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SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:14:00 - [1] Much has been said of this war. Much has been said of what BoB are, what BoB does, what BoB doesn't. The sins attributed to BoB, they say, are beyond all doubt. The best strategies are often the simplest. When Band of Brothers announced it was going to war without stating details, there was much speculation and assumption made on all sides; often at the neglect of logic. In a great effort to make well on their motto, ASCN leadership employed the tools of hate and fear - crying of every foul in the book. And in the process of demonizing us theyÆve also supplied two fundamental parameters to our mighty war machine: Who? Why? In attacking ASCN, we fully expected to pay a dear price. An irresistible force versus an immovable object, perhaps. It is with great distaste that we found the first reaction of ASCN to our assault was immediate and unseemly panic. If there is anything apparent in this war so far, it is that ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance. Upon the reptilian wings of this fear fly the spectres that are so vivid, that there often is no recourse but to deny reality and cling to illusions. It is the slow march of madness that follows next. A madness that strikes out at phantoms in all directions, mistaking them for manifestations of the fear in their minds. Yet the very source of the darkness lies clearly in front of them. They are just unwilling to face it. Fear is the mind killer. GQ2 and H8-ZTO are ours now. They are the price you pay for believing that dividing a disorganized force and carrying out attacks with no purpose is a superior strategy to dealing with the inadequacies of your fleet. The division of your forces has only served to our benefit, as your various groups will then enjoy a mix of inconsequential victories and horrendous losses. Being goverened by the fear of taking responsibility for a focused effort, your High Command has chosen instead to cleave deep gashes in your ranks. Who is to blame now for the loss of GQ2 and H8-ZTO? Who shall take responsibility? You have lost Paragon Soul. The name itself symbolic in that BoB is now as a paragon of the soul of war, fighting a leviathan that has no spirit. BoB does not trifle with unfocused attacks, we go straight for the throat. On the other hand ASCN has only made enemies of alliances that were not even part of this conflict. The month long fray which saw the destruction of one thousand battleships, more than a dozen capitals, and over one hundred billion ISK worth of enemy assets is a drop in the ocean. Its greatest casualty was our expectation. Under threat of invasion, Ascendant Frontier would sooner chase phantom threats than face it head on. Marked by degrading fleet performance, would rather hire mercenaries than properly equip its own. Unable to unite on home turf, would choose sentenced death on the enemyÆs to save face. Unable to admit defeat, would continue to write fiction for excusing it. The great sorrow in this war is that there are numerous members in ASCN that have shown the spirit to fight, yet are left hanging without support. The losses are not out of a lack of valor on the part of those in the front lines, but the lack of sensibility in those that give directions. Yet those alone are not harmful. What is harmful is that those deficiencies are coupled with a fear of accepting the need for improvement, fear for accepting the bewilderment of strategy, fear for being found wanting. Your warriors are ill served, and they fall vainly on the field of battle. Stop pretending to hit us, and hit us. For if you do not, then may the gods of EVE help you, because we have not yet begun to fight. We shall give you better reasons to see us as demons. The Pendulum is still swinging.
Calderio Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:18:00 - [2] I would like to thank SirMolle and all the other BOB ceo's for this war. Without it I would probally end up curled in a hobbit hole somewere, sleeping in old newspapers with a bottle of MD 20/20 tucked under a sleeve. Much love Calderio Listen to me on bob radio 00:00 eve time every friday and saturday http://stream1.bobonair.com:8000/listen-broadband.aac.m3u or go to www.bobonair.com
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:22:00 - [3] lol, nice read. ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:22:00 - [4] Edited by: Murukan on 29/10/2006 12:23:04 You guys will probably whup ascn but in the end do you really want to spend the resources to hold it? I have to say i appreciate what you guys are doing for the fact that the eve nap bs needs to be shaken up. Hit the north next those nap monkeys need a beating. Oh and i just realized first page on a molle post! In rust we trust!!!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:22:00 - [5] If you cut through the pretentious rhetoric and almost cringe-worthy metaphors, thats actually quite a decent post. Nice work, BoB
Malkia Warrior Nation United	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:25:00 - [6] Quite an interesting point of view. I love it. Now to see where this war takes Eve as a whole... ~Malkia
Zadren Radek Gallente Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:29:00 - [7] So what is it you are actually trying to convey with this rather long-winded diatribe, Molle? That the alliance is shaking in its boots, too afraid to fight the 'Demon Hordes' of Bobbits assaulting its borders? Paralysed by fear and mesmerised by its own impending demise? Ok then. I'll just finish up here reading the egotistical ramblings of Eve's biggest drama queen and continue to hide in the corner.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:30:00 - [8] Pendulum, pendulum! Nice post, Molle... the only question is what happens next. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Report Amarr The New Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:31:00 - [9] Edited by: Report on 29/10/2006 12:32:08 Gratz on taking advantage of ASCNs misguided holiday to Fountain to try and boost morale, everything i've seen so far puts ASCN in a very bad light from the attack on Xelas, the mercs, attacks on Fix, pos spamming and basically kamikazi tactics. I'm not a part of the war but i damn wish my char was older and i could be lol. Hope your momentum continues. PS: Do bob plan to hold all of ASCNs regions or will they be sold off/rented to alliances :P lol
HC MasiEEE V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:33:00 - [10] Good luck in the south, curious what will happen next ________________________ HC MasiEEE - V I R I I
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Zadren Radek So what is it you are actually trying to convey with this rather long-winded diatribe, Molle? That the alliance is shaking in its boots, too afraid to fight the 'Demon Hordes' of Bobbits assaulting its borders? Paralysed by fear and mesmerised by its own impending demise? Ok then. I'll just finish up here reading the egotistical ramblings of Eve's biggest drama queen and continue to hide in the corner. So you don't like his post ?
Michuh Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:36:00 - [12] I admire BOB's propaganda machine.. you have some very clever and capable people in your Alliance.. Maelstrom Recruitment
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:36:00 - [13] 8 paragraphs and 500 words to say, "We gonna f*ck you up" You can't get this kind of forum drama on Everquest, this is like watching Dr Phil in space. /respect
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:39:00 - [14] Fountain is in the third round, and things are going downhill for the efforts of ASCN/Celes - The aussie power which resides in xelas has been cleaning house and all i can say is; the universe presents us with new and more challenging foes with every day - why must we always strive to make new ones - eh? Why ascn, why'd you drag xelas into a war we didn't care about.
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:39:00 - [15] Claiming 2 stations in 2 days is hardly propoganda my friend.... Great post Molle.... Go US !!! - Ferocious FeAr > bob are****got pussies
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:47:00 - [16] Nice read, go BoB! --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
DUFFMANX Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:52:00 - [17] Wow im very impressed that Bob can match the industrial power or ASCN so effectively. Is this a road to destruction for ASCN wit there "attacks with no purpose" or can they pull something outta the bag, and how willing are they to put everything on the line against Bob. Originally by: dimensionZ The biggest threat we ever had was xirtam mining plagioclase in aridia ...
Shigsy Caldari Four Horsemen	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:58:00 - [18] Nice post.
m0jo Fellow Space Traveller Association	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Zadren Radek So what is it you are actually trying to convey with this rather long-winded diatribe, Molle? That the alliance is shaking in its boots, too afraid to fight the 'Demon Hordes' of Bobbits assaulting its borders? Paralysed by fear and mesmerised by its own impending demise? Ok then. I'll just finish up here reading the egotistical ramblings of Eve's biggest drama queen and continue to hide in the corner. Greatest response to a Molle thread ever.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Cipher7 8 paragraphs and 500 words to say, "We gonna f*ck you up" While you're an alt and your post will be deleted, this is an interesting idea. AAA says "Time to die." Molle says "blahblahblahblahblahblahblahpwnagepwnagepwnagewewillkillyou." Its one damn talkative pendulum! -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:08:00 - [21] Nice post. To be honest ASCN should be ashamed. How one entity can screw up so magnificently and so consistently continues to amaze me. You have almost 5k people in the alliance, it is almost beyond belief that you can fold so quickly. And for the record, I'm pretty neutral in this. And I'm enjoying the show.
Kastar Chronodynamics	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:17:00 - [22] I so like this.. we have two things here: - from a RolePlaying perspective bob is a remendous asset to EVE. The drama in most posts deploys an awesome background. - Human nature can't always cope with this, some people will always take it beyond what this is... a game, and take it personal, too seriously ... whatever. Respect to all people who do what they're doing. They play the game as they want to and develop the means (or adapt) to do it. No one else can do what they currently do... I'm curious as to what the answer is to this. Not the verbal one, ingame please. All of this coupled with SATAN's post makes for an awesome background. As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. -----------------------------------------------
Roule Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:17:00 - [23] Well TBH you aint impressing us till the avatar dies when i see that fraps i may beleive your uberness until then i guess the propaganda will flow My Videos
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Pestillence Nice post. To be honest ASCN should be ashamed. How one entity can screw up so magnificently and so consistently continues to amaze me. You have almost 5k people in the alliance, it is almost beyond belief that you can fold so quickly. And for the record, I'm pretty neutral in this. And I'm enjoying the show. Yeah, its pretty incredible really, isnt it. It seems to be down to a lack of good fleet leadership, and no solid objectives by ASCN. They have the numbers, ships, industrial power, and enough players with enough skillpoints to decisively defeat BoB. What they lack is the same cohesion, experience, fleet commanders, and judgement.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit should go where credit is due. Thank you Rebellion for putting my thoughts into words.
Aizhan Ushrakhan The Sword and The Shield	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:25:00 - [26] A very well-written post ..unfortunately like most posts involving ascn/axe and other coalition members (V and LV) on this forum it will degenerate into flaming once more (you cheaters, you logoffski, you logonski, we are honourable u r not..etc). So before that happens, let me startfirst. To the coalition: You are losing on all fronts..RA and allies are whipping you in Scalding Pass (not to mention one of your members have already 'given up' GW, 3 of your former allies have gone, one you decided to kill) BoB is killing en masse in PS, -A- is gunning your twin in Impass and STILL you hide behind CCP so-called inactions ..adapt or die. I wonder if it is just because you CANT fight well and you are blaming everyone who are not your friends (ever shrinking) and dying everywhere. For example,logically, if a superior fleet with superior numbers meet a logon trap prepared by a smaller number of ships. you should be able to meet the threat and you are telling everyone how with a logon trap is an 'I-Win' button? So please to the coalition, please grow some and stop whining on forums. You underestimate your enemies and The Coalition will pay a final price. The arrogance (and self-proclaimed 'we are good guys") you have shown in the EVE world especially from ASCN and LV is incredible and I hope that BoB's pendulum as well as RA fists ends up (wayy up) your bums.
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:42:00 - [27] I quite like Paragon Soul.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar Black Reign Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:47:00 - [28] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 29/10/2006 13:52:44 Originally by: Zadren Radek So what is it you are actually trying to convey with this rather long-winded diatribe, Molle? That the alliance is shaking in its boots, too afraid to fight the 'Demon Hordes' of Bobbits assaulting its borders? Paralysed by fear and mesmerised by its own impending demise? Ok then. I'll just finish up here reading the egotistical ramblings of Eve's biggest drama queen and continue to hide in the corner. I think that is exactly what he is saying....Allthough not a BoB fan...I think ASCN, bit of more than they can chew. History has shown us in EVE, Every big industry based alliance will fall...if confronted by a well oiled war machine.. CFS did, Xetic did..so its in your corner to prove that its not so..go fight...
