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Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:52:00 - [91] Originally by: Red Ochre Originally by: SamtheDog You're not very bright are you? We're still producing..just not SELLING on market. Sorry to burst your bubble..but some people may choose not to produce..but merely research a bpo to keep it out of production. Sam you post like this and not expect a response from ccp, whether silent or otherwise? way to fu** yourself and your buddies. dumb@ss. Why should there be? He's not obligated to sell to the public and who is to tell someone he's researched his prints enough?
Ikonz Loot	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:53:00 - [92] I was goint to reply to the idoicy of this post, but I decided against it as I don't want to be dragged down to the op's level. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes Since when are boobies inappropriate??
Nymos Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:00:00 - [93] who cares? increase your prices for t2 by 2500% if you feel like it. jenny can put up sell orders for vagas at 200 billion. the whole t2 argument is boring enough, everything has been discussed more than enough. we all know t2 prices are retarded. just look at the responses of t2 builders: "stfu noobs, i'll bump the prices a bit higher. and higher. because i can." it doesn't matter if those pseudo economists on this forums say it's "supply and demand". studied that long enough, know that already. oligopoly, yea. not even someone with a real monopoly could act as immature. please, yea, kill the damn t2 market. have prices skyrocket faster. maybe ccp will one day realize that half the skill tree is useless (i.e. inaccessible) and people are too afraid to lose hundreds of millions of stuff that is priced like that because someone feels like it. not because of market mechanisms. the only people that find t2 prices ok are t2 builders and super carebears that never ever lose more than a shuttle. --
coldplasma	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:07:00 - [94] Edited by: coldplasma on 24/10/2006 19:14:07 Thank god invention is coming so I can let my indy alt build my T2 ships instead of these spoilt T2 brats selling vagabonds at 400M. What would also be cool is if CCP saw this thread, discovered your main through tracking your IP address and stripped you of your T2 BPO's. ____________________________ See you in 0.0 kids...
Wilfan Ret'nub Singularity.	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:16:00 - [95] I, for one, welcome our new T2 overlords. ------ No ISK, no fun
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:18:00 - [96] Errm the only true whiner i see is you. Essentially your crying that a 25% mark up isnt enough, look you choose to be a producer supposedly because you enjoy that style of gameplay.... thus we hit the real problem with player crafting in these games... vast majority of people do not like to do it, and instead only really greedy #$%#@$ craft because they want to get loads of easy money. then these same greedy @#$@# get the bpo's instead of the people who actually enjoy crafting and fark up the entire system with thier greed and dislike of crafting. you know what please all t2 producers stop all sales of t2 items FOREVER, the sooner you do it the sooner the rest of the playerbase will be saved from the misery and blackmail garbage the whiners like the OP do to us all, simply because they got lucky in a poorly thought out lottery system. WAIT, you will never stop prodcuing because you are greedy @#$@$#!!@# and can;t imaginbe playing EVE with out your ISK printing machines on, so cut the BS.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:30:00 - [97] What a pathetic whining thread. "Mommy, they don't like me because I'm ripping them off". Stop producing T2 everyone, the sooner you do, the sooner CCP will realize how bad the whole T2 lottery concept is and implement a proper BPO market.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:39:00 - [98] Best fix to T2 whines. 1) Remove all T2 BPOs. 2) Remove all T2 items. 3) Everybody fly T1s and compete in T1s. Everything is cheap. Everything is fun to fly in. Everything is available everywhere. Oh, wait. T1s are the crap and they can never pwn. Need T2s. That is the cause of the problem to be honest. Why should you dictate 25%-35% markup is fair? If it is so fair, why not you go make T1 stuffs at 50k and sell at 100k for 100% markup? Oh, wait. 50k is not profitable. This is the worst attempt at jealousy. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Pax Caldaria.
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:41:00 - [99] guess the OP never thought he would make his corp and alliance a target for acting so unproffesional...guess he will discover this when many gankers start preying on them...
Ogdru Jahad Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:46:00 - [100] what this dumbass is saying is... I will sell to alliance and corp mates. they in return will make a profit off his his stupidity and its his fault... this is a classic case of biting ones nose off in dispite of his face.. can i join your corp ? I feel like lining my pockets through your act of stupidity. - Think your having a bad day? Imagine this, Your a siamese Twin joined at the hip,Your brother is *** & your not, His lover is comming around and you only have one bottom.

Balklanac Freezoner	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:10:00 - [101] Ahhh well its not like the t2 producers allready dont screw with the market this guy just made it public.. --------- I would love to see a bounty pilot get some friend or an alt to pod them to collect the isk if that resulted in a two week delay before their 'personality' was uploaded to a new clone.
