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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.10.29 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 29/10/2006 08:48:01
Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 29/10/2006 08:35:53
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 27/10/2006 14:22:58
Originally by: Gabriel Karade Sure, so long as it gets more grid (it can't fit the smallest class of Large blasters without an RCU II) to compensate.
Its a drone boat, not a blaster boat.
Dont blame the game just because you are ignorant.
600 dps from Electron Blaster II's, 475 dps from Ogre II's.
Tell me, who is ignorant?
After they changed blaster cpu, it's not so hot anymore. Plus i doubt there are many pilots in eve that do 475dps with ogres :P Also those 600dps require quite some dmg mods, not really easy with tank of any kind on domi.
You only need one damage module to get that kind of Dps (ok fair point about the Ogre II's). Sure it's not as hot as a Megathron, but ignoring the 7.5x turrets on it and claiming it to be a drone boat at the expense of everything else is kind of stupid .
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.29 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus I think it's time this boat also got inline with the other battleships. At the moment this battleship is the only one getting bonus to both frig, cruiser and battleship sized weapon via its drones.
Make the Dominix only have bonus to heavy drones, like all the other battleships only have bonus to their weapon sizes respectively. It would really be about time though we stopped this gallente win-button crusade
win-button my ass, go back to your corner you little muffin.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.29 10:25:00 -
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Or, just give Heavy drones a sig resolution of 400 like large turrets as opposed to 125 which is the same as cruiser weapons.
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Aakron
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.29 10:37:00 -
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They are drones, not turrets, they dont need turret signature resolution unless you are going to up the damage to compare to a neutron blaster
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
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Posted - 2006.10.29 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aakron They are drones, not turrets, they dont need turret signature resolution unless you are going to up the damage to compare to a neutron blaster
this idea appeals to me! /signed
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.29 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Laboratus on 29/10/2006 11:52:01 And make drones immune to Damage
PS learn to play PPS The domi drone damage bonus is very small dps wise compared to, oh say the rof boni in a raven. Or Geddon. Or damage bonus on a mega. etc etc etc. PPPS Still learn to play if you feel the need to whine about the Domi Mind control and tin hats |
Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.10.29 12:02:00 -
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Change the Dominix's turret bonus to an RSD bonus. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes |
Lucian Corvinus
Gallente Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.29 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 29/10/2006 11:52:01 And make drones immune to Damage
PS learn to play PPS The domi drone damage bonus is very small dps wise compared to, oh say the rof boni in a raven. Or Geddon. Or damage bonus on a mega. etc etc etc. PPPS Still learn to play if you feel the need to whine about the Domi
Thou are tah master of argument And how is the damage compared to a scorp?
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.29 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Berrik Radhok Change the Dominix's turret bonus to an RSD bonus.
Would be great, but some ppl would think it overpowered. Mind control and tin hats |
Laboratus
Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.29 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus
Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 29/10/2006 11:52:01 And make drones immune to Damage
PS learn to play PPS The domi drone damage bonus is very small dps wise compared to, oh say the rof boni in a raven. Or Geddon. Or damage bonus on a mega. etc etc etc. PPPS Still learn to play if you feel the need to whine about the Domi
Thou are tah master of argument And how is the damage compared to a scorp?
Thank you.
Scorp has a different role in combat. The domi is an ultra short range anti support platform, where the scorp can jam up to sniper ranges. Have to choose the right tool for every job etc.
Just a wee bit tired to the same old arguments given over and over again. Most of the peeps haven't really gotten what the domi bonus is all about. it's a +1 drone bonus, predating rmr, but for some reason... Ppl don't get it. Mind control and tin hats |
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errorist
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Posted - 2006.10.29 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: errorist on 29/10/2006 12:19:41 Yes plz kick the dominix while its laying down.
The drone bonus.. which now is a damage bonus, was changed from the +1 drone control bonus to reduce, then plz give us the +1 drone controle back.. but make it only for heavy drones.. how does that sound ? bad? , yes the dominix would be able to camp gates solo with the lag it would cause at the gate.
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Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2006.10.29 12:21:00 -
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Everyone talks about how a NOS-domi is overpowered but I just don't get it... I have virtually maxed drone skills and still I only fly the domi in a very limited set of circumstances...
