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Akira2501
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Posted - 2006.10.25 18:19:00 -
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CCP, Please do something about the long wait times for Material Research. This que length is really getting out of ridiculously long. ItÆs not just in hub systems anymore.
IÆve read other posts to this effect, but the problem is getting continuously worse and is aggravated by the fact that there seems to a bug in the que system. Jobs often lock up EVE on ôCalculating Quoteö.
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Hal Seldon
Gallente Trader's Academy Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Hal Seldon on 25/10/2006 19:31:19 There are several services offering Material Research, may I point you for example to C-R-A
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=371850&page=1
which is currently in the finishing stages of undergoing a restructuring
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=413338
You are welcome to watch the space of "Market Discussion" and/or "Sell Orders" in this forum for more information about more research services in empire becoming available in the future.
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Akira2501
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Posted - 2006.10.25 19:48:00 -
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Wow, thatÆs really cool! ThatÆs what I love about EVE, when players can group together to find a creative solution to a problem.
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Akira2501
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:14:00 -
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IÆve checked this out. As innovative as this is, itÆs nearly impossible for new scientist to afford the 3 million per week just to research basic, low cost bpos.
I have not found a single NPC owned research facility in the region of space IÆm in nor to 2 bordering regions that has a wait time less than 2 weeks per slot!
So although I applaud user efforts to remedy this, I must say that this is making the industry route very tedious for new players. I know CCP wants to push everyone into low-sec to be easy targets for the teenage Neanderthals to feed on, but come on! Help a rookie out CCP!
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Dei
Crystaline Green Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.10.26 01:06:00 -
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Just keep looking, I found a few on 4 days in a cheap station (not the cheapest, but didn't really want to risk that many BPOS in low sec). Just queue them up and leave them for a month, before you know it, they'll be ready for you.
Also, I fail to see what the calculating of the quote has anything to do with queue time as no BPO goes in without accepting the quote, therefore, to my understanding, the slot will not have changed since when EVE froze the quote. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Hori To
Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.26 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Akira2501 there seems to a bug in the que system. Jobs often lock up EVE on ôCalculating Quoteö.
that they should fix, giving more public lab slots kills enterprising players effort at creating, research is fine.
just my 2 cents.
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ForceMajeure
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Posted - 2006.10.26 01:48:00 -
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It seems a rather simple solution would be to have 2 restrictions.
Limit days in research (as is currently)
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Limit the # of iterations a BPO can be researched at once. say, 20.
Part of the problem is everytime I talk to a noob-manufacturer they think they need to research everyone of thier ammo BPOs to 1500.
This causes ME slots to almost always be reserved for the maximum amount of time.
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:07:00 -
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Hopefully the Contracts system will make it easier for people to source BPCs to do their building with. You could also try the Blueprints channel to get pre-researched BPOs.
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Akira2501
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Akira2501 on 26/10/2006 15:05:20 Edited by: Akira2501 on 26/10/2006 15:03:51 I petitioned the lock up issue, and it turned out that it is somewhat my fault. (I am a bit of a rookie to industry operations).
I tried to install a job in a station where I did not have a bpo present. Instead of posting a error message this game simply froze up. So my fault for incorrect procedure and the only ôbugö is a freeze instead of an error message.
After a quick petition response, a message did appear and the problem was solved.
BTW: Yes I can stick a BPO on que, and just be patient. I think I have been patient, but I look at it this way: My manufacturing character is an alt, on a full paying account of his own. I spent real money paying CCP as my character just sat in station and learned the required skills. Now I have to wait over a 2 weeks per slot, per BPO research. I find this offensive! So basically IÆm paying CCP $19 per month just to wait in que. Now, eventually this character will fly a freighter and run a high-sec POS, but right now IÆm just trying to pay my dues and build something here. I understand that the game is designed to move at a slower, more realistic pace, but IÆm loosing patients with these que times and right now IÆm paying real money for nothing.
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Greenbolt
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:49:00 -
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Even in low sec Queues arent short. I often have to wait 1-2 weeks in 0.3 stations for research to start. I agree CCP should seed say 10-20 percent more research NPC slots. Put them all in low sec if you have to..but just make them available.
(Just please god dont put them in jita.)
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2006.10.26 18:40:00 -
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If the real-money cost is concerning you, it's cheaper to pay someone with a research POS to do it for you so you can start ...
