocket so I'm not sure if there will be a huge drop. To be honest I struggle to find the components sometimes. We'll have to see whether the POS industry increases enough to cope with demand. Alliances will have to stay stable and secure the trade routes to keep the supply coming. POS running is boring and on a large scale downright tedious. I predict no change for a short period followed by an increase in prices. I think they will eventually level out at 75% of what they are now. From what I've read about invention. Most of the parts come from NPC/agents/missions. Which means all those 15-20m skill point mission runners will get into production, because why not? And 200m isk per ship pure profit is a pretty strong motivator for someone that is already doing most of the work anyway. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Paari Cuman Windsor Trade Organization The Imperial Order	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:44:00 - [73] I call all pirates to pop the **** outta this guy. Then we'll see some REAL whining.
Ciphero KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:46:00 - [74] Oh well. I'll just have to spend another 8 days so I can fly one of the other - and generally better - Interdictors. Someone tell me again what's wrong with a 30-40% profit margin?
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:52:00 - [75] I honestly thought I had seen the entire spectrum of ignorance concerning the T2 market in the previous few thousand threads on the topic. However, this thread has proven to me that there is still a vast sea of stupidity and mis-information to navigate. While I do not agree with the OP, it was quite amusing to see every single time-worn anti-T2 producer cliche' dredged up (plus a few new one's) in one comprehensive thread. As usual, eveyone has an opinion... very few have a clue as to how things work and why. Still, it's good for a laugh.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:59:00 - [76] Originally by: Locke DieDrake From what I've read about invention. Most of the parts come from NPC/agents/missions. Which means all those 15-20m skill point mission runners will get into production, because why not? And 200m isk per ship pure profit is a pretty strong motivator for someone that is already doing most of the work anyway. We used to get componenet drops but people said it wasn't fair and they removed them. I can't see that much being dropped in the way of parts as it undermines the POS industry. The POS industry was to give the alliances something to do with all that 0.0. Seeing as most content in the game is for the alliances I would be surprised if CCP undermine it. We'll wait and see. No doubt once its in it'll change over series of patches like everything else. Lets face it they're still messing around with EW. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:28:00 - [77] Originally by: Sahne MuhMuh Heretic? Infiltrator II? Rocket Launcher II? That¦s all stuff that nobody really wants so plz keep your blue toilet paper with you. Looks like that you are some kind of **ed off cause you got only the ** TechII BPOs. blue toilet paper... lol! btw, I quite like Infiltrator II's
Firane Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:29:00 - [78]
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:38:00 - [79] Originally by: Valan Originally by: Locke DieDrake From what I've read about invention. Most of the parts come from NPC/agents/missions. Which means all those 15-20m skill point mission runners will get into production, because why not? And 200m isk per ship pure profit is a pretty strong motivator for someone that is already doing most of the work anyway. We used to get componenet drops but people said it wasn't fair and they removed them. I can't see that much being dropped in the way of parts as it undermines the POS industry. The POS industry was to give the alliances something to do with all that 0.0. Seeing as most content in the game is for the alliances I would be surprised if CCP undermine it. Components for invention (the datacores, interfaces etc mentioned in the blogs) are a completely different set of items to components for T2 production, so there's no cross-over with POS industries. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:46:00 - [80] errr. what is t2?
trimdonite	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:49:00 - [81] after the hp bonus ill probably stick with tech 1 mainly anyway
Skraelingz Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:49:00 - [82] Originally by: SamtheDog I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. GFB still selling Ishtars btw... contact felaste. sam.... grow up. mature player base my ass. -----------------------------------------------
Ather Ialeas Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:15:00 - [83] Originally by: Grash Freedom Not enough Mining poses and most importantly not enough that worth mining, this will drive the price of tech2 comps up the sky, and tech2 bpo holders will not make isks, moon miners will So again we will have someone to smack for the expensive tech2 item I actually checked this a few days ago, only few of the complex reactions are really worth it if you run multiple reactors on a large POS that is as close to Jita as possible. Kinda sucks but hey, what can you do...
Femintaki Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:16:00 - [84] Interesting topic. I currently produce from over 170 Tech II BPOs through T2HL and T2AHL (T2AHL is a player owned corp - limited by shares) and have always tried to be fair and realistic with pricing. Whilst I have bought the majority of my persoanlly held BPOs (won 2 in lottery) I still feel that customer service is paramount and as such will continue to try and make it easier for people to buy my goods. Until recently I sold all my T2 goods via resellers and the truth is we all got rich (as many of them would no doubt testify if they were willing to make themselves known). Moreover, I have also on many occasions given away large quantities of product to people I have met in game (not only long time friends), I estimate I have given away (for free) over 25 billion isk of products in the last 2 years. I now sell all of my items through a single outlet in Jita via the S.T.U.F.F consortium, primarily becuase it gives me more time to play the game as I don't have to sell the product as well as making it (people are right - logistics is a nightmare - but for me that is part of the fun). I count myself lucky I have achieved what I have in this game - it was not luck, it was willingness to take a risk that paid off and I have tried to help others enjoy the game by sharing in my good fortune. Personally, I thank all my corp mates inT2HL, T2AHL and customers - past, present and future - for their continued support, patience and friendship. Love Fem Quote: Do or do not - there is no try!