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:49:00 - [29] Good post, slap dem hoes Havocide - DirtyHarry
olyyy Gallente V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:49:00 - [30] Irony... Irony... ASCN reminds me of an alliance So much efforts to come to this... I really enjoy the irony I just miss one thing to complete this irony of fate: ASCN worse enemies saving its ass. Yeah, that would really be the top Men never lie more than before elections, during war and after hunting.
Soulis Slacker Industries	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:51:00 - [31] whoooooooooo nice read.
Kenichi Baltic StarFleet Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:00:00 - [32] WTB Cyvok's avatar I think in the near future he will not require it
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Zadren Radek So what is it you are actually trying to convey with this rather long-winded diatribe, Molle? That the alliance is shaking in its boots, too afraid to fight the 'Demon Hordes' of Bobbits assaulting its borders? Paralysed by fear and mesmerised by its own impending demise? Ok then. I'll just finish up here reading the egotistical ramblings of Eve's biggest drama queen and continue to hide in the corner. hes saying: get your heads outta your ass, wake up your leadership and start to properly defend your home instead or carrying out silly little attacks in fountain etc. Euro 0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
Report Amarr The New Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Kenichi WTB Cyvok's avatar I think in the near future he will not require it Does he require it now? As far as I've heard he has only used it to kill his own members
Tricit Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:17:00 - [35] Edited by: Tricit on 29/10/2006 14:18:19 At first I just thought BoB was a bunch of *******s. "Oh BoB does this... BoB takes that!" and stuff like, "Oh BoB eats babies and sins!" is what I hear. Well, maybe the second one is an exaggeration, but you get the picture. However, now I see BoB is just a big fun organization that weeds out the Durrrr' and, "dee dee dee," as Carlos Mencia puts it. Okay, so there are good players in ASCN, so??? go join BoB >;-D. Anyways, I will step out of this, but I will say one more thing: BoB... I was in Fountain during my duration in Demon Womb. you will need a lot of luck in Fountain. No offense intended.
Celero Incendium Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:20:00 - [36] I suppose saying "We now control GQ2 and H8-ZTO while you waste your time in Fountain" was too simple and not enough of an attack at ASCN morale, eh? Instead we had to find it buried in paragraph 9 of a 15 paragraph psychological attack. Grats to you BoB for taking it to ASCN in ASCN space. --ci
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Zadren Radek So what is it you are actually trying to convey with this rather long-winded diatribe, Molle? That the alliance is shaking in its boots, too afraid to fight the 'Demon Hordes' of Bobbits assaulting its borders? Paralysed by fear and mesmerised by its own impending demise? Ok then. I'll just finish up here reading the egotistical ramblings of Eve's biggest drama queen and continue to hide in the corner. The point he is trying to get across is that attacking our allies and running our 6/10 complexes in delve (lol, has actually happened) will not win you this war. We arent in Delve, we arent in fountain. We are knocking on your front door with a battering ram. You need to smarten up and do something if you want any space at all... P.S. I find it very funny that while BoB is in paragon soul killing your alliance mates you find the time to run a complex in delve. Says something about how many BoB are in delve atm and what impact you have on the war while sitting there Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Blooded Heromy Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Tricit Edited by: Tricit on 29/10/2006 14:18:19 At first I just thought BoB was a bunch of *******s. "Oh BoB does this... BoB takes that!" and stuff like, "Oh BoB eats babies and sins!" is what I hear. Well, maybe the second one is an exaggeration, but you get the picture. However, now I see BoB is just a big fun organization that weeds out the Durrrr' and, "dee dee dee," as Carlos Mencia puts it. Okay, so there are good players in ASCN, so??? go join BoB >;-D. Anyways, I will step out of this, but I will say one more thing: BoB... I was in Fountain during my duration in Demon Womb. you will need a lot of luck in Fountain. No offense intended. Eve and luck has nothing to do with each other, if you trust in luck in eve then your realy screwed, maby thats where Ascn are misunderstanding things, dont know. Great post and good read, at least it did do more for me than the front page of the mornin paper (and its sunday news :l ) Fgt is someone that is betwean the 2 holes, he cant figure what he like more.
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:29:00 - [39] God damn deja vu..this aint 2005 is it? Undercover Brothers It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Aizhan Ushrakhan A very well-written post ..unfortunately like most posts involving ascn/axe and other coalition members (V and LV) on this forum it will degenerate into flaming once more (you cheaters, you logoffski, you logonski, we are honourable u r not..etc). So before that happens, let me startfirst. To the coalition: You are losing on all fronts..RA and allies are whipping you in Scalding Pass (not to mention one of your members have already 'given up' GW, 3 of your former allies have gone, one you decided to kill) BoB is killing en masse in PS, -A- is gunning your twin in Impass and STILL you hide behind CCP so-called inactions ..adapt or die. I wonder if it is just because you CANT fight well and you are blaming everyone who are not your friends (ever shrinking) and dying everywhere. For example,logically, if a superior fleet with superior numbers meet a logon trap prepared by a smaller number of ships. you should be able to meet the threat and you are telling everyone how with a logon trap is an 'I-Win' button? So please to the coalition, please grow some and stop whining on forums. You underestimate your enemies and The Coalition will pay a final price. The arrogance (and self-proclaimed 'we are good guys") you have shown in the EVE world especially from ASCN and LV is incredible and I hope that BoB's pendulum as well as RA fists ends up (wayy up) your bums. What does your post have to do with this thread? Yes, somebody needs a perception +5 implant, that's all. Anyway, good luck and I wish ASCN that there members are not too impressed by this and just go on and do the best to defend their stuff.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:36:00 - [41] Edited by: Seleene on 29/10/2006 14:37:09 Not a flame, just an opinion - spin away, but you dont't fight a war the way ASCN is and survive. It's really too bad that Cyvok is MIA. Perhaps he could have helped hold things together better. ASCN may not be dead, but unless something changes very quickly... I wonder how long it will be before ASCN splinters into three or four smaller alliances, each trying to lay claim to different parts of their territory. Good luck to both sides anyway. It keeps things interesting! - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Raoul Endymion Gallente x13	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:38:00 - [42] ASCN will be wiped off the map in a couple of weeks/months i think :/
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Raoul Endymion ASCN will be wiped off the map in a couple of weeks/months i think :/ if they can't defend themselfs from 1 opposer then I don't think they deserve to exist. However BoB aren't exactly the easiest opponents. Euro Empire/0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:42:00 - [44] Another forum/propaganda masterpiece from molle, I love reading your posts it brings a different and exciting side to eve. Its a shame there arent more like you. While Galavet has a similar ability its a shame blacklight is always too drunk to take lessons Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Zardock Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:48:00 - [45] Xetic must die.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:50:00 - [46] Cyvok's gone and pulled a torn soul.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Kaeten if they can't defend themselfs from 1 opposer then I don't think they deserve to exist. However BoB aren't exactly the easiest opponents. Most alliances in eve, especially small and medium ones cant really defend themself if BoB wanted to wipe them out. Does that mean they dont deserve to exist? ------------------ Save Tranquility!
NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:53:00 - [48] Edited by: NeoTech on 29/10/2006 14:53:36
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:56:00 - [49] GJ bob... you as always OWN.. now kick some ascn for meh.. only a few left in fountain, and they hide in poses when celest isent around. :( I will make your wife/mann a widow.
McGin Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:06:00 - [50] nice read as always only if they had things this intresting in english at school __________________
NTRabbit Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:14:00 - [51] Originally by: The Empire of Grief <KomradeVirtunov> That post gets a 10/10 <&NTRabbit> i dunno <&NTRabbit> post feels too try-hardish <&NTRabbit> too forced <~Stavros> agree <~Stavros> it would be more at home in WOW than in eve <~Stavros> too many stupid metaphors/similies <&NTRabbit> yeah <~Stavros> You have lost Paragon Soul. The name itself symbolic in that BoB is now as a paragon of the soul of war, <~Stavros> *** <&NTRabbit> rhetoric is useful, but only if its intelligible The Empire of Grief has spoken --------
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:16:00 - [52] Originally by: Kenichi WTB Cyvok's avatar I think in the near future he will not require it He won't sell. It's his corp's ticket into Xetic III. Once ASCN is so weak/nonexistant that they can't do **** about him making off with it. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:20:00 - [53] Nice read. Very well constructed piece of fiction.
ElCoCo KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:22:00 - [54] So where's that Cyvok bloke? What's the excuse of being awol for so long?
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:22:00 - [55] Edited by: Oratu on 29/10/2006 15:23:51 Edited by: Oratu on 29/10/2006 15:22:48 DISCLAIMER: What i say is my own opinion and is not endorsed by my alliance/corp. first off, rather good post, could have done with less dramatic overtones but other than that, i found a lot of what was said to be fair and true. (with regards to battle tactics thus far) yeah i think i will leave my comments at that.. Goodluck to all, se ya's on the front :) regards
reaTh Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:31:00 - [56] Originally by: Moghydin Nice read. Very well constructed piece of fiction. Clearly you have been reading to many of Cyvok's and Madeye Mcready's "Morale" blogs. This is not fiction this is fact we own your station's next its your move what are you going to do? ______________________________________________ Current RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
Bonafyde The Legion.	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:34:00 - [57] Edited by: Bonafyde on 29/10/2006 15:34:51 Originally by: Moghydin Nice read. Very well constructed piece of fiction. /flaskback2003 "There are no US troops in Iraq." Well played BoB, glad to see the opportunity wasnt wasted :D edit removed double quote.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:38:00 - [58] Spin, no spin. Propaganda or not. Everytime I see a SirMolle post I make time to read it, because most of them are awesome to read. Thanks for giving me something fun to read after I woke up on sunday. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:40:00 - [59] Originally by: reaTh Originally by: Moghydin Nice read. Very well constructed piece of fiction. Clearly you have been reading to many of Cyvok's and Madeye Mcready's "Morale" blogs. This is not fiction this is fact we own your station's next its your move what are you going to do? Fiction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction Many points in the post are imaginary (based on observations of the poster and his predictions), hence - fiction .Some, though, are facts, not arguing about that. Extarct from Wikipedia: "A large part of the appeal of fiction is its ability to evoke the entire spectrum of human emotions." It was a large part of the post too - another match.
Hellcore Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Ian Novarider >>>that ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts >>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH snicker* ROTF LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Have fun - we do Ian . Where was your station defence then? Where are the capital ships taking out our POS in your territory? Where are your fleets when we blockade your systems? Let me see, they were either: a) Huddled in a POS in Paragon doing nothing. b) Huddled in Delve, doing complexes and generally being ineffective. c) Huddled in Fountain, attacking a third party OP under the lead of CELES. d) Pirating in Empire. Yet you would all rather scream in blind faith that we are not taking your home away from you. While you do that I'll be claiming the marked-down escrows in GQ2 and H8-, for certain we have plenty of time to do so while you tell your camp stories inside those force fields and stations.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: reaTh Originally by: Moghydin Nice read. Very well constructed piece of fiction. Clearly you have been reading to many of Cyvok's and Madeye Mcready's "Morale" blogs. This is not fiction this is fact we own your station's next its your move what are you going to do? Fiction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction Many points in the post are imaginary (based on observations of the poster and his predictions), hence - fiction .Some, though, are facts, not arguing about that. Extarct from Wikipedia: "A large part of the appeal of fiction is its ability to evoke the entire spectrum of human emotions." It was a large part of the post too - another match. Care to actually comment on which parts are fictional?
