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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Pesadel0 on 27/10/2006 09:17:34 Can someone tell me if the local is gone in kali ?
And if the BM are nerfed (Required skill,jump distance 0Km)?
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Mephysto
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:23:00 -
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Local will not be removed for the foreseeable future. BM changes are still under discussion afaik.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto BM changes are still under discussion afaik.
See how democracy sucks? :)
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto Local will not be removed for the foreseeable future. BM changes are still under discussion afaik.
Thanks for the quick answer :).
Local will not be gone in kali and what about the BM?Are they still in discussing but are scheduled for kali 1 or are under discussion and are for kaili 2 or 3?
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Vala Draaken
Gallente Madhatters Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.27 10:26:00 -
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Actually they improved local. It shows standings too, now.
Vala D.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.27 10:29:00 -
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Kali 1 is in feature freeze, hence 2 or 3. ----------------
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Severa Crest
Nomina Sacra Sapientia Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:13:00 -
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I put an insta bm solution here if any1 wants to check it out.
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Panta Rei
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:14:00 -
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Warp to 0, autopilot to 15 sounds good... (I'd be able to delete a ton of BMs...)
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Morealis
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vala Draaken Actually they improved local. It shows standings too, now.
Vala D.
You actualy mean this? Hunting npcers/miners in 0.0 is almost impossible on tq is it is. With these changes its going to be impossible. Ewww bad standing guy in local lets safespot/instadock/hide in a pos. These changes make me sick and wanna quit eve tbh.
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto Local will not be removed for the foreseeable future.
very sad rly it should be rethinked in kali2 imho
It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it?
Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Morealis Edited by: Morealis on 27/10/2006 11:19:17
Originally by: Vala Draaken Actually they improved local. It shows standings too, now.
Vala D.
You actualy mean this? Hunting npcers/miners in 0.0 is almost impossible on tq as it is. With these changes its going to be impossible. Ewww bad standing guy in local lets safespot/instadock/hide in a pos. These changes make me sick and wanna quit eve tbh.
same here pal, but il just be a miner or explorer.. w8ting for kali2
It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it?
Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
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Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:26:00 -
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the standings aspect is a very good idea - will encourage more peeps to work together and yeah will alert peeps to hostiles (that said a lot of peeps dont take the care to be alert in local) tho for solo killers will encourage small gangs to come after u (would have liked to seen local removed altogether but hey its an alternative) with the main focus being anti lag (less bookmarks)
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Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Morealis Edited by: Morealis on 27/10/2006 11:19:17
Originally by: Vala Draaken Actually they improved local. It shows standings too, now.
Vala D.
You actualy mean this? Hunting npcers/miners in 0.0 is almost impossible on tq as it is. With these changes its going to be impossible. Ewww bad standing guy in local lets safespot/instadock/hide in a pos. These changes make me sick and wanna quit eve tbh.
What he mo said.
And here's my (old) proposed insta solution.
"When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) |
The Armin
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.27 12:06:00 -
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I agree on local to a certain extent but something would have to replace it. Max range on scanner would have to be increased and, like on other radar systems once unidentified ship is heading your way in warp or whatever some cute chick should calmly letting you know that we're having a "Red Alert, Ship to Condition 1, unknown ship on approach vector"
yarr. I imagine it would take a bit of overtime for the poor coders though.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.27 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Morealis Edited by: Morealis on 27/10/2006 11:19:17
Originally by: Vala Draaken Actually they improved local. It shows standings too, now.
Vala D.
You actualy mean this? Hunting npcers/miners in 0.0 is almost impossible on tq as it is. With these changes its going to be impossible. Ewww bad standing guy in local lets safespot/instadock/hide in a pos. These changes make me sick and wanna quit eve tbh.
Nothings changed. Noone in low sec ever sits there without checking local (and if they do, they still wont check it), and when an unknown jumps into system, people always doa show info. This doesn't show any more than a show info does (less, infact), it just minimilises on the lag of having to process a million show-info requests a day.
