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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.25 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 25/10/2006 20:07:34
Advantages:
 Safety for carebears. (oh noes, clock, warp out)
Empire wars, you know they re here.they know you re here.
most obvious advantage to why CCP would do this is lag reduction, i can see how opening show info in a blobbed system could affect the server.
Disadvantages:
Gadamn it, the list is endless.
jumping unto someone has a 90% less chance of success than the current system, i could jump on a 20 man mining op, and they will know i am here right away.
in my case my name begins with R, to luckily i wont be seen.
if your name begins with A, you are seriously F***d , your name will show up first on the list, seriously guys.
there are so many reasons why this is a bad idea, and it encourages camping a lot more, as it could turn out to be the only way to get a kill.
My wish is that Local will be completely removed from the game.
no local chat
no constellation chat
no region chat.
If you want local, you have to buy a Scanner module that mounts on your POS or something. could tell you everything withing 10-20-50 au.
that part is for CCP to decide. my alternatives my just favor my own gaming style.
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"Don't touch the RED b
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 19:57:00 -
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i agree on all..
its the most stupid thing i ever seen
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.10.25 19:59:00 -
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So local stays? I thought it was gone, now this.. wtf. 
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Garramon
Gallente
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Garramon on 25/10/2006 20:00:13
Meh, the people who pay attention to local already know when a hostile enters. The others will still die.
BTW, what does this have to do with Ships and Modules?
For some reason the fact that ~50% of the people replying to the thread fail to read and understand the point of the OP is hilarious.
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:01:00 -
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Doesnt matter because people already have altered thier client to add this "feature", ccp is just leveling the playing field for everyone since they cant/wont do anything about the 3rd party mods.
I agree it does have its disadvantages and advantages. But if in the end it improves server performance and reduces lag, Im all for it I guess.
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Nebuli
Caldari
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
Doesnt matter because people already have altered thier client to add this "feature", ccp is just leveling the playing field for everyone since they cant/wont do anything about the 3rd party mods.
I agree it does have its disadvantages and advantages. But if in the end it improves server performance and reduces lag, Im all for it I guess.
Yeah tbh I dont think they would have implemented this unless some "exploiters" werent actualy already doing it and gaining an unfair advantage over others.
Still think they should just remove local realy, or have it so that it doesnt show numbers in local, and only shows the person is there should they speak, or something.
CEO - Art of War
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
Doesnt matter because people already have altered thier client to add this "feature", ccp is just leveling the playing field for everyone since they cant/wont do anything about the 3rd party mods.
I agree it does have its disadvantages and advantages. But if in the end it improves server performance and reduces lag, Im all for it I guess.
listen to this man
Originally by: Oveur
This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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TerrorWOLF
J.H.E.N.R
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:07:00 -
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Maybe now that you dont have to use your peoples and places to put hostiles the servers wont have to send logon/off alers allthe time as you will have your friends in there not your enemys
May Your Death Be Slow And Painful
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john2
Minmatar
Drones of Annihilation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:07:00 -
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well you ever jump into a system and had to go throught 20 to 30 to find out if they are frendly or not it lag the hell out when you need yo upload picture
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:08:00 -
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I don't know whats the big fuzz with that, I got all the rats in my addressbook anyway, and if I see a faceless dude I treat him as pirate too until I can check him out and add him to my addressbook if applicable. The only thing this will do is take pressure off the addressbooks.
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Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Mikal Drey
Angels and Demons
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:10:00 -
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hey hey
I dunno. I kinda like it. Ive always tagged all war targets by using the address book and the new local tag makes life alot easier.
IMHO it hasnt changed the game one little bit. Most sensible people check local anyway and those at war know who they fight. I think its just made life that little faster :)
please do add the disadvantages as tbh i cant see them.
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Drutort
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:12:00 -
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also with dictors and bubbles, and esp later on large bubbles in the game... it wont matter if you see local or not, in 0.0 at least, you will be dead either way, but in empire there are far too many people in local, and too many stations or systems either way... and the only way to combat is with war, so i dont see the problem about empire, people jumping in and out constantly, having queues or whatever and so on...
the point being 0.0 is the place to go, if you want a home and want to defend it... so empire is just you having the privilege to stay at and have to fallow rules and while having a war that concord/empires recognize were you can play in there backyard.
All it means is both sides, carebears pvpers pirates have to be more alert and aware, and this tool gives them thisą but just requires now more effortą but with the nerf to WCS this is fine now
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Jonay
3B Legio IX
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:21:00 -
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I like this, anyway, local crashes averytime in 0.0, even there is people who know how to crush it, so, it won't be much usefull until they do something with that.
