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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: reaTh Originally by: Moghydin Nice read. Very well constructed piece of fiction. Clearly you have been reading to many of Cyvok's and Madeye Mcready's "Morale" blogs. This is not fiction this is fact we own your station's next its your move what are you going to do? Fiction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction Many points in the post are imaginary (based on observations of the poster and his predictions), hence - fiction .Some, though, are facts, not arguing about that. Extarct from Wikipedia: "A large part of the appeal of fiction is its ability to evoke the entire spectrum of human emotions." It was a large part of the post too - another match. Care to actually comment on which parts are fictional?
Nebuchadnezzar I Grettistak Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:50:00 - [62] Nice post. Now "IF" ASCN keeps it up then surely they will perish - but what then? What is left to "on paper" keep bob from world domination? And where will BOB find targets that their warmachine cannot crush if the biggest and wealthiest alliance crumbles this easily? Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction.
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:53:00 - [63] Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Nice post. Now "IF" ASCN keeps it up then surely they will perish - but what then? What is left to "on paper" keep bob from world domination? And where will BOB find targets that their warmachine cannot crush if the biggest and wealthiest alliance crumbles this easily? Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction. There are always challenges m8, often the greatest opposition comes from the least likely targets. Listen to BoB Radio!! WELCOME BACK MGRL
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:53:00 - [64] Originally by: olyyy Irony... Irony... ASCN reminds me of an alliance So much efforts to come to this... I really enjoy the irony I just miss one thing to complete this irony of fate: ASCN worse enemies saving its ass. Yeah, that would really be the top You are missing a small detail my friend. First, some corps in ASCN have to form/join a new alliance, say the bulk of ASCN corps don't pull their weight and set them to negative standings, before finally making a separate peace with BoB Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit should go where credit is due. Thank you Rebellion for putting my thoughts into words. Am i the only one who saw this? illiterate Nevertheless it's an interesting post and a good read, even if a bit heavy on the metaphor side of things. Most of all, if it goes the way such threads usually do, it will ease the pain of working on a sunday afternoon while my alliance mates are fighting. Keep fighting this war both sides, interesting stuff is happening again (oh, and you evol dudes sent my greetings to Etherios if you see him online)
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar Black Reign Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:54:00 - [65] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 29/10/2006 15:55:24 Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Nice post. Now "IF" ASCN keeps it up then surely they will perish - but what then? What is left to "on paper" keep bob from world domination? And where will BOB find targets that their warmachine cannot crush if the biggest and wealthiest alliance crumbles this easily? Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction. ASCN would never be the ones to be on par with BoB..they are not a warmachine...but they are good at what they usyally do making tons of isk...theres a difference But not being a Bob fan..go ASCN...fight for it prove us wrong
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:07:00 - [66] Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 29/10/2006 16:07:35 Originally by: ElCoCo So where's that Cyvok bloke? What's the excuse of being awol for so long? Pulling a Torn Soul (cough broken router as FA fell cough) This way he can blame others as/when his empire falls to pieces.
Zasra Crown Royal Mining Corp	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:08:00 - [67] Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction. No, your right, it's over for them. They only have a small handful of people even willing to fight anymore, as futile as it is.
SmEdD Amarr Nocturnal Soldiers	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:14:00 - [68] Very good read and ASCN just for a tip to try and save yourselfs, the red dot on the map below should be the front lines with BoB not in an Xelas system playing outpost ping pong. Where ASCN went wrong
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:17:00 - [69] we're terrified, truely we are -xian
Lucus Ranger Gallente 23rd Rifles	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:28:00 - [70] Nice read.. ASCN really needs to sort themselves out otherwise they will loose their stations one by one..