Still, I want to see Local gone and replaced witha proper scanner one day, but it's certainly not a quick fix. They'll get to it when they get to it. -----------------------------------------------
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rgreat
Gallente OEG
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Posted - 2006.10.27 12:25:00 -
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How about to show local only in stations ?:)
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Vala Draaken
Gallente Madhatters Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.27 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Morealis
Originally by: Vala Draaken Actually they improved local. It shows standings too, now.
Vala D.
You actualy mean this? Hunting npcers/miners in 0.0 is almost impossible on tq as it is. With these changes its going to be impossible. Ewww bad standing guy in local lets safespot/instadock/hide in a pos. These changes make me sick and wanna quit eve tbh.
Nothings changed. Noone in low sec ever sits there without checking local (and if they do, they still wont check it), and when an unknown jumps into system, people always doa show info. This doesn't show any more than a show info does (less, infact), it just minimilises on the lag of having to process a million show-info requests a day. ...
Exactly. It doesn't change a thing. Those who do Show Info, every time someone entered local, will have a slightly easier time. Those who don't will keep getting jumped.
2 more: Standings in local 1 Standings in local 2
Vala D.
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BOldMan
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: BOldMan on 27/10/2006 13:08:00
Originally by: Vala Draaken
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Morealis
Originally by: Vala Draaken Actually they improved local. It shows standings too, now.
Vala D.
You actualy mean this? Hunting npcers/miners in 0.0 is almost impossible on tq as it is. With these changes its going to be impossible. Ewww bad standing guy in local lets safespot/instadock/hide in a pos. These changes make me sick and wanna quit eve tbh.
Nothings changed. Noone in low sec ever sits there without checking local (and if they do, they still wont check it), and when an unknown jumps into system, people always doa show info. This doesn't show any more than a show info does (less, infact), it just minimilises on the lag of having to process a million show-info requests a day. ...
Exactly. It doesn't change a thing. Those who do Show Info, every time someone entered local, will have a slightly easier time. Those who don't will keep getting jumped.
2 more: Standings in local 1 Standings in local 2
Vala D.
Is not same reaction time of watching local and browsing info for each new player. That is a great nerf for hunting/killing miners/npc-ers. You will kill from now only afk people. Nice. Realistic speaking I dont see the point of having local when you dont own the gate sistem. If you dont own the gate sistem, why you should know from belts who just jump in? I prefer to have no local at all than having such a obvious warning. All this 'improvments' in last time encourage the trap-logging, evade logging, cloak-alt perma logg, insta-docking and re-insta-docking and much more very lame tactics. Really:
- how can a ship vanish in space? - how can you see local pilots without owning the gate sistem?
and of course:
- how an alliance can control his space when the tools are helping outsiders?
CCP maybe try to make a better game, but very often make a 'unrealistic' game and whole discution about reward/risk is a joke.
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hitech redneck
Digital Mind Crimes
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Posted - 2006.10.27 14:35:00 -
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why is it you only see the pirates/griefers crying to remove local. Local is fine. If It was removed the pirated would cry then to saying its to hard to see if there is a target in the system.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:00:00 -
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switch current local to constellation and that would be great. Retains all the benefits of what local should be, without it being the intelligence tool it is now.
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: hitech redneck why is it you only see the pirates/griefers crying to remove local. Local is fine. If It was removed the pirated would cry then to saying its to hard to see if there is a target in the system.
Amen!
Anyways, local only shows standings, not security rating. So what's the problem? _________________________________________
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:11:00 -
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Local should be an option. Those who have local open are visible to others in local.
Pvp is dead in this game aside from the gate camping... but that's hardly pvp.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Originally by: hitech redneck why is it you only see the pirates/griefers crying to remove local. Local is fine. If It was removed the pirated would cry then to saying its to hard to see if there is a target in the system.
Amen!
Anyways, local only shows standings, not security rating. So what's the problem?
The problem is from a pvp standpoint, it moves most pvp to gate camping. Because the only people you can get while roaming are the ones too stupid or busy to look at local and warp out.
And the truth is gate camping is not fun for either the camper or its unlucky victims.
There are enough tools available that if local was removed or moved to constellation, the NPCer or miner would still be safe most of the time. It just gives the hunters and pirates at least some chance of gettting a jump on someone at someplace other then a gate.
