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Adunh Slavy 1607	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:58:37 - [31] - Quote Whiskey Haze wrote: Again, I've just asked a question. Seriously, your hostility is baffling. Welcome to Eve, where ass hats think they're important. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
UMIRIN BRAH Aesthics 1	Posted - 2015.04.13 02:25:53 - [32] - Quote Whiskey Haze wrote: Have the rest of you been seeing extreme changes in the amount of highsec ganking lately? I have just recently re-subbed and although I cannot take credit for it all, I am doing my best. Be seeing you.
Herateis State Protectorate Caldari State 6	Posted - 2015.04.13 06:49:12 - [33] - Quote I too think there has been. Lots of concord ships in belts and giant veldspar rocks even in 9 security status systems.
Whiskey Haze Aliastra Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.04.13 15:58:03 - [34] - Quote I had a profitable weekend doing hub to hub trades. I switched from an Iteron 5 to a Nereus. Fitted 4 shield extenders, shield rigs, 3 inertial stabs, and 2 warp stabs. But no one tried to even scan me this week. I also just completed training for a prowler so that should make me less nervous. I'm really liking the speed on that ship. For anyone interested, there is a good thread here called " The Dangers of Hauling"
Mobadder Thworst RainRunners 266	Posted - 2015.04.14 23:08:21 - [35] - Quote Hi, Long time can flipper and war dec player here. I have been called a griefer.( I think the term "semi-consentual fun delivery agent" is more accurate.) I used to roam belts stealing things for fights. Sometimes in a frigate or badger, sometimes I would bait outside station. Or, war decs were so cheap I could dec a local corp very casually and not worry if I got anything out of it. Then the aggro rules changed and the risk and viability of baiting for fights became imbalanced, IMO. It is so much harder to bait that most of the baiters I knew either quit or went merc. Back then, Ganking only made sense if you knew the cargo was expensive. Now Ganking the the most viable form of casual highsec pvp. Yeah, I'm sure it's increasing... It's now the lowest risk engagement method in high sec... And a decent source of isk. I think it is a result of the new mechanics. For the record, I liked the old rules better. I think they produced better content for me and the miners. I posted some about this in C & P. I have had miners write me and agree with me. Mo
Amarrchecko Hedion University Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2015.04.15 01:57:28 - [36] - Quote Whiskey Haze wrote: It seems to me that due to the removal of clone cost, it has become too risky to fly an industrial ship or mine in anything but a procurer or skiff. Yes, I know how to fit my industrial ship. I also know how to MWD/cloak/warp. Either you're lying or you're incredibly unlucky. People who play smartly/carefully don't lose many/any ships (unless they're purposely engaging in risky activities, anyways), even if they are t1 industrials or covetors. Clone cost thing is probably not contributing, since concord deaths used to still be covered by insurance and since you can do suicide ganks with characters that have under 1 million SP anyways. Whiskey Haze wrote: So, my questions are: Have the rest of you been suffering higher losses in highsec lately? If so, how are you adapting? Personally, I am taking a break from EVE because I feel like I can't enjoy the game on weekends and I am now too limited in my choice of play styles. IF SO, how am I adapting? I planned to avoid losses in the first place so that I don't need to adapt. I'm a step ahead of the gankers, not a step behind. You're play styles are only limited by you, imo.