Nebuchadnezzar I Grettistak Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:50:00 - [62] Nice post. Now "IF" ASCN keeps it up then surely they will perish - but what then? What is left to "on paper" keep bob from world domination? And where will BOB find targets that their warmachine cannot crush if the biggest and wealthiest alliance crumbles this easily? Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction.
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:53:00 - [63] Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Nice post. Now "IF" ASCN keeps it up then surely they will perish - but what then? What is left to "on paper" keep bob from world domination? And where will BOB find targets that their warmachine cannot crush if the biggest and wealthiest alliance crumbles this easily? Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction. There are always challenges m8, often the greatest opposition comes from the least likely targets. Listen to BoB Radio!! WELCOME BACK MGRL
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:53:00 - [64] Originally by: olyyy Irony... Irony... ASCN reminds me of an alliance So much efforts to come to this... I really enjoy the irony I just miss one thing to complete this irony of fate: ASCN worse enemies saving its ass. Yeah, that would really be the top You are missing a small detail my friend. First, some corps in ASCN have to form/join a new alliance, say the bulk of ASCN corps don't pull their weight and set them to negative standings, before finally making a separate peace with BoB Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit should go where credit is due. Thank you Rebellion for putting my thoughts into words. Am i the only one who saw this? illiterate Nevertheless it's an interesting post and a good read, even if a bit heavy on the metaphor side of things. Most of all, if it goes the way such threads usually do, it will ease the pain of working on a sunday afternoon while my alliance mates are fighting. Keep fighting this war both sides, interesting stuff is happening again (oh, and you evol dudes sent my greetings to Etherios if you see him online)
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar Black Reign Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:54:00 - [65] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 29/10/2006 15:55:24 Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Nice post. Now "IF" ASCN keeps it up then surely they will perish - but what then? What is left to "on paper" keep bob from world domination? And where will BOB find targets that their warmachine cannot crush if the biggest and wealthiest alliance crumbles this easily? Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction. ASCN would never be the ones to be on par with BoB..they are not a warmachine...but they are good at what they usyally do making tons of isk...theres a difference But not being a Bob fan..go ASCN...fight for it prove us wrong
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:07:00 - [66] Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 29/10/2006 16:07:35 Originally by: ElCoCo So where's that Cyvok bloke? What's the excuse of being awol for so long? Pulling a Torn Soul (cough broken router as FA fell cough) This way he can blame others as/when his empire falls to pieces.
Zasra Crown Royal Mining Corp	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:08:00 - [67] Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction. No, your right, it's over for them. They only have a small handful of people even willing to fight anymore, as futile as it is.
SmEdD Amarr Nocturnal Soldiers	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:14:00 - [68] Very good read and ASCN just for a tip to try and save yourselfs, the red dot on the map below should be the front lines with BoB not in an Xelas system playing outpost ping pong. Where ASCN went wrong
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:17:00 - [69] we're terrified, truely we are -xian
Lucus Ranger Gallente 23rd Rifles	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:28:00 - [70] Nice read.. ASCN really needs to sort themselves out otherwise they will loose their stations one by one..
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:30:00 - [71] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 29/10/2006 16:33:36 Actually, I've been trying to think of WHY ASCN is failing so badly against BoB. I know all the usual explanations, more PVP experience, more SP, better equipment etc., plus of cause all the 'BoB are GM's', Haxors, etc., but when closely examined they don't really hold up. ASCN should with 5000 members be able to beat BoB's 1600 members! Personally, I think the main difference is in the attitude and goals of the leadership of the 2 alliances. ASCN's leadership seem to think (please note that I have only their leaked blog's and morale speeches to go from) that they're great leaders, forging a mighty empire. BoB's leadership realise this is only a game, and are striving to give it's members the best gaming experience they can. In a way it can be said that ASCN was created as an empire for it's own sake, while BoB just happened as a way to structure the game experience for it's members. If you think about things in this way, it is quite easy to see why ASCN is failing. BoB pilots know that our 'leaders' are trying to give us the most fun game experience they can. That is why when we loose a ship, there is little whining, and soon the player is back in another ship. This ship will often be better fitted than the one lost since the player has learned a bit more since he fitted his last ship. An active ASCN player though, is being used to further the ambitions of ASCN and their leaders. He is loosing his ships, not for the reason of having fun in the game, but because someone else think they're forging an empire. After a few losses, he'll come back in smaller ships, and after a while, he'll not come back at all. I think this all sums it up pretty well (if a bit rambling). In a way you can say that the accusations against the BoB leaders that they're GM's are actually true. Not GM's in the EVE sense of.c., but GM's in the AD&D Game-Master way. They're not 'empire leaders', but they structure the gameplay for hundreds of players so they all have the maximum enjoyment from their subscription money. ASCN's leadership seems to think that that they ARE 'empire leaders', and that is why ASCN lost this war before it even started. --- On a completely different subject... Regarding the last couple of days fighting in GQ2 and H8-. Compliments to the ASCN pilots that showed up. You did ok with what you had, but really, climb out of those frigates and get into some BS (or cruisers at least). They're not that expensive. Also, realise that fighterbombing is a loosing tactic. It'll kill a ship here and there, but it'll never hinder us doing what we want. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Galimiy Portret Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:44:00 - [72] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 29/10/2006 16:33:36 Not GM's in the EVE sense of.c., but GM's in the AD&D Game-Master way. Darn! I just knew it all the time that all those roleplayers are ebil.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:45:00 - [73] Well, up until these last couple of days, I though ASCN might have a snowflakes chance in hell. After the loss of two systems, and no hint of an organized response to attempt to recapture, I must say they are going to start falling fast. As each station falls, the pilots and corps that base there will lose considerable assets, and be forced to either adapt or leave. Not knowing the fate of the remaining stations isn't going to give them much incentive to reform in another system. Props to BoB. You've become the largest ISK sink in EvE. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Cyvok's gone and pulled a torn soul. I'm sorry, this made me lol Euro Empire/0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
Mace Ardguy Dark Wheel	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:52:00 - [75] Edited by: Mace Ardguy on 29/10/2006 16:54:32 Looking at both ASCN and BoB's killboards right now (16:45hrs) 14 ASCN BSes and 7 BoB BSes dead, mostly in GQ2S. In a similar time of day 1month ago I remember BoB had a 10:1 ratio when they were trying to take GQ2S. From 10:1 ratio to 2:1 ratio in 4weeks... ... and from the rate of kills showing up, looks like ASCN is taking the fight back to Uncle BoB. Thing is, can BoB improve faster than ASCN? What does the next month hold? I have a few mates in ASCN for inside gossip and a lot of popcorn to watch this unfold :) Good luck to all involved :)
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:56:00 - [76] Originally by: Mace Ardguy Looking at both ASCN and BoB's killboards right now (16:45hrs) 14 ASCN BSes and 7 BoB BSes dead, mostly in GQ2S. In a similar time of day 1month ago I remember BoB had a 10:1 ratio when they were trying to take GQ2S. From 10:1 ratio to 2:1 ratio in 4weeks... ... and from the rate of kills showing up, looks like ASCN is taking the fight back to Uncle BoB. Thing is, can BoB improve faster than ASCN? What does the next month hold? I have a few mates in ASCN for inside gossip and a lot of popcorn to watch this unfold :) Good luck to all involved :) That is mostly because ASCN are not BRINGING in many BS anymore. They've changed tactics to use cheap frigates and fighters. What you'll not see from the killboard is the masses of fighters killed, each of which cost approx. 20m each. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:59:00 - [77] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 29/10/2006 16:33:36 Actually, I've been trying to think of WHY ASCN is failing so badly against BoB. Dedication, Determination, and Discipline. That's what BoB has over ASCN that is helping them win. --------------
Kaiu Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:59:00 - [78] Originally by: SirMolle Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah AWFUL CLICHE Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Blah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah Blah. Blah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah Blah Another terrible cliche. Blah BlahBlah BlahBlah Blah Dune Quote. Blah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah BlahBlah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah . Interesting stat's Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah . Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah BlahBlah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Matrix Quote. The Pendulum is still swinging. Will BOB be stating your next War Aims? Like you did with GQ ? ____________________ MOGarmy
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Caldess Dedication, Determination, and Discipline. That's what BoB has over ASCN that is helping them win. True, but I was trying to think behind that, why BoB did have those. As said, I think is all falls back on the BoB 'leaders' aiming first of all on giving the best game experience to their members, where the ASCN leaders aim first of all at making ASCN (and themselves) great. What are you willing to 'die' for in a game? Having fun, or furthering the 'glory' of another player? My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Lansfear Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:23:00 - [80] An excillent post and more true than some would think. ASCN have been fruitlessly hunting in Delve for a month attacking so called "BoB Slave" corps when what they realy needed to do was defend their home and attack BoB. In doing so they've dragged in corps that would otherwise have nothing to do with the war and sadly to say have made a few enemies doing so that never would have been enemies.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:30:00 - [81] HELP ME! OH NO!! NOT THE TENTRILS!!! ARGHHH Such a well written piece of smack. Cya on the battlefields. - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Moustache Man	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:31:00 - [82] Edited by: Moustache Man on 29/10/2006 17:31:47 Delete.
Moustache Man	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:32:00 - [83] Edited by: Moustache Man on 29/10/2006 17:32:12 ...
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:38:00 - [84] Originally by: NATMav Props to BoB. You've become the largest ISK sink in EvE. LOL, loved that one. Now the 'bob GMs!' theorysts can claim that BoB is CCP's ISK sink that is much needed for the game ------------------ Save Tranquility!
a1lugsy Caldari Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:02:00 - [85] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Caldess Dedication, Determination, and Discipline. That's what BoB has over ASCN that is helping them win. True, but I was trying to think behind that, why BoB did have those. As said, I think is all falls back on the BoB 'leaders' aiming first of all on giving the best game experience to their members, where the ASCN leaders aim first of all at making ASCN (and themselves) great. What are you willing to 'die' for in a game? Having fun, or furthering the 'glory' of another player? this is sooooo true, i just wanna say, i left ASCN the "largest" alliance in eve with the "best" 0.0 systems to join BoB, and its the best decision i ever made (ingame btw i have a life ). BoB radio, structure, great corp buddies, and great leadership ( let me just wipe this brown stuff of my nose ) the bob experience rocks and there isn't a thing i wouldn't do (ingame) for a member of bob. thats why we rule we're a family .
Nebuchadnezzar I Grettistak Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:08:00 - [86] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 29/10/2006 15:55:24 Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Nice post. Now "IF" ASCN keeps it up then surely they will perish - but what then? What is left to "on paper" keep bob from world domination? And where will BOB find targets that their warmachine cannot crush if the biggest and wealthiest alliance crumbles this easily? Note: Not saying ASCN will crumble, but so far the arrow is pointing in that direction. ASCN would never be the ones to be on par with BoB..they are not a warmachine...but they are good at what they usyally do making tons of isk...theres a difference But not being a Bob fan..go ASCN...fight for it prove us wrong Well, PVP wise probably not, but in "teritorrial wars" i'd still think they ought to be able to do alot more than i've read about, for one thing supposedly having a huge cap fleet? And im not taking any sides at all, im just a bit saddened that BOB seemingly is having a field day currently.
