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Maxamus Rex
Caldari
Nevada Space Salvage
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:55:00 -
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Whats the base price on this ship
Millions for defence not one penny in trubute |
Vladimir Norkoff
Crimson Knights Trade Federation
Thundering Mantis
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Posted - 2006.10.25 00:03:00 -
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But ferox is pointless compared to even t1 sniper megathron / rokh. Even worse, it loses almost all its tank if fitting rails.
Very true.. And the Ibis is pointless when compared to a Moros!!.. Even worse, the Ibis doesn't even have any drones!!.. They need to boost the rookie ship.. Or... Maybe we should compare BCs to BCs??
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can anyone please tell us the drawback to this ship + assault launchers?
Gotta think hard on this one... ummm... How about the fact that it has an abyssmal range? Without skills assaults go out to 7.75km.. Max projection and bombardment and you have 15.5km.. Caldari aren't exactly fast and BCs don't accelerate to quick.. So any medium range ship is going to shut this thing down hard..
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Kyla Lianna
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Posted - 2006.10.25 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Maxamus Rex
Whats the base price on this ship
generally 50% of the previous tiers price which shud be abotu 35mill but lookign at some the build costs at current prices maybe 45 mill max
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.25 00:27:00 -
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Drake will hit the Cerberus market pretty hard im guessing lots of those wanting a cerb might just go spend their ISK on a well fitted Drake and use the change on a Rohk.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Maxamus Rex
Whats the base price on this ship
Insurance payout is a bit over 38M. When kali forst hits tranq it'll be going for 45-50 million and more easy. Out in 0.0 they'll be like freaking gold for ratting.
Originally by: Wrangler
Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:32:00 -
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This thing is insaine. I easily ran a level 4 mission in it, with pretty much the EXACT same setup as my raven.
7 arby heavy launcer 1 med nos
1 large SB II, 1 SB amp, 4 hardiners
4 PDU IIs
I had no problem at all tanking plenty of BS, cruiser and frigs all at once. I didn't have to tap my SB all that often, sometimes not at all in some pockets.
It dosn't have the DPS as a raven, but it's MUCH cheaper. I'd say it should be nerfed, but I'm in love with it too much 
That +25% to all resists makes it tank BETTER than the raven for PVE...
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:36:00 -
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And that's without rigs of faction stuff 
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:45:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
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But ferox is pointless compared to even t1 sniper megathron / rokh. Even worse, it loses almost all its tank if fitting rails.
Very true.. And the Ibis is pointless when compared to a Moros!!.. Even worse, the Ibis doesn't even have any drones!!.. They need to boost the rookie ship.. Or... Maybe we should compare BCs to BCs??
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can anyone please tell us the drawback to this ship + assault launchers?
Gotta think hard on this one... ummm... How about the fact that it has an abyssmal range? Without skills assaults go out to 7.75km.. Max projection and bombardment and you have 15.5km.. Caldari aren't exactly fast and BCs don't accelerate to quick.. So any medium range ship is going to shut this thing down hard..
you dont have a clue what your talking about do you?
your first comment about that guys ferox quote is bull.. the ferox is crap compared to this since no one uses it for rails.
and your reply to my comment shows your noobness.
try t2 javlin torps that do about 30km... fool and its death to close range gallente ships.
and if you fight mid ranged ships in any close combat ship your likley to loose.
and its not as slow as you think since it has bc agility which is 20% better than before.
so stfu and learn when to speak.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 25/10/2006 02:51:00
Well, we're drifting offtopic, but the problem is that all long-range sub-battleships are inherently gimped, especially with the HP boost.
One thing is for sure, there is NO reason not to give the moa 7 - that right, 7 - turret mounts and the grid for them now, and do the same on the vulture, and give the moa/eagle 5 or 6.
In fact, its the only way to keep these ships useful in a combat situation, with the effects of the HP boost. Basically, you have to run the whole line of ships into mini-roks, or you might as well remove them from the market.
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:53:00 -
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yup
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Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:57:00 -
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Drake powergrid seems a bit low, doesn't it? I thought heavy assault launchers were made with battlecruisers in mind?