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:30:00 - [71] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 29/10/2006 16:33:36 Actually, I've been trying to think of WHY ASCN is failing so badly against BoB. I know all the usual explanations, more PVP experience, more SP, better equipment etc., plus of cause all the 'BoB are GM's', Haxors, etc., but when closely examined they don't really hold up. ASCN should with 5000 members be able to beat BoB's 1600 members! Personally, I think the main difference is in the attitude and goals of the leadership of the 2 alliances. ASCN's leadership seem to think (please note that I have only their leaked blog's and morale speeches to go from) that they're great leaders, forging a mighty empire. BoB's leadership realise this is only a game, and are striving to give it's members the best gaming experience they can. In a way it can be said that ASCN was created as an empire for it's own sake, while BoB just happened as a way to structure the game experience for it's members. If you think about things in this way, it is quite easy to see why ASCN is failing. BoB pilots know that our 'leaders' are trying to give us the most fun game experience they can. That is why when we loose a ship, there is little whining, and soon the player is back in another ship. This ship will often be better fitted than the one lost since the player has learned a bit more since he fitted his last ship. An active ASCN player though, is being used to further the ambitions of ASCN and their leaders. He is loosing his ships, not for the reason of having fun in the game, but because someone else think they're forging an empire. After a few losses, he'll come back in smaller ships, and after a while, he'll not come back at all. I think this all sums it up pretty well (if a bit rambling). In a way you can say that the accusations against the BoB leaders that they're GM's are actually true. Not GM's in the EVE sense of.c., but GM's in the AD&D Game-Master way. They're not 'empire leaders', but they structure the gameplay for hundreds of players so they all have the maximum enjoyment from their subscription money. ASCN's leadership seems to think that that they ARE 'empire leaders', and that is why ASCN lost this war before it even started. --- On a completely different subject... Regarding the last couple of days fighting in GQ2 and H8-. Compliments to the ASCN pilots that showed up. You did ok with what you had, but really, climb out of those frigates and get into some BS (or cruisers at least). They're not that expensive. Also, realise that fighterbombing is a loosing tactic. It'll kill a ship here and there, but it'll never hinder us doing what we want. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Galimiy Portret Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:44:00 - [72] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 29/10/2006 16:33:36 Not GM's in the EVE sense of.c., but GM's in the AD&D Game-Master way. Darn! I just knew it all the time that all those roleplayers are ebil.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:45:00 - [73] Well, up until these last couple of days, I though ASCN might have a snowflakes chance in hell. After the loss of two systems, and no hint of an organized response to attempt to recapture, I must say they are going to start falling fast. As each station falls, the pilots and corps that base there will lose considerable assets, and be forced to either adapt or leave. Not knowing the fate of the remaining stations isn't going to give them much incentive to reform in another system. Props to BoB. You've become the largest ISK sink in EvE. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Cyvok's gone and pulled a torn soul. I'm sorry, this made me lol Euro Empire/0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
Mace Ardguy Dark Wheel	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:52:00 - [75] Edited by: Mace Ardguy on 29/10/2006 16:54:32 Looking at both ASCN and BoB's killboards right now (16:45hrs) 14 ASCN BSes and 7 BoB BSes dead, mostly in GQ2S. In a similar time of day 1month ago I remember BoB had a 10:1 ratio when they were trying to take GQ2S. From 10:1 ratio to 2:1 ratio in 4weeks... ... and from the rate of kills showing up, looks like ASCN is taking the fight back to Uncle BoB. Thing is, can BoB improve faster than ASCN? What does the next month hold? I have a few mates in ASCN for inside gossip and a lot of popcorn to watch this unfold :) Good luck to all involved :)
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:56:00 - [76] Originally by: Mace Ardguy Looking at both ASCN and BoB's killboards right now (16:45hrs) 14 ASCN BSes and 7 BoB BSes dead, mostly in GQ2S. In a similar time of day 1month ago I remember BoB had a 10:1 ratio when they were trying to take GQ2S. From 10:1 ratio to 2:1 ratio in 4weeks... ... and from the rate of kills showing up, looks like ASCN is taking the fight back to Uncle BoB. Thing is, can BoB improve faster than ASCN? What does the next month hold? I have a few mates in ASCN for inside gossip and a lot of popcorn to watch this unfold :) Good luck to all involved :) That is mostly because ASCN are not BRINGING in many BS anymore. They've changed tactics to use cheap frigates and fighters. What you'll not see from the killboard is the masses of fighters killed, each of which cost approx. 20m each. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:59:00 - [77] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 29/10/2006 16:33:36 Actually, I've been trying to think of WHY ASCN is failing so badly against BoB. Dedication, Determination, and Discipline. That's what BoB has over ASCN that is helping them win. --------------
Kaiu Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:59:00 - [78] Originally by: SirMolle Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah AWFUL CLICHE Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Blah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah Blah. Blah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah Blah Another terrible cliche. Blah BlahBlah BlahBlah Blah Dune Quote. Blah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah . Interesting stat's Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah . Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah BlahBlah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Matrix Quote. The Pendulum is still swinging. Will BOB be stating your next War Aims? Like you did with GQ ? ____________________ MOGarmy
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Caldess Dedication, Determination, and Discipline. That's what BoB has over ASCN that is helping them win. True, but I was trying to think behind that, why BoB did have those. As said, I think is all falls back on the BoB 'leaders' aiming first of all on giving the best game experience to their members, where the ASCN leaders aim first of all at making ASCN (and themselves) great. What are you willing to 'die' for in a game? Having fun, or furthering the 'glory' of another player? My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Lansfear Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:23:00 - [80] An excillent post and more true than some would think. ASCN have been fruitlessly hunting in Delve for a month attacking so called "BoB Slave" corps when what they realy needed to do was defend their home and attack BoB. In doing so they've dragged in corps that would otherwise have nothing to do with the war and sadly to say have made a few enemies doing so that never would have been enemies.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:30:00 - [81] HELP ME! OH NO!! NOT THE TENTRILS!!! ARGHHH Such a well written piece of smack. Cya on the battlefields. - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Moustache Man	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:31:00 - [82] Edited by: Moustache Man on 29/10/2006 17:31:47 Delete.
