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Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Phelan Lore Why's it have to be a tanking bonus? What about 10% optimal, falloff, or tracking? 10% optimal = err... yes pls? I want to be overpowered >_<. 10% falloff = ac boat while it's been stated it's intented as an artillery boat. 7.5% tracking = doesn't really matter that much for the ranges in fleet battles. If someone goes for a closerange slug fest it'll be useful. Otherwise it's an ok bonus at best but won't really matter. I'd rather have a useful tanking bonus instead of tracking. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Phelan Lore Why's it have to be a tanking bonus? What about 10% optimal, falloff, or tracking? because the dev-stated philosophy behind the mael is: artillery boat, heavy and slow, strong tank Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Scordite	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:37:00 - [33] If the mael got 10% shield hp per level, it would only be logical to make the hyperion bonus 10% armor per level, which would cause a bucketload of amarr whines along the line of "not only do we not have enough cap to run our reppers because lasers are messed up, even more so on the aba, and even more appearent now that combat lasts longer thanks to hp increase, but now gallente have more hitpoints as well, I thought we were supposed to be armor tanking specialists?". Just a thought. ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
Tyler Lowe Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Scordite If the mael got 10% shield hp per level, it would only be logical to make the hyperion bonus 10% armor per level, which would cause a bucketload of amarr whines along the line of "not only do we not have enough cap to run our reppers because lasers are messed up, even more so on the aba, and even more appearent now that combat lasts longer thanks to hp increase, but now gallente have more hitpoints as well, I thought we were supposed to be armor tanking specialists?". Just a thought. I disagree with the idea that a mirror is logical. The roles are entirely different. The Maelstrom is to be a fleet artillery boat with a heavy tank. Fleet to me means: 1. No time to be messing around with shield boosters, because even the fastest cycle isn't going to mean anything. 2. Targeting range capability as close to the hard cap on lock range as possible. 3. Enougn range modifiers to push your weapons' range as close to your max lock range as possible. Now it's been said that the Maelstrom was intended to be a "heavily tanked fleet artillery ship". If you eliminate a shield booster (which I think is a given) you're not left with too many options. You can increase shield size, or you can increase resistance. It's pretty much one way or the other. Since the Caldai have resistance sewn up, that leaves really only one option left, and that's a straight HP increase. The way I see this, you either admit that the HP bonus is the only one that makes sense if resistance isn't an option, or you scrap the concept and look for a role where the boost bonus makes sense. I'll let the Gallante pilots worry about their own ships. Not that I don't want everyone to get something good in their tier 3 slot, but I can't see ignoring a good solution to a problem out of fear of what someone else might or might not want and how people may or may not whine about that. J.A.F.O.
Lord Augustus	Posted - 2006.10.25 06:08:00 - [35] You Got To Be Joking.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.10.25 06:14:00 - [36] to me.... heavily tanked = shield booster heavily buffered = shield amount imo I'm actually looking forward to the ship with this bonus, get a nice booster and you'll be able to rep during a fleet battle (unless you're primary but in that case you're dead anyway) 8x 1400mm II XL SB II, 2x invul II, 2x SB II, 1x TC II 3x gyro II, 2x TE II
Jonay 3B Legio IX Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.25 06:23:00 - [37] Edited by: Jonay on 25/10/2006 06:24:42 Edited by: Jonay on 25/10/2006 06:24:25 I think 10% shield is crap, if you are primary you will die anyway, 10 or more against one target, maybe you can survive until the second voley, but that could be 3 second more. Another idea, if Scyte has stolen systems from the osprey, make Maelstorm have stolem systems from Rokh, it already have same slots, make it have same bonuses.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 06:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Deathbarrage to me.... heavily tanked = shield booster heavily buffered = shield amount imo I'm actually looking forward to the ship with this bonus, get a nice booster and you'll be able to rep during a fleet battle (unless you're primary but in that case you're dead anyway) 8x 1400mm II XL SB II, 2x invul II, 2x SB II, 1x TC II 3x gyro II, 2x TE II You will always be called primary. Why? Its bloody obvious. You are doing alpha and have the weakest tank. The bonus of this ship is clearly meant for pirating in low sec or mission running. Bleh... no thanks. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 06:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Jonay Edited by: Jonay on 25/10/2006 06:24:42 Edited by: Jonay on 25/10/2006 06:24:25 I think 10% shield is crap, if you are primary you will die anyway, 10 or more against one target, maybe you can survive until the second voley, but that could be 3 second more. Another idea, if Scyte has stolen systems from the osprey, make Maelstorm have stolem systems from Rokh, it already have same slots, make it have same bonuses. 