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Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:26:00 -
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All of you dominix nerf fans you still fail to adress my argument:
the domiinx is good only at close range , while 2 others tier1 bs can both do great at med to long range too ( armougeddon and scorpion).Also dornes take a lot of time to reach.
So dominix is very good at its sepcialized role while having nearly no otehr role.Imho its balanced .
PS Laboratus 1-1 is a very exsciting pvp in Eve,tough specific, and i fail to see why you compare it with npcs.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:27:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 30/10/2006 12:59:57
ôYou just lost what credibility you had left with that statement. Go back to running missions, you have no idea about PVP.ö
Look at a Vulture or Eos they are both far tougher to beat solo then any Domi and other ships are as well. 1v1 no ship can even kill a passive tanked Vulture or Eos so what I said it true. If you think the Domi is the best solo ship you dont know ships very well.
I know enough about PvP to do well in tournaments.
I never said the Domi is easy to beat 1v1, I said its easy compared to other ships 1v1 so its not overpowered.
What ships? I'd question the Domi's setup/pilot if he gets beat easy compared to other ships.
I think people just got to used to the I-WIN setup and lost all creativity/thinking power cos its now more in line with other TIER 1 ships, so lets just go whine on forums that we might now lose...
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Originally by: "Lord Violent"
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:32:00 -
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9 times out of 10 a 1vs 1 pvp situation changes to a N vs 1.
Either by some friends showing up, or some enemies showing up.
In the little bit over a year I've played, I have never encountered a true 1vs1.
Well, if I don't count dueling with corp mates or tournaments.
But never in a "real" situation. It just doesn't happen.
Ok, maybe hauler VS interceptor. Those are a bit more common. Or Hauler VS gank squad, where 1 HAC stays to shoot the hauler while the rest of the squad moves on, but those really don't compare to any kind of "fair" 1 vs 1s.
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Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:38:00 -
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weird
In my 3 years i had plenty of 1-1 fights, often with bs.
And inites 1-1 are daily.
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A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Laboratus on 30/10/2006 13:42:57
Where do you fly?
I wanna go there:D
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Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Earthan on 30/10/2006 13:55:41
Edited by: Earthan on 30/10/2006 13:54:46
Well i will be honest I was speaking abit of past exp as i dont fly so much alone these days.
Last bs 1-1 i had was in OR 4c-b7x some time ago ( half a year i think?)
In times i used to go on pvp alone alot i usually fought around pf-346 fd-mlj.Sure it was some time ago.
I admit time have changed and 1-1 has become even rarer but it does happen .I was abit taken aback by your near flaming remeark concerning 1-1 pvp.When we were in allaince i heard often storeis by other poeple 1-1, so it still ahppens, prolly you are better looking for those out of alliance poplated places.
But enough of this thread hijacking yes?:)
Edit remmberd another cruiser 1-1 in 4c not so long ago this time
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A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:06:00 -
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ôWhat ships? I'd question the Domi's setup/pilot if he gets beat easy compared to other ships.ö
Well I fly a Eos and I know 1 Domi couldnÆt even dint me so it would either end up a draw or I win 1v1.
ôI don't really feel you can compare a command ship with a T1 battleship.ö
Why not? The cost isnÆt that much difference its only 40 to 50mill more for my command ship over a Domi. So why are people not complaining about Command ships its even a drone Command ship I fly.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.10.30 18:26:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Pottsey
ôWhat ships? I'd question the Domi's setup/pilot if he gets beat easy compared to other ships.ö
Well I fly a Eos and I know 1 Domi couldnÆt even dint me so it would either end up a draw or I win 1v1.
ôI don't really feel you can compare a command ship with a T1 battleship.ö
Why not? The cost isnÆt that much difference its only 40 to 50mill more for my command ship over a Domi. So why are people not complaining about Command ships its even a drone Command ship I fly.
Eos has Kin 83.75% and Therm 67.5% resists, so blasters will have a very reduced damage, being a smaller ship it will probably make turrets miss a bit to.
So no doubt you have a t2/faction hardener to fill the explosive hole anything will struggle to "dent" you on there own... For domi to get same level of resistances it would take 3x active hardeners + EANM t2 + damage control where Eos could get nice resistances from just a EXP hardener and damage control.
Thats one situation and doesn't reflect the overall ship balance. Its like complaining that a Muninn can tank my Apoc's lasers, its just one situation.
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Originally by: "Lord Violent"
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.30 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus
I think it's time this boat also got inline with the other battleships. At the moment this battleship is the only one getting bonus to both frig, cruiser and battleship sized weapon via its drones.