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Akira2501
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Posted - 2006.10.26 18:49:00 -
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I suppose you are correct, but still I enjoy the playing EVE and IÆd like to do it myself. ItÆs not the money, but the principal of it. I spent a lot of time training up, now I want to use my character and I run into this.
IÆve done searches and it seems that IÆm not the first to bring this up, but the situation does seem to be getting worse as time goes on. ThatÆs why I feel itÆs important to bring up.
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Alty McScouty
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:00:00 -
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I have just put 5 BPOs in for ME research, no queues at all. This was in 0.0 (not going to say the region as this will mean they all dissapear) though so there is of course risk involved. There are things you can do to minimize this, such as go just after DT use a fast warping ship and such. It all comes down to the risk vs reward, you risk your BPOs you get no/small queues.
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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.10.27 02:24:00 -
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Like many other things in eve, the factory slots have not expanded sufficiently with the population growth.
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Viktoria Maher
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:09:00 -
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True, but I regularly find slots that have ~5 days left until free.
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Korad Konstentyn
Shadowdancers Digital Press
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Posted - 2006.10.27 04:01:00 -
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Really, it's not impossible to get a small tower and a lab up and running to do ME research, and the 25% speed increase in research is worth is, there's plenty of moon sstill available in 0.3, and if you throw up a moon miner and sell the minerals, you can offset your fuel costs quite nicely.
I survived as an industrial guy by buying BPC's from escrow, and when I had enough money for a BC BPO, I bit the bullet and setup the small POS instead - the extra speed of doing BP research and the lack of waiting, has paid for itself just in terms of having that many more BPO's at high ME and PE that much faster.
I know this sounds like a 'deal with it' kind of answer, but I'm really pushing the point that, EVE isnt fair, and the successful adapt to survive, that's the fun of the game really.
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Liberty Belle
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Posted - 2006.10.27 05:43:00 -
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I'm doing mobile research in high sec. empire space.
30min BPOs: flat rate 7,500 isk per ME/PE level 1 - 3+ hour BPOs: 20,000 isk per hour 1 - 3+ day BPOs: 17,500 isk per hour
I'm currently researching all of the above, of which includes a battleship BPO. Very happy repeat customers. Not looking take over the industry, just want some steady business to help offset the POS cost.
My reasearch alt has all high level skills; you are getting the abosulte best time efficiency research for your money!
I can put up some collateral if necessary, but I haven't had any issues with timely work and the terms are you pay when the work is complete.
I'd love to have a few more clients to work with!
EVE-Mail me if you'd like more information.
-Belle
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Akira2501
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:15:00 -
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As far as slots go û Those willing to live in low-sec have opportunities, true. I enjoy this occasionally, but for the most part IÆm not a big low-sec fan. I like the excitement it brings to the game, IÆm not one to complain about high-sec ganks, but IÆm sick of being forced down there just for industry uses.
I like the economy and market aspects of this game quite a bit. EVE is setup very much like a real economyà.EXCEPT for the fact that scientists, manufacturers, traders, and other industrialists are forced to live in the EVE ghetto!
I would just like to see more opportunities to build up an empire of my own. Players before me had the opportunity, I think I should too. I need to start at the bottom, which I donÆt mind, I just need some affordable slots available in a reasonable amount of time.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:02:00 -
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bring all your BPOs to curse, specifically to G-G78S. we have lots of open ME slots
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2006.10.28 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akira2501
I like the economy and market aspects of this game quite a bit. EVE is setup very much like a real economyà.EXCEPT for the fact that scientists, manufacturers, traders, and other industrialists are forced to live in the EVE ghetto!
I would just like to see more opportunities to build up an empire of my own. Players before me had the opportunity, I think I should too. I need to start at the bottom, which I donÆt mind, I just need some affordable slots available in a reasonable amount of time.
In actual fact, CRA (as mentioned above, thanks for the mention ) operate in a 0.5 system, so you never have to go near low-sec. You have every ability to build your own empire anyway. As you have mentioned, it does take time, and quite a lot of cash.
The reason our slots are charged at 3m per week, is due to :
* POS Fuel costs * Employee Salary Costs * Charters required to run the outpost in high security empire under concord protection * Profit for shareholders * Ability to repay the initial outlay (over 6 billion isk) over time
If you decide to take our avenue, or even want to become a sub-contracting researcher (offering your own research services utilising our labs yourself) please contact myself or Erfnam (much easier to contact) in-game.
Insured Research and Production Services |
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Niaal
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Posted - 2006.10.28 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Akira2501 CCP, Please do something about the long wait times for Material Research. This que length is really getting out of ridiculously long. It’s not just in hub systems anymore.