10% shield is the only proper bonus this ship can get for shield tanking to be a FLEET ship. Not a flotsam, not a trio, not a little orgy of ships... A FLEET. Passive tanking will give it the ability to alpha strike and leave... recharge its main tank naturally... and get back into the fight. If you have ever seen a good fleet move they dont' stay for long. They keep changing sniper positions and widdle the enemy of ships before they take losses. You will still see mega, tempests, geddons and apocs in fleets. What would you choose as a primary first? If you answered resistance boosted or HP boosted ships you are crazy and know nothing of fleet combat and probably are the kind of pilot that shoots Scorpions in fleet combat where they are 160km off ( they put those there to make you think they have ECM all the while they are t2 jav torps with a massive shield tank to absorb idiot FC's calling them primary because they are ECM boats ) 10% HP gives you the best of both worlds. Its not a resistance bonus but it works like one. It gives you the ability to active or passive tank and the ship has enough mids and lows to still keep the MANDATORY modules that make your guns actually work. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
John Phalanx	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:01:00 - [40] Are You stupid read the description its not a fleet ship you have the tempest for that stop this discussion is stupid
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:07:00 - [41] Originally by: John Phalanx Are You stupid read the description its not a fleet ship you have the tempest for that stop this discussion is stupid Are You stupid read the stats for the ship... where in EVE PVP does a 115 m/s active shield tank bonused 8 turret slot minmatar ship fit? If you say gate camping in empire then you loose at life... which is the only place that bloody bonus is useful. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Ipod	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:07:00 - [42] Ahh, Stop crying you big babies, at least you aren't stuck flying Amarr.
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:16:00 - [43] Originally by: John Phalanx Are You stupid read the description its not a fleet ship you have the tempest for that stop this discussion is stupid so what in the description told you that the mael isnt a fleet ship? perhaps this part? : "..., while its 8 turret hardpoints present opportunites for untold carnage on the fleet battlefield." it might not be solely intended as such but if you telling me that they made a slow, heavy on tanking concentrated minni ac-boat then you have little clue about ac's or someone at CCP lost his marbles. Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
John Phalanx	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: John Phalanx Are You stupid read the description its not a fleet ship you have the tempest for that stop this discussion is stupid Are You stupid read the stats for the ship... where in EVE PVP does a 115 m/s active shield tank bonused 8 turret slot minmatar ship fit? If you say gate camping in empire then you loose at life... which is the only place that bloody bonus is useful. In Small Gangs. And This Is The Part Of The Description That Tells me what is the Maelstom For "ideally suited for small raid groups or solo work"
Rockbox Amarr Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:17:00 - [45] I don't know about you guys but if it keeps its current shield boosting bonus im putting an MWD heavy shield tank and autocannons on it and taking it for a spin. With a bunch of Gyro IIs in the lows it should be a beast in a small gang Visit us at VETO FORUMS!!1!
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:18:00 - [46] I'd like a ship that can outdamage the tempest and typhoon... Pity the fool
Druid R Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:24:00 - [47] i was playing about before and got it to boost over 1000 shield every 5s and have decent resists. slap 2 pds t2, 2 gyro t2 and a damage control in the lows , 8 1400's and your laughing. warp in at 40km and blow that hauler away!
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:38:00 - [48] Edited by: Nifel on 25/10/2006 08:40:05 Originally by: Druid R i was playing about before and got it to boost over 1000 shield every 5s and have decent resists. slap 2 pds t2, 2 gyro t2 and a damage control in the lows , 8 1400's and your laughing. warp in at 40km and blow that hauler away! Is that with the current shield boost bonus or the suggested hp bonus? Cause I only get 165 hp/s (825 hp / 5 sec) with 6 shield extenders, 2 pdu2 and the siege warfare gang bonus. edit Was the shield boost bonus >_>. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:44:00 - [49] Originally by: John Phalanx Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: John Phalanx Are You stupid read the description its not a fleet ship you have the tempest for that stop this discussion is stupid Are You stupid read the stats for the ship... where in EVE PVP does a 115 m/s active shield tank bonused 8 turret slot minmatar ship fit? If you say gate camping in empire then you loose at life... which is the only place that bloody bonus is useful. In Small Gangs. And This Is The Part Of The Description That Tells me what is the Maelstom For "ideally suited for small raid groups or solo work" LOL... right. A slow moving ship in a small gang. WHERE IN EVE DOES THAT FIT? Gatecamping in empire that is where. Get a raven and leave my thread. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:48:00 - [50] Originally by: Druid R i was playing about before and got it to boost over 1000 shield every 5s and have decent resists. slap 2 pds t2, 2 gyro t2 and a damage control in the lows , 8 1400's and your laughing. warp in at 40km and blow that hauler away! exactly... the bonus is for nubtastic empire pirates.... as if the raven and scorpion wasn't already built for such a purpose. /vomit Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
John Phalanx	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:49:00 - [51] Lol. I have a raven and its one if not the best bs in the game for samll gangs and guess whats the speed of the raven????