Make the Dominix only have bonus to heavy drones, like all the other battleships only have bonus to their weapon sizes respectively. It would really be about time though we stopped this gallente win-button crusade
Domi with only drones also has less total firepower than other battleships. And try fitting decent guns on a domi while still maintaining the tank. Also, to make a domi a solopwnmobile as you describe also takes more skillpoints invested than for any other battleship.
And its not the Domi itself thats been the problem. Its the combination of drone ship + tank + ecm. The domi and Ishtar are just the most visible examples of this. Well, the ECM part is getting nerfed in Kali, so drone ships will lose some of their effectiveness 1 on 1.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.30 19:17:00 -
[100]
öEos has Kin 83.75% and Therm 67.5% resists, so blasters will have a very reduced damage, being a smaller ship it will probably make turrets miss a bit to.ö
ôThats one situation and doesn't reflect the overall ship balance. Its like complaining that a Muninn can tank my Apoc's lasers, its just one situation.ö
Actually I shield tank my Eos so itÆs more like 91% Kinetic, 77% Thermal, even more when in a gang due to gang assist & mindlink. Command ships can pretty much tank any BS 1v1 all with 1 setup. Not just my command ship but most if not all Field command ships are able to. They are deadly ships.
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Dracu1a
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.30 20:08:00 -
[101]
Leave it alone plz. Its already getting hit hard enough from the ECM nerf. It will be fine after kali.
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OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar
Suffoco Noctis
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.10.30 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Originally by: Pottsey
Yet compared to other ships its extremely easy to beat solo.
You just lost what credibility you had left with that statement. Go back to running missions, you have no idea about PVP.
No he's right, he's just talking about when the Domi is solo and he has his gang.
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LWMaverick
Quam Singulari
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.30 21:32:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Old Geeza
Originally by: Pottsey
Yet compared to other ships its extremely easy to beat solo.
You just lost what credibility you had left with that statement. Go back to running missions, you have no idea about PVP.
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
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Posted - 2006.10.30 21:58:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Old Geeza
Originally by: Pottsey
Yet compared to other ships its extremely easy to beat solo.
You just lost what credibility you had left with that statement. Go back to running missions, you have no idea about PVP.
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Megadon
Caldari
Templars of Light
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:23:00 -
[105]
Meh,
Another one of 'those' threads. How about getting your skills up to par and trying to wrap your brain around how to defeat drone ships and just leave things alone?
Why can't people adapt to things in the game instead of whining about how the game mechanics need to adapt to their inadequacies?
Seems like everyone wants different types of weapon systems to have more of the same characteristics. NO thank you. It adds variety and challenge.
The domi is not the only ship that make extensive use of drones either. Every race uses drones. Leave them be. Get some skillz.
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2006.10.30 23:14:00 -
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The dominix is completely fine as it is.
Me and my friends were going around hunting for prey one night.
we had a bad feeling about a dominix sitting in a belt for 5 mins but.. hey I was in a zealot, they were in bc's and ect. there was four of us.
we warped in. a command ship and a assult frig wapred in.
Im the only survivor becuase they basically ignored me.
the dom tanked my rediclous dps like it was nothing, even with my gang mates. and we ended up losing everything but me, only beucase they wern't even jamming or shooting at me. just tanking me till everyone else died.
The dominix is FINE.
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Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.11.01 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ebedar
Originally by: Ansuru Starlancer
Originally by: Ebedar
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Incidentally, calling for the Domi's bonus to apply to heavy drones only is going to come back and bite many people in the arse if the bonus is then changed to apply to any heavy drone.
Um...explain what you mean? Doesn't it already apply to any heavy drone? In addition to the lighter classes? I don't understand how it could come back to bite people...
I meant if it was changed from a damage bonus (as it stands) to a bonus for all heavy drones, e.g. it would increase the repair/shield transfer amounts of the heavy repair drones, increase the web amount on Berserker SW-900s etc. Essentially, if the bonus was adapted so it was viable for logistics, EW and utility drones as well.
Oh! I see now. EW Drones and blasters, anyone? *twisted grin*
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Sir Bart
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Posted - 2006.11.01 05:40:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Sir Bart on 01/11/2006 05:41:38
Originally by: Pottsey
A lot of people on this forum need to learn balance does not mean everything has to act the same.
I agree 100%.
P.S: have I killed you recently? That name sure sounds familiar.
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Godar Marak
Amarr
Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.01 09:45:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Sandra Tseng
if they did change this, 45% of the EvE-Subscribers would whine their a$$ off and then quit.
