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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente
Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.27 07:48:00 -
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I think it's time this boat also got inline with the other battleships. At the moment this battleship is the only one getting bonus to both frig, cruiser and battleship sized weapon via its drones.
Make the Dominix only have bonus to heavy drones, like all the other battleships only have bonus to their weapon sizes respectively. It would really be about time though we stopped this gallente win-button crusade
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.10.27 07:51:00 -
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if they did change this, 45% of the EvE-Subscribers would whine their a$$ off and then quit. Left would be the 45% flying their ravens an the 10% that uses the other ships.. ;]
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Killed my sig AGAIN! :p
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Gabriel Karade
Office linebackers
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.10.27 07:51:00 -
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Sure, so long as it gets more grid (it can't fit the smallest class of Large blasters without an RCU II) to compensate.
Actually no, it's fine as is, the 'win' button (ECM/Nos Dominix) got its justly deserved 'kick in ze balls' 
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Inanara
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Posted - 2006.10.27 07:55:00 -
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Your crusade style is weak.
It won't matter if they make the bonus only apply to large drones. Put enough Omni tracking links (2) on your mids and Wham bam thank you maam you don't need small or med drones anymore, the larges eat up frigates like its going out of style often on the first volley
They already nerfed Drone Usage to the great beyond to reduce server side lag.. and took away the ability of the Domi to fly 10 drones at once.. what more do you need?  
Nerf cry originality 1.
Logic usage -2.
Amusement at your expense 5
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente
Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.27 07:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Sandra Tseng
if they did change this, 45% of the EvE-Subscribers would whine their a$$ off and then quit. Left would be the 45% flying their ravens an the 10% that uses the other ships.. ;]
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Heh, with the coming raven nerf I think those 45% ravens will become 20% drakes and 25% rokhs
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Ephemeron
Crimson Crusaders
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.27 07:56:00 -
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Dominix is very powerful when used correctly. It's only tier 1 ship, but it may aswell be tier 3 because it's so good.
I think if dominix lost 1 high slot, 1 med slot, 1 low slot, it would still be very powerful, but more in line with other tier 1 battleships. Of course no one would ever agree to take away slots.
Nerfing the drone damage bonus so it only applies to Heavy drones would only help a little, frigs would still die pretty fast to 5 light drones.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.10.27 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 27/10/2006 07:57:50
Right after you make the dominix's drones invulnerable like every other battleship's primary weapons. Cause you want to be fair, right?
The ECM nerf will do enough damage to the dominix. Leave it alone.
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente
Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.27 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Inanara
Your crusade style is weak.
It won't matter if they make the bonus only apply to large drones. Put enough Omni tracking links (2) on your mids and Wham bam thank you maam you don't need small or med drones anymore, the larges eat up frigates like its going out of style often on the first volley
They already nerfed Drone Usage to the great beyond to reduce server side lag.. and took away the ability of the Domi to fly 10 drones at once.. what more do you need?
Nerf cry originality 1.
Logic usage -2.
Amusement at your expense 5
No, your smack is weak
But I can understand that you think that the dominix would still be overpowered against frigs, so it should be nerfed in another way, what do you suggest to get it inline then.
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente
Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.27 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 27/10/2006 07:57:50
Right after you make the dominix's drones invulnerable like every other battleship's primary weapons. Cause you want to be fair, right?
The ECM nerf will do enough damage to the dominix. Leave it alone.
Well actually missiles can be killed by smartbombs and defenders, and just scoop the drones that are getting damage, and that way your drones will be good as new
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.27 08:05:00 -
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Lets just wait and see how the changes affects the Dominix. It will no longer be a total pwnmobile.
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Inanara
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Posted - 2006.10.27 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus
Originally by: Inanara
Your crusade style is weak.
It won't matter if they make the bonus only apply to large drones. Put enough Omni tracking links (2) on your mids and Wham bam thank you maam you don't need small or med drones anymore, the larges eat up frigates like its going out of style often on the first volley
They already nerfed Drone Usage to the great beyond to reduce server side lag.. and took away the ability of the Domi to fly 10 drones at once.. what more do you need?
Nerf cry originality 1.
Logic usage -2.
Amusement at your expense 5
No, your smack is weak
But I can understand that you think that the dominix would still be overpowered against frigs, so it should be nerfed in another way, what do you suggest to get it inline then.