John Phalanx	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:51:00 - [52] Edited by: John Phalanx on 25/10/2006 09:51:33 empire pirates? you have no clue about eve have you ever been in 0.0 in a gang of say 12 people?? and besides do you really want all of your bs to have the same role?? are you that dumb?
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 10:11:00 - [53] Really love that attitude. As if fleets were everything. In fact I bet fleets only really matter to a very small percentage of players as they are laggy, unfun and the influence of a single player and his ship/fitting on the outcome is negligible. Even though I am staunch anti-pirate, I consider empire piracy (i.e. solo/small gang combat) a much worthier game style for a great variety of ships than fleet battling. Heck, even being suicide-ganked is more fun imho than fleet-battling. And since the Tempest is already a pretty good fleet ship, I will gladly vomit on your fleet Maelstrom and rather see it turned into a decent mission runner with a tracking bonus (I do agree though that the shield boost bonus is junk) --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 11:50:00 - [54] Originally by: John Phalanx Edited by: John Phalanx on 25/10/2006 09:51:33 empire pirates? you have no clue about eve have you ever been in 0.0 in a gang of say 12 people?? and besides do you really want all of your bs to have the same role?? are you that dumb? Look stop trolling my thread. I have played EVE longer than I would like to admit and I pvp every day until my friggin eyes bleed in gangs from 3 to 30 people. I have been in 300 man fleet battles as well while being in frigs, BSs to capitals ( at the same time I might add ). If you want to start an epeen contest with me you will fail... Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 11:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Really love that attitude. As if fleets were everything. In fact I bet fleets only really matter to a very small percentage of players as they are laggy, unfun and the influence of a single player and his ship/fitting on the outcome is negligible. Even though I am staunch anti-pirate, I consider empire piracy (i.e. solo/small gang combat) a much worthier game style for a great variety of ships than fleet battling. Heck, even being suicide-ganked is more fun imho than fleet-battling. And since the Tempest is already a pretty good fleet ship, I will gladly vomit on your fleet Maelstrom and rather see it turned into a decent mission runner with a tracking bonus (I do agree though that the shield boost bonus is junk) When you stop running missions maybe I will listen to you. Until then you can go back to your spreadsheet game and get out of my thread. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 11:58:00 - [56] Ohh, threads are now the personal property of arrogant elitist PvP-******* ? That's nice. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:01:00 - [57] Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 25/10/2006 12:02:00 Originally by: Leandro Salazar Ohh, threads are now the personal property of arrogant elitist PvP-******* ? That's nice. The game is balanced for PVP. Get over it. Edit : btw getting around teh profanity filters is a violation of forum rules. Tread lightly. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Oedus Caro Caldari Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:13:00 - [58] Somewhat off-topic, but since you're discussing stats changes: could we also move that 1500s shield recharge time over to the Rokh, Caldari supposedly being the shield geeks, or eliminate it altogether? I'm not trying to upset anyone here, rather I'm just voicing a minor problem I have with the Mael's stats. If you've got a rock-solid reason for this particular feature that is contrary to the backstory, please do explain. For the record, I fly Amarr, not Caldari. /me turns on 4 thermal hardeners, a DC, three LAR's and 3 cap chargers to prepare for the flames he reckons he's going to get anyway.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:22:00 - [59] Originally by: Oedus Caro Edited by: Oedus Caro on 25/10/2006 12:19:57 P.S. Having just read what came immediately above my post: hey Kaylana, way to be a complete ***. If you're that tethered to a game, do think about consulting your local psychiatrist, won't you? for every troll post I get a free bump... Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:23:00 - [60] PvE balancing isn't done for two reasons: 1. It affects only one party (hunter). 2. The other party is a computer, rather stupid, and is thus easy to outsmart This is why using PvE as an argument is no argument in a game where PvP is predominant. Oh, and a tracking bonus won't help it very much at all, you know. Try mission/ratting in a Megathron - tracking just doesn't help as much as you think. - What am I listening to?

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