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eveplayer11
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:26:00 -
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"if i had a T2 BPO... i would make them for free to known PvPers and guys that would use them in pvp. and sell them for 200% overprice to the rest."
"i would make so mutch money i could buy more T2 BPOs and make even more money and mess up the whole market and be filthy ritch making my gameplay extremely booring, i would probably change that profit to rl profits and later CCP would make some blogg about them not having enough isk sinks  "
people getting insta ritch is not good, and people think isk comes from macro miners.. its from corps/alliances or market controllers. macro miners are just newbies trying to do some guide on how to get ritch fast in eve by using multible accounts and afk mine/macro lol 
some that have vaga bpo probably dont even need to work... i hope gms check transactions of the big money makers, bet more then a few have clients and not friends they give isk to..
flame on i just hate this insta-ritch ****e 
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Glassback
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Glassback on 24/10/2006 22:27:43
I'm sure this will be lost in the mountain of replies, but the new tier 2 BC are the end of HAC's so it's only a matter of time before modules are replaced too.
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eveplayer11
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:30:00 -
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sadly their tier2 not tech2 and seeded BPOs in the market.. command ships on the other hand already pwn T2 cruisers imo and their as cheap as a battleship and can most of the times take them on with good fittings.
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Jon Boy
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Zaldoza
Ahh cmon poor fool is just afraid he wont make enough isk before kali
Not selling for a month? Good luck to him, if he does start selling his ships before Kali. His BPO will become worth much less when that happens. I think the image of T2 market controlling geniuses just went down the drain, it seems to be just lottery winners who dont know what to do with their wealth.
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 24/10/2006 23:39:37
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/10/2006 19:50:36
... T1s are the crap and they can never pwn. Need T2s. That is the cause of the problem to be honest...
First of all: T1 ships are anything but crap. Read the Ships and Modules section of the forums and you will find that the popular HACs are weak compared to the t1 Battleships (and these are A LOT cheaper).
Secondly: There is very good named stuff around. Many of the good named mods are not only near as good as t2, but in addition they are often easier to fit (less CPU, PG reqs).
Thirdly: For real wtfbbqpwnhaXXor ships t2 is not prime choice anyways, faction and officer is prime choice.
To sum it up, if a t2 producer halts production because people are only willing to pay reasonable prices (how dare them!), then I have no problem with that.
Long life named t1 and faction! 
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.10.25 00:02:00 -
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and if anyone reading this mess is suffering from having a crappy t2 bpo, Il haul it off for you. no charge.
working together to prevent litter.. its a good thing
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Lord Sid
Minmatar
Lordless
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Posted - 2006.10.25 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: SamtheDog
Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36
Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06
So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. It seems that for us producers..we get spat at for producing the stuff while noobs & whiners have no clue how a logistical nightmare it can be to produce the stuff...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost.
For you who fly heretics..get used to higher prices..cause I have 25% of the bpo's & am NOT going to sell any. ALL production is going to stay within the corp or with allies who we fly with...& you know what? I'm gonna give them away for FREE! Like infiltrator II's? gone! u need your rocket launcher II's? Kiss those goodbye also. As of now I'm officially going on strike to selling to whiners & will happily stockpile for the corp or allies..but no more to the whiners. We got hac bpo's, drones, ammo, ships, mods & tons of other stuff...& we're stopping production also. You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun.
I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter.
& yes..I know of 4 amarr interdictors that will stop producing as of this moment..& eventually..this will catch on. I you think 11M is expensive...tell me that when you're begging to buy some @ 25M in a few weeks time. Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years.
Sam 
/me puts on his flame resistant suit
You sound like the OPECers. LOL
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flangpoo
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:06:00 -
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im thinking thats not your main, and you are thinking the same......... pop
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Chronus26
Gallente
Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:18:00 -
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I recently built some t2 stuff using a BPC i got on the cheap... I have to say it was a damn lot of effort and time to get all the stuff together and build it, then take it to market to sell... it was worth the 100 mil profit I made I guess, but I can see where the OP is coming from on the effort side of things, its something people need to consider I think. Im not saying T2 prices on SOME items arent totally rediculous though.