Yar! My smack was fine. Its a drone boat. Those that understand it and fit it properly will still eat things up like nobodies business..
In PvP now with the ECM changes now the ECM/NOS dominix fliers will need to adapt to people that can Almost fight back..
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 08:28:00 -
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I wonder how iwin will it be after ecm gets more in line...
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus
Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 27/10/2006 07:57:50
Right after you make the dominix's drones invulnerable like every other battleship's primary weapons. Cause you want to be fair, right?
The ECM nerf will do enough damage to the dominix. Leave it alone.
Well actually missiles can be killed by smartbombs and defenders, and just scoop the drones that are getting damage, and that way your drones will be good as new
If it's really that simple and easy, then you shouldn't mind just making them invulnerable.
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Talen Kross
Dragon's Rage
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Posted - 2006.10.27 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus
Heh, with the coming raven nerf I think those 45% ravens will become 20% drakes and 25% rokhs
Raven nerf! What raven nerf?
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.27 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Talen Kross
Originally by: Lucian Corvinus
Heh, with the coming raven nerf I think those 45% ravens will become 20% drakes and 25% rokhs
Raven nerf! What raven nerf?
They're making it an armour tanker.
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:55:00 -
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The best drones to kill small ships with ARE heavy drones.
Orges will often close to one-volley small ships on the approach.
Any small ship orbiting a domi is dead - if they are not using AB/MWD to orbit, you don't even have to web them. Just watch the ogres follow and pop them.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.10.27 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Talen Kross
Raven nerf! What raven nerf?
T2 torpedo are useless now. So less PvP ability for Raven.
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Sir Drake
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Posted - 2006.10.27 12:43:00 -
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Domi is atm a bit overpowered.
Im using it myself for PvP and once i start nosing/jamming/scrambling i just have to wait for my drones ripping the target to pieces (which doesnt take long).
The ECM nerf will be more than enough to level the playfield once more, so you can assume the "domi-fix" is allready in place and just waiting to happen.
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Angus Torg
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Posted - 2006.10.27 13:03:00 -
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I wonder if it was a starting if we would increase the signature resolution of drones. Usually "Large" weapons have a signature resolution of 400m, and not 125m - what is the signature resolution of medium sized weapons.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.27 13:43:00 -
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This is another "all weapons should act the same" thread, isn't it? Drones get the advantage of not having fitting costs, and being able to fit drones for all occasions. They get teh disadvantage of being destroyable (something that will hurt after the HP boost, look at Myrmidon threads; anyhow, when you're flying hammerhead IIs at 2million a go, you'll be feeling the pain too), not reloadable in space like the other guns (aside from the domi, no other drone ship really has room for many spares), are slow (turrets hit instantly, with drones you have to wait for them to get there) etc. This SHOULD be amply balanced (and if its not, tweak some of these factors until they are). 'Tis meant to be the pay off we drone users have to make.
Domis have been overpowered recently because of ECM- with the coming ECM nerf (andd I hear rumours of a much deserving Nos nerf, too) Domis should be back on par with other ships. No need for *yet more* nerfs.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.10.27 13:57:00 -
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What makes small drones frigate sized weapons, medium drones cruiser sized weapons and large drones battleship sized weapons exactly?
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Fogy
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.27 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Inanara
Your crusade style is weak.
It won't matter if they make the bonus only apply to large drones. Put enough Omni tracking links (2) on your mids and Wham bam thank you maam you don't need small or med drones anymore, the larges eat up frigates like its going out of style often on the first volley
They already nerfed Drone Usage to the great beyond to reduce server side lag.. and took away the ability of the Domi to fly 10 drones at once.. what more do you need?
Nerf cry originality 1.
Logic usage -2.
Amusement at your expense 5
WRONG. the domi could use 15 drones.. (drone interfasing 5, galente bs 5, = 5 drones from interfasing + 5 drones from galente bs 5 + 5 drones from drones 5)
BUT they were weak to smartbombs.. as they had crappy HP compared to the HP of drones after domi, drone int and drone dura skills now..
you cant blow them up as fast.. on the other hand.. you can shoot them down cinda faster.. as you dont have 15 drones to go through..