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Metternich Stele
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:21:00 -
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If you are empire warring against a high volume target in a very busy system its likely you are generating alot of unecessary server load by constantly checking new arrivals bios for enemy targets and your "buddy list" is full of people you would rather shoot at than buy a pint...
It's also a very unrewarding activity. Having said that I would rather see local go altogher unless you decide to speak up.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:25:00 -
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Well I kinda like this idea... though I'd like it a lot more if local went away.
I use local because it's there. Showing info on 30 people is a real pain.
IMO this makes local better than it currently is, but the state of pvp would be better if local was ditched altogether.
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Drutort
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:31:00 -
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new idea...
local is gone in systems without any pos or station
local is present in 0.0 were there is a pos and or a station
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Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:33:00 -
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It seems that only the pvpers want it to go. They already got their wcs nerf, so now they want to make life even harder for "honest" players (those that don't earn a living by blowing up other people and stealing their stuff). They want free ganks / killmails for their e-peens!
Now to try and be a bit constructive:
Remove local channel, and watch all those juicy targets refuse to leave empire. Remove local and watch every low sec entry system turn into their own local HED-GP / N-RAEL. Remove local and watch the number of people in 0.0 drop.
imo, removing local totally without replacing it with something is a very bad idea for everyone. Perhaps with the new local change, and having a constellation chat channel instead, with a number of people in system next to the system display would be an alternative.
Akkarin
Linkage
<3 - Immy
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Agent2 Holtze
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:36:00 -
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Agreed on all.
the only thing is that this would make force recons ships imposimble to catch or find before it's to late.
And i think it would be nice with a constalation chat instead of local chat.
Posting and you!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:42:00 -
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Local is getting removed someday, so this in only temporary at best.
In the mean time, I think its an ok short-term fix. It doesn't tell you anything you didn't know already through tagging and show-infos, but it does take away a god awful amount of server lag. In otherwords, nothings changed except the lag. And less lag is good, right?
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:50:00 -
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all they have to do is make cloaked ships not be on local. then you can say dont want to be seen buy a cloak and all is even
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
Doesnt matter because people already have altered thier client to add this "feature", ccp is just leveling the playing field for everyone since they cant/wont do anything about the 3rd party mods.
I agree it does have its disadvantages and advantages. But if in the end it improves server performance and reduces lag, Im all for it I guess.
There is some limit to pragmatism, where it becomes a worrying trend. The client can also easily be coerced into safespotting when local rises or (with a bit more fiddling) when local rises by a non-friendly. I doubt you're trying to tell me that should be a feature too?
I do however agree in concept, that it's by itself not a horrendous change. It does however set a very worrying precedent.
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:02:00 -
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REMOVE LOCAL 
Originally by: Tuxford
Ah yes the Amarrians. Now bear with me apparantly I don't play Amarr or have ever heard of them, I read it on the forums.
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Centurin on 25/10/2006 21:08:04
I think the change is great. It means I can finally put actual friends in my address book.
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:42:00 -
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And this is in Ships and Modules why?
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:42:00 -
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Honest players?
look if you want this game to be bad for PVP, you should consider kitty iland adventures.
MMORPG.COM polls have shown that the majority would play an mmo just for PVP, and not role play.
I Agree to Remove Local as soon as there is an alternative.
That alternative could well be a POS module, or some play with sovereignty.
sovereignty could be used to show local as well as secure stations.
also Please NURF amarr,
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Paigan
Amarr
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:43:00 -
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I want to say two things:
1.) flame for the op
2.) but still agreement for his point of view, but in another way
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1.) Local standing just saves the players the extreme boredom of checking every single player listed.
You can't really say something against removing extreme pointless boredom. Otherwise I would have to think... well you know what i mean
2.) But i see that systems maybe get "too" safe in some kind.
I think what you should want to say is "remove local" and not "local standing is stupid".
Although i like local standings very much ( no i'm no carebear, i'm in 0.0, too), i would understand if it was removed.
Of at least if people demand to remove it.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:46:00 -
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Clicking show info is dull. This is a needed change.
The relative merits of local is a separate issue.
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DaemonBarber
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:49:00 -
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It removes the need to check every bio - and thus reduces lag.
It removes the need to add every single hostile to your address book.
It STILL needs to be removed / made into constellation chat / remove the announce on enter, but that's not happening yet, so atleast this addresses some lag issues.
You cannot whine about both lag and lag fixes without being a total nub.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:50:00 -
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LOCAL SOLUTION
*Have Local Only Show Friends. alliance and corp only.
Corps with high standings should only appear in local if they have you positive as well.
to avoid exploits.
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EveNo
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:53:00 -
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I think its great, if not for anything else THE REDUCE OF LAGG... to me almost anything is ok if it truely reduce lagg which is the ultimate ganker.
hoorayyyy for KALI!!!! \0/
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