Mobadder Thworst RainRunners 266	Posted - 2015.04.15 02:19:44 - [37] - Quote Amarrchecko wrote: Whiskey Haze wrote: It seems to me that due to the removal of clone cost, it has become too risky to fly an industrial ship or mine in anything but a procurer or skiff. Yes, I know how to fit my industrial ship. I also know how to MWD/cloak/warp. Either you're lying or you're incredibly unlucky. People who play smartly/carefully don't lose many/any ships (unless they're purposely engaging in risky activities, anyways), even if they are t1 industrials or covetors. Clone cost thing is probably not contributing, since concord deaths used to still be covered by insurance and since you can do suicide ganks with characters that have under 1 million SP anyways. Whiskey Haze wrote: So, my questions are: Have the rest of you been suffering higher losses in highsec lately? If so, how are you adapting? Personally, I am taking a break from EVE because I feel like I can't enjoy the game on weekends and I am now too limited in my choice of play styles. IF SO, how am I adapting? I planned to avoid losses in the first place so that I don't need to adapt. I'm a step ahead of the gankers, not a step behind. You're play styles are only limited by you, imo. I think you are missing the OP's point. I think the OP has a valid point. 2 years ago, nobody would have ganked a noob mining vessel. It wasn't worth it. In between wars and flipping/baiting I would occasionally gank a bot miner just because I felt like they were cheating. I always announced it in local so everyone would come watch and give the miner a chance to be a person. It was fun for all. Ganking wasn't something you saw very often outside hulkageddon, which was a competition. Now Ganking is normally done all over empire... As a playstyle. 2 years ago, it made more sense to try to steal from a mining vessel to try to get a fight. Now it's safer and more controllable to just gank and let concord kill you. Short answer: all the guys who play Eve like "GTA: Space" have figured out that ganks are the easiest farmable crime mission.
LuckyQuarter Lucky Galactic Expeditions 40	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:22:01 - [38] - Quote Mobadder Thworst wrote: 2 years ago, nobody would have ganked a noob mining vessel. It wasn't worth it. In between wars and flipping/baiting I would occasionally gank a bot miner just because I felt like they were cheating. I always announced it in local so everyone would come watch and give the miner a chance to be a person. It was fun for all. ... Short answer: all the guys who play Eve like "GTA: Space" have figured out that ganks are the easiest farmable crime mission. I still don't see a problem. If you mine in highsec, fly a skiff or procuror. If you haul in highsec, fly a t2 blockade runner or deep space transport (tanked). If you are a newbie, well, you'll have to learn to fly cautiously...CCP doesn't seem to be worried about new player retention. Should ganking be more difficult? I wouldn't mind if grinding for standing increases in order to enter highsec took much longer than it does now....it should take awhile to regain trust. And, honestly, I wish industry players could limit who their market orders sell to (standing less than 2.0, sorry- you can't buy new destroyers at the lowest price). Otherwise, I think things are fine as is. People are being more careful in what they fly. That's good.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 4801	Posted - 2015.04.15 23:01:57 - [39] - Quote Over the past 6 years, I've been ganked once in hisec, because I made a mistake. I warped to station on Jita 4-4 instead of my insta-dock bookmark.
Mobadder Thworst RainRunners 266	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:26:56 - [40] - Quote LuckyQuarter wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: 2 years ago, nobody would have ganked a noob mining vessel. It wasn't worth it. In between wars and flipping/baiting I would occasionally gank a bot miner just because I felt like they were cheating. I always announced it in local so everyone would come watch and give the miner a chance to be a person. It was fun for all. ... Short answer: all the guys who play Eve like "GTA: Space" have figured out that ganks are the easiest farmable crime mission. I still don't see a problem. If you mine in highsec, fly a skiff or procuror. If you haul in highsec, fly a t2 blockade runner or deep space transport (tanked). If you are a newbie, well, you'll have to learn to fly cautiously...CCP doesn't seem to be worried about new player retention. Should ganking be more difficult? I wouldn't mind if grinding for standing increases in order to enter highsec took much longer than it does now....it should take awhile to regain trust. And, honestly, I wish industry players could limit who their market orders sell to (standing less than 2.0, sorry- you can't buy new destroyers at the lowest price). Otherwise, I think things are fine as is. People are being more careful in what they fly. That's good. As far as retention, CCP recently published a bit of research that states that players who get a ship destroyed (gank or fight) in the first two weeks of playtime play longer on average. Turns out, getting ganked or baited is the most exciting thing going for our young players. As for the current situation, I think the old mechanics encouraged more interactions and, thus, were more fun. I agree that the old war dec model wasn't good for retention, but can flipping gave miners and element of risk to dramatically improve output. It was a weighty decision. I think can flipping was great for everyone. I think if they brought it back Ganking would subside because can flipping is more fun. Gank or no gank isn't as much fun, in my opinion.

Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23633	Posted - 2015.04.16 02:01:07 - [41] - Quote Delete.. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 186	Posted - 2015.04.16 06:59:38 - [42] - Quote My friends haven't been ganked that often (They can probably count the losses on one hand from about five years of gameplay.) but I think all the attacks have happened when they haven't been paying full attention to the screen. In terms of haulers you should never use autopilot and never be 'AFK' while flying. Even the most vociferous members of anti-ganking fleets will tell you this so it is just how the game is played and not CODE propaganda. I think I would tend to agree that there has been a noticeable increase in high sec ganking. It probably started just before the advent of the 'hyper-dunking' tactic/exploit . There are many choke-point systems in high sec between the trade hubs which I won't name here. The majority of the ganking occurs in those systems but by using certain chat channels and using scouts and/or 'webbing alts' you can lessen the risk.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1516	Posted - 2015.04.16 08:27:28 - [43] - Quote Bethan Le Troix wrote: My friends haven't been ganked that often (They can probably count the losses on one hand from about five years of gameplay.) but I think all the attacks have happened when they haven't been paying full attention to the screen. In terms of haulers you should never use autopilot and never be 'AFK' while flying. Even the most vociferous members of anti-ganking fleets will tell you this so it is just how the game is played and not CODE propaganda. I think I would tend to agree that there has been a noticeable increase in high sec ganking. It probably started just before the advent of the 'hyper-dunking' tactic/exploit . There are many choke-point systems in high sec between the trade hubs which I won't name here. The majority of the ganking occurs in those systems but by using certain chat channels and using scouts and/or 'webbing alts' you can lessen the risk. Pretty much this. There are places where the risk of being ganked is higher than others. These places can be found on the map pretty easily. Scouting ahead and having a buddy to help you get into warp faster can be an invaluable asset... it may seem inconvenient or something of a hassle, but the extra effort can make the difference between getting your cargo to it's destination safely and someone else scooping up what's left of your cargo after a violent incident. As far as mining goes, keeping an eye on local and D-scan and mining while aligned helps a great deal. With the new rigs you can actually get a fair number of cycles out of a roid even while moving full speed, and being able to jump into warp the moment something lands on grid is a serious boost to survivability. I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 568	Posted - 2015.04.16 21:52:23 - [44] - Quote Bethan Le Troix wrote: My friends haven't been ganked that often (They can probably count the losses on one hand from about five years of gameplay.) but I think all the attacks have happened when they haven't been paying full attention to the screen. In terms of haulers you should never use autopilot and never be 'AFK' while flying. Even the most vociferous members of anti-ganking fleets will tell you this so it is just how the game is played and not CODE propaganda. I think I would tend to agree that there has been a noticeable increase in high sec ganking. It probably started just before the advent of the 'hyper-dunking' tactic/exploit . There are many choke-point systems in high sec between the trade hubs which I won't name here. The majority of the ganking occurs in those systems but by using certain chat channels and using scouts and/or 'webbing alts' you can lessen the risk. You mean like Uedama? Is that the system you can't name?
