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Raham	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:28:00 - [1] After playing on the test serve a bit last night, I began wondering if my cerberus was a colossal waste of money when the drake is now coming out. If you look at it, the drake has 7 heavy missile launchers, with the same bonus as the cerberus for rof. So you could get: 5 heavy missile launcher IIs with an approximately 5.5 rof on a cerberus. They then have a 25% bonus on damage, assuming you're using scourge heavies. 7 heavy missile launcher IIs on a drake, with the same rof, assuming the same skills. No damage bonus, but it still works out to be more damage for the drake per second. Next, the tank. The drake has the 5% boost per level, putting it almost even with the cerberus in resistances, plus it has another midslot to put hardeners on. My question is, is the difference in sig radius, speed, and range actually worth it when it comes to drake v. cerb in a missioning or ratting situation? not like I have the isk to buy cerbs for pvp anyways
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:32:00 - [2] will be for mission running probably because the drake will still get pwned by torps... for everything else fly the drake :D
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:35:00 - [3] The Cerb is still the king of caldari Curisers, the speed and Maneuverability makes it a Versatile ship and the tank and firepower makes is a powerful beast. But you are right, the Drake is going to be replacing many a cerberus, due to it's firepower, tank and low cost. I would still buy a Cerberus if I had the money, but I will forsurely own a few Drakes. Hopefully this will allow the market to correct it's self and TII ships can start coming down in price. ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!
EvilSyKOSkitzo Durus Scelus	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:41:00 - [4] Good, I'll still use my cerb but hopefully now the price will drop even lower (in combination with invention blah blah) so that I can loose it and not pay close to 300mill for another one. :) Bring the drake on, - Evil
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:44:00 - [5] Now do the same comparison with the Gal tier 2 BC and the Ishtar CEO - Art of War
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 23:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Kapitanleutnant Mei will be for mission running probably because the drake will still get pwned by torps... for everything else fly the drake :D Caldari BCs laugh off NPC torpedos(my Ferox has tanked 5 BS in lvl 4 Guristas Ganza). as long as drake keeps its resist bonus it can tank many level 4s.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.26 23:16:00 - [7] BCs are supposed to be better than cruisers? HACs still have their role. Hopefully this will drive cerb prices down.
BABARR	Posted - 2006.10.27 00:51:00 - [8] "Now do the same comparison with the Gal tier 2 BC and the Ishtar " Easy : ishtar you have 3x5 heavy drone, Myr got only 1x5 heavy drone = ****, a good target got the time to pop enought drone to have a very bad DPS (Dont forget fight are going to be longer).
Scordite	Posted - 2006.10.27 00:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Raham 5 heavy missile launcher IIs with an approximately 5.5 rof on a cerberus. They then have a 25% bonus on damage, assuming you're using scourge heavies. 7 heavy missile launcher IIs on a drake, with the same rof, assuming the same skills. No damage bonus, but it still works out to be more damage for the drake per second. Drake can swap damage types at will without losing 25% damage output as well. ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.27 01:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio BCs are supposed to be better than cruisers? HACs still have their role. Hopefully this will drive cerb prices down. I think this is the ultimate goal w/ all teh BC's. They will be a close cousin to HAC's to be sure, but nothing can replace the HAC
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.10.27 01:11:00 - [11] Originally by: BABARR "Now do the same comparison with the Gal tier 2 BC and the Ishtar " Easy : ishtar you have 3x5 heavy drone, Myr got only 1x5 heavy drone = ****, a good target got the time to pop enought drone to have a very bad DPS (Dont forget fight are going to be longer). Worse than that, Mys got 4 x heavy drones CEO - Art of War
Avulsion Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:38:00 - [12] Stop making threads about how awesome the Drake is, do you want to get nerfed? :x Too Damn Big [orange] _________________________________________________________ \|
Raham	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:39:00 - [13] Im in no way saying that the drake should be nerfed, Im just saying that the cerb needs some improvement to stick with the drake, which it should be better than hands down.
Sinnbad Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:44:00 - [14] Simply, the Cerebus has been replaced by the Drake Prediction: Cerebus: 150M Drake: 350M I witnessed a Drake *****a Hyperion on Sisi today My uncle Oveur has already promised me the BPO. Taking orders in Jita (joke)
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Raham Im in no way saying that the drake should be nerfed, Im just saying that the cerb needs some improvement to stick with the drake, which it should be better than hands down. Cerberus is still a Cruiser. the Drake is a Battlecruiser its firepower should surpass that of a cruiser. the cerb still has its place in more agile fleets where a flying brick BC doesnt fit in.
Sinnbad Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Originally by: Raham Im in no way saying that the drake should be nerfed, Im just saying that the cerb needs some improvement to stick with the drake, which it should be better than hands down. Cerberus is still a Cruiser. the Drake is a Battlecruiser its firepower should surpass that of a cruiser. the cerb still has its place in more agile fleets where a flying brick BC doesnt fit in. At 275M before fittings, how many people fly them in fleets? Seriously? Who wouldnt rather be in a battlecruiser that is cheaper and doesnt need 60-90days of training?