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:21:00 - [85] Originally by: DazWozUK We will see how much you can really sell t2 for once invention becomes established in Kali. Reep the rewards of those BPO's while you can, the market stranglehold on T2 producers is about to come to end...........I hope :P I really hope it doesn't, what would be interesting about a galaxy where everyone is handed everything? That's one cup of water more at watering the game down. Hopefully CCP will have a clever solution as to not drop tech II to the cellar.
XflygoldX Ceryshen Interglobal Technologies Vanu Space Command	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:34:00 - [86] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. I usually don't bother to respond to posts like this but you sir, make me feel ill. Your post is so full of ecoli layden fecal matter that I want to puke all over the monitor when your post is in view on it! Just for your info, I produce all the components for your precious heretic and can assure you that you either have no clue how to figure out the cost of building something or are just a flame requesting monkey. The profit margin on that ship with max build skills and no research is just under 300% at 9.5mil. To sum it up, you and the rest of the T2 lotto winning monkeys are a bunch of self rightous pigs. Can't really blame you though for squeezing every isk you can out of it. It is not your fault that CCP devised this ridiculous lotto that does nothing but coagulate the wealth of the player base into cess pits of ecoli spitting monkeys! Blah. "The most intelligent ideas take form while you are not there" by; Blah
Khatred OMG I can post in the CAOD section now	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:36:00 - [87] Edited by: Khatred on 24/10/2006 18:43:05 What an OP and what responses, they certainly deserve eachother. To the moron above me: I'm sorry we have to share the same server. _______________________________________________ CondorKestrelMerlinGriffinHeronBantamAtronImicusIncursusMaulusNavitasTristanBreacherBurstProbe \o/ I got Eve content in my sig.
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:39:00 - [88] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. It seems that for us producers..we get spat at for producing the stuff while noobs & whiners have no clue how a logistical nightmare it can be to produce the stuff...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. For you who fly heretics..get used to higher prices..cause I have 25% of the bpo's & am NOT going to sell any. ALL production is going to stay within the corp or with allies who we fly with...& you know what? I'm gonna give them away for FREE! Like infiltrator II's? gone! u need your rocket launcher II's? Kiss those goodbye also. As of now I'm officially going on strike to selling to whiners & will happily stockpile for the corp or allies..but no more to the whiners. We got hac bpo's, drones, ammo, ships, mods & tons of other stuff...& we're stopping production also. You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun. I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. & yes..I know of 4 amarr interdictors that will stop producing as of this moment..& eventually..this will catch on. I you think 11M is expensive...tell me that when you're begging to buy some @ 25M in a few weeks time. Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years. Sam /me puts on his flame resistant suit i feel sorry for anyone that marries you that completly wore me out whine whine whine Cursed Spawn recruitment
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:47:00 - [89] Originally by: SamtheDog You're not very bright are you? We're still producing..just not SELLING on market. Sorry to burst your bubble..but some people may choose not to produce..but merely research a bpo to keep it out of production. Sam you post like this and not expect a response from ccp, whether silent or otherwise? way to fu** yourself and your buddies. dumb@ss.
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:51:00 - [90] I'll believe you when I see it happen. -------------- Dang nabit
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:52:00 - [91] Originally by: Red Ochre Originally by: SamtheDog You're not very bright are you? We're still producing..just not SELLING on market. Sorry to burst your bubble..but some people may choose not to produce..but merely research a bpo to keep it out of production. Sam you post like this and not expect a response from ccp, whether silent or otherwise? way to fu** yourself and your buddies. dumb@ss. Why should there be? He's not obligated to sell to the public and who is to tell someone he's researched his prints enough?
Ikonz Loot	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:53:00 - [92] I was goint to reply to the idoicy of this post, but I decided against it as I don't want to be dragged down to the op's level. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes Since when are boobies inappropriate??