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4982	Posted - 2015.04.16 23:38:00 - [45] - Quote I'm glad to see that we are adding tension, chaos and excitement to your gameplay. I look forward to adding more in future. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Whiskey Haze Aliastra Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.04.16 23:43:19 - [46] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I'm glad to see that we are adding tension, chaos and excitement to your gameplay. I look forward to adding more in future. Oh, I agree. I think the danger has taken some of the boredom out of hauling life. Hopefully, more people will want to hire haulers to move their stuff, too. See you out there, Sabriz. o7
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4982	Posted - 2015.04.17 00:05:59 - [47] - Quote Whiskey Haze wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I'm glad to see that we are adding tension, chaos and excitement to your gameplay. I look forward to adding more in future. Oh, I agree. I think the danger has taken some of the boredom out of hauling life. Hopefully, more people will want to hire haulers to move their stuff, too. See you out there, Sabriz. o7 Haulers are definitely charging more than they used to. I used to get billion ISK Jita to Dodi jobs done for 6-7 million, now it's 12-15. I probably move 20 to 50 billion a month in collateralized courier contracts. It's good for me though - there's now more regional price discrepancies than there were back when CODE. wasn't feared by freighter pilots. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Noragen Neirfallas Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 264	Posted - 2015.04.17 09:56:36 - [48] - Quote Personally my mining ships on my ALTs have never been ganked. Then again they are all permit holders. And I try to lose my mining ship in rens all the time but it never seems to work out. Maybe your doing it wrong because my mining ships end up killing the aggressor's... Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Amarrchecko Hedion University Amarr Empire 46	Posted - 2015.04.17 12:36:59 - [49] - Quote Mobadder Thworst wrote: I think you are missing the OP's point. I think the OP has a valid point. 2 years ago, nobody would have ganked a noob mining vessel. It wasn't worth it. In between wars and flipping/baiting I would occasionally gank a bot miner just because I felt like they were cheating. I always announced it in local so everyone would come watch and give the miner a chance to be a person. It was fun for all. Ganking wasn't something you saw very often outside hulkageddon, which was a competition. Now Ganking is normally done all over empire... As a playstyle. 2 years ago, it made more sense to try to steal from a mining vessel to try to get a fight. Now it's safer and more controllable to just gank and let concord kill you. Short answer: all the guys who play Eve like "GTA: Space" have figured out that ganks are the easiest farmable crime mission. I'm not convinced that I'm missing the point (or that you got it). He asked two specific questions, which I addressed. It looks like his losses were half fit retrievers and no-implant pods, once in a .4 and once in a .6. The .6 loss was to a single CODE. guy. And the potential for these losses is enough to ruin his playstyle to the point he's taking a break from Eve? Even though there are a number of simple things he could do to reduce the chance of getting ganked and/or to help survive gank attempts that still happen? I think my reply was appropriate. Meanwhile, you're talking about when it is "worth it" to gank mining vessels? VENTURES? Come on, man. No one ganks miners to make money. They do it for fun. It's never "worth it" to gank a noob mining vessel. You can hardly make money no matter how you're ganking miners, even when you're getting reimbursed by James 315 AND using a second account to scoop up the little bit of loot there is after a gank.
Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 186	Posted - 2015.04.17 14:14:28 - [50] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Bethan Le Troix wrote: My friends haven't been ganked that often (They can probably count the losses on one hand from about five years of gameplay.) but I think all the attacks have happened when they haven't been paying full attention to the screen. In terms of haulers you should never use autopilot and never be 'AFK' while flying. Even the most vociferous members of anti-ganking fleets will tell you this so it is just how the game is played and not CODE propaganda. I think I would tend to agree that there has been a noticeable increase in high sec ganking. It probably started just before the advent of the 'hyper-dunking' tactic/exploit . There are many choke-point systems in high sec between the trade hubs which I won't name here. The majority of the ganking occurs in those systems but by using certain chat channels and using scouts and/or 'webbing alts' you can lessen the risk. You mean like Uedama? Is that the system you can't name? Yes that is the most notable one but there a quite a few others. For those who don't wish to enter low sec systems to shorten journey times avoiding systems like Uedama can turn a nineteen jump one way trip into a thirty-eight jump one way trip. Of course the gankers don't operate 24/7 and there are other things you can do to lessen the risk. But yes I won't name the systems so as not to encourage the less imaginative to join in.

Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 186	Posted - 2015.04.17 14:24:32 - [51] - Quote Amarrchecko wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: I think you are missing the OP's point. I think the OP has a valid point. 2 years ago, nobody would have ganked a noob mining vessel. It wasn't worth it. In between wars and flipping/baiting I would occasionally gank a bot miner just because I felt like they were cheating. I always announced it in local so everyone would come watch and give the miner a chance to be a person. It was fun for all. Ganking wasn't something you saw very often outside hulkageddon, which was a competition. Now Ganking is normally done all over empire... As a playstyle. 2 years ago, it made more sense to try to steal from a mining vessel to try to get a fight. Now it's safer and more controllable to just gank and let concord kill you. Short answer: all the guys who play Eve like "GTA: Space" have figured out that ganks are the easiest farmable crime mission. I'm not convinced that I'm missing the point (or that you got it). He asked two specific questions, which I addressed. It looks like his losses were half fit retrievers and no-implant pods, once in a .4 and once in a .6. The .6 loss was to a single CODE. guy. And the potential for these losses is enough to ruin his playstyle to the point he's taking a break from Eve? Even though there are a number of simple things he could do to reduce the chance of getting ganked and/or to help survive gank attempts that still happen? I think my reply was appropriate. Meanwhile, you're talking about when it is "worth it" to gank mining vessels? VENTURES? Come on, man. No one ganks miners to make money. They do it for fun. It's never "worth it" to gank a noob mining vessel. You can hardly make money no matter how you're ganking miners, even when you're getting reimbursed by James 315 AND using a second account to scoop up the little bit of loot there is after a gank. Aye. Suicide ganking mining vessels is usually a loss making exercise in terms of CODE operations as they are policing belts following their own rulebook. If you're operating in the field of resource protection then there is probably a profit motive for the contractors but not for the actual pilots of the suicide ganking vessels other than the gankers fee for completed contracts. There is a lot of ISK to be made from ganking small and large hauling vessels given that so many overfill their holds and use tactics that leave them fully open to attack. I see many people doing this for hours at a time and making a lot of ISK - potentially billions - but It's not something I would be interested in doing personally.
Whiskey Haze Aliastra Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.04.17 15:19:20 - [52] - Quote Quote: It looks like his losses were half fit retrievers and no-implant pods, once in a .4 and once in a .6. The .6 loss was to a single CODE. guy. As I said elsewhere in this thread, and should have stated in my OP, I am not really talking about the retriever losses on this character. I was mostly talking about hauler ganks. I apologize for not being good at posting clearly yet. I have been a lurker for decades and I'm still learning how to post clearly and with preemptive answers to assumptions and questions. I do not publish the name of my hauler because I fear someone tracking it. Next time I will make that more clear. Since posting, I have actually learned a lot about staying safe while hauling thanks to some of you and just doing better homework. As far as mining goes, the retriever is just off the table for me now. I was lucky for years with that. And as far as taking a break goes, everyone should take breaks now and then. Especially if you feel frustrated, which I did when I first posted and that's understandable. If EVE were not frustrating sometimes, it would not be the brutal game we love.
