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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:30:00 - [121] Originally by: Elve Sorrow ...but gave them to Reikoku at the time. Oh, the favours I performed :p Though I think you guys took NOL and helped us take 5-6, iirc mo- remained / returned to being an FA station a number of times before we finally held it down.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:31:00 - [122] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Not quite, Nez. Shinra never went after FIX, although im flattered that our occasional raid into Querious/Delve/PB and Fountain are seen as a descend on Querious. We really just settled in Vezila while regrouping and restocking, and we lead the occasional fleet to have some fun. And ya, ran into some FIX. Querious was never our goal, Period Basis was. Also, Shinra was as active if not more active as ATUK and pre-BoB against FA. Not completely relevant to this discussion, but i'd hate it if our part was forgotten. It was Shinra that captured PB and completely pacified Delve. Shinra took the stations in Delve, but gave them to Reikoku at the time. BoB sticked around and we didnt, thats all. hehe.. fair enough I'll stand corrected then... I suppose when you guys dropped an entire fleet onto 9cg and stayed there for several days.. it was only a courtesy visit.. perhaps testing the waters...although it certainly felt like an invasion at the time. Shinra did create massive problems for FA and it should not be forgotten.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:31:00 - [123] Originally by: Zadren Radek So what is it you are actually trying to convey with this rather long-winded diatribe, Molle? That the alliance is shaking in its boots, too afraid to fight the 'Demon Hordes' of Bobbits assaulting its borders? Paralysed by fear and mesmerised by its own impending demise? Your alliance has a very major delema to deal with. It is creating fear within as a survival mechinism. Your leadership is being dishonest to its membership. It is artificially raising morale at the expense of it's own future. It is avoiding avoiding reality to keep up an image. It is a double edged sword for ASCN HC. If HC is honest with themselves and their members and admit these defeats are due to incompetences/lack of skill then your members will lose confidence in their fleets and everyone starts to panic. Mass panic has not set in to ASCN membership yet. Right now it is staying with ASCN HC. Their leadership mimics confidence very well when speaking to their members. However if this confidence not sincere. This is demonstraited by their persuit of symbolic victories and avoidance of the critical fights. So ASCN HC is panicing and instead of an admission of responsibility they either deny their losses, waist human resources, and claim exteral forces out of their control cause their losses (ie. sploits, lag, cheap tactics) then your military has no chance of improving. If your HC doesnt admit fault how can they learn from their mistakes and improve? Short term this approach may keep members from leaving, but in the long term it will cause mass panic and end up leading to a very ugly end for ASCN. Fear and insecurity are contagious. So HC's choice is either accept all blame and try a new approach resulting in loss of their memberships confidence and trust or deny responsibilty and never improve. Either way you lose. These are just symptoms of ASCN's lack of military leadership abilities. I'm not talking about the pilots or FC's. I'm talking about the generals/commander and chief. This will not get any better. These commanders for the most part are very experienced. They can not claim lack of experience. They've had plenty of time to hone their skills. This is purely lack of ability and creativity. It is demonstraited very clearly through every step of the war. Your stategy/tactics are all just tricks other alliances/corps have done on you, avoidance, and denial. Its good to learn from experience but most of the time you apply those learned strategies/tactics in improper methods. You just mimic what you see others do. You need creativity to adapt what you have learned if you want to properly apply what you know to your current situation. HC's failure to comprehend this and identify critical battles in the war clearly demonstraits the lack of military leadership potential. Your commanders are sub-par. There is no real fix for this other than new leadership. ASCN has repeatedly tried to compensate for this lack of ability by relying on cheap parlor tricks. These are not long term solutions. They may be enough to get people to show up to the next battle. They also prevent you from winning fleet battles and wars. It seems you leadership has turned to denial as a coping mechanism. In a colossal failure as military commanders HC sees morale as the only important aspect of the war. High morale and spin will not win you this particular war. High morale will just keep you in the fight. It will not win you anything. Because of the fear and lack of confidence of ASCN HC you guys are fighting in an effort not to lose. We are fighting to destroy. The fear and lack of confidence in your high command will soon spread through ASCN like a wild fire. Have fun. We will. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:34:00 - [124] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Nez Perces - Shinra on SE's bequest descend first on Querious (they retreat) and then move onto decimate Period Basis League (FA puppet government in Period Basis) Not quite, Nez. Shinra never went after FIX, although im flattered that our occasional raid into Querious/Delve/PB and Fountain are seen as a descend on Querious. We really just settled in Vezila while regrouping and restocking, and we lead the occasional fleet to have some fun. And ya, ran into some FIX. Querious was never our goal, Period Basis was. Also, Shinra was as active if not more active as ATUK and pre-BoB against FA. Not completely relevant to this discussion, but i'd hate it if our part was forgotten. It was Shinra that captured PB and completely pacified Delve. Shinra took the stations in Delve, but gave them to Reikoku at the time. BoB sticked around and we didnt, thats all. Hey Elve Pretty much the way I remember it. I missed parts of the delve campaign (was out of town the whole three days it took to pry off FA). I know BOB was heavily fighting with FIX then. I know that contiunued for many months even after we (shinra at then) left to start 5 with ATUK/BOS/SUPRM/REIGN.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:39:00 - [125] Originally by: Nez Perces You cannot hope to win a war without ever defeating the enemy on the battlefield. Its simply not possible... whichever way you look at it. Not true. I've fought a war and lost every single fight without exception and still won the war rather easily. /waves to smash. hi Emperor! It can be done. It's just not being done. ASCN should own not only paragon soul but most of period basis right now. They just made some collosal strategic errors. If ASCN and BoB swapped leaderships BoB would be in empire fighting a gurilla war. ASCN would control bobs regions. BoB would probably still win alot of the fights but would be losing the war. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:42:00 - [126] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 21:44:31 Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 21:42:53 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Nez Perces You cannot hope to win a war without ever defeating the enemy on the battlefield. Its simply not possible... whichever way you look at it. Not true. I've fought a war and lost every single fight without exception and still won the war rather easily. /waves to smash. hi Emperor! ... hmm k this sounds intriguing.. could you give us some more details? How do you win a military war in EVE, where territorial conquest is the objective, without winning any battles on the field? I for the life of me can't think of a way to accomplish this. [edit:for clarity]
BurnYaBad Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:44:00 - [127] And the bob drival begins once more, Let's play a game of bob posting. I'd say its 20 to 1 the bob to ascn replies, let's then look at the number of members in each alliance, wow Sir Fool has you guys busy on both fronts.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:44:00 - [128] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 21:42:53 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Nez Perces You cannot hope to win a war without ever defeating the enemy on the battlefield. Its simply not possible... whichever way you look at it. Not true. I've fought a war and lost every single fight without exception and still won the war rather easily. /waves to smash. hi Emperor! ... hmm k this sounds intriguing.. could you give us some more details? How do you win a military war without winning any battles on the field? I for the life of me can't think of a way to accomplish this. I'll drop you an eve mail in game when I get back from picking my roommate up at the airport. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:45:00 - [129] Originally by: BurnYaBad And the bob drival begins once more, Let's play a game of bob posting. I'd say its 20 to 1 the bob to ascn replies, let's then look at the number of members in each alliance, wow Sir Fool has you guys busy on both fronts. well, unlike you who are busy on neither. Keeping a low profile on the forums is well and all but sitting at the POS all day is not... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Remmington Daniels Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:45:00 - [130] Originally by: BurnYaBad And the bob drival begins once more, Let's play a game of bob posting. I'd say its 20 to 1 the bob to ascn replies, let's then look at the number of members in each alliance, wow Sir Fool has you guys busy on both fronts. Stop talking on here High command said so. Because your making yourselves look like idiots. Wait you are...
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:45:00 - [131] Nez you ever heard of the "scorched earth" tactic?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:46:00 - [132] Originally by: pershphanie I'll drop you an eve mail in game when I get back from picking my roommate up at the airport. ... heh.. its a lot more fun on the forums.. but as you wish..
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:47:00 - [133] Originally by: Mauxir Nez you ever heard of the "scorched earth" tactic? that tactic does not work in EVE, in EVE nobody dies of hunger or cold once the winter arrives.... unless I'm missing something.
Suleyman Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:49:00 - [134] Cheese.. When an FC can't targetcall to save himself, and the fleet is not on the same TS. Then you loose battles. The rest will then be just talk. Suley
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:54:00 - [135] With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. When you remove resources that might benefit him and try and cut off his supply route he will be crippled and defeated. So to defeat an enemy you don't need to win a battle to win a war if you can cripple him in this way.
