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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Oedus Caro Somewhat off-topic, but since you're discussing stats changes: could we also move that 1500s shield recharge time over to the Rokh, Caldari supposedly being the shield geeks, or eliminate it altogether?
I'm not trying to upset anyone here, rather I'm just voicing a minor problem I have with the Mael's stats. If you've got a rock-solid reason for this particular feature that is contrary to the backstory, please do explain. For the record, I fly Amarr, not Caldari.
/me turns on 4 thermal hardeners, a DC, three LAR's and 3 cap chargers to prepare for the flames he reckons he's going to get anyway.
for 10% shield HP per level I would say up the shield recharge for the Maelstrom to 1750.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Oedus Caro Somewhat off-topic, but since you're discussing stats changes: could we also move that 1500s shield recharge time over to the Rokh, Caldari supposedly being the shield geeks, or eliminate it altogether?
i agree, let's give 1500s shield recharge time even to the rokh, is right caldari are the shield specialists...
and give to the rokh 4 turret and 4 missiles weapon slots instead of 8 turrets... in the end caldari are missiles specialists and not turret oneS
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Oh, and a tracking bonus won't help it very much at all, you know. Try mission/ratting in a Megathron - tracking just doesn't help as much as you think.
I do it in a Machariel and it does help quite a bit with PvE. Certainly a lot more than a HP boost would. I do have a bit of practical experience (Not the three years that make everyone who has them an omniscient EVE-God , mind you), so I don't just spout this stuff because it looks good or something... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 25/10/2006 12:19:36 Sure it is balanced for PvP, and that is fine. Doesn't mean I cannot voice my opinion though. And for some odd reason the majority of players seems to be more interested in PvE (yes I know a million of them are not worth as much as a single godly PvPer). So I think a bonus benefitting all (Or would better tracking be such a horrible thing for PvP?) would be better than one only benefitting one specific type of play that most don't even delve into?
Besides, avoiding the profanity filter would be something like Tu><f0rd, not using asteriks :P
ok... lets say this together... 180+ KM fights don't need tracking bonuses. We already NEED tracking computers and enhancers for optimal range which we have the Least amount on artillery. Tracking stacks btw. So its a pointless request.
Tracking bonus would be for autocannons which this ship isn't quite positioned for. Look at the powergrid of the Maelstrom with engineering 5, on current stats available to me, there is 26250 pg. 8 800mm II with advanced weapons upgrade 5 is 15840. What are you going to do with that 10410 PG?
Opportunity cost will once again make a broken role'd ship. I'd recon you'd go with 2 Large Armor rep IIs, 1 EANM IIs and a internal force field array and possibly a 1600mm Plate.
MWD in the mids, Cap injector, and 4 ewar/eccm midslots. Yeah... can you say turret based horror? Just what we need... a ship that can tank you, gank you and hold off a freind or two of yours while doing it.
That would be a trevesty to balance imo. All because you'd like to run missions with an autocannon boat.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 25/10/2006 12:53:06
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
ok... lets say this together... 180+ KM fights don't need tracking bonuses. We already NEED tracking computers and enhancers for optimal range which we have the Least amount on artillery. Tracking stacks btw. So its a pointless request.
Like I already said, 180km fleet battles don't concern me, just like PvE doesn't concern you. And ship bonuses are always applied independent of module stacking, so it is NOT a pointless request.
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Tracking bonus would be for autocannons which this ship isn't quite positioned for. Look at the powergrid of the Maelstrom with engineering 5, on current stats available to me, there is 26250 pg. 8 800mm II with advanced weapons upgrade 5 is 15840. What are you going to do with that 10410 PG?
Opportunity cost will once again make a broken role'd ship. I'd recon you'd go with 2 Large Armor rep IIs, 1 EANM IIs and a internal force field array and possibly a 1600mm Plate.
MWD in the mids, Cap injector, and 4 ewar/eccm midslots. Yeah... can you say turret based horror? Just what we need... a ship that can tank you, gank you and hold off a freind or two of yours while doing it.
That would be a trevesty to balance imo. All because you'd like to run missions with an autocannon boat.