Mobadder Thworst RainRunners 272	Posted - 2015.04.17 16:28:22 - [53] - Quote Amarrchecko wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: I think you are missing the OP's point. I think the OP has a valid point. 2 years ago, nobody would have ganked a noob mining vessel. It wasn't worth it. In between wars and flipping/baiting I would occasionally gank a bot miner just because I felt like they were cheating. I always announced it in local so everyone would come watch and give the miner a chance to be a person. It was fun for all. Ganking wasn't something you saw very often outside hulkageddon, which was a competition. Now Ganking is normally done all over empire... As a playstyle. 2 years ago, it made more sense to try to steal from a mining vessel to try to get a fight. Now it's safer and more controllable to just gank and let concord kill you. Short answer: all the guys who play Eve like "GTA: Space" have figured out that ganks are the easiest farmable crime mission. I'm not convinced that I'm missing the point (or that you got it). He asked two specific questions, which I addressed. It looks like his losses were half fit retrievers and no-implant pods, once in a .4 and once in a .6. The .6 loss was to a single CODE. guy. And the potential for these losses is enough to ruin his playstyle to the point he's taking a break from Eve? Even though there are a number of simple things he could do to reduce the chance of getting ganked and/or to help survive gank attempts that still happen? I think my reply was appropriate. Meanwhile, you're talking about when it is "worth it" to gank mining vessels? VENTURES? Come on, man. No one ganks miners to make money. They do it for fun. It's never "worth it" to gank a noob mining vessel. You can hardly make money no matter how you're ganking miners, even when you're getting reimbursed by James 315 AND using a second account to scoop up the little bit of loot there is after a gank. While your reply was efficient at pointing out how he could avoid these losses, I saw this as somewhat self-evident. I thought your reply was flippant and missed the important point I saw in his post, which was that Ganking is out of balance. I think Ganking is out of balance, and that the easiest way to kill a ship in high sec should be to pick a fight and get your opponent to acquiesce to the engagement. I know you're going to talk about duels, but that system is ineffective because I cannot provoke anyone... So why would they duel? As it is now I can get a higher probability of a kill vs my cost by Ganking than by suspect baiting. Shortly said, baiting for profit is now harder than Ganking for profit. Thus, Ganking is what we do. I believe this is an inversion in the game mechanics and that it is destructive.
Jasmine Cheryu Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.04.17 22:58:53 - [54] - Quote oh it's 'this thread again' -- noob miners crying about code and other ganks How to avoid being ganked 101: 1. Keep local open + make all characters, alliances, and corporations (that you know of) red to all mining characters... therefore do not AFK mine and keep watching your local so you can gtfo when a red(s) comes into system. 2. This is a nice trick that everyone should learn to do -- go dock up where you, live, work, eat, ****, whatever (even the market hubs) and then instantly undock. Open people and places on the neocom and go to places tab (i think.. im on holiday at the moment and i'm not near a PC capable of playing eve, so excuse me) and 'save location' -- call it whatever you like.. personally i call it 'Base' or whatever.. --- why do this? This puts you right on top of the station you want to dock at, so you dont have the fly that extra 2,000m or so which happens on occasion when you right click and hit dock on a station in the drop down... 3. You can use ALL the mining ships, but you need to know their weaknesses and strengths. For those who are lazy and cant be bothered to figure it out: Hulk//Covetor -- FLEET MINING ONLY (note: these ships are paper thin and are easy as hell to gank, even if tanked well. watch local when flying one) Mackinaw//Retriever -- GREAT FOR SOLO MINING (note: these ships have a little more tank than hulks or covs, although they are still rather easy to gank if the gankers know what they are doing. Procurer//Skiff -- FABULOUS SHIP (note: this ship mines around the same amount as a mackinaw or retriever, but has the added risk of mining 'dead ore' (if you have a spin of 3,800m3's with your single mining laser on your skiff and you have a veldspar rock with only 1m3 of ore left.. you can pop that in 0.2 seconds, but if you leave it longer to run the full cycle.. you are mining 'dead ore') -- therefore, learn to 'active mine' and make assessments about when you need to turn off your mining laser, and reactivate it again. The skiff is brilliant, but if you wish to get the most out of it, one needs to active mine. Also note that these things tank like battleships.. i've flown them before with 110,000 EHP and can take on level 4 security missions, its a blast. 