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You make that sound like a bad thing.
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Yeihon
Eye of the Abyss
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:48:00 -
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This is simply an awesome thread. Why exactly do people want to destroy the capabilities of this ship? Seems like alot of newbies dont like advanced pilots wrecking their ships, and the Dominix obviously does its role in a way that is disliked.
I fly the Dominix all the time, and I have about 8 million in Drone skills. I will also admit, I have lost quite a few Dominix. Not in one vs one engagements mind you, because that is simply not something that ever happens to me. No, I usually lose a Dominix to 5 Pilgrims or a gate camp of a Prophecy, Armageddon and a Tempest that is far outside range. Did I lose these fights on purpose because from what I'm gathering from this thread, people are so threatened by a Dominix it makes them quiver in their little boots. I never see this ship engage me or do I see it in camps.
I guarantee this ship will not be nerfed in any way aside from fitting penalties that are affixed to modules that are the "supposed" favorites of legendary Dominix PvP pilots.
I use drones exclusively. Exclusively. Thats right, I have no gun skills. Why should my weapon, that is often hung out like laundry, for an enemy to destroy, unlike any other ship weapon, which has an inbound flight time far in excess of any other weapon, even torpedoes....why should this be nerfed? I just don't quite get it.
Heres an idea, why not NOT nerf everything that is simply disliked on the merits of whether or not it can defeat you. Not every Dominix that flies around is fitted for some 1 on 1 PVP, and taking this into account should be part of the equation. Otherwise, hell, I think we should be able to dodge missiles and deflect bullets, because, I don't like getting hit with those either.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.02 07:24:00 -
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öI agree 100%.
P.S: have I killed you recently? That name sure sounds familiar.ö
No you havenÆt killed me. You most likely heard someone else use my name in game or another thread. I get bought up a lot for various reasons or you might know me from the old E&B days.
Also there is a old TV show with a character with my name. Happy days I think itÆs called.
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Lord Ghyros
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Posted - 2006.11.02 07:32:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Earthan
All of you dominix nerf fans you still fail to adress my argument:
the domiinx is good only at close range , while 2 others tier1 bs can both do great at med to long range too ( armougeddon and scorpion).Also dornes take a lot of time to reach.
So dominix is very good at its sepcialized role while having nearly no otehr role.Imho its balanced .
PS Laboratus 1-1 is a very exsciting pvp in Eve,tough specific, and i fail to see why you compare it with npcs.
Amen to that! It takes about 90 days before you can command 10 drones, so you have to put a lot of effort in this ship before its usefull. in 90 days you can fly any other tier 1 BS pretty effectivly (not as good as a 3 year old pilot, I know^^). But with the domi you only have your drones after 90 days..... so think twice before you scream 'Nerf'
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:34:00 -
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I'd rather see what Kali does to the current balance of ships, before screaming nerf on any ship.
It certainly looks like the Domi wont be suvh a "1vs1 Solopwnmobile" anymore. The ECM nerf will hit some Domi polots in particular rather hard. With the extra 50% HP on Tech 1 ships, it'll become easier to kill off a Dominix's drones while they nibble away at your tank, you get longer to do it. Wipe out its drones and you either 1/2 its DPS, or nullify it.
The high slots....NOS will likely stay on a lot of Domi setups.....simply due to the fact that Blasters are so **** hard to fit on this ship, combined with the Dominix somewhat resembling a large space-brick when it comes to agility.
Erm...I think I'm starting to ramble.
....it's great hi-jacking a meme isn't it?
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:54:00 -
[114]
Domi whining ftl...
just dont take away meh hybrid bonuses y'hear!?
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:08:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Lets just wait and see how the changes affects the Dominix. It will no longer be a total pwnmobile.
Um, with the Hp boost, cap will be more important than ever, and drones don't suck cap to work. Suck your opponent's cap, and you win.
Now, 4 Neut drones and a Webber drone, and you can cap out your opponent while your extra HP keeps you alive, no NOS needed.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:11:00 -
[116]
the Domonix is fine the way it is.
what really needs a nerf is the raven, any idiot with 3m sp can do lvl 4 missons.
and that, imho is pure BS, try armor tanking with 3M sp, lol
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Aquae
Gallente
Die Trying
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:54:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Gonada
the Domonix is fine the way it is.
what really needs a nerf is the raven, any idiot with 3m sp can do lvl 4 missons.
and that, imho is pure BS, try armor tanking with 3M sp, lol
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
That's exactly my point , leave the Domi alone !!!!!
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