Actually I use arties for mission, with the 37.5% Mach bonus and some good tracking comps you can get enough tracking out of them to get excellent damage at 20-50 km range (with T1 ammo that is, I know probably another 'does not matter' for you) and even be able to hit 90% webbed NPC frigs at 10km (using 1200s). As for ACs, you are probably right in that the Mael is ill quite suited for them. Still would be more interesting than a fleet only ship. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Actually I use arties for mission, with the 37.5% Mach bonus and some good tracking comps you can get enough tracking out of them to get excellent damage at 20-50 km range (with T1 ammo that is, I know probably another 'does not matter' for you) and even be able to hit 90% webbed NPC frigs at 10km (using 1200s). As for ACs, you are probably right in that the Mael is ill quite suited for them. Still would be more interesting than a fleet only ship.
ehm have you tried a phoon in missions instead of an 1200mm mach? should be better both in dps and versatility.
imo the phoon is alredy a veeeery fine mission runner, and no need to turn the tier 3 bs to another mission runner... is supposed to be a fleet/arty platform... let's give it bonuses to perform well in this role.
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John Phalanx
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: John Phalanx Edited by: John Phalanx on 25/10/2006 09:51:33 empire pirates? you have no clue about eve have you ever been in 0.0 in a gang of say 12 people?? and besides do you really want all of your bs to have the same role?? are you that dumb?
Look stop trolling my thread. I have played EVE longer than I would like to admit and I pvp every day until my friggin eyes bleed in gangs from 3 to 30 people. I have been in 300 man fleet battles as well while being in frigs, BSs to capitals ( at the same time I might add ). If you want to start an epeen contest with me you will fail...
I dont even know what an epeen is. But let me tell you if you played eve so long looking at your post i can now say you are not a very bright person
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Sonho
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:14:00 -
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The problem isn't the boosting bonus ,i mean come on ,10% per level ?Still crap bonus.
Tuxford really needs to tell us that he wants maelstrom to be a fleet BS,and if so what becomes of the tempest?Or rather what becomes of the maelstrom because i'am not seeing anyone using the maelstrom over the tempest in fleet battles .
But it is a hard decision imean if he puts a 5% damage boost and a rof bonus it will be overpowered,tracking or falloff bonus only if the BS can be fast and agile and i'am not seeying that one coming .
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 25/10/2006 12:53:06
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
ok... lets say this together... 180+ KM fights don't need tracking bonuses. We already NEED tracking computers and enhancers for optimal range which we have the Least amount on artillery. Tracking stacks btw. So its a pointless request.
Like I already said, 180km fleet battles don't concern me, just like PvE doesn't concern you. And ship bonuses are always applied independent of module stacking, so it is NOT a pointless request.
PVE does concern me... where do you think I make my isk I sink into PVP/Corp expansion/toys with?
Quote: Actually I use arties for mission, with the 37.5% Mach bonus and some good tracking comps you can get enough tracking out of them to get excellent damage at 20-50 km range (with T1 ammo that is, I know probably another 'does not matter' for you) and even be able to hit 90% webbed NPC frigs at 10km (using 1200s). As for ACs, you are probably right in that the Mael is ill quite suited for them. Still would be more interesting than a fleet only ship.
Machariels require two races skills. Its a faction ship. It pulls its tracking bonus from Gallente skill.
If you stop and think a moment you are pigeon holing the maelstrom to being a) short range tech 1 ammo ship c) hail ammo and/or c) quake ammo user.
Lets look at this a second..
a) tech 1 short range ammo
where does this best fit? Shield tanking Autocannon setups. Tracking bonus would be less useful in this scenario than the original shield booster bonus.
b) hail ammo
where does this best fit? Obviously autocannons since it is a autocannon ammunition.
c) quake
where does this best fit? situational t2 pvp that doesn't occur as often as it should and still requires tracking computers/enhancers and some type of tank if you want to last. Quake use is best for medium guns where your not risking 200mil in ship parts for short range combat where a gang of t1 kit noob BSs can happily hit you.
Tracking bonus imo is not an option for this ship. You are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: John Phalanx
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: John Phalanx Edited by: John Phalanx on 25/10/2006 09:51:33 empire pirates? you have no clue about eve have you ever been in 0.0 in a gang of say 12 people?? and besides do you really want all of your bs to have the same role?? are you that dumb?
Look stop trolling my thread. I have played EVE longer than I would like to admit and I pvp every day until my friggin eyes bleed in gangs from 3 to 30 people. I have been in 300 man fleet battles as well while being in frigs, BSs to capitals ( at the same time I might add ). If you want to start an epeen contest with me you will fail...