4. There are some VERY interesting methods to avoid being ganked, or to make things more difficult for the gankers, which i will outline now. 4.a: Mobile Microjump unit -- this is a recent deployable which has the ability to jump your ship 100km away, in the direction your ship is facing (if memory serves me well.. it takes 12 seconds to activate, so you need to be on the ball to use it). It WILL NOT WORK if your ship is being WARP DISRUPTED, but it will indeed work if you are being WARP SCRAMBLED (know the difference between your mods)... After you have been, effectively teleported 100km away, you can then warp to safety 4.b: Mobile Depot -- keep mods in your ship so you can change mods on the fly, if you see your gankers warp in, quickly change your lowslots out for armor tanking mods (for a little extra buff) and a damage control II 4.c: This is a very effective method, which I designed myself and called it 'belt prospecting'. It is making bookmarks around the belt, which are, A: still in range of all the rocks in the belt, and B: not right smack in the middle of the rocks, nor at the typical warp-in point of the belt itself.. so maybe 25km above the belt and above the rocks works nicely. These bookmarks once created will work consistently and will always drop you off at your location, even after downtime. Although do note, if you are ganked at one of these bookmarks, it would be wise to remove that bookmark and class it as 'void' and make another bookmark, similar to the last, but in a different location around the belt, whilst still being in range of the rocks 4.d: Keep a combat ship in your ship maintenence array on an orca (and of course maxtank your orca for anti-gank and NOT max cargo space. You can then switch ships accordingly if you need to defend yourself these ideas are just a little 'food for thought' and can indeed save your life if applied properly. There are certainly many many great ideas which can help with mining and avoid being ganked as well... ALTHOUGH, the best defence you have is setting standings of gankers to red, keeping local open and visible at all times (even in highsec....) and not AFK mining TL;DR -- treat highsec like lowsec, or nullsec and HTFU
Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2015.04.18 00:46:07 - [55] - Quote Jasmine Cheryu wrote: oh it's 'this thread again' -- noob miners crying about code and other ganks Hmmm, thread title: "Recent Increase in Highsec Ganks" Sure miners are affected but this is not just about miners, the tread is about hisec in GENERAL. I have seen no 'crying' here. As for the rest of what you said, verbatim regurgitation. Nothing anyone who mines hasn't read on any number of threads/sites. We have learned nothing from you, other than your ability to seem 'superior' EDIT... And the only reference I see to CODE. is a mention of loyalanon. Perhaps you should read the FULL thread before posting next time.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 686	Posted - 2015.04.19 08:46:09 - [56] - Quote Yes, there have been more ganks in high sec... but no, it has nothing to do with clones. The key is that there has been a shift by high sec gankers to different targets. Mining populations have been reduced thanks to CCPs action against botting and changes to ice belts and refining. Because the the target base is smaller there is more of a chance you'll be hit. Just remember the risk is there in high sec .. even if the reward has been somewhat gutted. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15614	Posted - 2015.04.19 11:46:02 - [57] - Quote Mobadder Thworst wrote: . I think Ganking is out of balance What do you base this on? All records show ganking is well below its high point of a few years ago. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1246	Posted - 2015.04.19 19:46:41 - [58] - Quote Jasmine Cheryu wrote: 4.a: Mobile Microjump unit -- this is a recent deployable which has the ability to jump your ship 100km away, in the direction your ship is facing (if memory serves me well.. it takes 12 seconds to activate, so you need to be on the ball to use it). It WILL NOT WORK if your ship is being WARP DISRUPTED, but it will indeed work if you are being WARP SCRAMBLED (know the difference between your mods)... After you have been, effectively teleported 100km away, you can then warp to safety It's the other way around. Points have no effect on microjumps (mobile or otherwise) while a scram shuts them down. Other than that a good post. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Jasmine Cheryu Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.04.19 20:54:59 - [59] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: It's the other way around. Points have no effect on microjumps (mobile or otherwise) while a scram shuts them down. Other than that a good post. Oh thanks -- I was 100% sure, I did the testing when the deployable was released, but obviously got confused between the modules =) Anyway thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it
Aleyla Chonis Adrift and at Peace JJS Spectral Coalition 0	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:57:51 - [60] - Quote Is ganking on the rise? Not sure, but I certainly lost several ships while still in hi-sec. Easy way to solve the problem: move to null. It's really quiet and certainly more profitable.



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