Moustache Man	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:32:00 - [83] Edited by: Moustache Man on 29/10/2006 17:32:12 ...
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:38:00 - [84] Originally by: NATMav Props to BoB. You've become the largest ISK sink in EvE. LOL, loved that one. Now the 'bob GMs!' theorysts can claim that BoB is CCP's ISK sink that is much needed for the game ------------------ Save Tranquility!
a1lugsy Caldari Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:02:00 - [85] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Caldess Dedication, Determination, and Discipline. That's what BoB has over ASCN that is helping them win. True, but I was trying to think behind that, why BoB did have those. As said, I think is all falls back on the BoB 'leaders' aiming first of all on giving the best game experience to their members, where the ASCN leaders aim first of all at making ASCN (and themselves) great. What are you willing to 'die' for in a game? Having fun, or furthering the 'glory' of another player? this is sooooo true, i just wanna say, i left ASCN the "largest" alliance in eve with the "best" 0.0 systems to join BoB, and its the best decision i ever made (ingame btw i have a life ). BoB radio, structure, great corp buddies, and great leadership ( let me just wipe this brown stuff of my nose ) the bob experience rocks and there isn't a thing i wouldn't do (ingame) for a member of bob. thats why we rule we're a family .
Nebuchadnezzar I Grettistak Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:08:00 - [86] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 29/10/2006 15:55:24 Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Nice post. Now "IF" ASCN keeps it up then surely they will perish - but what then? What is left to "on paper" keep bob from world domination? And where will BOB find targets that their warmachine cannot crush if the biggest and wealthiest alliance crumbles this easily? Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction. ASCN would never be the ones to be on par with BoB..they are not a warmachine...but they are good at what they usyally do making tons of isk...theres a difference But not being a Bob fan..go ASCN...fight for it prove us wrong Well, PVP wise probably not, but in "teritorrial wars" i'd still think they ought to be able to do alot more than i've read about, for one thing supposedly having a huge cap fleet? And im not taking any sides at all, im just a bit saddened that BOB seemingly is having a field day currently.
Kastar Chronodynamics	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:29:00 - [87] Edited by: Kastar on 29/10/2006 18:29:09 Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit should go where credit is due. Thank you Rebellion for putting my thoughts into words. Am i the only one who saw this? illiterate hmmm, not intended then, I meant the opposite of that, the positive thing. /me back to english class. Forgive me, I'm dutch -----------------------------------------------
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:34:00 - [88] Beatiful post, tells the story of this war without naming names or numbers. This is exactly how I see this war as well. Grats bob on your new region. ASCN: "free my mind, free my mind, free my mind. whooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Zak Kingsman A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:46:00 - [89] Originally by: Kastar Edited by: Kastar on 29/10/2006 18:29:09 Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit should go where credit is due. Thank you Rebellion for putting my thoughts into words. Am i the only one who saw this? illiterate hmmm, not intended then, I meant the opposite of that, the positive thing. /me back to english class. Forgive me, I'm dutch Its ok. Literate is the word you were going for and I think most people realized that, and realized that the global aspect of eve means man people using English as a 2nd or worse language.
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:04:00 - [90] Originally by: Tzrailasa BoB's leadership realise this is only a game, and are striving to give it's members the best gaming experience they can. I think most people who aren't mmo players would see what any given EVE player is doing as going beyond "only a game" (whatever that means), and certainly that most 0.0 alliances go beyond what would normally be considered "only a game." But the rest of your point is solid, leaders should be the servants of the people, not the other way around. my thoughts are my own and do not represent the thoughts of my corp

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