I dont even know what an epeen is. But let me tell you if you played eve so long looking at your post i can now say you are not a very bright person
thanks for boosting my thread to the top again... and btw you have been reported for trolling.
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John Phalanx
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:18:00 -
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Its not suppused to be an fleet bs maybe it was sometime ago but not now get over it. Im not saying its only use its for missions but forget about fleets. I cant understend why do you want to make the tempest obsolete. And whats this about the rokh you want to bring the rokh into the discussion are we comparing battleships now? are you sure you guys want to start comparing battleships? You want to put some missiles hardpoints in the Rokh becouse its our specialty. Ok... lets take away the missiles and drones form all non caldari and non gallente ships, and lets take the shild tanking off non caldari Ships too, you know why Couse it our specialty. Plese next time you want to express your stupidity do it in your corps channel.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sonho The problem isn't the boosting bonus ,i mean come on ,10% per level ?Still crap bonus.
Tuxford really needs to tell us that he wants maelstrom to be a fleet BS,and if so what becomes of the tempest?Or rather what becomes of the maelstrom because i'am not seeing anyone using the maelstrom over the tempest in fleet battles .
But it is a hard decision imean if he puts a 5% damage boost and a rof bonus it will be overpowered,tracking or falloff bonus only if the BS can be fast and agile and i'am not seeying that one coming .
The tempest is and probably always will be used as a geurilla sniper and autocannon deamon. Just like the mega is a good close range ship and sniper.
I will use a Maelstrom because it looks better than all the other battleships save for the abaddon ( which my alt will be using ). This ship is also a match made in heaven for logistic ships...
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 25/10/2006 13:28:59
Originally by: Ath Amon
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Actually I use arties for mission, with the 37.5% Mach bonus and some good tracking comps you can get enough tracking out of them to get excellent damage at 20-50 km range (with T1 ammo that is, I know probably another 'does not matter' for you) and even be able to hit 90% webbed NPC frigs at 10km (using 1200s). As for ACs, you are probably right in that the Mael is ill quite suited for them. Still would be more interesting than a fleet only ship.
ehm have you tried a phoon in missions instead of an 1200mm mach? should be better both in dps and versatility.
imo the phoon is alredy a veeeery fine mission runner, and no need to turn the tier 3 bs to another mission runner... is supposed to be a fleet/arty platform... let's give it bonuses to perform well in this role.
Lol of course. I have run missions in every battleship there is so far, except the Scorp. Raven and its faction brethern are of course the number one, but they are kind of boring so when I was rich enough for a second faction-fitted ship I dusted off my Mach and started fitting it for funs sake. Turns out besides being fun it also was quite effective. Instant and full damage against cruisers and frigs really helps, even if total DPS is not staggering (Still close to cruise Raven though). The Phoon really suffers from split slots and too much of its DPS is made up by drones which are somewhat inefficient to use and cannot even be launched in some missions. And if you want to run siegeII + arty you run into serious PG issues. Phoon is really best at close range PvP. That is what I use it for anyway. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Lol of course. I have run missions in every battleship there is so far, except the Scorp. Raven and its faction brethern are of course the number one, but they are kind of boring so when I was rich enough for a second faction-fitted ship I dusted off my Mach and started fitting it for funs sake. Turns out besides being fun it also was quite effective. Instant and full damage against cruisers and frigs really helps, even if total DPS is not staggering (Still close to cruise Raven though). The Phoon really suffers from split slots and too much of its DPS is made up by drones which are somewhat inefficient to use and cannot even be launched in some missions. And if you want to run siegeII + arty you run into serious PG issues. Phoon is really best at close range PvP. That is what I use it for anyway.
My CEO does missions in a fully domination/officer kit machariel and while there is something to be said about its ability to stop lvl 4 missions so can my Typhoon with my skills and domination/officer kit. Its the beauty of having an enourmous amount of your SP geared to pure combat.
I'd even go a step further to say that the phoon is a better mission ship than the mach in every respect if you had the same amount of SP and Isk invested into it. But you have to have my kind of SP geared to maxing the typhoon out.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 25/10/2006 13:28:59 Lol of course. I have run missions in every battleship there is so far, except the Scorp. Raven and its faction brethern are of course the number one, but they are kind of boring so when I was rich enough for a second faction-fitted ship I dusted off my Mach and started fitting it for funs sake. Turns out besides being fun it also was quite effective. Instant and full damage against cruisers and frigs really helps, even if total DPS is not staggering (Still close to cruise Raven though). The Phoon really suffers from split slots and too much of its DPS is made up by drones which are somewhat inefficient to use and cannot even be launched in some missions. And if you want to run siegeII + arty you run into serious PG issues. Phoon is really best at close range PvP. That is what I use it for anyway.