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:59:00 -
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with advanced weapons upgrades 5 and a pdu in the low this ship will be a solo gank thingy i think
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ashira Twilight
Drake powergrid seems a bit low, doesn't it? I thought heavy assault launchers were made with battlecruisers in mind?
Its perfect actually, w. AWU 5 7 heavy IIs fit w. no grid mods and a PDU will let you field a whole rack of Heavy Assaults + Med Nos, or close enough as to make no difference.
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Firane
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:38:00 -
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Right now I'm working on a NanoDrake setup on Sisi. I know it sounds strange, but with the BC agility boost, 4 local hull nanos, and a mwd, i was flying around at about 1750 m/s and turning on a dime, with a decent alphastrike. I believe this thing will be a great short range ship when people really start to discover what it can do. If only it had a little more PG and less CPU. 
It seriously puts the Ferox to shame.
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Firane
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:40:00 -
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And then the node crashed. 
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Tovarishch
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:48:00 -
[76]
Originally by: XGS Crimson
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
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But ferox is pointless compared to even t1 sniper megathron / rokh. Even worse, it loses almost all its tank if fitting rails.
Very true.. And the Ibis is pointless when compared to a Moros!!.. Even worse, the Ibis doesn't even have any drones!!.. They need to boost the rookie ship.. Or... Maybe we should compare BCs to BCs??
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can anyone please tell us the drawback to this ship + assault launchers?
Gotta think hard on this one... ummm... How about the fact that it has an abyssmal range? Without skills assaults go out to 7.75km.. Max projection and bombardment and you have 15.5km.. Caldari aren't exactly fast and BCs don't accelerate to quick.. So any medium range ship is going to shut this thing down hard..
you dont have a clue what your talking about do you?
your first comment about that guys ferox quote is bull.. the ferox is crap compared to this since no one uses it for rails.
and your reply to my comment shows your noobness.
try t2 javlin torps that do about 30km... fool and its death to close range gallente ships.
and if you fight mid ranged ships in any close combat ship your likley to loose.
and its not as slow as you think since it has bc agility which is 20% better than before.
so stfu and learn when to speak.
Actually, he's making some good points. Most people just look at DPS, compare two ships, and start crying crocodile tears.
If people actually had the intelligence to factor in the many facets of a ship then they'd get a better idea of balance.
Comparing the Ferox to the Drake is ridiculous. Of course the Drake is going to be better with missiles... IT'S GOT MISSILE BONUSES. Amazing. People who used the Ferox as a missile boat were wasting their time.
The Ferox still has a role... it's a mid-to-long range rail boat... with solid tanking ability and very nice DPS. This whole apples to oranges comparison is laughable. Compare ships with similar roles... something the Drake and the Ferox do not have in common. This conversation is like comparing the Deimos and the Ishtar.
PS. XGS Crimson... learn some manners and try to be considerate instead of insulting people.
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Merin Ryskin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:00:00 -
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Just as a note: it looks like BCU bonuses aren't getting applied to heavy assaults properly (at least they're not being displayed). So you're really going to be doing even MORE damage.
I really can't wait to get this ship in the real world... I'd kind of prefer 10% velocity over 5% resists, but other than that, the Drake is exactly the ship I've been waiting for.
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FFGR
Maza Nostra
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
And that's without rigs of faction stuff
Well, that part will be seen in some time as I'm training for the use/production of Rigs on SiSi and the BPOs for t1 Rigs are seeded...
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Flabida jaba
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch
Edited by: Tovarishch on 25/10/2006 04:03:07
Comparing the Ferox to the Drake is ridiculous. Of course the Drake is going to be better with missiles... IT'S GOT MISSILE BONUSES. Amazing. People who used the Ferox as a missile boat were using it as a very poor stepping stone to get from cruisers to battleships... while continuing to train missiles.
I will disagree with you if i may.
people use missiles on a ferox mostly because the ferox is a more effective
Ship for mission's with a missle fitting...
Lower fitting reqs on heavy launchers leave more room for tank and other stuff..
while fitting turrets is much harder squeeze with a semi-decent tank....requires many more skill points to be effective at killing, can't choose damage type and must change ammo for diffrent ranges
....the ferox is a decent mid range rail ship yes...but no one will fly it!