Kastar Chronodynamics	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:29:00 - [87] Edited by: Kastar on 29/10/2006 18:29:09 Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit should go where credit is due. Thank you Rebellion for putting my thoughts into words. Am i the only one who saw this? illiterate hmmm, not intended then, I meant the opposite of that, the positive thing. /me back to english class. Forgive me, I'm dutch -----------------------------------------------
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:34:00 - [88] Beatiful post, tells the story of this war without naming names or numbers. This is exactly how I see this war as well. Grats bob on your new region. ASCN: "free my mind, free my mind, free my mind. whooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Zak Kingsman A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.29 18:46:00 - [89] Originally by: Kastar Edited by: Kastar on 29/10/2006 18:29:09 Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit should go where credit is due. Thank you Rebellion for putting my thoughts into words. Am i the only one who saw this? illiterate hmmm, not intended then, I meant the opposite of that, the positive thing. /me back to english class. Forgive me, I'm dutch Its ok. Literate is the word you were going for and I think most people realized that, and realized that the global aspect of eve means man people using English as a 2nd or worse language.
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:04:00 - [90] Originally by: Tzrailasa BoB's leadership realise this is only a game, and are striving to give it's members the best gaming experience they can. I think most people who aren't mmo players would see what any given EVE player is doing as going beyond "only a game" (whatever that means), and certainly that most 0.0 alliances go beyond what would normally be considered "only a game." But the rest of your point is solid, leaders should be the servants of the people, not the other way around. my thoughts are my own and do not represent the thoughts of my corp
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:05:00 - [91] well played on those southern folk
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:17:00 - [92] I think the logic of ASCN's assaults on Fountain & Delve makes sense on paper. Remove the satailite alliances of BOB with the intention of severing the isk & material supply that they supposedly give. The only problem with this plan is that for it to work, they actually have to do enough damage to BOB for them to need these supplies. Not to mention that it seems after the initial success they had in Fountain its begun to fall apart for them. I must say however that given the appauling losses they have suffered. Im impressed that ASCN have been able to continue the fight, even if they have adopted more isk efficient tactics & ships. After all, why waste 100mill per bs on a sniping fleet battle your bound to lose, when you can use a fleet of expendable ships & at least hope to inflict some damage. It will be interesting to see what ASCN & indeed BOB do next. Personally I hope ASCN end their needless harassment of BOB allies & focus on BOB assets in PS & their bases in PB. BOB i wonder whether theyll move into other ASCN regions or sit back & invite ASCN to rush back into PS where theyll be ground to dust as happened with ASCN's assault on TPAR &...that other system beginning with T .
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:24:00 - [93] ... as long as ASCN fail to win any decisive fleet battles against BoB fleets only the blatantly obvious will happen... You cannot hope to win a war without ever defeating the enemy on the battlefield. Its simply not possible... whichever way you look at it.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:32:00 - [94] Am I the only one to notice that: ASCN Fights they get flamed because they lose. (they are still fighting aren't they?) ASCN tried to bring the fight to BOB (Which nobody else has ever had the balls to do or even try) they get flamed because it didn't work. ASCN plays defensively and doesn't jump in on BOB gate camps they get flamed. ASCN jumps in and tries to break any BOB gate camp they get flamed. In fact I can count on 1 hand the number of times BOB pilots have said "good try" on these boards since this debacle started and I'm sure those BOB members were told to STFU on the boards. It's taken BOB 4 weeks to get paragon soul. Of course they can claim it is their timeline they NEVER claimed any timelines when they started. What other alliance has stood up to BOB's concentrated efforts this long? NONE. So, to all the various and sundry peeps out there tht say they could do so much better. Why don't YOU try eh? Until then anything you say is just so much BS. Props to ASCN for not rolling over and dying. It doesn't matter the number of ships you've lost at least your not pulling a Tribal Souls.
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:32:00 - [95] it's nice to be home
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:43:00 - [96] Hmmm, slowest Molle thread ever? And I agree with Nez's last post.
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:45:00 - [97] Originally by: Slowboat What other alliance has stood up to BOB's concentrated efforts this long? NONE. It only makes sense that they take this long. ASCN is the biggest alliance in the game, with nearly 5000 members. And BoB is having fun...maybe they want to draw it out rather than spill their load all in one go.
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:45:00 - [98] Originally by: Slowboat Am I the only one to notice that: ASCN Fights they get flamed because they lose. (they are still fighting aren't they?) ASCN tried to bring the fight to BOB (Which nobody else has ever had the balls to do or even try) they get flamed because it didn't work. ASCN plays defensively and doesn't jump in on BOB gate camps they get flamed. ASCN jumps in and tries to break any BOB gate camp they get flamed. In fact I can count on 1 hand the number of times BOB pilots have said "good try" on these boards since this debacle started and I'm sure those BOB members were told to STFU on the boards. It's taken BOB 4 weeks to get paragon soul. Of course they can claim it is their timeline they NEVER claimed any timelines when they started. What other alliance has stood up to BOB's concentrated efforts this long? NONE. So, to all the various and sundry peeps out there tht say they could do so much better. Why don't YOU try eh? Until then anything you say is just so much BS. Props to ASCN for not rolling over and dying. It doesn't matter the number of ships you've lost at least your not pulling a Tribal Souls. Yes ASCN alt, you are correct! --------------------
EndersGame Amarr Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:51:00 - [99] Originally by: Slowboat It's taken BOB 4 weeks to get paragon soul. Of course they can claim it is their timeline they NEVER claimed any timelines when they started. What other alliance has stood up to BOB's concentrated efforts this long? NONE. I just love people that come on these boards thinking that they know all of EvE's history and spout things like they are fact. I got 1 word for you that is "FIX" they stood up to 3 months of fighting and look what happened to them??? They for all in tense and purposes won.... FIX were excellent oponents.. they were respectfull.. they enjoyed the good fight! Hell a lot of them will tell you that when they lost there 40 billion EGG that went poof they had FUN! They lost there EGG and you know what there reaction was? "Damn! that was good fun!" after BoB saw that.. after we kept fighting people like FIX.. that were just DAMN COOL.. awesome people! We couldnt shoot them anymore! FIX were the only enemies that we actually formed a shared channel with to shoot the crap.. and congradjulate each other on fights.. and then we formed up to attack the DEV titans when there was an event.. and I remember still to this day after that event was over and the BoB ceo's got together and asked us do we set these guys back to red? And everyone said "No..." we agreed that there were other people in the world of EvE that deserved to die.. and that FIX had fought for there right to be in 0.0 we frankly saw our younger selves in FIX and so in my eyes they WON.... So no! ASCN has not stood up to what FIX did.. hell ASCN has yet to even see all of BoB's forces against them. Another thing the great northern war was longer then 4 weeks.. as arrogant as G and PA were, they put up a long fight as well. So with your comment has any other alliance put up more than 4 weeks of fighting? YES... and 1 of them earned our respect! As to your other comments about why hasnt BoB said good fight etc.. Well your talking about an enemy that petetions us for "blocking" them or for language on local.. the ammount we get petetioned each day for little things is pretty high. Your also talking about a leader that lies to there membership about that status of the war.. and how they are doing. Learn by FIX's example.. at the end of the day we are all people.. we are a Band of Brothers.. and if you treat us with honor we treat you with honor.. At the end of the day EvE is a game.. when people loose sight of it, then you reap what you sowe.
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:06:00 - [100] Originally by: EndersGame Originally by: Slowboat It's taken BOB 4 weeks to get paragon soul. Of course they can claim it is their timeline they NEVER claimed any timelines when they started. What other alliance has stood up to BOB's concentrated efforts this long? NONE. I just love people that come on these boards thinking that they know all of EvE's history and spout things like they are fact. I got 1 word for you that is "FIX" they stood up to 3 months of fighting and look what happened to them??? They for all in tense and purposes won.... FIX were excellent oponents.. they were respectfull.. they enjoyed the good fight! Hell a lot of them will tell you that when they lost there 40 billion EGG that went poof they had FUN! They lost there EGG and you know what there reaction was? "Damn! that was good fun!" after BoB saw that.. after we kept fighting people like FIX.. that were just DAMN COOL.. awesome people! We couldnt shoot them anymore! FIX were the only enemies that we actually formed a shared channel with to shoot the crap.. and congradjulate each other on fights.. and then we formed up to attack the DEV titans when there was an event.. and I remember still to this day after that event was over and the BoB ceo's got together and asked us do we set these guys back to red? And everyone said "No..." we agreed that there were other people in the world of EvE that deserved to die.. and that FIX had fought for there right to be in 0.0 we frankly saw our younger selves in FIX and so in my eyes they WON.... So no! ASCN has not stood up to what FIX did.. hell ASCN has yet to even see all of BoB's forces against them. Another thing the great northern war was longer then 4 weeks.. as arrogant as G and PA were, they put up a long fight as well. So with your comment has any other alliance put up more than 4 weeks of fighting? YES... and 1 of them earned our respect! As to your other comments about why hasnt BoB said good fight etc.. Well your talking about an enemy that petetions us for "blocking" them or for language on local.. the ammount we get petetioned each day for little things is pretty high. Your also talking about a leader that lies to there membership about that status of the war.. and how they are doing. Learn by FIX's example.. at the end of the day we are all people.. we are a Band of Brothers.. and if you treat us with honor we treat you with honor.. At the end of the day EvE is a game.. when people loose sight of it, then you reap what you sowe. /Signed
Report Amarr The New Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:07:00 - [101] Probably a good time for ASCN to sell that titan and hire MC... lol Just out of interest are BOB officially at ware with AXE too and will they be taking the strip bar?
Tasha Feza'Cuiri Caldarians Pride THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:07:00 - [102] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche I think the logic of ASCN's assaults on Fountain & Delve makes sense on paper. Remove the satailite alliances of BOB with the intention of severing the isk & material supply that they supposedly give.... When will people learn that neither Horde, nor Xelas pay for living in Fountain? The only ISK we pay to BoB is by using their outposts. They even buy ships from us when they fight in Fountain. And for the rest of time... you really think BoB would need the support of us? ;) Think about that... attacking Fountain lead to nothing especially with attacking a Xs outpost and not even a BoB outpost. The other way round: why should BoB not be able to send defense without weakening their lines if ASCN would be able to send an attackforce without weakening their's? Keep the fight going ppl, I really like reading forums each day about what's going on. Respect to everyone involved to the battles in PS. Do not call up what you cannot put down. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates
TheDeathStar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:11:00 - [103] Edited by: TheDeathStar on 29/10/2006 20:14:23 Ah SirMolle do you believe this crap you posted yourselve? Have you taken all stations in paragorn Soul? Awnser = no move along pls and come back when you really have some news.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:21:00 - [104] Edited by: Slowboat on 29/10/2006 20:23:44 Originally by: EndersGame I just love people that come on these boards thinking that they know all of EvE's history and spout things like they are fact. I got 1 word for you that is "FIX" they stood up to 3 months of fighting and look what happened to them??? They for all in tense and purposes won.... FIX were excellent oponents.. they were respectfull.. they enjoyed the good fight! Hell a lot of them will tell you that when they lost there 40 billion EGG that went poof they had FUN! They lost there EGG and you know what there reaction was? "Damn! that was good fun!" after BoB saw that.. after we kept fighting people like FIX.. that were just DAMN COOL.. awesome people! We couldnt shoot them anymore! FIX were the only enemies that we actually formed a shared channel with to shoot the crap.. and congradjulate each other on fights.. and then we formed up to attack the DEV titans when there was an event.. and I remember still to this day after that event was over and the BoB ceo's got together and asked us do we set these guys back to red? And everyone said "No..." we agreed that there were other people in the world of EvE that deserved to die.. and that FIX had fought for there right to be in 0.0 we frankly saw our younger selves in FIX and so in my eyes they WON.... So no! ASCN has not stood up to what FIX did.. hell ASCN has yet to even see all of BoB's forces against them. Another thing the great northern war was longer then 4 weeks.. as arrogant as G and PA were, they put up a long fight as well. So with your comment has any other alliance put up more than 4 weeks of fighting? YES... and 1 of them earned our respect! As to your other comments about why hasnt BoB said good fight etc.. Well your talking about an enemy that petetions us for "blocking" them or for language on local.. the ammount we get petetioned each day for little things is pretty high. Your also talking about a leader that lies to there membership about that status of the war.. and how they are doing. Learn by FIX's example.. at the end of the day we are all people.. we are a Band of Brothers.. and if you treat us with honor we treat you with honor.. At the end of the day EvE is a game.. when people loose sight of it, then you reap what you sowe. BOB took a couple stations. Well done. But the war isn't over yet is it? Has ASCN come out and said "We give up, enjoy Paragon soul"? Not to diminish how hard FIX fought for their space but I don't believe it was 3 months of getting all of BOBs undivided attention. If Memory serves most of their fighting was against the coalition wasn't it? And if memory serves wasn't that called the great BOB easter egg hunt? And didn't You also pay a visit to ASCN during that and didn't you guys have some good smack free fights that weekend? I believe so.. from what I remember it was 3 to 4 engagements that weekend. Are you saying ASCN insulted you guys after that or during it? As for ASCN not having seen all of your forces... whatever. And you know.. I agree petitioning for anything that isn't REAL exploits is BS... However, I wasn't just targetting BOB with what I said. I'm talking about all the alliances not actually IN this war critisizing how ASCN is doing. They all talk really big about how they would do in comparison or how ASCN should be doing this or doing that. One more point. Is ASCN fighting or not? Isn't that suposedly what you guys want? Fights? Or is it you just want people to bend over and say "You know what? Your right. BOB is uber l33t and we bow down to your greatness"? And take your own advice. At the end of the day EVE is a game. Why don't you try NOT insulting the people... that's right PEOPLE in ASCN and see if you guys get a bit of respect back. You say you don't like to be insults.. well NOBODY does so apply your own words to yourselves, including your leadership, and maybe it will ALL stop.