Nymos Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:00:00 - [93] who cares? increase your prices for t2 by 2500% if you feel like it. jenny can put up sell orders for vagas at 200 billion. the whole t2 argument is boring enough, everything has been discussed more than enough. we all know t2 prices are retarded. just look at the responses of t2 builders: "stfu noobs, i'll bump the prices a bit higher. and higher. because i can." it doesn't matter if those pseudo economists on this forums say it's "supply and demand". studied that long enough, know that already. oligopoly, yea. not even someone with a real monopoly could act as immature. please, yea, kill the damn t2 market. have prices skyrocket faster. maybe ccp will one day realize that half the skill tree is useless (i.e. inaccessible) and people are too afraid to lose hundreds of millions of stuff that is priced like that because someone feels like it. not because of market mechanisms. the only people that find t2 prices ok are t2 builders and super carebears that never ever lose more than a shuttle. --
coldplasma	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:07:00 - [94] Edited by: coldplasma on 24/10/2006 19:14:07 Thank god invention is coming so I can let my indy alt build my T2 ships instead of these spoilt T2 brats selling vagabonds at 400M. What would also be cool is if CCP saw this thread, discovered your main through tracking your IP address and stripped you of your T2 BPO's. ____________________________ See you in 0.0 kids...
Wilfan Ret'nub Singularity.	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:16:00 - [95] I, for one, welcome our new T2 overlords. ------ No ISK, no fun
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:18:00 - [96] Errm the only true whiner i see is you. Essentially your crying that a 25% mark up isnt enough, look you choose to be a producer supposedly because you enjoy that style of gameplay.... thus we hit the real problem with player crafting in these games... vast majority of people do not like to do it, and instead only really greedy #$%#@$ craft because they want to get loads of easy money. then these same greedy @#$@# get the bpo's instead of the people who actually enjoy crafting and fark up the entire system with thier greed and dislike of crafting. you know what please all t2 producers stop all sales of t2 items FOREVER, the sooner you do it the sooner the rest of the playerbase will be saved from the misery and blackmail garbage the whiners like the OP do to us all, simply because they got lucky in a poorly thought out lottery system. WAIT, you will never stop prodcuing because you are greedy @#$@$#!!@# and can;t imaginbe playing EVE with out your ISK printing machines on, so cut the BS.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:30:00 - [97] What a pathetic whining thread. "Mommy, they don't like me because I'm ripping them off". Stop producing T2 everyone, the sooner you do, the sooner CCP will realize how bad the whole T2 lottery concept is and implement a proper BPO market.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:39:00 - [98] Best fix to T2 whines. 1) Remove all T2 BPOs. 2) Remove all T2 items. 3) Everybody fly T1s and compete in T1s. Everything is cheap. Everything is fun to fly in. Everything is available everywhere. Oh, wait. T1s are the crap and they can never pwn. Need T2s. That is the cause of the problem to be honest. Why should you dictate 25%-35% markup is fair? If it is so fair, why not you go make T1 stuffs at 50k and sell at 100k for 100% markup? Oh, wait. 50k is not profitable. This is the worst attempt at jealousy. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Pax Caldaria.
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:41:00 - [99] guess the OP never thought he would make his corp and alliance a target for acting so unproffesional...guess he will discover this when many gankers start preying on them...
Ogdru Jahad Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:46:00 - [100] what this dumbass is saying is... I will sell to alliance and corp mates. they in return will make a profit off his his stupidity and its his fault... this is a classic case of biting ones nose off in dispite of his face.. can i join your corp ? I feel like lining my pockets through your act of stupidity. - Think your having a bad day? Imagine this, Your a siamese Twin joined at the hip,Your brother is *** & your not, His lover is comming around and you only have one bottom.
Balklanac Freezoner	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:10:00 - [101] Ahhh well its not like the t2 producers allready dont screw with the market this guy just made it public.. --------- I would love to see a bounty pilot get some friend or an alt to pod them to collect the isk if that resulted in a two week delay before their 'personality' was uploaded to a new clone.
Kar'Dargo Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:13:00 - [102] This is a joke and a flame I am sure. I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him. -Mark Twain [IMG]http://group
1of20	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:34:00 - [103] Originally by: DukDodgerz guess the OP never thought he would make his corp and alliance a target for acting so unproffesional...guess he will discover this when many gankers start preying on them... hehe, too true. Good thing he has all that money to use for replacing all the lost ships :) btw, his corp: Singularity(WEWIN) isn't in an alliance :) good time to wardec before he suckers one into letting him join.
Father Weebles Panzershrek Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:51:00 - [104] Originally by: Nymos who cares? increase your prices for t2 by 2500% if you feel like it. jenny can put up sell orders for vagas at 200 billion. the whole t2 argument is boring enough, everything has been discussed more than enough. we all know t2 prices are retarded. just look at the responses of t2 builders: "stfu noobs, i'll bump the prices a bit higher. and higher. because i can." it doesn't matter if those pseudo economists on this forums say it's "supply and demand". studied that long enough, know that already. oligopoly, yea. not even someone with a real monopoly could act as immature. please, yea, kill the damn t2 market. have prices skyrocket faster. maybe ccp will one day realize that half the skill tree is useless (i.e. inaccessible) and people are too afraid to lose hundreds of millions of stuff that is priced like that because someone feels like it. not because of market mechanisms. the only people that find t2 prices ok are t2 builders and super carebears that never ever lose more than a shuttle. couldnt agree more to all tech2 producers/resellers jack the prices as high as you like, pretty please :) "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
implanted Caldari MAJORITY O X I D E	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:56:00 - [105] With a bit of luck, all us non t2 producers will be able to buy t2 bpo's from the market after KALI and you kind of people that take the p1ss will get there come-upance mate. have a look at your own post fffffffffs.
