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Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:47:00 - [1] Rokh Neutron II x 8 MWD II x 1 XL Booster II x 1 Boost Amp x 1 Invul II x 2 Heavy Elec Cap Booster x 1 RCU x 1 Internal DC x 1 Magfield II x 3 9km optimal and 12.5k falloff before ammo, 66/86/79/73 resistances.
starship enginer	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:52:00 - [2] needs a webber range will be nice, and your 9km is off, you forgot the +10% range of the ship, before ammo its 13.5km optimal. with null that is 20.25km optimal and 12.5km falloff with 20km optimal you probably dont need a mwd though which is nice oh and the hyp is still much better, and also the megathron, although it might be a nice suprise expecting it to snipe yet it hits close
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:54:00 - [3] hehe, does this actually fit?
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:01:00 - [4] Raven does more dmg at the same range, tanks better too
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Kunming Raven does more dmg at the same range, tanks better too meh, u don't read forums this days? It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/10/2006 12:57:15 hehe, does this actually fit? nvm, just ran some calculations and this thing does LESS DPS than an electron II hyperion. and it cant scram/web... unimpressed 1. It's a gang setup. No need for web/tackle as you should have support. 2. It has a full tank and 3 damage mods and a damage control. Please show me the Megathron or the Hyperion do that 3. Range. With Null it'll be able to sit on a gate and will be in range to do full dps to anything that jumps through without having to move. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Old Geeza Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/10/2006 12:57:15 hehe, does this actually fit? nvm, just ran some calculations and this thing does LESS DPS than an electron II hyperion. and it cant scram/web... unimpressed 1. It's a gang setup. No need for web/tackle as you should have support. 2. It has a full tank and 3 damage mods and a damage control. Please show me the Megathron or the Hyperion do that 3. Range. With Null it'll be able to sit on a gate and will be in range to do full dps to anything that jumps through without having to move. ^^ The thread was more to laugh at the current problems Gallente are having trying to fit a hyperion and to show the Tuxford that there is a reason why Caldari railships don't get a full rack of turrets.
lofty29 Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Old Geeza 3. Range. With Null it'll be able to sit on a gate and will be in range to do full dps to anything that jumps through without having to move. As can a megathron It's useless with blasters tbh. Over 20km you cant scram (sensibly ) and definately cant web. --- Praxiteles Inc. is Recruiting!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Old Geeza Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/10/2006 12:57:15 hehe, does this actually fit? nvm, just ran some calculations and this thing does LESS DPS than an electron II hyperion. and it cant scram/web... unimpressed 1. It's a gang setup. No need for web/tackle as you should have support. 2. It has a full tank and 3 damage mods and a damage control. Please show me the Megathron or the Hyperion do that 3. Range. With Null it'll be able to sit on a gate and will be in range to do full dps to anything that jumps through without having to move. Well I can fit a Hype with a shield tank and fitting mods, call it a 'gang ship' and totally own your little Rokh with about 50% more DPS.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Old Geeza Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/10/2006 12:57:15 hehe, does this actually fit? nvm, just ran some calculations and this thing does LESS DPS than an electron II hyperion. and it cant scram/web... unimpressed 1. It's a gang setup. No need for web/tackle as you should have support. 2. It has a full tank and 3 damage mods and a damage control. Please show me the Megathron or the Hyperion do that 3. Range. With Null it'll be able to sit on a gate and will be in range to do full dps to anything that jumps through without having to move. Well I can fit a Hype with a shield tank and fitting mods, call it a 'gang ship' and totally own your little Rokh with about 50% more DPS. Good. Except, with 5 mids, you're either going to cap out (no injector), have a rubbish tank (3 slot tank \o/) or have no speed mod. Also, you'll be losing your tanking bonus. As for owning the Rokh with 50% more dps, the last time I checked having identical turrets as another ship but with a 25% damage bonus gives you about 25% more DPS. I suggest you try the for beginners section of the forums if you want to "win" with made-up facts like that. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Magunus The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Twilight Moon Isn't the tracking on that going to be pure crap? Lock time isn't going to be all that great either. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:25:00 - [12] Isn't the tracking on that going to be pure crap? ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
Razin	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Twilight Moon Isn't the tracking on that going to be pure crap? Same as on Hype, though Rohk's optimal bonus would allow to engage at longer range making it better. ...