/OT mode on actually i use cruise + 3 1200mm and it works very well... 1200 on dest, BC and BS, cruise on everything else cept frigs... javs sure will be (ehm where) better dps wise but as you say more pg hungry and waaaay more expensive to use.
i also use drones whitout any problem in every mission, the only time i droneaggroed something was cause i was falling asleep and had a drone range mod. /ot mode off
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 13:40:09
I think think they should put some focus into the 3 minmatar battleships.
Tempest - armor tanked, long range artillery ship. 140 m/s. Typhoon - armor tanked, close range low-tier autocannon/missiles ship. 150 m/s. Maelstrom - shield tanked, speedy, high-tier autocannon ship (bigger Cyclone) 160 m/s
But nobody listens to me. The Maelstrom even LOOKS speedy, but... its not. 
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:38:00 -
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Well I got T2 Sieges, T2 Heavy drones, dimininshing nossies and a faction tank. Doesn't get much better than that, and I find the Mach to be better than the phoon, even though the Mach only uses T1 guns (albeit Officer ones). But maybe that is just personal preference. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 13:38:21 I think think they should put some focus into the 3 minmatar battleships.
Typhoon - armor tanked, close range low-tier autocannon/missiles ship. 140 m/s. Tempest - armor tanked, long range artillery ship. 150 m/s. Maelstrom - shield tanked, speedy, high-tier autocannon ship (bigger Cyclone) 160 m/s
But nobody listens to me. The Maelstrom even LOOKS speedy, but... its not. 
I do! I like that. Sadly I don't matter...  --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 13:38:21 I think think they should put some focus into the 3 minmatar battleships.
Typhoon - armor tanked, close range low-tier autocannon/missiles ship. 140 m/s. Tempest - armor tanked, long range artillery ship. 150 m/s. Maelstrom - shield tanked, speedy, high-tier autocannon ship (bigger Cyclone) 160 m/s
But nobody listens to me. The Maelstrom even LOOKS speedy, but... its not. 
phoon the slowest ship? argh... shoo shoo  if i will change something in the phoon will be 6 missiles/2 turrets, missile rof and speed bonus  
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon
phoon the slowest ship? argh... shoo shoo  if i will change something in the phoon will be 6 missiles/2 turrets, missile rof and speed bonus  
Still faster than the other races. :) But yeah, perhaps give it some more speed, I dont know. :)
Too much versatility is just crap. Compare Cyclone and Hurricane. What ship do you want to fly? Exacly, the one without the stinking shield boosting bonus and damage instead. 
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Vera Nosfyu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Ath Amon
phoon the slowest ship? argh... shoo shoo  if i will change something in the phoon will be 6 missiles/2 turrets, missile rof and speed bonus  
Still faster than the other races. :) But yeah, perhaps give it some more speed, I dont know. :)
Too much versatility is just crap. Compare Cyclone and Hurricane. What ship do you want to fly? Exacly, the one without the stinking shield boosting bonus and damage instead. 
I dunno, Jim, with the new heavy assault missiles I think the 3 missile hardpoints on the Cycloen are going to see a lot more use. -----------------------------------------------------------
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Too much versatility is just crap. Compare Cyclone and Hurricane. What ship do you want to fly? Exacly, the one without the stinking shield boosting bonus and damage instead. 
i don't consider that versatility...
i think that in eve there is a bit misconception about it... many people think that versatility is just to be able to fit different things (eg phoon 4 missile/4 turret) but that is not real versatility.
versatility is about to do different jobs in an efficent way
for example let's take as an example the "old" CNR... this, for slot/fitting standards is a very specialized missileboat... but the way it can be fitted and the result on the field shows that instead it is a very versatile boat.
offensive wise it is a ship capable to hit at full damage at any range, to fully chose its damage type and to be able to hit fast and small ships for decent damage.
defensive again it have many options, its weapon have no requirement of mods like tracking comp or even webbers... it can chose to fit a low cap usage passive tank or a very effective active tank... it can even go with an armor tank + ecm setup.
as you see, even if the slots are quite "specialized" the final result offer huge versatility both for offensive and defensive solution.
there are also ships with specialized slot allocation that don't translate in versatility, and some with "strange" ones that are very versatile... but again to determine the versatility we should look at the "result on the field" and not by the slot allocation.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Well I got T2 Sieges, T2 Heavy drones, dimininshing nossies and a faction tank. Doesn't get much better than that, and I find the Mach to be better than the phoon, even though the Mach only uses T1 guns (albeit Officer ones). But maybe that is just personal preference.