+ now you can put out 3 waves of 5 heavt drones.. you couldnt do that befor eighter..
so the drone "nerf" actually boosted the drones in the end.
try again...
Cheers!
Fogy
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Amarr knight
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.27 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Fogy
Originally by: Inanara
Your crusade style is weak.
It won't matter if they make the bonus only apply to large drones. Put enough Omni tracking links (2) on your mids and Wham bam thank you maam you don't need small or med drones anymore, the larges eat up frigates like its going out of style often on the first volley
They already nerfed Drone Usage to the great beyond to reduce server side lag.. and took away the ability of the Domi to fly 10 drones at once.. what more do you need?
Nerf cry originality 1.
Logic usage -2.
Amusement at your expense 5
WRONG. the domi could use 15 drones.. (drone interfasing 5, galente bs 5, = 5 drones from interfasing + 5 drones from galente bs 5 + 5 drones from drones 5)
BUT they were weak to smartbombs.. as they had crappy HP compared to the HP of drones after domi, drone int and drone dura skills now..
you cant blow them up as fast.. on the other hand.. you can shoot them down cinda faster.. as you dont have 15 drones to go through..
+ now you can put out 3 waves of 5 heavt drones.. you couldnt do that befor eighter..
so the drone "nerf" actually boosted the drones in the end.
try again...
Cheers!
Fogy
Quoting Fogy cause he mentioned most of my point.
Drone nerf? Domi drones does exactly the same dps as it used to do before the drone "nerf". Then they "nerfed" drones more by adding t2 and sentry drones, boosting their hp, giving domi the ability to carry back up drones, adding drone mods and skill to boost tracking, hp and damage.
Oh the poor state of drones brings tears to my eyes.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.10.27 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 27/10/2006 14:22:58
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Sure, so long as it gets more grid (it can't fit the smallest class of Large blasters without an RCU II) to compensate.
Its a drone boat, not a blaster boat.
Dont blame the game just because you are ignorant.
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Father Weebles
Panzershrek
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/10/2006 14:22:58
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Sure, so long as it gets more grid (it can't fit the smallest class of Large blasters without an RCU II) to compensate.
Its a drone boat, not a blaster boat.
Dont blame the game just because you are ignorant.
Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage
and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill
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Shadow Militia
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Father Weebles
Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/10/2006 14:22:58
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Sure, so long as it gets more grid (it can't fit the smallest class of Large blasters without an RCU II) to compensate.
Its a drone boat, not a blaster boat.
Dont blame the game just because you are ignorant.
Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage
and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill
level.
Most gal t1 ships have a similar bonus to the hybrid of there size ie crusier medium, frig small etc
I think its the 10% one thats more important...
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/10/2006 14:22:58
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Sure, so long as it gets more grid (it can't fit the smallest class of Large blasters without an RCU II) to compensate.
Its a drone boat, not a blaster boat.
Dont blame the game just because you are ignorant.
wts clue to brainless ravens 
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Riddick06
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
I wonder how iwin will it be after ecm gets more in line...
Originally by: LUKEC
I wonder how iwin will it be after ecm gets more in line...
ECM will still be chance based, i think multispecs have 30% chance of a successful jam atm(read it sumwhere) it only needs to get 3 jam cycles off and thats 60 seconds, most fights iv been in sometimes dont even last that long. So even if its 15% as long as a ship has enough midslots to increase the chance your still back to stage one again.
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Gabriel Karade
Office linebackers
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Posted - 2006.10.29 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/10/2006 14:22:58
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Sure, so long as it gets more grid (it can't fit the smallest class of Large blasters without an RCU II) to compensate.
Its a drone boat, not a blaster boat.
Dont blame the game just because you are ignorant.
600 dps from Electron Blaster II's, 475 dps from Ogre II's.
Tell me, who is ignorant?
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.29 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/10/2006 14:22:58
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Sure, so long as it gets more grid (it can't fit the smallest class of Large blasters without an RCU II) to compensate.
Its a drone boat, not a blaster boat.
Dont blame the game just because you are ignorant.
600 dps from Electron Blaster II's, 475 dps from Ogre II's.
Tell me, who is ignorant?
After they changed blaster cpu, it's not so hot anymore. Plus i doubt there are many pilots in eve that do 475dps with ogres :P
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