Terminus adacai Caldari Mintaka Mining Inc	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:06:00 - [106] Just remember Karma. What comes around, goes around. What you seed is what you will sow. A 20-30% markup on T2 is reasonable, as the processes for manufacturing are a bit more complicated. There are a few corps that have busted themselves trying to produce or contract the necessary reactions. The problem with this, is it leads to producers jacking up prices. If you withold and do not market T2 items, you will create a shortage on the market that will artificially inflate prices. Other producers will benefit from your actions. Of course, this action may also have a reverse effect and no one will pay the prices, making your bpo's essentially worthless. In order to have a good economy, there have to be willing sellers and buyers. The market can have for sale all it wants. If no one is buying, it is worthless.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:25:00 - [107] Frankly I think that all t2 BPO owners should pay the corps that made them in the first place for the privilage to produce their product. Laidai and Ishukone should be paid royalties for building their ships under license which they are nice enough to let you have. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Jon Boy	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:26:00 - [108] Edited by: Jon Boy on 24/10/2006 21:28:07 Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). You know that most battleship producers make less profit than that for each ship. I shoud also add that this is the most pathetic thing ive seen in half a year of playing EVE.
Zaldoza Caldari Holographic MindWare Constructions	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:44:00 - [109] Ahh cmon poor fool is just afraid he wont make enough isk before kali Zaldoc...Miner Zaldoza..Mission Runner
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:48:00 - [110] Hi sam Long time no see.
Lucas Garin Caldari Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:51:00 - [111] OP = DUMBASS And if he doesn't see why, he's even more of a dumbass.
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:52:00 - [112] I'm truly astounded this thread is not locked. But thanks for the heads-up. I'm going to make a killing in the price spike. :)
Eva Simonson	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:55:00 - [113] When your little plan fails and you emo out and quit can I have your stuff?
Zaldoza Caldari Holographic MindWare Constructions	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:00:00 - [114] Originally by: Shiner BockBeer I'm truly astounded this thread is not locked. But thanks for the heads-up. I'm going to make a killing in the price spike. :) Maybe the devs are just as stuned over the OP as we are,and enjoying the flaming he deserves Zaldoc...Miner Zaldoza..Mission Runner
Illistar DeathWing	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:06:00 - [115] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/10/2006 19:50:36 Best fix to T2 whines. 1) Remove all T2 BPOs. 2) Remove all T2 items. 3) Everybody flies T1s and compete in T1s. Everything is cheap. Everything is fun to fly in. Everything is available everywhere. Oh, wait. T1s are the crap and they can never pwn. Need T2s. That is the cause of the problem to be honest. Why should you dictate 25%-35% markup is fair? If it is so fair, why not you go make T1 stuffs at 50k and sell at 100k for 100% markup? Oh, wait. 50k is not profitable. This is the worst attempt at jealousy. Yeah... a vagabond is really worth the 300k it's selling for now, and yeah that's barly what 300+% profit, that's good enough right?
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:12:00 - [116] i dont suppose anyone knows and is willing to reveal the OP's main?