Kar'Dargo Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:13:00 - [102] This is a joke and a flame I am sure. I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him. -Mark Twain [IMG]http://group
1of20	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:34:00 - [103] Originally by: DukDodgerz guess the OP never thought he would make his corp and alliance a target for acting so unproffesional...guess he will discover this when many gankers start preying on them... hehe, too true. Good thing he has all that money to use for replacing all the lost ships :) btw, his corp: Singularity(WEWIN) isn't in an alliance :) good time to wardec before he suckers one into letting him join.
Father Weebles Panzershrek Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:51:00 - [104] Originally by: Nymos who cares? increase your prices for t2 by 2500% if you feel like it. jenny can put up sell orders for vagas at 200 billion. the whole t2 argument is boring enough, everything has been discussed more than enough. we all know t2 prices are retarded. just look at the responses of t2 builders: "stfu noobs, i'll bump the prices a bit higher. and higher. because i can." it doesn't matter if those pseudo economists on this forums say it's "supply and demand". studied that long enough, know that already. oligopoly, yea. not even someone with a real monopoly could act as immature. please, yea, kill the damn t2 market. have prices skyrocket faster. maybe ccp will one day realize that half the skill tree is useless (i.e. inaccessible) and people are too afraid to lose hundreds of millions of stuff that is priced like that because someone feels like it. not because of market mechanisms. the only people that find t2 prices ok are t2 builders and super carebears that never ever lose more than a shuttle. couldnt agree more to all tech2 producers/resellers jack the prices as high as you like, pretty please :) "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
implanted Caldari MAJORITY O X I D E	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:56:00 - [105] With a bit of luck, all us non t2 producers will be able to buy t2 bpo's from the market after KALI and you kind of people that take the p1ss will get there come-upance mate. have a look at your own post fffffffffs.
Terminus adacai Caldari Mintaka Mining Inc	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:06:00 - [106] Just remember Karma. What comes around, goes around. What you seed is what you will sow. A 20-30% markup on T2 is reasonable, as the processes for manufacturing are a bit more complicated. There are a few corps that have busted themselves trying to produce or contract the necessary reactions. The problem with this, is it leads to producers jacking up prices. If you withold and do not market T2 items, you will create a shortage on the market that will artificially inflate prices. Other producers will benefit from your actions. Of course, this action may also have a reverse effect and no one will pay the prices, making your bpo's essentially worthless. In order to have a good economy, there have to be willing sellers and buyers. The market can have for sale all it wants. If no one is buying, it is worthless.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:25:00 - [107] Frankly I think that all t2 BPO owners should pay the corps that made them in the first place for the privilage to produce their product. Laidai and Ishukone should be paid royalties for building their ships under license which they are nice enough to let you have. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Jon Boy	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:26:00 - [108] Edited by: Jon Boy on 24/10/2006 21:28:07 Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). You know that most battleship producers make less profit than that for each ship. I shoud also add that this is the most pathetic thing ive seen in half a year of playing EVE.
Zaldoza Caldari Holographic MindWare Constructions	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:44:00 - [109] Ahh cmon poor fool is just afraid he wont make enough isk before kali Zaldoc...Miner Zaldoza..Mission Runner
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:48:00 - [110] Hi sam Long time no see.

Lucas Garin Caldari Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:51:00 - [111] OP = DUMBASS And if he doesn't see why, he's even more of a dumbass.
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:52:00 - [112] I'm truly astounded this thread is not locked. But thanks for the heads-up. I'm going to make a killing in the price spike. :)
Eva Simonson	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:55:00 - [113] When your little plan fails and you emo out and quit can I have your stuff?
Zaldoza Caldari Holographic MindWare Constructions	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:00:00 - [114] Originally by: Shiner BockBeer I'm truly astounded this thread is not locked. But thanks for the heads-up. I'm going to make a killing in the price spike. :) Maybe the devs are just as stuned over the OP as we are,and enjoying the flaming he deserves Zaldoc...Miner Zaldoza..Mission Runner
Illistar DeathWing	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:06:00 - [115] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/10/2006 19:50:36 Best fix to T2 whines. 1) Remove all T2 BPOs. 2) Remove all T2 items. 3) Everybody flies T1s and compete in T1s. Everything is cheap. Everything is fun to fly in. Everything is available everywhere. Oh, wait. T1s are the crap and they can never pwn. Need T2s. That is the cause of the problem to be honest. Why should you dictate 25%-35% markup is fair? If it is so fair, why not you go make T1 stuffs at 50k and sell at 100k for 100% markup? Oh, wait. 50k is not profitable. This is the worst attempt at jealousy. Yeah... a vagabond is really worth the 300k it's selling for now, and yeah that's barly what 300+% profit, that's good enough right?
