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Space Samuri	Posted - 2006.10.28 04:10:00 - [1] I havn't been able to get in the test server because i don't have the right "build" so i wanted to know... What exactly is all this talk i hear about HP boosts about? Is it going to benefit PvP?
lofty29 Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.28 04:28:00 - [2] PVP takes 50% longer (or more). Much more fun --- Praxiteles Inc. is Recruiting! WTB Brokara's Modified Cap Booster
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.28 04:34:00 - [3] Originally by: lofty29 PVP takes 50% longer (or more). Much more fun I agree Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.28 05:17:00 - [4] Originally by: lofty29 PVP takes 50% longer (or more). Much more fun QFT The HP increase MIGHT also decrease the effectiveness of a blob now. So 100 ****ty ships wont automatically win against 25 heavily skilled and T2 fitted ships in fleet battles. Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.10.28 05:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Phoenix Lord Originally by: lofty29 PVP takes 50% longer (or more). Much more fun QFT The HP increase MIGHT also decrease the effectiveness of a blob now. So 100 ***ty ships wont automatically win against 25 heavily skilled and T2 fitted ships in fleet battles. Wrong... - It's great being Minmatar, ain't it?*
Blighter	Posted - 2006.10.28 05:26:00 - [6] just makes them get a bigger blob
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:00:00 - [7] bad, blobs ftl This corp is recruiting. Billboard Project
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:09:00 - [8] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 28/10/2006 06:09:35 Originally by: Samirol bad, blobs ftl Until they fix the node crashes/massive lag that blobs cause then I bet it'll be "Blobs ftw" again.. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:09:00 - [9] The HP boost puts huge emphasis on DPS over alpha strike. I'm not going to draw conclusions until Kali is live and I have a chance to fly around killing things, but I'm looking forward to fleets of hilariously fitted battleships MWDing 200km to engage enemy snipers at close range, and winning (if the snipers don't warp off, of course)
zurich93 XERCORE	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:14:00 - [10] its made it alot harder for solo pvpers, say it was 2 vs 1 the 2 people have a higher advantage since they have 2x the bonus from kali while the solo dude only has 1x the bonus Eg, The solo dude had (random number) 1k armor, the bonus has given him 1.25k armor (tech 2 ship) the people he is fighting have 1K armor each also and are in tech 2 ships so they both ahve 1.25k, thus the solo guy has a bonus of .25 or 250 armor but the 2 pilots have a combined bonus of 500, thats just the way i look at it. Sucks for people like me who do have theses kind of fights alot. 50% and 25% bonus wont make a difference when a 100 man fleet locks on to your bs, you will still get insta popped. seems like an easy option to fix a problem that i pearsonaly diddnt think was there. Nope starts here actually :O -----Sig starts here------- <3 Kaemonn eep eep beep heep keep womble... YOU DO NOT POSESS THE POWER TO DISGUINISH MY SIG FROM MY POST MWHAHAHA
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:15:00 - [11] Gonna say good for now. I will reserve full judgements until after playing in pvp combat. -------------------------- Join Demon Womb! PVP, Rats, Industry, join the fun!
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:18:00 - [12] Edited by: MECTO on 28/10/2006 06:18:13 kali favors blobs, noobs and carebears soo.. bad It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:29:00 - [13] Couldn't they just have made the corresponding skills add more than 5% Armor/Shield as they are leveled up? So you would have 50% more armor/shield with lvl 5 in the skill? _________________________________________
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:43:00 - [14] I don't see how double the hp suddenly would make gangs increase. People who blobbed before, are going to keep at it. It all depends on how many are in the corp/alliance. And what that alliance does. 8 man specialized merc corps for instance, will not magically increase to 45 active mercs, because there was a hitpoint increase. If they decided to disband and join a bigger corp. because it became too difficult to work under those conditions. Then -yes- that's bad. However, we do not know the ACTUAL effects yet. I think most people will remain oblivious to how to set their ships up, despite having more hitpoints. And those who aren't will still have the upper hand in combat. [ore mongers, recruiting]
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:43:00 - [15] Originally by: MECTO kali favors blobs, noobs and carebears soo.. bad Considering that carebears and noobs make up the majority of the player base and the extreme difficulty of trying to hammer out some other balanced way to have alliance warefare beyond blobs without completely revamping pvp i'd say the changes are going to be good.. Remember CCP has all the info to map out changes whilst we only get tidbits here and there to base our views.. Not saying that some players views don't have merit.. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin However, we do not know the ACTUAL effects yet. Yup.. Just coined a new term.. "Wait and SeeÖ" [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.28 07:50:00 - [17] Its going to make fights longer. I havent heard anyone complaining about it on the test server though, so maybe you quickly get used to it. Personally Im fine with it and I dont think its the end of the world. I never wanted longer fights, but now that its here, I think I can learn to enjoy it. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:04:00 - [18] both, the extended pvp periods is a good thing as fights are over to quick. but if other items such as cap booster charges alpha strike weapons are not adjusted in a similar manner it will unbalance the game making it a bad thing. _____ RAM is recruiting
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:10:00 - [19] Originally by: dantes inferno it will unbalance the game making it a bad thing. And what do you know about that? Have you seen it implemented? People judge too damn quickly. Get a grip. [ore mongers, recruiting]
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:14:00 - [20] Quote: And what do you know about that? Have you seen it implemented? People judge too damn quickly. Get a grip. ok atm the things are more or less balanced though alpha strike is not as good as it should be. now you increase one side of the equation but not the other that now makes it unbalanced. im not saying hp should not be increased, i am saying that cap and booster should also be increased also weapons which rely on a large initial dmg output should also be increased to bring them in line again retaining balance _____ RAM is recruiting