CitzNo 097864 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:24:00 - [105] SirMolle you're a stupid ****head and nobody likes your "spooky" dramatic posts get out of EVE
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:37:00 - [106] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 20:45:48 Quote: Not to diminish how hard FIX fought for their space but I don't believe it was 3 months of getting all of BOBs undivided attention. If Memory serves most of their fighting was against the coalition wasn't it? I'm afraid your timeline is all wrong... let me put it right for you.. TIMELINE [relevant to this discussion] - CA implodes after SA perform some social engineering and SA + ATUK + Xetic whole load of other entities apply a lot of military pressure. - SA rebrands itself as SE - Shinra on SE's bequest descend first on Querious (they retreat) and then move onto decimate Period Basis League (FA puppet government in Period Basis) - Atuk initiates operation Goatsie (I think I got that right..) and start attacking FA. - FIX run into Atuk in the A2- pipe and start fighting.. SE as allies decide this is sufficient as a good enough reason to declare war on FIX. - BoB turn up on the scene and this is where they make their first move on the south ... they are allied with SE. - FIX ends up fighting SE, BoB and Atuk at the same time, however BoB and Atuk start changing their target towards FA after a few weeks. - SE withdraws from the war after suffering countless defeats on the battlefield against FIX. - Atuk and BoB concentrate on FA and also keep FIX very busy so that they can setup camp in PB and Delve, everytime BoB wants to move to PB or Delve through A2-V27 they run into a FIX fleet. - FIX and BoB continue fighting for about 3 - 4 months nonstop, eventually leading to a healthy respect which leads to an eventual cease in hostilities. .... k we can stop here... NOTE : The Coalition war hasn't happened yet, that happens a month or so after BoB and FIX sign a NAP. Wether BoB meant to destroy FIX or not is debatable.. personally I think they thought FIX was a worthy oponent and were more interested in beating up FA. However, for about 3 months FIX and BoB fought like clockwork every day at around 7pm (GMT) a 70-80 man BoB fleet would roll into Querious and we would fight them sometimes they won, sometimes we won. This went on for months everyday without fail. Draw your own conclusions.... [edit:typo]
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:38:00 - [107] Slowboat, just post on your main ASCN character. It's getting silly now. --------------------
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:47:00 - [108] Edited by: Slowboat on 29/10/2006 20:49:26 Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 20:42:14 Quote: Not to diminish how hard FIX fought for their space but I don't believe it was 3 months of getting all of BOBs undivided attention. If Memory serves most of their fighting was against the coalition wasn't it? I'm afraid your timeline is all wrong... let me put it right for you.. TIMELINE [relevant to this discussion] - CA implodes after SA perform some social engineering and SA + ATUK + Xetic whole load of other entities apply a lot of military pressure. - SA rebrands itself as SE - Shinra on SE's bequest descend first on Querious (they retreat) and then move onto decimate Period Basis League (FA puppet government in Period Basis) - Atuk initiates operation Goatsie (I think I got that right..) and start attacking FA. - FIX run into Atuk in the A2- pipe and start fighting.. SE as allies decide this is sufficient as a good enough reason to declare war on FIX. - BoB turn up on the scene and this is where they make their first move on the south ... they are allied with SE. - FIX ends up fighting SE, BoB and Atuk at the same time, however BoB and Atuk start changing their target towards FA after a few weeks. - SE withdraws from the war after suffering countless defeats on the battlefield against FIX. - Atuk and BoB concentrate on FA and also keep FIX very busy so that they can setup camp in PB and Delve, everytime BoB wants to move to PB or Delve through A2-V27 they run into a FIX fleet. - FIX and BoB continue fighting for about 3 - 4 months nonstop, eventually leading to a healthy respect which leads to an eventual cease in hostilities. .... k we can stop here... NOTE : The Coalition war hasn't happened yet, that happens afte a month or so after BoB and FIX sign a NAP. Wether BoB meant to destroy FIX or not is debatable.. personally I think they thought FIX was a worthy oponent and were more interested in beating up FA. However, for about 3 months FIX and BoB fought like clockwork every day at around 7pm (GMT) a 70-80 man BoB fleet would roll into Querious and we would fight them sometimes they won, sometimes we won. This went on for months everyday without fail. Draw your own conclusions.... [edit:typo] I'm sorry Nez but what you just described isn't BOB's undivided attention. I'm talking 23/7 continuous fighting along the front. Edit: Added last sentence to clarify.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:47:00 - [109] Originally by: Slowboat And didn't You also pay a visit to ASCN during that and didn't you guys have some good smack free fights that weekend? I believe so.. from what I remember it was 3 to 4 engagements that weekend. Are you saying ASCN insulted you guys after that or during it? Yes, we did = we weren't called cheats or exploiters then and look at the difference now, since McGreedy and CYVOK, even in his LATEST blog, have started doing so. You expect us to respect ASCN when every other word out of their leaders mouths is "bob cheat", "bob exploit", "bob are gms", "bob are devs"? Not gonna happen, and for that we can thank the amazing genius that is the CYVOK spin machine.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:51:00 - [110] Originally by: Slowboat One more point. Is ASCN fighting or not? Isn't that suposedly what you guys want? Fights? Or is it you just want people to bend over and say "You know what? Your right. BOB is uber l33t and we bow down to your greatness"? The ASCN pilots want to fight, but there FC's appear to be holding them back. For about the last week and a half, I've been receiving fairly constant requests for 1vs1 fights in PS (and I'm not the only one). Make of that what you will. P.S. Good to be on the battlefield with you again ANZA, shame it's on opposing sides.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:52:00 - [111] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 21:00:06 Quote: I'm sorry Nez but what you just described isn't BOB's undivided attention. I never said it was... but even you must admit that FIX fought tooth and nail against overwhelming odds for its space and survived. And even after that FIX provided BoB with months upon months of unadulterated fleet warfare fun. No I don't think BoB wanted to destroy FIX after they saw how we fought off SE and themselves at the same time.. but the why of it is important. I'll let you work that out for yourself. PS I'd like to add something else as well... can people stop dragging up ancient history if they are not sure about it [edit:typo]
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:55:00 - [112] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Slowboat And didn't You also pay a visit to ASCN during that and didn't you guys have some good smack free fights that weekend? I believe so.. from what I remember it was 3 to 4 engagements that weekend. Are you saying ASCN insulted you guys after that or during it? Yes, we did = we weren't called cheats or exploiters then and look at the difference now, since McGreedy and CYVOK, even in his LATEST blog, have started doing so. You expect us to respect ASCN when every other word out of their leaders mouths is "bob cheat", "bob exploit", "bob are gms", "bob are devs"? Not gonna happen, and for that we can thank the amazing genius that is the CYVOK spin machine. And what Dian? You expect ASCN to hold a vote of no confidence in the leaders of the alliance, supposing such a thing could happen, in the middle of a WAR? So because some people, highly placed people granted, are saying things you don't like you are going to say that every ASCN member that fights doesn't deserve respect for doing so? IF there were internal issues in an Alliance the worst thing they could do during a war is try to solve it and you guys bloody well know it. Better to fight the war and act as a unified front THEN try to solve any internal issues. Not squabble and infight DURING the war and do BOBs work for them. Wouldn't you say?
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:57:00 - [113] Edited by: Dawn Princess on 29/10/2006 21:06:27 Nevermind, no matter the point I have no doubt it will get twisted around on this forum. Ignore.