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:12:00 - [116] i dont suppose anyone knows and is willing to reveal the OP's main?
Aquatica K	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:13:00 - [117] Only read a number of the responses but oh dear we are becoming so USA capitlistic in Eve..the future is bluechip T2 and faction. Are we in danger of making this game so RL that we lose the sense of fun that games are meant to be? Or all online games doomed to greed and eventual decline... Oh anyway what do i care i can move on if necessary.....only a game after all,,,,,,,,,
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:14:00 - [118] Originally by: Nymos we all know t2 prices are retarded. just look at the responses of t2 builders: "stfu noobs, i'll bump the prices a bit higher. and higher. because i can." it doesn't matter if those pseudo economists on this forums say it's "supply and demand". studied that long enough, know that already. So you know its correct. There is literally no situation where a good is being exchanged for money, in any kind of market, that will not behave according to the rules of supply and demand. Prices are that high because thats where the point of equilibrium is, or else producers are the ones losing potential money. Quote: oligopoly, yea. not even someone with a real monopoly could act as immature. What? You're arguing that its not an oligopoly because the people are immature? How stupid can you get? There are simple criteria that define market structure, and the t2 market is a fairly large oligopoly. This is a fact, not an opinion. Quote: please, yea, kill the damn t2 market. have prices skyrocket faster. maybe ccp will one day realize that half the skill tree is useless (i.e. inaccessible) and people are too afraid to lose hundreds of millions of stuff that is priced like that because someone feels like it. not because of market mechanisms. You have absolutely no understanding of economics, do you? If market mechanisms did not support the prices being charged today, NOBODY WOULD BUY T2 SHIPS. The fact they are being purchased means that the price is ok for some people, not that it was set "because someone feels like it." One of the beauties of the supply and demand model is that it ALWAYS applies, with virtually no exceptions. Quote: the only people that find t2 prices ok are t2 builders and super carebears that never ever lose more than a shuttle. And thus, you contradict your previous point. My thoughts are my own and do not reflect those of my Corp/Alliance
Scoundrelus Unseen Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:17:00 - [119] Originally by: SamtheDog Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36 Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06 So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make). I read on the forums about t2 price this & t2 price that....well u know what? I'm totally sick of hearing you whiners complain blah blah t2 blah rabble overpriced rabble rabble not fair...etc etc. It seems that for us producers..we get spat at for producing the stuff while noobs & whiners have no clue how a logistical nightmare it can be to produce the stuff...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost. For you who fly heretics..get used to higher prices..cause I have 25% of the bpo's & am NOT going to sell any. ALL production is going to stay within the corp or with allies who we fly with...& you know what? I'm gonna give them away for FREE! Like infiltrator II's? gone! u need your rocket launcher II's? Kiss those goodbye also. As of now I'm officially going on strike to selling to whiners & will happily stockpile for the corp or allies..but no more to the whiners. We got hac bpo's, drones, ammo, ships, mods & tons of other stuff...& we're stopping production also. You think prices are high now? Wait & see what happens when the supplies dry up & you're wondering where all the tech2 stuff went & why you can't afford anymore while the rest of us fly them for fun. I would like to call a STRIKE for all t2 producers to STOP selling ALL t2 items on the market for a period of 30 days. We're all making money in other ways..but it's time we teach these noob whiners a proper lesson & end this pointless chatter. & yes..I know of 4 amarr interdictors that will stop producing as of this moment..& eventually..this will catch on. I you think 11M is expensive...tell me that when you're begging to buy some @ 25M in a few weeks time. Don't worry about the money...I got enough to last me a few years. Sam /me puts on his flame resistant suit Few points you need to touch on. Firstly, your going to only give to corp/allies? You know what I would do if I was corp/ally? I'd get them off you and sell them on market. Without your knowledge. Furthermore, I've never seen people complain about Interdictor prices (although a few probably do), I always look in amazement at how cheap they are usually. You seem to have the BPOs that not that many people give a crap about. Infiltrator Drones? Rocket Launcher II? Heretic? I don't think I've EVER seen an Infiltrator Drone in use, Rocket Launcher II's I hear theres quite a few of those BPOs out there and a ship only useful in 0.0. So go ahead and raise your prices, lets see how many people actually give a ****, I know I won't be one of them. On top of that, the higher you raise your prices the higher I raise my ransoms so all the better for me. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:20:00 - [120] Originally by: Zaldoza Originally by: Shiner BockBeer I'm truly astounded this thread is not locked. But thanks for the heads-up. I'm going to make a killing in the price spike. :) Maybe the devs are just as stuned over the OP as we are,and enjoying the flaming he deserves Very possibly. Only time will tell. In the meantime, wheefun!



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