Aquatica K	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:13:00 - [117] Only read a number of the responses but oh dear we are becoming so USA capitlistic in Eve..the future is bluechip T2 and faction. Are we in danger of making this game so RL that we lose the sense of fun that games are meant to be? Or all online games doomed to greed and eventual decline... Oh anyway what do i care i can move on if necessary.....only a game after all,,,,,,,,,
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:14:00 - [118] Originally by: Nymos we all know t2 prices are retarded. just look at the responses of t2 builders: "stfu noobs, i'll bump the prices a bit higher. and higher. because i can." it doesn't matter if those pseudo economists on this forums say it's "supply and demand". studied that long enough, know that already. So you know its correct. There is literally no situation where a good is being exchanged for money, in any kind of market, that will not behave according to the rules of supply and demand. Prices are that high because thats where the point of equilibrium is, or else producers are the ones losing potential money. Quote: oligopoly, yea. not even someone with a real monopoly could act as immature. What? You're arguing that its not an oligopoly because the people are immature? How stupid can you get? There are simple criteria that define market structure, and the t2 market is a fairly large oligopoly. This is a fact, not an opinion. Quote: please, yea, kill the damn t2 market. have prices skyrocket faster. maybe ccp will one day realize that half the skill tree is useless (i.e. inaccessible) and people are too afraid to lose hundreds of millions of stuff that is priced like that because someone feels like it. not because of market mechanisms. You have absolutely no understanding of economics, do you? If market mechanisms did not support the prices being charged today, NOBODY WOULD BUY T2 SHIPS. The fact they are being purchased means that the price is ok for some people, not that it was set "because someone feels like it." One of the beauties of the supply and demand model is that it ALWAYS applies, with virtually no exceptions. Quote: the only people that find t2 prices ok are t2 builders and super carebears that never ever lose more than a shuttle. And thus, you contradict your previous point. My thoughts are my own and do not reflect those of my Corp/Alliance
Scoundrelus Unseen Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:17:00 - [119] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. It seems that for us producers..we get spat at for producing the stuff while noobs & whiners have no clue how a logistical nightmare it can be to produce the stuff...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. For you who fly heretics..get used to higher prices..cause I have 25% of the bpo's & am NOT going to sell any. ALL production is going to stay within the corp or with allies who we fly with...& you know what? I'm gonna give them away for FREE! Like infiltrator II's? gone! u need your rocket launcher II's? Kiss those goodbye also. As of now I'm officially going on strike to selling to whiners & will happily stockpile for the corp or allies..but no more to the whiners. We got hac bpo's, drones, ammo, ships, mods & tons of other stuff...& we're stopping production also. You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun. I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. & yes..I know of 4 amarr interdictors that will stop producing as of this moment..& eventually..this will catch on. I you think 11M is expensive...tell me that when you're begging to buy some @ 25M in a few weeks time. Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years. Sam /me puts on his flame resistant suit Few points you need to touch on. Firstly, your going to only give to corp/allies? You know what I would do if I was corp/ally? I'd get them off you and sell them on market. Without your knowledge. Furthermore, I've never seen people complain about Interdictor prices (although a few probably do), I always look in amazement at how cheap they are usually. You seem to have the BPOs that not that many people give a crap about. Infiltrator Drones? Rocket Launcher II? Heretic? I don't think I've EVER seen an Infiltrator Drone in use, Rocket Launcher II's I hear theres quite a few of those BPOs out there and a ship only useful in 0.0. So go ahead and raise your prices, lets see how many people actually give a ****, I know I won't be one of them. On top of that, the higher you raise your prices the higher I raise my ransoms so all the better for me. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:20:00 - [120] Originally by: Zaldoza Originally by: Shiner BockBeer I'm truly astounded this thread is not locked. But thanks for the heads-up. I'm going to make a killing in the price spike. :) Maybe the devs are just as stuned over the OP as we are,and enjoying the flaming he deserves Very possibly. Only time will tell. In the meantime, wheefun!
eveplayer11	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:26:00 - [121] "if i had a T2 BPO... i would make them for free to known PvPers and guys that would use them in pvp. and sell them for 200% overprice to the rest." "i would make so mutch money i could buy more T2 BPOs and make even more money and mess up the whole market and be filthy ritch making my gameplay extremely booring, i would probably change that profit to rl profits and later CCP would make some blogg about them not having enough isk sinks " people getting insta ritch is not good, and people think isk comes from macro miners.. its from corps/alliances or market controllers. macro miners are just newbies trying to do some guide on how to get ritch fast in eve by using multible accounts and afk mine/macro lol some that have vaga bpo probably dont even need to work... i hope gms check transactions of the big money makers, bet more then a few have clients and not friends they give isk to.. flame on i just hate this insta-ritch ****e
Glassback M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:27:00 - [122] Edited by: Glassback on 24/10/2006 22:27:43 I'm sure this will be lost in the mountain of replies, but the new tier 2 BC are the end of HAC's so it's only a matter of time before modules are replaced too. G. I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about.
eveplayer11	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:30:00 - [123] sadly their tier2 not tech2 and seeded BPOs in the market.. command ships on the other hand already pwn T2 cruisers imo and their as cheap as a battleship and can most of the times take them on with good fittings.
Jon Boy	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:02:00 - [124] Originally by: Zaldoza Ahh cmon poor fool is just afraid he wont make enough isk before kali Not selling for a month? Good luck to him, if he does start selling his ships before Kali. His BPO will become worth much less when that happens. I think the image of T2 market controlling geniuses just went down the drain, it seems to be just lottery winners who dont know what to do with their wealth.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:39:00 - [125] Edited by: Victor Vision on 24/10/2006 23:39:37 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/10/2006 19:50:36 ... T1s are the crap and they can never pwn. Need T2s. That is the cause of the problem to be honest... First of all: T1 ships are anything but crap. Read the Ships and Modules section of the forums and you will find that the popular HACs are weak compared to the t1 Battleships (and these are A LOT cheaper). Secondly: There is very good named stuff around. Many of the good named mods are not only near as good as t2, but in addition they are often easier to fit (less CPU, PG reqs). Thirdly: For real wtfbbqpwnhaXXor ships t2 is not prime choice anyways, faction and officer is prime choice. To sum it up, if a t2 producer halts production because people are only willing to pay reasonable prices (how dare them!), then I have no problem with that. Long life named t1 and faction!