All of these posts originate with the premise that if you fought against a certain ship 1v1 then you'd lose. This ignores the reality that the vast majority of fights are not 1v1 encounters. If the Domi was king of 1v1 AND one of the best gang ships then I'd agree with the OP, however its simply not true. In gangs of a certain size I don't rate the Domi at all, it simply doesn't deal enough immediate damage. This is a good thing imo - it has a role that it fits and it does its job well. Lets compare this with the other Tier1 BSs...
The Scorp - master of the EW and there's a reason it's always called primary in gangs - not because of its damage but because if used effectively and left unharmed it could cause a smaller group to beat a much larger force. The Domi can't achieve this.
The Geddon - master of the instant damage. Its bite isn't as bad as it used to be, but it still deals great instant damage and is generally fitted with a half decent tank these days too.
The Typhoon - i know very little about this and can only assume it still has a few deficiencies because of the mixed slot layout and not quite being able to tank or deal damage - can be used effectively as an MWD'ing NOS-phoon I've heard though.
It would be nice if people could widen their view when considering their argument but unfortunately they appear to be fuelled by recent losses... Oh well
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.29 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
It would be nice if people could widen their view when considering their argument but unfortunately they appear to be fuelled by recent losses... Oh well
lol, well this is not due to a loss, but merely to start a debate about it.
But rather than people coming with arguments like yours which I fell is a very good one, like "I think this would be a bad idea because... bla, bla, bla" people think "OMG, someone is talking about changing my ship rabble rabble, you are a retard.. rabble".
But what I've tried in 1 vs. 1, I'm normally terrorfied at running into a domi, but this might just be cause of the ecm and nos which really made the domi a pure "I-win" button in my eyes.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.10.29 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus I think it's time this boat also got inline with the other battleships. At the moment this battleship is the only one getting bonus to both frig, cruiser and battleship sized weapon via its drones.
Make the Dominix only have bonus to heavy drones, like all the other battleships only have bonus to their weapon sizes respectively. It would really be about time though we stopped this gallente win-button crusade
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DARKKK
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Posted - 2006.10.29 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus
Originally by: Yarek Balear
It would be nice if people could widen their view when considering their argument but unfortunately they appear to be fuelled by recent losses... Oh well
lol, well this is not due to a loss, but merely to start a debate about it.
But rather than people coming with arguments like yours which I fell is a very good one, like "I think this would be a bad idea because... bla, bla, bla" people think "OMG, someone is talking about changing my ship rabble rabble, you are a retard.. rabble".
But what I've tried in 1 vs. 1, I'm normally terrorfied at running into a domi, but this might just be cause of the ecm and nos which really made the domi a pure "I-win" button in my eyes.
domi & 1vs1 is funny coz ppl mostly don't want ew to be used. If it's non consensual 1vs1, you are far more likely to die in 10 vs 1 (aka get ganked)
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.29 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lucian Corvinus on 29/10/2006 13:34:57
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Shut, up.
Post with your main, nub
And stop crying, ECM will be nerfed on the domi
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Pottsey
Gallente Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.29 14:03:00 -
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"Or, just give Heavy drones a sig resolution of 400 like large turrets as opposed to 125 which is the same as cruiser weapons." Drones should not act like turrets they should not have the same drawbacks. 400sig on drones is unfair and doesnt make sence. Drones should find targets easy to hit compared to turrets.
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raVn666
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.29 14:48:00 -
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Leave the Dominatrix alone , dont you dare to nerf my ship !
Serious , the dominix already have its limits when it comes to combat ,damage and powergrid, not to mention that its damn slow , and you need really good droneskills to use the Dominix effective. Like on other ships you must choose how you wanna use it. If you go for a tanker you cant fit a full rank of heavy-nos or large hybrid weapon. And its not a good choice of ship for fleetcombats, neighter using it under sentryfire cause the drones get killed. I belive what ppl find most annoying with the dominix is that the nos and drones effective prevents frigs and cruisers to come to close.And that even though its jammed the drones still seek theyr targets, but I will say the same goes for caldari and f.o.f missiles.
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Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2006.10.29 14:48:00 -
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To close off my argument, one failing that people who cry nerf domi don't appear to take into consideration that in a gang fight your drones can be killed - whereas no other weapon type can realistically be disabled during the fight (assuming that people don't really fit defenders these days as they're so ineffective).
In fact, boost the domi Only joking, but do leave it as it is
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Ebedar
Gallente Primary Intelligence
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Posted - 2006.10.29 16:07:00 -
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The two major strengths the Nos Dominix has are its ability to use ECM in conjunction with a tank and its ability to use Nosferatu while maintaining a viable offense. There were a notable lack of Domnixies in the last two alliance tournaments, where ECM wasn't allowed.