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Twilight Moon on 26/10/2006 13:33:32 Originally by: Magunus Originally by: Twilight Moon Isn't the tracking on that going to be pure crap? Lock time isn't going to be all that great either. Hmm, can one Heavy Cap Booster even sustain 8 x Neutrons, and those shield mid lots? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use a Blaster Rokh (because that ship model is like something out of Babylon 5) but it just didn't seem like such a wise idea to me. ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
Magunus The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Twilight Moon Edited by: Twilight Moon on 26/10/2006 13:33:32 Originally by: Magunus Originally by: Twilight Moon Isn't the tracking on that going to be pure crap? Lock time isn't going to be all that great either. Hmm, can one Heavy Cap Booster even sustain 8 x Neutrons, and those shield mid lots? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use a Blaster Rokh (because that ship model is like something out of Babylon 5) but it just didn't seem like such a wise idea to me. Correct, it should be able to sustain it for about 80 seconds. If you don't use the shield booster at all, it should run forever, but that wouldn't happen. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Old Geeza Good. Except, with 5 mids, you're either going to cap out (no injector), have a rubbish tank (3 slot tank \o/) or have no speed mod. Also, you'll be losing your tanking bonus. As for owning the Rokh with 50% more dps, the last time I checked having identical turrets as another ship but with a 25% damage bonus gives you about 25% more DPS. I suggest you try the for beginners section of the forums if you want to "win" with made-up facts like that. Well with Null and in a gang with webber you don't need a speed mod. Also its vastly more agile than the Rohk anyway. Bascially, you can adapt any ship to be 'good in a gang' with bizarre setups, but the point here is that the Rohk is a crappy blasterboat and nothing you say or do is going to change that fact. You're totally right about the DPS thing though, dunno why i put 50%, not concentrating. But still, 25% is a lot more damage. You wont need an uber shield tank when you are ripping through the opponents that much quicker. Also, you can fit two LAR II, EANM II, two RCU II and as you are in a gang you can use the mids for painting/damping. So whatever the circumstances or setup, the hyperion is a vastly superior blasterboat than the rohk. Fact.
Nicose Caldari Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:04:00 - [17] lol this reminds me of the "blaster eagle's are crappy threads" ppl just have no imagination. sheild tanking blaster boats 4TW!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Nicose lol this reminds me of the "blaster eagle's are crappy threads" ppl just have no imagination. sheild tanking blaster boats 4TW! Its not crap, just nowhere near as good as the Hype
Galen Silas Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:34:00 - [19] Sorry, i just dont see this becoming the king of blasters. Range bonus is nice but you stick blasters on something like an astarte ormega, theres the king of blasters, you will have the range bonus but not the damage output your gonna want.
Galen Silas Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:35:00 - [20] plus, if you use a tracking distruptor II on large blasters, or any large gun for that matter and you keep moving its hard to hit anything BC or smaller
Bazman Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:48:00 - [21] Whether it is as good as a Hype or Astarte is neither here nor there, a Blaster Rohk is quite simply one of the most dangerous concepts I've seen for a Blasterboat. Shield Tanked, Cap Injected with Neutrons spitting out gank level firepower (Even without a damage bonus) It's a nice surprise setup, and I think you will see this beating a few of the less wary hyperion and Mega pilots. It will even challenge a skilled Thron pilot. Don't dismiss it just because its not designated a blasterboat. Just look at Blaster Eagles vs Deimos' if you want a similar example. ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training.
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:54:00 - [22] Btw, I copyright the name Blokh :P
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Twilight Moon Isn't the tracking on that going to be pure crap? Compare with maxed skills: Rokh with Neutron Blaster II and Null Optimal: 16.875 km Falloff: 15.625 km Tracking: .0270625 rad/s Armageddon with Mega Pulse II and Conflag Optimal: 15 km Falloff: 10 km Tracking: .016875 rad/s LOL, still 60% better tracking and better range than Gankageddon
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Toaster Oven Originally by: Twilight Moon Isn't the tracking on that going to be pure crap? Compare with maxed skills: Rokh with Neutron Blaster II and Null Optimal: 16.875 km Falloff: 15.625 km Tracking: .0270625 rad/s Armageddon with Mega Pulse II and Conflag Optimal: 15 km Falloff: 10 km Tracking: .016875 rad/s LOL, still 60% better tracking and better range than Gankageddon Why are you comparing Null to Conflag?
Bazman Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Toaster Oven Originally by: Twilight Moon Isn't the tracking on that going to be pure crap? Compare with maxed skills: Rokh with Neutron Blaster II and Null Optimal: 16.875 km Falloff: 15.625 km Tracking: .0270625 rad/s Armageddon with Mega Pulse II and Conflag Optimal: 15 km Falloff: 10 km Tracking: .016875 rad/s LOL, still 60% better tracking and better range than Gankageddon Compare it to Scorch crystals, or Gleam, nm, never bothered with amarr :P ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training.
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:01:00 - [26] Originally by: Butter Dog Why are you comparing Null to Conflag? Because if you're going to use either ship to sit on a gate and gank some passing fool, that's what ammo you'd pick.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Toaster Oven Originally by: Butter Dog Why are you comparing Null to Conflag? Because if you're going to use either ship to sit on a gate and gank some passing fool, that's what ammo you'd pick. I would have thought Scorch would be better.