Fuujin HDY Research Labs	Posted - 2006.10.27 03:06:00 - [17] Theres a significant price difference between the ships... _______________ Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes or less, and related to Eve. -Kaemonn
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.27 03:51:00 - [18] BC will be 20% more agile after the patch. drake roamed like a cruiser. DRAKE i think here i placed 1passive em t2 and 2 invul field t2. i may have put a shield expander on large t2. drake is better than cerb, unless at long range. i would fly cerb unless going solo. nighthawk could do a better job than the dreake though Quote: "Don't touch the RED b
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.27 04:16:00 - [19] Hmm, Well either the drake gets owned by a little nerf down before Kali hits TQ or they could simply add a Overall 5% damage to all missiles type instead of only to kinetic to every other caldari ships in the game. Yawn, right.......... WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
trimdonite	Posted - 2006.10.27 05:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Originally by: Raham Im in no way saying that the drake should be nerfed, Im just saying that the cerb needs some improvement to stick with the drake, which it should be better than hands down. Cerberus is still a Cruiser. the Drake is a Battlecruiser its firepower should surpass that of a cruiser. the cerb still has its place in more agile fleets where a flying brick BC doesnt fit in. hit the nail on the head there. i foresee a lot of cerb owners whining but they seem to foget its just a toughened cruiser. batllecruiser is the next step up, same as cruiser is next step up to frig. if cerbs are to start pwning bc`s, then i demand a boost to my enyo so i can pwn all cruisers
Philip Sterling GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.27 05:26:00 - [21] Don't forget about the heavy assault missiles comming out with kali. The dual range bonuses on the cerberus will allow it to use them at pretty good ranges, while the drake will only be able to lob them 15k before skills. It will be like a crow that can spam rockets from 30k, only bigger, longer, and.. I dare say with a bigger splash.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.27 05:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Philip Sterling Don't forget about the heavy assault missiles comming out with kali. The dual range bonuses on the cerberus will allow it to use them at pretty good ranges, while the drake will only be able to lob them 15k before skills. It will be like a crow that can spam rockets from 30k, only bigger, longer, and.. I dare say with a bigger splash. you may dare philip, you may dare. drake has a gimped up set up for assault. so its more of a Cerberus weapon, velocity and flight time ftw. Quote: "Don't touch the RED b
Susa Ou	Posted - 2006.10.27 05:55:00 - [23] Agreed, I am still skeptical about using heavy assults on the Drake unless it is for close battleship support. I doubt the Cereb will be able to fit them anyway - but we will see a lot of changes before this patch is implemented. The drake will do better with heavies then with HAMs imo. . .the range is simply life.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.10.27 06:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Simply, the Cerebus has been replaced by the Drake Prediction: Cerebus: 150M Drake: 350M I witnessed a Drake *****a Hyperion on Sisi today My uncle Oveur has already promised me the BPO. Taking orders in Jita (joke) weird price prediction since it'll be a public bpo and you can build a drake for about 35mil
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.27 06:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Susa Ou Agreed, I am still skeptical about using heavy assults on the Drake unless it is for close battleship support. I doubt the Cereb will be able to fit them anyway - but we will see a lot of changes before this patch is implemented. The drake will do better with heavies then with HAMs imo. . .the range is simply life. \HAMs did fine in a cerb, i got set up ready for TQ, YArrr. Quote: "Don't touch the RED b
Nocturnal Prince Tech 2 Holdings Limited	Posted - 2006.10.27 06:30:00 - [26] If a Heavy Assault Cruiser cant use Heavy assault missiles I would say there was something very wrong. Boost Amarr or nerf the rest, give us this 'balance' that you keep talking about.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:06:00 - [27] You can do this exact same comparison with every good BC and their respective HAC... look @ deimos vs. brutix. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:31:00 - [28] Edited by: Shardrael on 27/10/2006 07:31:51 hurricane makes me drool 7 tech 2 ac with speed tackling and tank ftw plus ill second or third or whatever number the comment is that battlecruisers should have more firepower then a hac technically a battlecruiser imo seems very close to the destroyer class only cruiser size, ignorning all problems the destroyer classes have atm, a properly fitted battlecruiser should be able to run against any form of cruiser, resists on the hac still make it tough but it should not be outclassed by a shiptype it seems to be designed to kill. anywho thats my .02
Theron Gyrow Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:19:00 - [29] Originally by: keepiru You can do this exact same comparison with every good BC and their respective HAC... look @ deimos vs. brutix. If the new BCs aren't changed, Brutix is no longer a good BC - it will be OMGWTFBBQ'd by all the tier 2 BCs. Well, possibly not by Myrmidon. -- NMTZ forum
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Nebuli Now do the same comparison with the Gal tier 2 BC and the Ishtar That was my tought exactly. Just didn't want to post it... tux would probably nerf isthar:P

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