I suspect we'll see a marked drop in the popularity of the Dominix in Kali with the nerf in ECM, a change which will probably see it brought "inline" with other BS. Combined with a long-expected change to Nos, it could actually mean that people call for the Dominix to be boosted in certain respects (e.g. increased grid), though that's a matter of opinion.
Incidentally, calling for the Domi's bonus to apply to heavy drones only is going to come back and bite many people in the arse if the bonus is then changed to apply to any heavy drone. ~
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.29 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey "Or, just give Heavy drones a sig resolution of 400 like large turrets as opposed to 125 which is the same as cruiser weapons." Drones should not act like turrets they should not have the same drawbacks. 400sig on drones is unfair and doesnt make sence. Drones should find targets easy to hit compared to turrets.
So please tell me what the draw backs of drones are on a dedicated drone ship, besides the fact that you might have to occasionally leave them behind and they take a couple of seconds to reach their target when they then output a high stream of DPS. The whole point of introducing the sig resolution to drones was to bring them in line with turrets and missiles. Drones are not some special case that should be allowed to break convention and balance.
And regarding the people who still think the Dominix lost DPS with the drone count changes: shut the **** up you morons and learn some basic maths instead of spreading bull**** and lies.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.10.29 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Originally by: Pottsey "Or, just give Heavy drones a sig resolution of 400 like large turrets as opposed to 125 which is the same as cruiser weapons." Drones should not act like turrets they should not have the same drawbacks. 400sig on drones is unfair and doesnt make sence. Drones should find targets easy to hit compared to turrets.
So please tell me what the draw backs of drones are on a dedicated drone ship, besides the fact that you might have to occasionally leave them behind and they take a couple of seconds to reach their target when they then output a high stream of DPS. The whole point of introducing the sig resolution to drones was to bring them in line with turrets and missiles. Drones are not some special case that should be allowed to break convention and balance.
And regarding the people who still think the Dominix lost DPS with the drone count changes: shut the **** up you morons and learn some basic maths instead of spreading bull**** and lies.
QFT.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.29 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Originally by: Pottsey "Or, just give Heavy drones a sig resolution of 400 like large turrets as opposed to 125 which is the same as cruiser weapons." Drones should not act like turrets they should not have the same drawbacks. 400sig on drones is unfair and doesnt make sence. Drones should find targets easy to hit compared to turrets.
So please tell me what the draw backs of drones are on a dedicated drone ship, besides the fact that you might have to occasionally leave them behind and they take a couple of seconds to reach their target when they then output a high stream of DPS. The whole point of introducing the sig resolution to drones was to bring them in line with turrets and missiles. Drones are not some special case that should be allowed to break convention and balance.
And regarding the people who still think the Dominix lost DPS with the drone count changes: shut the **** up you morons and learn some basic maths instead of spreading bull**** and lies.
/emote looks at t1/precision cruises.
Drones are pain to use and they can be killed. The drawback of drones is mostly inabilty to f1-fwhatever targets.
Dps didn't change, but even with more hp, it's way easier to kill 5 drones than 15(apart from smartbombing them).
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.10.29 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
/emote looks at t1/precision cruises.
Drones are pain to use and they can be killed. The drawback of drones is mostly inabilty to f1-fwhatever targets.
Dps didn't change, but even with more hp, it's way easier to kill 5 drones than 15(apart from smartbombing them).
They cant be killed when up close, all you have to do is recall the ones being shot, that:
a. repairs its shield b. wastes the enemies time because he spent time and ammo and cap shooting a drone c. breaks the lock, he needs to relock it
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.29 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger
Originally by: LUKEC
/emote looks at t1/precision cruises.
Drones are pain to use and they can be killed. The drawback of drones is mostly inabilty to f1-fwhatever targets.
Dps didn't change, but even with more hp, it's way easier to kill 5 drones than 15(apart from smartbombing them).
They cant be killed when up close, all you have to do is recall the ones being shot, that:
a. repairs its shield b. wastes the enemies time because he spent time and ammo and cap shooting a drone c. breaks the lock, he needs to relock it
Recalling drones is one of the biggest jokes in EVE.
Recalling is joke, so is replacing drones.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.29 17:35:00 -
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The only way killing 5 drones instead of 15 drones is easier is because you only have to lock 5 drones now as opposed to 15 before. However, you could easily have the next drone locked before you finished shooting the current drone under the old system anyway so that isn't really much of a point.