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Bazman Compare it to Scorch crystals Scorch and Null may be in the same class of ammo, but you wouldn't use em in the same way here. It's a pointless comparison. Besides, with 82% of your dmg as EM, Scorch is just LOLtastic against armor tanks
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Twilight Moon Isn't the tracking on that going to be pure crap? I meant in comparison to the Megathron. ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Butter Dog I would have thought Scorch would be better. Then it's obvious you've never used Scorch. Any dual LAR omnitanked BS can fully absorb a Gankageddon's dmg when using Scorch crystals. It's stupidly EM biased which makes it useless except for paper comparisons.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Toaster Oven Originally by: Butter Dog I would have thought Scorch would be better. Then it's obvious you've never used Scorch. Any dual LAR omnitanked BS can fully absorb a Gankageddon's dmg when using Scorch crystals. It's stupidly EM biased which makes it useless except for paper comparisons. Yes, point taken. tbh, the EM bias needs looking at
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Old Geeza Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/10/2006 12:57:15 hehe, does this actually fit? nvm, just ran some calculations and this thing does LESS DPS than an electron II hyperion. and it cant scram/web... unimpressed 1. It's a gang setup. No need for web/tackle as you should have support. 2. It has a full tank and 3 damage mods and a damage control. Please show me the Megathron or the Hyperion do that 3. Range. With Null it'll be able to sit on a gate and will be in range to do full dps to anything that jumps through without having to move. If my Gallente char worked on SiSi, i would show you how my mega versus ur Blokh would end up :) --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
Kala Veijo Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:56:00 - [33] I would use rokh as 40km rail support platform in gangs tbh. Really dont understand why to get so close and personal if you allready have tacklers over target.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:05:00 - [34] I tried the MWD on a Rohk last night. With a full rack of local hull nanos, it got up to about 1800m/sec. Eventually. Very eventually. Base speed of 110. Agility seems ... well quite painful.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:28:00 - [35] Its a steampunk train engine, its supposed to be slow and ponderous ^_^ ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Toaster Oven Originally by: Bazman Compare it to Scorch crystals Scorch and Null may be in the same class of ammo, but you wouldn't use em in the same way here. It's a pointless comparison. Besides, with 82% of your dmg as EM, Scorch is just LOLtastic against armor tanks lol so it is aganst a rokh if you try tanking it you can get some very high across the board resists em not being the lowest and this is befor the rigs you can add for resist ect. as for the speed, its agility may suck but the inertia stabs have been fixed and should help that a lot try a friting witha mix of them and the nano's ------------------------------------ Dragon the patch to optimise EVE. Welcome to Tranquillity the optimised snail Please wait 4 minuets to jump war targets are 2 seconds away.
Anjor Minmatar VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:27:00 - [37] It's not really suppost to be a primary setup, but I could see it being used for fun. Especially with my Abaddon looking less and less useful over a geddon by each passing day. I'll probably try it out for gags myself. __________________________________________________ It's great being amar...wait im Minmatar that plays amarr..Great im really ****ed... [i]Yes im Minmatar, but I'm a freed slave that has Amarr
Ravelin Eb Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:19:00 - [38] I played around with a blaster rokh on test with almost exact same setup, frankly it wasnt that good, rokhs gonna be more of a railboat i think. Blasters will be staying on gallente ships tbh. Ravelin Eb
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:42:00 - [39] I aggree with Bazman, 8 neutrons will be scary... I'd even go for 2 dmg mods and 1 tracking mod instead of 3 dmg mods... I think you'd get better dps because of more solid hits... Pity the fool
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.27 01:06:00 - [40] Originally by: keepiru Its a steampunk train engine, its supposed to be slow and ponderous ^_^ ive allways called it a Soviet Missle Train(as it kinda reminds me of the armored trains the russians moved ICBMs on in the cold war).
Phenom Fighter Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:00:00 - [41] Edited by: Phenom Fighter on 27/10/2006 02:02:27 nahh rokh is railboat to give caldari a fleet ship tht does any sort of dmg. Be happy peepz, could be worse. Im just not looking forward to buying the 8 425 II's for this :( wallet painkillers please!! -----------------------------
Kaell Meynn Divergence	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:07:00 - [42] Sit it on a gate with a dictor, lachesis, and a huginn. Anything that jumps in is at optimal, cant warp and is webbed. Ditch the MWD, Rohk isnt made for movin. Toss on a Thermal shield hardener, make an uber tank. Then let a Hyperion jump in, and see how it goes.
FFGR Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:12:00 - [43] Originally by: Kaell Meynn Sit it on a gate with a dictor, lachesis, and a huginn. Anything that jumps in is at optimal, cant warp and is webbed. Ditch the MWD, Rohk isnt made for movin. Toss on a Thermal shield hardener, make an uber tank. Then let a Hyperion jump in, and see how it goes. And the Hyperion brings in a friend in a Rook and jams everybody I wonder if the calculations about Rokh range with Null take into consideration that atm at the test server Null has a 50% tracking penalty ... _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:17:00 - [44] Originally by: FFGR I wonder if the calculations about Rokh range with Null take into consideration that atm at the test server Null has a 50% tracking penalty ... Ofc. Those numbers are with Kali stats. That should be readily apparent since Neutron Blaster II has base tracking of .0433 rad/sec before skills or ammo mods.

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