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Infi8niti
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:31:00 -
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*cough* 37S *cough* Stain *cough*
Just do it ;)
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Freelanc3r
Caldari
Xoth Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:33:00 -
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Mummy let you play on the internet unsupervised again ?
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XflygoldX
Ceryshen Interglobal Technologies
Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
I recently built some t2 stuff using a BPC i got on the cheap... I have to say it was a damn lot of effort and time to get all the stuff together and build it, then take it to market to sell... it was worth the 100 mil profit I made I guess, but I can see where the OP is coming from on the effort side of things, its something people need to consider I think. Im not saying T2 prices on SOME items arent totally rediculous though.
oh hush, you did it as a one time thing. all the components used in making those ships can be bought on the market uber cheap. And for those that want max profits the BPO's are cheap and the moon materials easy to setup to either make yourself or contract out. Seems another side effect of T2 bpo's is allowing people to over endulge their lazyness.
Blah. "The most intelligent ideas take form while you are not there" by; Blah |
Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:41:00 -
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kali will destroy the cartels at least to a degree
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Horza Otho
Minmatar
Silver Star Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:45:00 -
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you sir, are an idiot
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Elenin
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:00:00 -
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he still thinks he's important
gone from hiding in a station doing nothing, to hiding in a station doing nothing and pretending this affects people, i'm sure everyone cares
wonder if he still has the fluff arts degree in his bio too
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Copine Callmeknau
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:10:00 -
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Oh NOEZ! No more Heretics?
RUN FOR TEH HILLZZ!!!!!!
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Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS
wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gonada on 25/10/2006 03:05:31
lol good one OP, shows CCP that morons with T2 control need to be nerfed, whats that? invention?
lol
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: zeKzn
What? You're arguing that its not an oligopoly because the people are immature? How stupid can you get?
huh? what are you talking about? fail at reading comprehension? i said that not even a real (life) monopolist can act as immature, i.e. like saying "stfu noob. etc". e.g. if there was only one cable provider in my town with crap service, high prices and the service hotline tells me to shove off they would be quite dead monopolists sooner or later in an economic way as people will find alternatives. there is no alternative for t2 because t1 does not perform as well in any way. not even close.
Originally by: zeKzn
and other stuff & flames
you can elaborate on supply and demand, equilibrium, market structure and whatever as much as you like. the point is not whether supply and demand, oligopolist's greed, ginger magician or pink fluffy bunny rabbits are responsible for the prices. point is that the system is broken. people will buy vagas at 500m i'm sure because there are still people that can shell out RL cash for GTC and buy isk to finance their gear. and yea you can draw nice graphs how this is still supply and demand, but it's game breaking. lag and node crashes have a theoretical background too. hard-/software limitations. and it's game breaking too even if some IT guy elaborates on cpu usage, memory leaks etc.
and stop the flaming. do you think eve is a real life market simulation where each and every aspect of real life markets holds true? for RL market data go play around in bloomberg. and do you realize that maybe supply and demand produce silly results because of bad implemenation of t2 blueprints?
i hope you at least agree that monopolies and even oligopolies are bad as they reduce the total welfare of the economy. just that should justify a fix from an economists point of view, no? :P
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nymos
huh? what are you talking about? fail at reading comprehension? i said that not even a real (life) monopolist can act as immature, i.e. like saying "stfu noob. etc". e.g. if there was only one cable provider in my town with crap service, high prices and the service hotline tells me to shove off they would be quite dead monopolists sooner or later in an economic way as people will find alternatives. there is no alternative for t2 because t1 does not perform as well in any way. not even close.
Exactly. They can still do it, just like this guy did - it just wouldn't be good for them economically, as it obviously wont for this guy. There's no difference here.