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Tovarishch
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Flabida jaba
Originally by: Tovarishch
Edited by: Tovarishch on 25/10/2006 04:03:07
Comparing the Ferox to the Drake is ridiculous. Of course the Drake is going to be better with missiles... IT'S GOT MISSILE BONUSES. Amazing. People who used the Ferox as a missile boat were using it as a very poor stepping stone to get from cruisers to battleships... while continuing to train missiles.
I will disagree with you if i may.
people use missiles on a ferox mostly because the ferox is a more effective
Ship for mission's with a missle fitting...
Lower fitting reqs on heavy launchers leave more room for tank and other stuff..
while fitting turrets is much harder squeeze with a semi-decent tank....requires many more skill points to be effective at killing, can't choose damage type and must change ammo for diffrent ranges
....the ferox is a decent mid range rail ship yes...but no one will fly it!
Point taken... and I agree.
However, once all fitting skills are maxed out (which, as you are alluding to, many players (particularly newer ones) will not have finished) the Ferox is not terribly difficult to fit.
Missiles, despite their slightly lower DPS, and simply easier to use for missions and NPCing. They require less attention, do plenty of damage, are readily specialized in... and you can easily choose a damage type. For PVP missiles are a labor of love... and have both advantages and serious drawbacks.
Regardless, you make a good point. However, I firmly believe that the Ferox still has a solid role to fill. It will not be seen as often, there is no doubt about that... but it's cheap, full insurable, requires fewer skills than a battleship, and is a damn good sniper with a solid tank.
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Eela Moonshadow
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:31:00 -
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When are these supposed to be released?
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Hardcore BandBattler
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:42:00 -
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Give the ferox 1 more turret hardpoint and 50 more powergrid. That would make the ferox an effective railboat/sniper able to challenge the other races Battlecruisers. U could even take away a missile hardpoint to prevent people from using the 50 more powergrid as more room for a tank on their current shield extender setup.
I would like for the moa and eagle to have an extra turret hardpoint as well, but i think they would be overpowered at that point going against cruisers of other races. Still though, the moa is supposed to be a tier 3 cruiser, it should be a little tougher. Right now the thorax, rupture, and maller would all pwn it in most situations.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hardcore BandBattler
I would like for the moa and eagle to have an extra turret hardpoint as well, but i think they would be overpowered at that point going against cruisers of other races.
No, they would go from "suck" to "competitive at range". And the Ferox/Vulture need not 1, but 2 more hardpoints and the grid to use them.
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Kapitanleutnant Mei
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kapitanleutnant Mei on 25/10/2006 09:17:12
no ferox is obsolete now- there is no role for it, at mid to long range it is outclassed by a spike brutix, at extreme ranges it has no tank and no real dps.
this is not a problem with the drake but with the ferox and its broken boni and PG/rail slots.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:19:00 -
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Im glad I can fly both caldari and minmatar battlecruisers... both are golden. Caldari for pve, minmatar for pvp. Hopefully. Unless caldari is uber for pvp too. 6 meds...hmm. :p
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Charrette
Nubs.
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Charrette on 25/10/2006 10:05:45
i have no doubt whatsoever that a billion "Nerf the Drake" threads will spring up because heaven forbid missile specced pilots have an alternative to the cerberus for small gang warfare.
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:08:00 -
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Haha, exactly my thoughts. I mean really, an actual alternative to the Raven for DPS.
Oh no, everyone run!
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Tar om
Minmatar
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:17:00 -
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I'm confused. People seem to be complaining that the tier2 caldari BC is better than the tier1 caldari BC. Surely this is what you expected?
Speaking as a Minmatar, if the maelstrom had turned out to be a super replacement for the Tempest, I would have been dancing with joy, not crying for all the good times I'd have in my Tempest...
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Waut
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
Ferox needs more turret Hardpoints. BADLY.
Seconded. As for the Vulture as well
Outbreak! F*** Yeah! Coming again to save the motherf***ing day yeah!
In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
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Sinistro
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:00:00 -
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At last a fun ship that every one can afort to buy :) for sure with ships like this we can expect more players will go into low sec :) Also it will bring down the prices of hacs ( another good thing )
Still the nighthawk and the cerb do more dam and have higher resistances but the price tag and the skills needed to fly them are also higher.
Cant wait for it to come ingame :)
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