Tek'a Rain Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:02:00 - [126] and if anyone reading this mess is suffering from having a crappy t2 bpo, Il haul it off for you. no charge. working together to prevent litter.. its a good thing Blaque or Foiritan
Lord Sid Minmatar Lordless	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:54:00 - [127] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. It seems that for us producers..we get spat at for producing the stuff while noobs & whiners have no clue how a logistical nightmare it can be to produce the stuff...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. For you who fly heretics..get used to higher prices..cause I have 25% of the bpo's & am NOT going to sell any. ALL production is going to stay within the corp or with allies who we fly with...& you know what? I'm gonna give them away for FREE! Like infiltrator II's? gone! u need your rocket launcher II's? Kiss those goodbye also. As of now I'm officially going on strike to selling to whiners & will happily stockpile for the corp or allies..but no more to the whiners. We got hac bpo's, drones, ammo, ships, mods & tons of other stuff...& we're stopping production also. You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun. I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. & yes..I know of 4 amarr interdictors that will stop producing as of this moment..& eventually..this will catch on. I you think 11M is expensive...tell me that when you're begging to buy some @ 25M in a few weeks time. Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years. Sam /me puts on his flame resistant suit You sound like the OPECers. LOL -=Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds=-
flangpoo	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:06:00 - [128] im thinking thats not your main, and you are thinking the same......... pop
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:18:00 - [129] I recently built some t2 stuff using a BPC i got on the cheap... I have to say it was a damn lot of effort and time to get all the stuff together and build it, then take it to market to sell... it was worth the 100 mil profit I made I guess, but I can see where the OP is coming from on the effort side of things, its something people need to consider I think. Im not saying T2 prices on SOME items arent totally rediculous though. ----- Move along, nothing to see here...
Infi8niti	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:31:00 - [130] cough 37S cough Stain cough Just do it ;)
Freelanc3r Caldari Xoth Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:33:00 - [131] Mummy let you play on the internet unsupervised again ? -----------------------------------
XflygoldX Ceryshen Interglobal Technologies Vanu Space Command	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:34:00 - [132] Originally by: Chronus26 I recently built some t2 stuff using a BPC i got on the cheap... I have to say it was a damn lot of effort and time to get all the stuff together and build it, then take it to market to sell... it was worth the 100 mil profit I made I guess, but I can see where the OP is coming from on the effort side of things, its something people need to consider I think. Im not saying T2 prices on SOME items arent totally rediculous though. oh hush, you did it as a one time thing. all the components used in making those ships can be bought on the market uber cheap. And for those that want max profits the BPO's are cheap and the moon materials easy to setup to either make yourself or contract out. Seems another side effect of T2 bpo's is allowing people to over endulge their lazyness. Blah. "The most intelligent ideas take form while you are not there" by; Blah
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:41:00 - [133] kali will destroy the cartels at least to a degree
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:45:00 - [134] you sir, are an idiot --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
Elenin	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:00:00 - [135] he still thinks he's important gone from hiding in a station doing nothing, to hiding in a station doing nothing and pretending this affects people, i'm sure everyone cares wonder if he still has the fluff arts degree in his bio too
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:10:00 - [136] Oh NOEZ! No more Heretics? RUN FOR TEH HILLZZ!!!!!! -- Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:04:00 - [137] Edited by: Gonada on 25/10/2006 03:05:31 lol good one OP, shows CCP that morons with T2 control need to be nerfed, whats that? invention? lol -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Nymos Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:06:00 - [138] Originally by: zeKzn What? You're arguing that its not an oligopoly because the people are immature? How stupid can you get? huh? what are you talking about? fail at reading comprehension? i said that not even a real (life) monopolist can act as immature, i.e. like saying "stfu noob. etc". e.g. if there was only one cable provider in my town with crap service, high prices and the service hotline tells me to shove off they would be quite dead monopolists sooner or later in an economic way as people will find alternatives. there is no alternative for t2 because t1 does not perform as well in any way. not even close. Originally by: zeKzn and other stuff & flames you can elaborate on supply and demand, equilibrium, market structure and whatever as much as you like. the point is not whether supply and demand, oligopolist's greed, ginger magician or pink fluffy bunny rabbits are responsible for the prices. point is that the system is broken. people will buy vagas at 500m i'm sure because there are still people that can shell out RL cash for GTC and buy isk to finance their gear. and yea you can draw nice graphs how this is still supply and demand, but it's game breaking. lag and node crashes have a theoretical background too. hard-/software limitations. and it's game breaking too even if some IT guy elaborates on cpu usage, memory leaks etc. and stop the flaming. do you think eve is a real life market simulation where each and every aspect of real life markets holds true? for RL market data go play around in bloomberg. and do you realize that maybe supply and demand produce silly results because of bad implemenation of t2 blueprints? i hope you at least agree that monopolies and even oligopolies are bad as they reduce the total welfare of the economy. just that should justify a fix from an economists point of view, no? :P --