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you can elaborate on supply and demand, equilibrium, market structure and whatever as much as you like. the point is not whether supply and demand, oligopolist's greed, ginger magician or pink fluffy bunny rabbits are responsible for the prices. point is that the system is broken.
In your opinion.
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people will buy vagas at 500m i'm sure because there are still people that can shell out RL cash for GTC and buy isk to finance their gear. and yea you can draw nice graphs how this is still supply and demand, but it's game breaking.
How so?
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lag and node crashes have a theoretical background too. hard-/software limitations. and it's game breaking too even if some IT guy elaborates on cpu usage, memory leaks etc.
This is completely different.
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and stop the flaming. do you think eve is a real life market simulation where each and every aspect of real life markets holds true? for RL market data go play around in bloomberg. and do you realize that maybe supply and demand produce silly results because of bad implemenation of t2 blueprints?
I've done less flaming than you have so far. I'm well aware there are some major differences between EVE's economy and any given RL economy, and thats the reason that its so interesting to see how EVE's economy works. Just because it has some differences, however, doesn't mean that most small-scale economic models, like Suppply and Demand, dont apply.
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i hope you at least agree that monopolies and even oligopolies are bad as they reduce the total welfare of the economy. just that should justify a fix from an economists point of view, no? :P
Well, that depends how you define the total welfare of the economy, but yes, monopologies and oligopolies are market structures which overall hurt consumers far more than they benefit producers - but some markets naturally gravitate towards oligopolies and monopolies, so they aren't always bad.
Of course, I dont really think T2 (or any market in EVE, tbh) can be argued to be a natural oligopoly, but I think CCP wants to keep prices prohibitively high on t2 gear.
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BloodFart
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:49:00 -
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This thread illustrates why the t2 market SHOULD be crashed with Kali and "invention." It would be morally reprehensible if it wasn't.
Too many snobbish elitists in charge of it all.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:50:00 -
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it will be and cheap t2 BPOs will end up on escrow and for sale just before it comes in
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darklegionca
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:51:00 -
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lol this thread still hasnt been locked
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Hitomi Ayame
Royal Knights of Khanid
Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: zeKzn
Originally by: Nymos
huh? what are you talking about? fail at reading comprehension? i said that not even a real (life) monopolist can act as immature, i.e. like saying "stfu noob. etc". e.g. if there was only one cable provider in my town with crap service, high prices and the service hotline tells me to shove off they would be quite dead monopolists sooner or later in an economic way as people will find alternatives. there is no alternative for t2 because t1 does not perform as well in any way. not even close.
Exactly. They can still do it, just like this guy did - it just wouldn't be good for them economically, as it obviously wont for this guy. There's no difference here.
No, see, there is a difference. In a free market, another company can always come along and compete. If that company is just as bad as the first, then a third company can come along. If no companies are good, then a buisiness-minded resident of the area can try to start their own company and compete.
The T2 market is not a free market by any means because there can only be a set number of T2 producers at any given time.
Also, nobody can make a "Zagabond" that's just as good. Sure, we have T1 as a cheap alternative, but the problem is particularly relevant to things like Covert Ops, where no T1 ship can possibly do what the T2 ship does.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:59:00 -
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thread continues it does 0 important feedback for CCP it is
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:02:00 -
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Edited by: zeKzn on 25/10/2006 04:04:04
Originally by: Hitomi Ayame
No, see, there is a difference. In a free market, another company can always come along and compete. If that company is just as bad as the first, then a third company can come along. If no companies are good, then a buisiness-minded resident of the area can try to start their own company and compete.
The T2 market is not a free market by any means because there can only be a set number of T2 producers at any given time.
You're confusing a free market with a perfectly competetive market. And in this case, another BPO owner can come along and compete. Its exactly the same. They can also form a cartel and fix prices, and the same is true irl.
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Also, nobody can make a "Zagabond" that's just as good. Sure, we have T1 as a cheap alternative, but the problem is particularly relevant to things like Covert Ops, where no T1 ship can possibly do what the T2 ship does.