You have to be kidding me right? Siege on a mission running ship? No wonder you don't find it appropriate you don't have the right kit.
3 x hakim's 1200 4 x cruise IIs 1 small tractor beam
domination 100mn ab 3 x chelm's cap rechargers
1 chelm's large armor rep 2 x centus x-type harders of primary rat damage 1 x centus x-type harder of secondary rat damage 1 corelum energized adpative nano 1 BCU II 1 PDU II
Assortment of your favorite drones to fit the occasion
will walk all over any lvl 4 mission in the game. It will require a lot of skill points and a lot of isk. But as a machariel pilot you'd already be tipping 2 billion for a respectable setup that would justify your ship not off looks alone.
Anyways... we don't need to take the mission running setups any further. You can buy your way into a fat bird that fits any type of game play you want. Maelstrom's shouldn't be balanced with lvl 4's in mind... nothing beats a gist-x/crystal raven anyways.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vera Nosfyu
I dunno, Jim, with the new heavy assault missiles I think the 3 missile hardpoints on the Cycloen are going to see a lot more use.
Thats a good point, yeah. Putting that on my "have to play with" list for the test server, when I get in... sometime next year, it seems. :p
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon "about versatility"
Well, then every ship with 5-6 medium slots and 5-6 low slots are versatile. And yeah, I think you are right. Ships like Raven and Dominix are versatile simply because of their slot layout. The Maelstrom will be pretty versatile too.
In the end, its pretty good to have some versatility I guess. I wouldnt want to fly one of those Amarr ships... (just kidding to upset some Amarr people).. .
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
You have to be kidding me right? Siege on a mission running ship? No wonder you don't find it appropriate you don't have the right kit.
Alright, that statement alone tells me everything about your alleged clue about missions. But you are right, no point in delving any further into the matter. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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SmokeMeAKipper
System-Lords E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:46:00 -
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I like the 10% hp bonus idea.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 13:40:09
I think think they should put some focus into the 3 minmatar battleships.
Tempest - armor tanked, long range artillery ship. 140 m/s. Typhoon - armor tanked, close range low-tier autocannon/missiles ship. 150 m/s. Maelstrom - shield tanked, speedy, high-tier autocannon ship (bigger Cyclone) 160 m/s
But nobody listens to me. The Maelstrom even LOOKS speedy, but... its not. 
Jim wins thread. This would be a very good way to have the Matari ships used, and makes perfect sense.
I like the sheild boost bonus for the Mael if it becomes and AC platform. Although i would prefere a damage bonus to an ROF bonus. The amount of ammo consumed by those guns is going to be a bit much with ACs.
Why force the Mael into a fleet role that the tempest already performs. Just add 1 more turret spot for tempest and I think it would be a great fleet ship.
Now will the OP shut up, or ask a mod to delete all here posts, or do it herself. Trying to read through and find a decent idea is incredibly hard do mostly to here posts.
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Imhotep Khem
Vortex.
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin PvE balancing isn't done for two reasons: 1. It affects only one party (hunter). 2. The other party is a computer, rather stupid, and is thus easy to outsmart
This is why using PvE as an argument is no argument in a game where PvP is predominant...
Rediculous. ECM is the way it is specifically because of PvE.
As for 10% HP bonus, that would be nice, but we made the same argument for the Cyclone, and it didnt work their either. CCP wants to suddenly make Minmatar some shield tanking missile shooting race, nothing we can do to stop them. I don't expect they will change at all from shield boost bonus. Nor will they change from minmatar having hardly any cap to boost shields with...C'est la vie.
Damage bonus would give some nicer wrecks. ROF bonus would give more frequent wrecks. Plus 5% ROF is better than 5% damage so I take the ROF. ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle |

Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
You have to be kidding me right? Siege on a mission running ship? No wonder you don't find it appropriate you don't have the right kit.
Alright, that statement alone tells me everything about your alleged clue about missions. But you are right, no point in delving any further into the matter.
LOL... 
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