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:33:00 - [139] Originally by: Nymos huh? what are you talking about? fail at reading comprehension? i said that not even a real (life) monopolist can act as immature, i.e. like saying "stfu noob. etc". e.g. if there was only one cable provider in my town with crap service, high prices and the service hotline tells me to shove off they would be quite dead monopolists sooner or later in an economic way as people will find alternatives. there is no alternative for t2 because t1 does not perform as well in any way. not even close. Exactly. They can still do it, just like this guy did - it just wouldn't be good for them economically, as it obviously wont for this guy. There's no difference here. Quote: you can elaborate on supply and demand, equilibrium, market structure and whatever as much as you like. the point is not whether supply and demand, oligopolist's greed, ginger magician or pink fluffy bunny rabbits are responsible for the prices. point is that the system is broken. In your opinion. Quote: people will buy vagas at 500m i'm sure because there are still people that can shell out RL cash for GTC and buy isk to finance their gear. and yea you can draw nice graphs how this is still supply and demand, but it's game breaking. How so? Quote: lag and node crashes have a theoretical background too. hard-/software limitations. and it's game breaking too even if some IT guy elaborates on cpu usage, memory leaks etc. This is completely different. Quote: and stop the flaming. do you think eve is a real life market simulation where each and every aspect of real life markets holds true? for RL market data go play around in bloomberg. and do you realize that maybe supply and demand produce silly results because of bad implemenation of t2 blueprints? I've done less flaming than you have so far. I'm well aware there are some major differences between EVE's economy and any given RL economy, and thats the reason that its so interesting to see how EVE's economy works. Just because it has some differences, however, doesn't mean that most small-scale economic models, like Suppply and Demand, dont apply. Quote: i hope you at least agree that monopolies and even oligopolies are bad as they reduce the total welfare of the economy. just that should justify a fix from an economists point of view, no? :P Well, that depends how you define the total welfare of the economy, but yes, monopologies and oligopolies are market structures which overall hurt consumers far more than they benefit producers - but some markets naturally gravitate towards oligopolies and monopolies, so they aren't always bad. Of course, I dont really think T2 (or any market in EVE, tbh) can be argued to be a natural oligopoly, but I think CCP wants to keep prices prohibitively high on t2 gear. My thoughts are my own and do not reflect those of my Corp/Alliance
BloodFart	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:49:00 - [140] This thread illustrates why the t2 market SHOULD be crashed with Kali and "invention." It would be morally reprehensible if it wasn't. Too many snobbish elitists in charge of it all.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:50:00 - [141] it will be and cheap t2 BPOs will end up on escrow and for sale just before it comes in
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:51:00 - [142] lol this thread still hasnt been locked ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Hitomi Ayame Royal Knights of Khanid Order of the Khanid Crown	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:56:00 - [143] Originally by: zeKzn Originally by: Nymos huh? what are you talking about? fail at reading comprehension? i said that not even a real (life) monopolist can act as immature, i.e. like saying "stfu noob. etc". e.g. if there was only one cable provider in my town with crap service, high prices and the service hotline tells me to shove off they would be quite dead monopolists sooner or later in an economic way as people will find alternatives. there is no alternative for t2 because t1 does not perform as well in any way. not even close. Exactly. They can still do it, just like this guy did - it just wouldn't be good for them economically, as it obviously wont for this guy. There's no difference here. No, see, there is a difference. In a free market, another company can always come along and compete. If that company is just as bad as the first, then a third company can come along. If no companies are good, then a buisiness-minded resident of the area can try to start their own company and compete. The T2 market is not a free market by any means because there can only be a set number of T2 producers at any given time. Also, nobody can make a "Zagabond" that's just as good. Sure, we have T1 as a cheap alternative, but the problem is particularly relevant to things like Covert Ops, where no T1 ship can possibly do what the T2 ship does. - - - Hitomi Ayame, Lady Marshal, Royal Knights of Khanid The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting!