Astasia Orian Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:06:00 - [114] Originally by: Dawn Princess Edited by: Dawn Princess on 29/10/2006 20:58:26 All I know is, every single fleet battle I have been in against BoB has ended the same way (including tonights) - in a node crash with very fast BoB relog (no i am not saying you are causing the crashes or haxxing or anything I am just saying every single time you log back in quicker than we do for whatever reason) and me unable to log back in for the night. The second the node crashed, did you open a fresh client, hit login, click your charactar and stare at that black screen until you loaded? If so, do you know for sure that 100% of your buddies did the same? I did, and I am. That's all it comes down to.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:08:00 - [115] imho molle, our threads look cooler :) Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:12:00 - [116] Originally by: Slowboat I'm sorry Nez but what you just described isn't BOB's undivided attention. .. just been thinking about what you said some more...I'm going to go out on a limb here... and perhaps BoB will disagree with what I am about to say... here goes... If FA had more pro-active and fielded a half decent fighting fleet in the defence of Period Basis and Delve when BoB first started dropping anchor in those regions.... and had FA and FIX been proper allies with a Mutual Defence Pact..... then BoB wouldn't have been able to gain their initial foothold. As it happened.. and I'm sorry for any ex-FA readers following this thread.. FA fleets were useless and more of a liability than a military asset. So what Endersgame was saying was in part true... FIX with a little bit of help could have stood up to BoB and BoB accept this and is why there was a healthy respect between us.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:17:00 - [117] Originally by: Dawn Princess All I know is, every single fleet battle I have been in against BoB has ended the same way (including tonights) - in a node crash with very fast BoB relog (no i am not saying you are causing the crashes or haxxing or anything I am just saying every single time you log back in quicker than we do for whatever reason) and me unable to log back in for the night. I just wish we could either (i) get CCP to fix it so that following node crash people log back in to a random SS to avoid all the relog gankage so we could get on with the game, or (ii) we could agree a ceasefire following a node crash so that people can log back in and we can try to get some fun without people trying to score cheap ganks - or is this not a game? It's amazing how many times this has come up since the start of this war. The reality of the situation is that BoB logs in faster because we're not worried about being ganked at a gate. We know that at the same time we click our avatar on the opening screen, the rest of BoB are doing exactly the same thing. The fact is that you have pilots waiting that extra 30 seconds, just so that they aren't first in. You have pilots waiting to hear on TS if there is a bob fleet already on the gate. To the point where in a number of recent fights, ASCN has refused to log on at all. As long as you can't trust everyone to login asap, you will never come out of that scenario on top.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:18:00 - [118] Originally by: Slowboat And what Dian? You expect ASCN to hold a vote of no confidence in the leaders of the alliance, supposing such a thing could happen, in the middle of a WAR? So because some people, highly placed people granted, are saying things you don't like you are going to say that every ASCN member that fights doesn't deserve respect for doing so? That's what I'm saying, yes. If you fly with people that make you look bad, guess what? You look bad. If you continue to support such idiotic statements with your continued presence in your fleet then you may aswell say the words yourself. Start owning up to your failures, until then no you won't get anything but our pity.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:19:00 - [119] Well last time I looked ASCN had an assload of stations. Of which the Paragon Soul ones are the least defended ones. If they continue to loose two a month then they can keep going for long enough for their own tactic to come into play probably. Their logistics so far is a huge dissapointment though. I thought they would be able to provide 24/7 coverage and huge logistics all over bob space.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:27:00 - [120] Originally by: Nez Perces - Shinra on SE's bequest descend first on Querious (they retreat) and then move onto decimate Period Basis League (FA puppet government in Period Basis) Not quite, Nez. Shinra never went after FIX, although im flattered that our occasional raid into Querious/Delve/PB and Fountain are seen as a descend on Querious. We really just settled in Vezila while regrouping and restocking, and we lead the occasional fleet to have some fun. And ya, ran into some FIX. Querious was never our goal, Period Basis was. Also, Shinra was as active if not more active as ATUK and pre-BoB against FA. Not completely relevant to this discussion, but i'd hate it if our part was forgotten. It was Shinra that captured PB and completely pacified Delve. Shinra took the stations in Delve, but gave them to Reikoku at the time. BoB sticked around and we didnt, thats all. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:30:00 - [121] Originally by: Elve Sorrow ...but gave them to Reikoku at the time. Oh, the favours I performed :p Though I think you guys took NOL and helped us take 5-6, iirc mo- remained / returned to being an FA station a number of times before we finally held it down.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:31:00 - [122] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Not quite, Nez. Shinra never went after FIX, although im flattered that our occasional raid into Querious/Delve/PB and Fountain are seen as a descend on Querious. We really just settled in Vezila while regrouping and restocking, and we lead the occasional fleet to have some fun. And ya, ran into some FIX. Querious was never our goal, Period Basis was. Also, Shinra was as active if not more active as ATUK and pre-BoB against FA. Not completely relevant to this discussion, but i'd hate it if our part was forgotten. It was Shinra that captured PB and completely pacified Delve. Shinra took the stations in Delve, but gave them to Reikoku at the time. BoB sticked around and we didnt, thats all. hehe.. fair enough I'll stand corrected then... I suppose when you guys dropped an entire fleet onto 9cg and stayed there for several days.. it was only a courtesy visit.. perhaps testing the waters...although it certainly felt like an invasion at the time. Shinra did create massive problems for FA and it should not be forgotten.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:31:00 - [123] Originally by: Zadren Radek So what is it you are actually trying to convey with this rather long-winded diatribe, Molle? That the alliance is shaking in its boots, too afraid to fight the 'Demon Hordes' of Bobbits assaulting its borders? Paralysed by fear and mesmerised by its own impending demise? Your alliance has a very major delema to deal with. It is creating fear within as a survival mechinism. Your leadership is being dishonest to its membership. It is artificially raising morale at the expense of it's own future. It is avoiding avoiding reality to keep up an image. It is a double edged sword for ASCN HC. If HC is honest with themselves and their members and admit these defeats are due to incompetences/lack of skill then your members will lose confidence in their fleets and everyone starts to panic. Mass panic has not set in to ASCN membership yet. Right now it is staying with ASCN HC. Their leadership mimics confidence very well when speaking to their members. However if this confidence not sincere. This is demonstraited by their persuit of symbolic victories and avoidance of the critical fights. So ASCN HC is panicing and instead of an admission of responsibility they either deny their losses, waist human resources, and claim exteral forces out of their control cause their losses (ie. sploits, lag, cheap tactics) then your military has no chance of improving. If your HC doesnt admit fault how can they learn from their mistakes and improve? Short term this approach may keep members from leaving, but in the long term it will cause mass panic and end up leading to a very ugly end for ASCN. Fear and insecurity are contagious. So HC's choice is either accept all blame and try a new approach resulting in loss of their memberships confidence and trust or deny responsibilty and never improve. Either way you lose. These are just symptoms of ASCN's lack of military leadership abilities. I'm not talking about the pilots or FC's. I'm talking about the generals/commander and chief. This will not get any better. These commanders for the most part are very experienced. They can not claim lack of experience. They've had plenty of time to hone their skills. This is purely lack of ability and creativity. It is demonstraited very clearly through every step of the war. Your stategy/tactics are all just tricks other alliances/corps have done on you, avoidance, and denial. Its good to learn from experience but most of the time you apply those learned strategies/tactics in improper methods. You just mimic what you see others do. You need creativity to adapt what you have learned if you want to properly apply what you know to your current situation. HC's failure to comprehend this and identify critical battles in the war clearly demonstraits the lack of military leadership potential. Your commanders are sub-par. There is no real fix for this other than new leadership. ASCN has repeatedly tried to compensate for this lack of ability by relying on cheap parlor tricks. These are not long term solutions. They may be enough to get people to show up to the next battle. They also prevent you from winning fleet battles and wars. It seems you leadership has turned to denial as a coping mechanism. In a colossal failure as military commanders HC sees morale as the only important aspect of the war. High morale and spin will not win you this particular war. High morale will just keep you in the fight. It will not win you anything. Because of the fear and lack of confidence of ASCN HC you guys are fighting in an effort not to lose. We are fighting to destroy. The fear and lack of confidence in your high command will soon spread through ASCN like a wild fire. Have fun. We will. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:34:00 - [124] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Nez Perces - Shinra on SE's bequest descend first on Querious (they retreat) and then move onto decimate Period Basis League (FA puppet government in Period Basis) Not quite, Nez. Shinra never went after FIX, although im flattered that our occasional raid into Querious/Delve/PB and Fountain are seen as a descend on Querious. We really just settled in Vezila while regrouping and restocking, and we lead the occasional fleet to have some fun. And ya, ran into some FIX. Querious was never our goal, Period Basis was. Also, Shinra was as active if not more active as ATUK and pre-BoB against FA. Not completely relevant to this discussion, but i'd hate it if our part was forgotten. It was Shinra that captured PB and completely pacified Delve. Shinra took the stations in Delve, but gave them to Reikoku at the time. BoB sticked around and we didnt, thats all. Hey Elve Pretty much the way I remember it. I missed parts of the delve campaign (was out of town the whole three days it took to pry off FA). I know BOB was heavily fighting with FIX then. I know that contiunued for many months even after we (shinra at then) left to start 5 with ATUK/BOS/SUPRM/REIGN.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:39:00 - [125] Originally by: Nez Perces You cannot hope to win a war without ever defeating the enemy on the battlefield. Its simply not possible... whichever way you look at it. Not true. I've fought a war and lost every single fight without exception and still won the war rather easily. /waves to smash. hi Emperor! It can be done. It's just not being done. ASCN should own not only paragon soul but most of period basis right now. They just made some collosal strategic errors. If ASCN and BoB swapped leaderships BoB would be in empire fighting a gurilla war. ASCN would control bobs regions. BoB would probably still win alot of the fights but would be losing the war. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:42:00 - [126] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 21:44:31 Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 21:42:53 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Nez Perces You cannot hope to win a war without ever defeating the enemy on the battlefield. Its simply not possible... whichever way you look at it. Not true. I've fought a war and lost every single fight without exception and still won the war rather easily. /waves to smash. hi Emperor! ... hmm k this sounds intriguing.. could you give us some more details? How do you win a military war in EVE, where territorial conquest is the objective, without winning any battles on the field? I for the life of me can't think of a way to accomplish this. [edit:for clarity]
BurnYaBad Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:44:00 - [127] And the bob drival begins once more, Let's play a game of bob posting. I'd say its 20 to 1 the bob to ascn replies, let's then look at the number of members in each alliance, wow Sir Fool has you guys busy on both fronts.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:44:00 - [128] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 21:42:53 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Nez Perces You cannot hope to win a war without ever defeating the enemy on the battlefield. Its simply not possible... whichever way you look at it. Not true. I've fought a war and lost every single fight without exception and still won the war rather easily. /waves to smash. hi Emperor! ... hmm k this sounds intriguing.. could you give us some more details? How do you win a military war without winning any battles on the field? I for the life of me can't think of a way to accomplish this. I'll drop you an eve mail in game when I get back from picking my roommate up at the airport. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:45:00 - [129] Originally by: BurnYaBad And the bob drival begins once more, Let's play a game of bob posting. I'd say its 20 to 1 the bob to ascn replies, let's then look at the number of members in each alliance, wow Sir Fool has you guys busy on both fronts. well, unlike you who are busy on neither. Keeping a low profile on the forums is well and all but sitting at the POS all day is not... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Remmington Daniels Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:45:00 - [130] Originally by: BurnYaBad And the bob drival begins once more, Let's play a game of bob posting. I'd say its 20 to 1 the bob to ascn replies, let's then look at the number of members in each alliance, wow Sir Fool has you guys busy on both fronts. Stop talking on here High command said so. Because your making yourselves look like idiots. Wait you are...
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:45:00 - [131] Nez you ever heard of the "scorched earth" tactic?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:46:00 - [132] Originally by: pershphanie I'll drop you an eve mail in game when I get back from picking my roommate up at the airport. ... heh.. its a lot more fun on the forums.. but as you wish..
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:47:00 - [133] Originally by: Mauxir Nez you ever heard of the "scorched earth" tactic? that tactic does not work in EVE, in EVE nobody dies of hunger or cold once the winter arrives.... unless I'm missing something.
Suleyman Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:49:00 - [134] Cheese.. When an FC can't targetcall to save himself, and the fleet is not on the same TS. Then you loose battles. The rest will then be just talk. Suley
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:54:00 - [135] With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. When you remove resources that might benefit him and try and cut off his supply route he will be crippled and defeated. So to defeat an enemy you don't need to win a battle to win a war if you can cripple him in this way.