Jebidus Skari Amarr KTHNXDIE	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:05:00 - [136] Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 29/10/2006 22:07:43 Well done. Interesting times ahead to be sure, now that the buffer between you and Feyth. has gone. Originally by: Mauxir With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. When you remove resources that might benefit him and try and cut off his supply route he will be crippled and defeated. Is that really an issue in EVE given Jump Drives?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:08:00 - [137] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 22:09:29 Originally by: Mauxir With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. When you remove resources that might benefit him and try and cut off his supply route he will be crippled and defeated. So to defeat an enemy you don't need to win a battle to win a war if you can cripple him in this way. well... in EVE, particularly with the advent of clone jumping and capital fleets with jump capabilities... these problems are reduced. Logistics have been aided massivley by jump drive technology. An entity with good logistics can move around the EVE map within hours and be ready to fight on several fronts within a short period of time. ASCN for example has got outposts dotted all over its territory, which will provide forward supply depots for BoB as they advance. No.. this scorched earth policy is a pipe dream. Entities who believe it will save them from a dedicated logistically capable entity, are clutching at straws. You still need to engage and defeat your enemy at some point.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:12:00 - [138] Originally by: Mauxir With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. That's not scorched earth mate, that's just interdiction. Scorched earth would be ASCN self destructing their outposts before we could capture them.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:26:00 - [139] Originally by: Omeega imho molle, our threads look cooler :) Signed. - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:36:00 - [140] Nice post... PS. Really just wanted to show off the new alliance-ticker ____________ The Priory Killboard
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:40:00 - [141] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mauxir With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. That's not scorched earth mate, that's just interdiction. Scorched earth would be ASCN self destructing their outposts before we could capture them. I stand corrected.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:47:00 - [142] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Elve Sorrow ...but gave them to Reikoku at the time. Oh, the favours I performed :p Though I think you guys took NOL and helped us take 5-6, iirc mo- remained / returned to being an FA station a number of times before we finally held it down. Im not 100% sure on how exactly things happened, were talking nearly 2 years ago here. I fondly remember shooting the bloody stations though, then have people whining about you taxing us and how we shouldnt have given away the station. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:52:00 - [143] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Elve Sorrow ...but gave them to Reikoku at the time. Oh, the favours I performed :p Though I think you guys took NOL and helped us take 5-6, iirc mo- remained / returned to being an FA station a number of times before we finally held it down. Im not 100% sure on how exactly things happened, were talking nearly 2 years ago here. I fondly remember shooting the bloody stations though, then have people whining about you taxing us and how we shouldnt have given away the station. I've never ever in my life ever taxed a friend or sold them an overpriced shuttle... . . . honest.
Kariss Gallente Midnight Cartel	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:57:00 - [144] Doesn't matter how eloquently you word it Molle, it's still a pile of arrogant drivel.
TheDeathStar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:07:00 - [145] Originally by: Remmington Daniels Originally by: BurnYaBad And the bob drival begins once more, Let's play a game of bob posting. I'd say its 20 to 1 the bob to ascn replies, let's then look at the number of members in each alliance, wow Sir Fool has you guys busy on both fronts. Stop talking on here High command said so. Because your making yourselves look like idiots. Wait you are... they can't be bigger idiots then the dice corp
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:26:00 - [146] Originally by: Kaemper propaganda ftl... Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Kaemper Gallente Itchy logistics	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:36:00 - [147] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kaemper propaganda ftl... Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. tbqh i have absolutely no idea of whats going on down there... however as most regular forum readers (ye we r all bored at work it seems), i do know that most of what BoB puts on the forums (alts or mains) is to be considered half lies hidden i bent truths.. so pardon me if i dont believe a word you are saying - you kinda brought that upon yourselves...
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:37:00 - [148] How I have missed the forums..... - Ferocious FeAr > bob are****got pussies
Dragutinovic Caldari Storm Thesis	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:40:00 - [149] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Dawn Princess All I know is, every single fleet battle I have been in against BoB has ended the same way (including tonights) - in a node crash with very fast BoB relog (no i am not saying you are causing the crashes or haxxing or anything I am just saying every single time you log back in quicker than we do for whatever reason) and me unable to log back in for the night. I just wish we could either (i) get CCP to fix it so that following node crash people log back in to a random SS to avoid all the relog gankage so we could get on with the game, or (ii) we could agree a ceasefire following a node crash so that people can log back in and we can try to get some fun without people trying to score cheap ganks - or is this not a game? It's amazing how many times this has come up since the start of this war. The reality of the situation is that BoB logs in faster because we're not worried about being ganked at a gate. We know that at the same time we click our avatar on the opening screen, the rest of BoB are doing exactly the same thing. The fact is that you have pilots waiting that extra 30 seconds, just so that they aren't first in. You have pilots waiting to hear on TS if there is a bob fleet already on the gate. To the point where in a number of recent fights, ASCN has refused to log on at all. As long as you can't trust everyone to login asap, you will never come out of that scenario on top. Thats indeed a reason why you might think BoB is not playing fair . Ive seen it happening way back within PA . _____________ Im back !
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:41:00 - [150] Originally by: Kaemper Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kaemper propaganda ftl... Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. tbqh i have absolutely no idea of whats going on down there... however as most regular forum readers (ye we r all bored at work it seems), i do know that most of what BoB puts on the forums (alts or mains) is to be considered half lies hidden i bent truths.. so pardon me if i dont believe a word you are saying - you kinda brought that upon yourselves... And upon what evidence did you draw that conclusion ? Please point to me where we have ever lied or not stated facts.

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