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:59:00 - [144] thread continues it does 0 important feedback for CCP it is
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:02:00 - [145] Edited by: zeKzn on 25/10/2006 04:04:04 Originally by: Hitomi Ayame No, see, there is a difference. In a free market, another company can always come along and compete. If that company is just as bad as the first, then a third company can come along. If no companies are good, then a buisiness-minded resident of the area can try to start their own company and compete. The T2 market is not a free market by any means because there can only be a set number of T2 producers at any given time. You're confusing a free market with a perfectly competetive market. And in this case, another BPO owner can come along and compete. Its exactly the same. They can also form a cartel and fix prices, and the same is true irl. Quote: Also, nobody can make a "Zagabond" that's just as good. Sure, we have T1 as a cheap alternative, but the problem is particularly relevant to things like Covert Ops, where no T1 ship can possibly do what the T2 ship does. Again, just because there are no perfect substitutes doesn't make it a non-free market. If anything its the most free market I've ever seen, irl or in a game, because CCP hasn't done much of anything to interfere with the prices despite massive amounts of whining. Its not perfectly competitive, no, but nor should it be. My thoughts are my own and do not reflect those of my Corp/Alliance
Rak'Kabal Kain Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:09:00 - [146] Edited by: Rak''Kabal Kain on 25/10/2006 04:10:35 Originally by: Infi8niti cough 37S cough Stain cough Just do it ;) do it m8ty do it!! lololz anyway kail is out soon then we will have less drama with T2 builders VC
Nerdalus Minmatar DarkSide Inc	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:20:00 - [147] Samthedog aka whinin b*tch
Flynn Tagart Caldari The Traveliers United Corporations of Eve	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:30:00 - [148] PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT, maybe i should buy liek 1 of those "who gives a **" BPOs and build many of them and sell them to you for about 1337 million isk PWNT you and those handful of other people arent the only T2 builder dip , and they wont go on strike cuz less or more its still money to them and they will keep selling those T2 items and sell some more and more and they will blow smoke in your face as they pat their wallet full of millions maybe even billions,btw i got my Nighthawk below cost, infact i got it free, PWNT, and i can sell it for more then You and your corp, and ur T2 BPO's are worth and keep it underpriced is that another PWNT Stick in your face? i think so.... have a fun life crying like a * and how people dont want to pay for stuff thats got 25% more then its worth added to the price tag, i could get things easily without trying, their called Friends and Nice marketeers, id like to say that youve been gettin PWNT by ppl :) more ppl should pwn you in this thread, and kill you over and over in eve til you Quit, so we can put up with one less pus* in eve.
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:38:00 - [149] Originally by: Flynn Tagart PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT, maybe i should buy liek 1 of those "who gives a **" BPOs and build many of them and sell them to you for about 1337 million isk PWNT you and those handful of other people arent the only T2 builder dip , and they wont go on strike cuz less or more its still money to them and they will keep selling those T2 items and sell some more and more and they will blow smoke in your face as they pat their wallet full of millions maybe even billions,btw i got my Nighthawk below cost, infact i got it free, PWNT, and i can sell it for more then You and your corp, and ur T2 BPO's are worth and keep it underpriced is that another PWNT Stick in your face? i think so.... have a fun life crying like a * and how people dont want to pay for stuff thats got 25% more then its worth added to the price tag, i could get things easily without trying, their called Friends and Nice marketeers, id like to say that youve been gettin PWNT by ppl :) more ppl should pwn you in this thread, and kill you over and over in eve til you Quit, so we can put up with one less pus* in eve. I hope to god you're trolling My thoughts are my own and do not reflect those of my Corp/Alliance
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:55:00 - [150] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. It seems that for us producers..we get spat at for producing the stuff while noobs & whiners have no clue how a logistical nightmare it can be to produce the stuff...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. For you who fly heretics..get used to higher prices..cause I have 25% of the bpo's & am NOT going to sell any. ALL production is going to stay within the corp or with allies who we fly with...& you know what? I'm gonna give them away for FREE! Like infiltrator II's? gone! u need your rocket launcher II's? Kiss those goodbye also. As of now I'm officially going on strike to selling to whiners & will happily stockpile for the corp or allies..but no more to the whiners. We got hac bpo's, drones, ammo, ships, mods & tons of other stuff...& we're stopping production also. You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun. I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. & yes..I know of 4 amarr interdictors that will stop producing as of this moment..& eventually..this will catch on. I you think 11M is expensive...tell me that when you're begging to buy some @ 25M in a few weeks time. Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years. Sam /me puts on his flame resistant suit If you do this, you have the eternal thanks of my alliance. I know more than a few people that will happily start producing these items overtime, and take the ISK that you would have had. Again. TY in advance for your production halt because of a hissy fit. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Flynn Tagart Caldari The Traveliers United Corporations of Eve	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:09:00 - [151] Edited by: Flynn Tagart on 25/10/2006 05:08:59 MORE PWNT!!!!, and yes sam doing everyone a favor and giving them mo' iskies

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