Now, the disadvantages:
1. It takes 3 times the amount of time it did before to lower a drone boat's DPS when shooting down the drones. Granted, after that amount of time it loses the damage of 3 drones, but until that one drone is popped it's doing full damage. Also, because heavy drones are now so hard to kill it is very easy to recall one before it has popped and then relaunch it with full shields.
2. Smartbombs are even more useless. What took 4 volleys before now takes 8-15.
3. A skillbook was added to give drones even more hitpoints.
4. Drones are completely immune to ewar so you can't even reduce their damage output by ewaring them.
5. T2 drones were added, which IIRC have increased hitpoints and damage.
And so on.
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Pottsey
Gallente Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.29 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 29/10/2006 19:13:58 ôSo please tell me what the draw backs of drones are on a dedicated drone ship, besides the fact that you might have to occasionally leave them behind and they take a couple of seconds to reach their target when they then output a high stream of DPS. The whole point of introducing the sig resolution to drones was to bring them in line with turrets and missiles..ö Introducing a sig resolution will not bring drones back in line with turrets it will make drones extremely weak compared to turrets. Drones do what 450dps ish with maxed skills and turrets easily do 700dps if not a lot more. The main point of drones are to engage targets that turrets cannot hit. Drones should do less DPS then turrets but hit far better and thatÆs just how they are now.
Your exaggerating as well, drones donÆt take a couple of seconds to reach there target and you cannot often bring back drone to your bay in seconds.
Drones have lots of draw backs your turrets donÆt aggros rats that your not shooting, drone do. Your turrets donÆt change targets after you tell them what to do, drones do. You donÆt lose millions from turrets blowing up. Yours turrets donÆt cause every single rat to target you in an area just because you have them. Drone often aggro everything just be being launched and orbiting your ship. There are lots of other drawbacks as well.
ôDrones are not some special case that should be allowed to break convention and balanceö Drones are a special case. They are not fixed turrets on your ship so they shouldnÆt act like turrets. A lot of people on this forum need to learn balance does not mean everything has to act the same. Drones should work differently from turrets.
ôThey cant be killed when up close, all you have to do is recall the ones being shot, that:ö Just how do you recall your drones from 50km away in seconds? How do you recall drones when they are webbed by the enemy thatÆs blowing them up?
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Bazman
Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.29 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza The only way killing 5 drones instead of 15 drones is easier is because you only have to lock 5 drones now as opposed to 15 before. However, you could easily have the next drone locked before you finished shooting the current drone under the old system anyway so that isn't really much of a point.
Now, the disadvantages:
1. It takes 3 times the amount of time it did before to lower a drone boat's DPS when shooting down the drones. Granted, after that amount of time it loses the damage of 3 drones, but until that one drone is popped it's doing full damage. Also, because heavy drones are now so hard to kill it is very easy to recall one before it has popped and then relaunch it with full shields.
2. Smartbombs are even more useless. What took 4 volleys before now takes 8-15.
3. A skillbook was added to give drones even more hitpoints.
4. Drones are completely immune to ewar so you can't even reduce their damage output by ewaring them.
5. T2 drones were added, which IIRC have increased hitpoints and damage.
And so on.
afaik, Drones can be ECMed, infact, assign 1 ewar drone to each of a Dominix's heavy drones and you've completely eliminated its firepower because it will always jam them (I will need to test this, this is second hand info i've read elsewhere on these forums)
This topic is also beating a dead horse. The Dominix isn't overpowered, the fact that you can Nos, ECM and tank effectively is. If you take a Dominix and plonk D250 Rails or Electrons on it, you will find it can barely fit them and you can forget about a decent active armour tank. When ECM is nerfed, you will find a Gun Dommie to be on par with the other Teir 1 BS' if not slightly clumsy and difficult to use. I barely ever fly the dominix despite having loads of SP in drones, they are simply too clumsy for my style of fighting. -----
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OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.10.29 19:38:00 -
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OMG give domi target painter bonus like minnie becuz its ubar!
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Elvarien
Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:33:00 -
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the domi could use a boost actualy since if you actualy fly it you realise its equal/weaker then the average other bs and anything but a ZOMG PWN IWIN boat I would also like to point and laugh at people taking the stats of a domi with every skill trained at L5 to use that as the arguments for its pwnage. The ibis will pwn if you train long enough >.>
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