Jebidus Skari Amarr KTHNXDIE	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:05:00 - [136] Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 29/10/2006 22:07:43 Well done. Interesting times ahead to be sure, now that the buffer between you and Feyth. has gone. Originally by: Mauxir With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. When you remove resources that might benefit him and try and cut off his supply route he will be crippled and defeated. Is that really an issue in EVE given Jump Drives?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:08:00 - [137] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 22:09:29 Originally by: Mauxir With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. When you remove resources that might benefit him and try and cut off his supply route he will be crippled and defeated. So to defeat an enemy you don't need to win a battle to win a war if you can cripple him in this way. well... in EVE, particularly with the advent of clone jumping and capital fleets with jump capabilities... these problems are reduced. Logistics have been aided massivley by jump drive technology. An entity with good logistics can move around the EVE map within hours and be ready to fight on several fronts within a short period of time. ASCN for example has got outposts dotted all over its territory, which will provide forward supply depots for BoB as they advance. No.. this scorched earth policy is a pipe dream. Entities who believe it will save them from a dedicated logistically capable entity, are clutching at straws. You still need to engage and defeat your enemy at some point.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:12:00 - [138] Originally by: Mauxir With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. That's not scorched earth mate, that's just interdiction. Scorched earth would be ASCN self destructing their outposts before we could capture them.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:26:00 - [139] Originally by: Omeega imho molle, our threads look cooler :) Signed. - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:36:00 - [140] Nice post... PS. Really just wanted to show off the new alliance-ticker ____________ The Priory Killboard
Mauxir Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:40:00 - [141] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mauxir With the scorched earth tactic I meant that the farther an enemy advances into enemy territory the longer his supply lines stretch. That's not scorched earth mate, that's just interdiction. Scorched earth would be ASCN self destructing their outposts before we could capture them. I stand corrected.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:47:00 - [142] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Elve Sorrow ...but gave them to Reikoku at the time. Oh, the favours I performed :p Though I think you guys took NOL and helped us take 5-6, iirc mo- remained / returned to being an FA station a number of times before we finally held it down. Im not 100% sure on how exactly things happened, were talking nearly 2 years ago here. I fondly remember shooting the bloody stations though, then have people whining about you taxing us and how we shouldnt have given away the station. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:52:00 - [143] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Elve Sorrow ...but gave them to Reikoku at the time. Oh, the favours I performed :p Though I think you guys took NOL and helped us take 5-6, iirc mo- remained / returned to being an FA station a number of times before we finally held it down. Im not 100% sure on how exactly things happened, were talking nearly 2 years ago here. I fondly remember shooting the bloody stations though, then have people whining about you taxing us and how we shouldnt have given away the station. I've never ever in my life ever taxed a friend or sold them an overpriced shuttle... . . . honest.
Kariss Gallente Midnight Cartel	Posted - 2006.10.29 22:57:00 - [144] Doesn't matter how eloquently you word it Molle, it's still a pile of arrogant drivel.
TheDeathStar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:07:00 - [145] Originally by: Remmington Daniels Originally by: BurnYaBad And the bob drival begins once more, Let's play a game of bob posting. I'd say its 20 to 1 the bob to ascn replies, let's then look at the number of members in each alliance, wow Sir Fool has you guys busy on both fronts. Stop talking on here High command said so. Because your making yourselves look like idiots. Wait you are... they can't be bigger idiots then the dice corp
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:26:00 - [146] Originally by: Kaemper propaganda ftl... Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Kaemper Gallente Itchy logistics	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:36:00 - [147] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kaemper propaganda ftl... Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. tbqh i have absolutely no idea of whats going on down there... however as most regular forum readers (ye we r all bored at work it seems), i do know that most of what BoB puts on the forums (alts or mains) is to be considered half lies hidden i bent truths.. so pardon me if i dont believe a word you are saying - you kinda brought that upon yourselves...
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:37:00 - [148] How I have missed the forums..... - Ferocious FeAr > bob are****got pussies
Dragutinovic Caldari Storm Thesis	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:40:00 - [149] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Dawn Princess All I know is, every single fleet battle I have been in against BoB has ended the same way (including tonights) - in a node crash with very fast BoB relog (no i am not saying you are causing the crashes or haxxing or anything I am just saying every single time you log back in quicker than we do for whatever reason) and me unable to log back in for the night. I just wish we could either (i) get CCP to fix it so that following node crash people log back in to a random SS to avoid all the relog gankage so we could get on with the game, or (ii) we could agree a ceasefire following a node crash so that people can log back in and we can try to get some fun without people trying to score cheap ganks - or is this not a game? It's amazing how many times this has come up since the start of this war. The reality of the situation is that BoB logs in faster because we're not worried about being ganked at a gate. We know that at the same time we click our avatar on the opening screen, the rest of BoB are doing exactly the same thing. The fact is that you have pilots waiting that extra 30 seconds, just so that they aren't first in. You have pilots waiting to hear on TS if there is a bob fleet already on the gate. To the point where in a number of recent fights, ASCN has refused to log on at all. As long as you can't trust everyone to login asap, you will never come out of that scenario on top. Thats indeed a reason why you might think BoB is not playing fair . Ive seen it happening way back within PA . _____________ Im back !
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:41:00 - [150] Originally by: Kaemper Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kaemper propaganda ftl... Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. tbqh i have absolutely no idea of whats going on down there... however as most regular forum readers (ye we r all bored at work it seems), i do know that most of what BoB puts on the forums (alts or mains) is to be considered half lies hidden i bent truths.. so pardon me if i dont believe a word you are saying - you kinda brought that upon yourselves... And upon what evidence did you draw that conclusion ? Please point to me where we have ever lied or not stated facts.
RaptorX Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:42:00 - [151] I don't have a fancy signature... I don't always win every fight I get into... But you know what? I'm having fun. Good fights to all. RaptorX
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:45:00 - [152] Edited by: Oratu on 29/10/2006 23:45:39 Lol omg i now know why i aviod these forums like the ebola virus (this is not a comment directed at the op and all the sensible posters, but to the moron 3rd party, penut gallery figures amongst the posters).... Ok only posting about 1 thing and 1 thing only, ASCN population estimates.. It seems that either people are surmising (assuming) we have 5000 members or that ascn have told them this number and neglected to to also include the fact that by 5000 they mean alts aswell... LoL now i assume the number is around 2000, and iam calling that a rough estimate, so 2000 active players, now lets say that this number is a true representation (dont know if it is) of our people power, surely those in bob/other alliances know what timezones are and are aware of the fact that there is life outside of eve and that the human body needs sleep, wives and children need attention ect. ect. Iam not going to tell you publicly the mean average number of pilots on ant any given time, iam sure bob knows, it would be a grave mistake if they did not have that sort of intelligence (no not smart dumb intelligence, as in information intelligence), but ask yourself this, how many people are in your corp / alliance, then check your alliance chat, do the statistics, and please to all those who say "well they got 5000 members" please obtain your self a life outside of eve and or go back to school. RL example of timezone logic: let say microsoft have 200,000 workers (most of them bug fixers hehehehehe), if you assume that means on monday morning there will be 200,000 people in the smoko room, well, no comment.. RL example of life logic: ummmmm do i really need to give one ??? if u need one u really need to get out more, simple fact is, lol, eve is a game that a lot of muture (and a lot that are not so mature) people pay to play for fun and do not live on there computer (obviously there are some that do choose the eve life, for the lack of a better term) that is all, gl to all, see yas out there regards
Kaemper Gallente Itchy logistics	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:49:00 - [153] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel And upon what evidence did you draw that conclusion ? Please point to me where we have ever lied or not stated facts. lol you are kiddin' right? ah yes the good old 'keep those who oppose you occupied' tactic.. well i couldnt be bothered.. for one id be perm banned for spamming ;) but u know what... if you provide me with all the alt names in BoB i promise ill eve mail u a complete list of jibberish ever posted by BoB :)
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:51:00 - [154] Oratu, people ignore that point since it goes for everyone equally. BoB has 1600 members, which probably are about 400-500 actual people, of which only part is active. We do however regularly see a higher then 80% participation on our main ops. That's what counts. When people say ASCN has 5000+ members they mean that for an alliance that total size, getting double our amount of pilots even if we have an 80+% participation grade should be pretty doable. Personally, I think the point is moot. I'm convinced that in the long run ASCN loses either way. A very high participation rate may just slow us down. Old blog
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:00:00 - [155] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kaemper propaganda ftl... Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. You kidding? Look at the words he used and tell me with a straight face this isnt propaganda. Btw, a honest question, who are you trying to impress here? Do you seriously believe people will read the nonsense and "be afraid" lol?? Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:05:00 - [156] Edited by: Oratu on 30/10/2006 00:05:55 hey rod :) i disagree with the way people are painting the picture is silly and i understand that pop stats are comparitive... Yeah bob have less than we do, i dont dispute that fact, but numbers are easlily distorted or "dressed up/dressed down" by the average person. ie. whats wieghs more ton of bricks or ton of feathers ie. 8 = infinity
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:19:00 - [157] Quote: as for getting that fight to the front, well iam not a liberty to comment..... Don't worry, we've read it too We'll see. We're not close to giving you our all yet either. Old blog
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:23:00 - [158] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kaemper propaganda ftl... Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. You kidding? Look at the words he used and tell me with a straight face this isnt propaganda. Btw, a honest question, who are you trying to impress here? Do you seriously believe people will read the nonsense and "be afraid" lol?? I'm sure it's been said before, but the best propaganda is "the truth".. Too often the ASCN leadership has tried to imply that "Bob propaganda" is just a big lie, that ascn are really holding their own.. During this war, the truth has been the only propaganda needed.. Your suffering heavy loses pretty much every fight.. To the extent that you forces sit in POS nearly 23/7 in systems we're active in.. Your HC sent / or corps decided themselves, to leave your frontline as it began to crumble, prefering to try and find some easy ganks in delve and fountain, than support their fellow members that eventually lost the fight to hold gq2 or h8- Maybe you dont like the phrasing or the words, maybe you think this post is designed to instill fear.. honestly i rather doubt that.. words without actions are useless.. and if the ease with which we took your stations hasnt set alarm bells ringing, then i cant believe a simple post would suddenly change that.. >: )
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:27:00 - [159] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kaemper propaganda ftl... Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. You kidding? Look at the words he used and tell me with a straight face this isnt propaganda. Btw, a honest question, who are you trying to impress here? Do you seriously believe people will read the nonsense and "be afraid" lol?? LoL you read your HC's nonesense and believe it ... so yeah i have no doubt your shaking in your boots right about now ... No wait cyvok will just put up a new post telling you how attacking that mining corp that we have +ve up in venal is gonna aid you in the war...
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:30:00 - [160] I've had ascn members eve-mail me and tell me that it's over and bob have lost the war...honestly, you're trying to spout some mashed up propoganda/fiction that makes you feel confident to someone who knows the facts and convince them to swap sides. My allegance lies with my Alliance and its host BoB.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:37:00 - [161] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig You kidding? Look at the words he used and tell me with a straight face this isnt propaganda. ok. What part specifically is incorrect? Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Btw, a honest question, who are you trying to impress here? Do you seriously believe people will read the nonsense and "be afraid" lol?? Not at all. You missed the point. My post was not meant to scare anyone, just bring the truth to the surface. Its not my words that will cause any fear. It is your leadership methods that will create it. That was my point. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:51:00 - [162] Originally by: Kaemper Originally by: Dr Einkeisel And upon what evidence did you draw that conclusion ? Please point to me where we have ever lied or not stated facts. lol you are kiddin' right? ah yes the good old 'keep those who oppose you occupied' tactic.. well i couldnt be bothered.. for one id be perm banned for spamming ;) but u know what... if you provide me with all the alt names in BoB i promise ill eve mail u a complete list of jibberish ever posted by BoB :) Exactly what everyone says when confronted after comming on a thread invovling bob and pointlessly flaming. You show up and smack making broad statements about bob lies/propaganda. When confronted and asked specifically what was a lie you make up vague excuses and are unable to back up what you say. Doesnt that make you the one doing exactly what you accuse bob of doing? The only honest part of your posts was when you said "tbqh i have absolutely no idea of whats going on". Post specifically what facts we got wrong or your posts are just unfounded flames. Without that you deserve no further respose and thats exactly what you will get. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:52:00 - [163] Originally by: NTRabbit Originally by: The Empire of Grief <KomradeVirtunov> That post gets a 10/10 <&NTRabbit> i dunno <&NTRabbit> post feels too try-hardish <&NTRabbit> too forced <~Stavros> agree <~Stavros> it would be more at home in WOW than in eve <~Stavros> too many stupid metaphors/similies <&NTRabbit> yeah <~Stavros> You have lost Paragon Soul. The name itself symbolic in that BoB is now as a paragon of the soul of war, <~Stavros> * <&NTRabbit> rhetoric is useful, but only if its intelligible The Empire of Grief has spoken I know, my skin crawls when I reread some parts of it again. The most coherent parts are the ones written by Digi. I had little to work with, though, and was sorely tempted to word it like "Hay ASCN!!11 we are in your baes, killing your mans!" However. **ing off Stavros is the surest confirmation that we've said things in the best way possible. PS: Hi HG!