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Aquila Lightwielder
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:02:00 -
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you could justify the local by people being connected to a network with the stargates, everyone has to jump trough a stargate to get into a system (cept for capital ships) and when that happens they get registred with the stargate and thereby everyone in the system. Having standings in local just removes more lagg from the game (wich is something I don't object against), and I don't really see the extremly big difference between now local and the new local. If it's gonna make life a itsy bit harder for the pirate it's a good compromise for removing a major lagg-source. Just imagine everyone clearing out their adressbooks of hundreds of thousands of contacts, I know I will. If you can't catch people straight away in a system use recon ships or something, wait till they're comfortable and then take them. Adapt, don't whine :)
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Sonho
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: hitech redneck why is it you only see the pirates/griefers crying to remove local. Local is fine. If It was removed the pirated would cry then to saying its to hard to see if there is a target in the system.
From a perspective of a hunter to prey if local would vanish ,people mining,ratting ,etc would be more hard to find ...
It is not a easy problem to fix but local wasn't meant to be a recon tool .
Maybe if it was a delay or if in 0.0 there wasn't no local ,things whould be better and promote real recon on systeams not jumping in a alt and seeying the local .
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xBounty Hunterx
Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: xBounty Hunterx on 27/10/2006 16:17:44 You want a Local Solution?
Make it so that only people that have said something in local show up on the right.
Sorta like alliance chat seems to be in TQ.
And i dont know how but make it that if someone in your gang see's someone who hasnt spoken in local yet (not on the right. list of names.) they can report in that they have seen him and the gang will then see him in local.
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Aquila Lightwielder
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:17:00 -
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could maybe even implement a skill called "stargate hacking" or something, so pirates had a 40% chanse to hack the stargate registration system to not appear on local :p well who knows
Teh NAGA ShopÖ |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Serapis Aote
Originally by: Naal Morno
Originally by: hitech redneck why is it you only see the pirates/griefers crying to remove local. Local is fine. If It was removed the pirated would cry then to saying its to hard to see if there is a target in the system.
Amen!
Anyways, local only shows standings, not security rating. So what's the problem?
The problem is from a pvp standpoint, it moves most pvp to gate camping. Because the only people you can get while roaming are the ones too stupid or busy to look at local and warp out.
And the truth is gate camping is not fun for either the camper or its unlucky victims.
There are enough tools available that if local was removed or moved to constellation, the NPCer or miner would still be safe most of the time. It just gives the hunters and pirates at least some chance of gettting a jump on someone at someplace other then a gate.
I have a little mixed feeling on local: it is an important tool to socialize and get to know people, even supposedly ostile ones. The scanner effect is a mixed blessing (useful both for the prey and the predator). But has a big advantage: it use little space in your screen. If I had to use the scanner as now stand, or the little I have seen on sisi I would use a lot of my screen space, reducing my efficency for a lot of things, and get a more confusing information as I need to separate the ships from the other items displayed, and reducing the overview setting to the point of only displaing the ships and use the overview setting in the scan screen make overview almost useless. So, for me, local stay.
I find the option to go on constellation unsuitable as a single busy sisem in the constellation can spam all other palyers, even tose that need a clear channel, and lose a lot for socializing.
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Andrachim Tar'nar
The first genesis Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:51:00 -
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Keeping Local in 0.1+ and removing local from 0.0 might be an interesting idea. There has to be an option to aquire localinfo for system "holding" corps/alliances then. But again there is the problem with spys so it's hard to balance. I'm not creative enough to think of a good workaround. It sure would be fun having to "secure" your main routes in 0.0 as an alliance and there might be nice fights for "local control". But tbh the current way to own a system ( pos spamming ) is so boring that I don't really want to give it a huge push.
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Hansoloo
Supero Omnia
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Posted - 2006.10.27 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Hansoloo on 27/10/2006 17:27:32
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mephysto Local will not be removed for the foreseeable future. BM changes are still under discussion afaik.
Thanks for the quick answer :).
Local will not be gone in kali and what about the BM?Are they still in discussing but are scheduled for kali 1 or are under discussion and are for kaili 2 or 3?
Wow your smart arn't you.. What grade you in how 3rd?
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