Again, just because there are no perfect substitutes doesn't make it a non-free market. If anything its the most free market I've ever seen, irl or in a game, because CCP hasn't done much of anything to interfere with the prices despite massive amounts of whining.
Its not perfectly competitive, no, but nor should it be.
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Rak'Kabal Kain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Rak''Kabal Kain on 25/10/2006 04:10:35
Originally by: Infi8niti
*cough* 37S *cough* Stain *cough*
Just do it ;)
do it m8ty do it!! lololz
anyway kail is out soon then we will have less drama with T2 builders
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Nerdalus
Minmatar
DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:20:00 -
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Samthedog aka whinin b*tch 
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Flynn Tagart
Caldari
The Traveliers
United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:30:00 -
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PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT, maybe i should buy liek 1 of those "who gives a ****" BPOs and build many of them and sell them to you for about 1337 million isk PWNT
you and those handful of other people arent the only T2 builder dip ****, and they wont go on strike cuz less or more its still money to them and they will keep selling those T2 items and sell some more and more and they will blow smoke in your face as they pat their wallet full of millions maybe even billions,btw i got my Nighthawk below cost, infact i got it free, PWNT, and i can sell it for more then You and your corp, and ur T2 BPO's are worth and keep it underpriced is that another PWNT Stick in your face? i think so.... have a fun life crying like a ***** and how people dont want to pay for stuff thats got 25% more then its worth added to the price tag, i could get things easily without trying, their called Friends and Nice marketeers, id like to say that youve been gettin PWNT by ppl :) more ppl should pwn you in this thread, and kill you over and over in eve til you Quit, so we can put up with one less pus*** in eve.
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Flynn Tagart
PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT PWNT, maybe i should buy liek 1 of those "who gives a ****" BPOs and build many of them and sell them to you for about 1337 million isk PWNT
you and those handful of other people arent the only T2 builder dip ****, and they wont go on strike cuz less or more its still money to them and they will keep selling those T2 items and sell some more and more and they will blow smoke in your face as they pat their wallet full of millions maybe even billions,btw i got my Nighthawk below cost, infact i got it free, PWNT, and i can sell it for more then You and your corp, and ur T2 BPO's are worth and keep it underpriced is that another PWNT Stick in your face? i think so.... have a fun life crying like a ***** and how people dont want to pay for stuff thats got 25% more then its worth added to the price tag, i could get things easily without trying, their called Friends and Nice marketeers, id like to say that youve been gettin PWNT by ppl :) more ppl should pwn you in this thread, and kill you over and over in eve til you Quit, so we can put up with one less pus*** in eve.
I hope to god you're trolling
My thoughts are my own and do not reflect those of my Corp/Alliance |
Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: SamtheDog
Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36
Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06
So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. It seems that for us producers..we get spat at for producing the stuff while noobs & whiners have no clue how a logistical nightmare it can be to produce the stuff...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost.
For you who fly heretics..get used to higher prices..cause I have 25% of the bpo's & am NOT going to sell any. ALL production is going to stay within the corp or with allies who we fly with...& you know what? I'm gonna give them away for FREE! Like infiltrator II's? gone! u need your rocket launcher II's? Kiss those goodbye also. As of now I'm officially going on strike to selling to whiners & will happily stockpile for the corp or allies..but no more to the whiners. We got hac bpo's, drones, ammo, ships, mods & tons of other stuff...& we're stopping production also. You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun.
I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter.
& yes..I know of 4 amarr interdictors that will stop producing as of this moment..& eventually..this will catch on. I you think 11M is expensive...tell me that when you're begging to buy some @ 25M in a few weeks time. Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years.
Sam
/me puts on his flame resistant suit
If you do this, you have the eternal thanks of my alliance. I know more than a few people that will happily start producing these items overtime, and take the ISK that you would have had.
Again. TY in advance for your production halt because of a hissy fit.
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