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:16:00 - [21] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 28/10/2006 08:17:12 Originally by: dantes inferno both, the extended pvp periods is a good thing as fights are over to quick. but if other items such as cap booster charges alpha strike weapons are not adjusted in a similar manner it will unbalance the game making it a bad thing. This is really a topic that needs its own thread (cap and booster charges). Personally I would very much prefer if you couldnt just pop cap charges like crazy, because it nullifies the minmatar and caldari advantage of using no cap for their guns/missiles. Anyway, it deserves a discussion. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:18:00 - [22] there is a limit to how much charges you can pop though, once you load your hold with enough ammo to actualy fight you are lucky if you can hold 4/5 charges. so it does not nullfy the advantage that much. especialy now with combat been drawn out longer-it could infact overpower that no cap usage advantage of the caldari/mimitar if cap/boosters are not adjusted with hp _____ RAM is recruiting
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:20:00 - [23] Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 28/10/2006 08:21:56 I forsee an increase in the 'bait' tactic. For those of you who havn't experianced this, a super tanked BS sits on a gate and waits for someone to agress.He then holds while re-inforcements flood in and jumps while at 10% armour after doing his job and trapping the smaller blob for his own larger blob. With the HP changes im thinking the bait BS's can be spread over wider areas, or you could even use a bait BC or bait cruiser (stranger things have happened). Huzzah for picket ships and any change that encourages such tactics . Lets hope people engage such obvious traps with their own sacrifical ships to spring the trap.OMG skirmish fighting in alliance space ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
Toro Viejo	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:21:00 - [24] According to this info... does it mean that those who rely more in capacitor to keep shooting will get nerfed (again)? If fights are going to be longer, won't those who use energy weapons be somehow nerfed? note: I haven't tested that, it is just a question that comes to my mind after reading that ships will have 50% more HP.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:21:00 - [25] Originally by: dantes inferno there is a limit to how much charges you can pop though, once you load your hold with enough ammo to actualy fight you are lucky if you can hold 4/5 charges. so it does not nullfy the advantage that much. especialy now with combat been drawn out longer-it could infact overpower that no cap usage advantage of the caldari/mimitar if cap/boosters are not adjusted with hp I used to use 12 cap charges with Raven with no problems. Still plenty of room for missiles etc. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:28:00 - [26] Quote: I used to use 12 cap charges with Raven with no problems. Still plenty of room for missiles etc. what size charges?? cause the only ones usefull for pvp is a 800 on a bs...and i can only fit 10ish at most on a domi which needs no ammo, but we could possibly leave charges as they are and just increase cap...because now its going to be very difficult for other ships to hold their tank and kill a opponent on current cap with the hp increase. either that or bring balance by making missiles and proj use cap so every one is in the same boat. or we could end up with the scenario where every one is flying caldari as their the only viable pvp option. _____ RAM is recruiting
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:30:00 - [27] Well, Destroyers are 50% less effective agaisnt Interceptors now, which, combined with their previous ratio makes almost no difference at all. It's also going to be harder for +8km disruptor-tacklers to keep up capacitor long enough. Nos is going to be more powerful. It always becomes more powerful as the game shifts to tanking. The changes to Capital ships means they may get more front-line use. Probably not, unless the majority of the fleet can each field one. Autocannons will be all the rage in close range setups, which means increased popularization of EANMs. All the same, we've been through stranger changes, and I've got more important things to worry about. --- Private Investment should preceed Public Investment
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:33:00 - [28] Originally by: dantes inferno Quote: I used to use 12 cap charges with Raven with no problems. Still plenty of room for missiles etc. what size charges?? cause the only ones usefull for pvp is a 800 on a bs...and i can only fit 10ish at most on a domi which needs no ammo, but we could possibly leave charges as they are and just increase cap...because now its going to be very difficult for other ships to hold their tank and kill a opponent on current cap with the hp increase. either that or bring balance by making missiles and proj use cap so every one is in the same boat. or we could end up with the scenario where every one is flying caldari as their the only viable pvp option. Yeah, it was 800 sized, but I had 4 loaded in the injector, so 8 in cargo. And yeah, I could have 10 if I wanted to as well. Still, thats A LOT of cap to be injected. :) People will have to test the impact of the hp changes on the test server to see if a change is needed. I think the blasterships will rip through the extra hp with just a few extra charges, but we'll see.... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:36:00 - [29] i was counting those in the hold. but you cant hold 10 if you have any form of ammo. most i can hold with 3000 rounds of am ammo is 5..so gives me 9 charges, which as you can appreciate on long ops in hostile territory is usless (i speak of pvp as that is where unbalance will show the most). but i would be happy with booster charges remaining the same. what i would like to see is either 1) cap increased on all ships to match the hp changed 2) missiles and projectiles given cap usage to level it out. _____ RAM is recruiting
Pottsey Gallente Acme Shipping Inc	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:48:00 - [30] The HP change was good last time and its good this time. Some thing might need tweaking but overall its good. Passive shield tanking guide click here

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