I’ve read other posts to this effect, but the problem is getting continuously worse and is aggravated by the fact that there seems to a bug in the que system. Jobs often lock up EVE on “Calculating Quote”.
Fully agree. Make the NPC research slot prices increase (more) with demand, please.
I'm sure most of the me research being done is pointless anyway..
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Trollin
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Posted - 2006.10.31 03:57:00 -
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CCP should allow current jobs to finish, freeze NPC slots to new work, and remove all NPC labs with Kali.
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Caol
The Smoking Room
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Trollin CCP should allow current jobs to finish, freeze NPC slots to new work, and remove all NPC labs with Kali.
Now that ... would make things verrrrry interesting
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2006 11:45:57
Theres over 200 npc station based labs slots available where i live... -----
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.31 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 31/10/2006 15:02:09 A small POS is minimally expensive to operate, and it can fit a lab just fine.
The difference between a dedicated scientist and a casual scientist is the amount of time and effort they're willing to put into their work. If you're dedicated, getting together with other dedicated people and getting a small POS running really is pretty trivial.
If you're not dedicated, well, join the mob of players wanting to do research with a simple, easy click and no other effort required - and enjoy the 1-week wait.
Before anyone starts lobbing around accusations about how I've never done that, in point of fact I did - I started out casual, and one of the main reasons my corp put up its first POS was to have our own lab access. Now we have three, and in another two months we should have just about every T1 BPO in the game at pragmatic-ideal. The POS pays for itself with BPC sales at this point.
Don't ask CCP to fix the problem; make your own solution. It makes you stronger - and there are thousands of moons left available to claim.
The Dead Parrot Shoppe: always hiring the intelligent/mature, ubernoob or vet. Experience we can give you; brains, we can't. |
Victor Valka
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.31 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 31/10/2006 15:02:09 A small POS is minimally expensive to operate, and it can fit a lab just fine.
The difference between a dedicated scientist and a casual scientist is the amount of time and effort they're willing to put into their work. If you're dedicated, getting together with other dedicated people and getting a small POS running really is pretty trivial.
If you're not dedicated, well, join the mob of players wanting to do research with a simple, easy click and no other effort required - and enjoy the 1-week wait.
Before anyone starts lobbing around accusations about how I've never done that, in point of fact I did - I started out casual, and one of the main reasons my corp put up its first POS was to have our own lab access. Now we have three, and in another two months we should have just about every T1 BPO in the game at pragmatic-ideal. The POS pays for itself with BPC sales at this point.
Don't ask CCP to fix the problem; make your own solution. It makes you stronger - and there are thousands of moons left available to claim.
I agree. Simple as that. Or pay someone to do it for you.
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Vanlade
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.31 22:58:00 -
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Fix it yourself.
I installed a small starbase in a 0.3 system and moved my bpo to a station. Now I am using 9 ME slots just for me, which research 25% faster.
CCP gave us the tools to fix it, use them.
Note that if you don't have the money for a pos right now, then eve-mail me and we can work out a deal.
- Vanlade
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CadmiuOne
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: CadmiuOne on 02/11/2006 09:08:49 BAH .. I have to say to u guys u complain to much ... we'll every problem has a solution I hope u realize that ... It's easy just get in a corp with POS'es that have labs and this way u'r problems are solwed . And of cours the npc's stations are always qued ... cos lets be realistic guys we'r about 100k ppl that research and only a thousand stations able to be used ... and the lame thing is that I have like 5 ME slots in the POS labs always FREE ... man I realy look forward to kali .. this way from contracts I'm surley going to pay the fuel for the POS !
PS. when I see a 5k/ hour npc station been qued I have to say ppl are willing to pay even unreasonable prices for reaserch .. and that worms my hart! " Discovery is dangerousàbut so is life. A man unwilling to take risk is doomed never to learn, never to grow,never to live." |
Saerid
Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu bring all your BPOs to curse, specifically to G-G78S. we have lots of open ME slots
Yup, Curse would be it. Admittedly not the safest place around but right now it probably has the majority of the open lab slots in the game. Works for those who know their way around 0.0
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:42:00 -
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*shrug* I have no fear of lowsec, and some spare ISK, so I've bought a BPO and stuck it in an lowsec lab slot with a 1 day wait. Even though I have rubbish research skills I expect to make a profit on reselling it researched later.
Hopefully the contracts system will improve the market for research services.
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