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:58:00 - [164] The way I see it. This post is written from my point of view. It doesn't mean this is the view of anybody else in the Ascendant Frontier or my corporation. Around the map I have been. I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly in Eve over these past three+ years. From CFS, to BoB, to FIX, to Kimotoro Directive, to ASCN, I've been quite the vagabond. I've had the honor of flying with some really great folks, some average folks, and some downright idiots. In all my travels, in a grand total of six MMORPG's I've played, the best bunch of kindred souls I've met is in ASCN. I don't say that lightly. BoB takes pretty much every chance they get to push our shortcomings in fleet battles down our throat and everybody elses. Yep. We've lost some doozies. I won't deny that. When you think about it, ASCN wasn't founded to be the pinnacle of PVP, we were founded because a group of like-minded people had a goal, and a dream. We wanted to set up a 0.0 empire which echoed or even surpassed the greatness of the five empires. So what that meant was we grouped together a cohesive mass of people whom had the same basic ideals, and went to work. We mined, researched, hauled, and pulled our hair out placing our outposts and POS network. There is not a single entity besides chinese isk farmers and macro miners that can say they have worked as hard at Eve as we have. The results speak for themselves, over a dozen outposts and enough POS to make the database whimper after every downtime. To secure all of our space, many of our members kept their PVP skills sharp through hunting down and killing enemies that would invade and by putting roaming gangs together to voyage to the space of our enemies. That being said, we never really needed Battleship fleets, as we weren't going after anyone else in large fleets except invaders. If an invading force brought a large battleship contingent, we could amass a massive blob and either make them log, make them run or make them die. So now enters the new enemy, someone who was an old friend. BoB is one of the best in game when it comes to fleet battles, I absolutely concede that point. In the beginning of this conflict, many of our members had very little experience with large scale conflict, and it really showed. I knew what to expect, mostly from the amount of fleet battles I've participated in. Some of our guys were caught flat-footed, because they were used to winning without needing to do some of the basic fleet-operations musts. Like aligning to a safespot and going to full speed when the enemies warp in. Or mounting plates and damage mods. Or Specific EW, or overview settings. Every fight we engage in teaches our Fleet Commanders something new, and forges our members into a more effective fighting force. SirMolle makes a post here, makes a post there. I know that there's been some vitriol lashed back and forth about "Propaganda" in Eve. Molle's posts are leaflets being dropped behind enemy lines to weaken the resolve of his enemy. You make a very persuasive argument, whoever wrote that for you has a gift with words. Except I happen to see things a little bit differently, having not fallen off the turnip truck this morning. If BoB was so much better than ASCN in all things as they state, they wouldn't have to relay ASCN teamspeak to win their fleet battles as they have in the past. They wouldn't have to tell everyone on the forums how much better they are than ASCN every chance they get. And most of all, they wouldn't have old friends of mine try to convince me to turn traitor and offline our POS network so they wouldn't have to deal with it. It's not how you win or lose, it's how you play the game. Tick tock, indeed. Your clock is right twice a day, but it's still broken. See you in space. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Caybn E'vangel Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:06:00 - [165] Originally by: Gungankllr You make a very persuasive argument, whoever wrote that for you has a gift with words. That would be the man who posted directly above yours. And yes, yes he does. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:16:00 - [166] Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/10/2006 01:17:47 Originally by: Gungankllr ..nice post.. ... That being said, we never really needed Battleship fleets, as we weren't going after anyone else in large fleets except invaders. If an invading force brought a large battleship contingent, we could amass a massive blob and either make them log, make them run or make them die... Thats a nice post GK, much like the other good post you made right at the beginning of the war... .. however, your post actually contains the reason why ASCN is going to suffer horribly in this war.. and I highlighted it in italics... Your leadership is guilty of gross negligence for not drilling its troops in basic fleet warfare beyond the obvious blob tactics and that goes for your FC's too, which seem to be lacking. ASCN has so much to learn and seems to be so lacking in basic fleet manouvres, that it is quite possible that the rate at which you improve will not keep up with the rate at which BoB will gobble up your territory. ASCN is guilty of falling into the carebear trap... and BoB is gonna shake the living daylights out of you... its quite possible that you won't survive the shock to the system.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:30:00 - [167] It's so nice to see our opponents so concerned about the quality of our leadership. So concerned for the 'exploitation' by our devious leaders. Some nice advice from the people who need to use the lamest tactics in and outside the game to try and get the upper hand. We, the ASCN grunts, have seen the tactics, the spies, the attempts to bribe our people, the mass log-off node crashes. Nothing that you say or write as 'honest' or 'factual' critique hits home with our player base after those shenanigans. Must be frustrating for you. I fully understand that our opponents need more posts to try to keep up the pressure. Looking forward to SirMolle's daily 'morale booster' on these forums soon. He didn't need so many words, and so much drama, in previous wars. Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit sh
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:34:00 - [168] one word for this post... pretentious. Do you seriously believe you are going to be the end of ASCN, we all know how this story will end, no one will win. I am not trying to smack, im trying to do as BoB say they are doing and presenting facts. ASCN may take more ship losses, you may defeat them in fleet battles but at the end of the day theres only so long you can carry on for. And we cant all forget they did take an outpost from Xelas which tbh was impressive considering theyre your meatshields, and is almost the same as taking one from yourselves. BoB have fantastic fleet capabilities, this cannot be denied however the constant posts of victories is getting stale, with the spin your posts put on the war you would have everyone think ASCN are living in Jita mining veldspar crying about how good BoB are. Statistics win fights, results win wars.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:52:00 - [169] Originally by: Darkstar BP We, the ASCN grunts, have seen the tactics, the spies, the attempts to bribe our people I suppose you think your alliance is above this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ 2006.10.22 03:52:05 ] pershphanie > not necessarily [ 2006.10.22 03:52:35 ] Uhmari > i am a fc here, why for us, and when bob dies, you can join ds1, we are 1/2 of the capital fleet in the alliance an all of us know what we are doing [ 2006.10.22 03:52:43 ] Uhmari > spy for us* [ 2006.10.22 03:53:00 ] pershphanie > lol. i dont spy for anyone :) [ 2006.10.22 03:53:08 ] Uhmari > you can [ 2006.10.22 03:53:10 ] pershphanie > not even when i was PA [ 2006.10.22 03:53:18 ] pershphanie > i CAN, buit i wouldnt [ 2006.10.22 03:53:48 ] Uhmari > Bob is near impossible to get a spy into [ 2006.10.22 03:54:16 ] Uhmari > you could get a big reward, and join us after we beat bob [ 2006.10.22 03:54:20 ] Uhmari > they cant win persh you know that [ 2006.10.22 03:54:28 ] Uhmari > they are losing, and i know their battle plan [ 2006.10.22 03:55:08 ] Uhmari > i can arrange any request you have in payment for that [ 2006.10.22 03:55:23 ] pershphanie > well i would never spy on any corperation im in or have been in. NP with the use of spys, just never going to be me [ 2006.10.22 03:55:28 ] Uhmari > and it would be good to have you on my side again =) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< There goes that theroy.... Its not that your alliance is above the use of such methods, you just arent good at it. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
SmEdD Amarr Nocturnal Soldiers	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:04:00 - [170] Edited by: SmEdD on 30/10/2006 02:04:09 Originally by: Darknesss And we cant all forget they did take an outpost from Xelas which tbh was impressive considering theyre your meatshields, and is almost the same as taking one from yourselves. Umm BoB was told not to bother with helping to take it back, ASCN and Celest took it at the worst possible time for XS as 3 major PVP corps left and their lead FC. Along with that the corp that setup the POS's to take over didn't do the best planning TBH . . . ASCN will not hold the outpost for long and they havn't it has been station ping pong. One hour XS owns it another hour ASCN owns it. They are wasting their time screwing with XS while BoB is taking all their space. This is what space looked like this morning after BoB took H8 (the 2nd ASCN system). They are fighting someone who was not in the war until they launched a full fledged assault on XS on the other side of the universe, one of the dumbest things I have ever seen TBH. Why attack another alliance who was not in the war when you are already having your own issues at home (not to mention it is on the other side of the universe). Also with the attack on PNQY-Y (Xelas Home System) it has put other BoB friends on edge or pulled them into the war which is very bad for ASCN.
Celero Incendium Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:06:00 - [171] Originally by: pershphanie Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda. If the truth of the current situation is considered bob propaganda then the future doesnt look bright for ascn. SirMolle posted 15 paragraphs. The only "truth", as in a provable "fact", is in the first sentance of paragraph number 9, where he states that BoB have taken GQ2 and H8-ZTO. The rest was a psychological attack aimed at destroying the morale and unity of ASCN pilots. Countless posts in this thread, and many others, aim to undermine the authority of ASCN High Command and destroy the morale of the ASCN pilots. You can not deny that a large front of this war has been fought on these forums, in fact it's even been admitted to at least once (I believe it was Dianabolic that stated "we consider the forums an extension of the game", but I could be off on the actual source and quote). Yet every day, every time I read through these threads I do see BoB pilots attempt to deny this by saying such trite things as "Dont mistake an unplesant truth with propaganda." If you respond by stating that ASCN high command are telling their members lies, or that ASCN have already lost, or spout off more nonsense about K:D ratio of Battleships in this war, then you are merely proving my point. The reasoning behind these attacks against ASCN morale is obvious - the quickest way to defeat your enemy is by making them crumble from within. What's not obvious is whether or not they are working. Only time will tell. --ci
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:06:00 - [172] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Darkstar BP We, the ASCN grunts, have seen the tactics, the spies, the attempts to bribe our people I suppose you think your alliance is above this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ 2006.10.22 03:52:05 ] pershphanie > not necessarily [ 2006.10.22 03:52:35 ] Uhmari > i am a fc here, why for us, and when bob dies, you can join ds1, we are 1/2 of the capital fleet in the alliance an all of us know what we are doing [ 2006.10.22 03:52:43 ] Uhmari > spy for us* [ 2006.10.22 03:53:00 ] pershphanie > lol. i dont spy for anyone :) [ 2006.10.22 03:53:08 ] Uhmari > you can [ 2006.10.22 03:53:10 ] pershphanie > not even when i was PA [ 2006.10.22 03:53:18 ] pershphanie > i CAN, buit i wouldnt [ 2006.10.22 03:53:48 ] Uhmari > Bob is near impossible to get a spy into [ 2006.10.22 03:54:16 ] Uhmari > you could get a big reward, and join us after we beat bob [ 2006.10.22 03:54:20 ] Uhmari > they cant win persh you know that [ 2006.10.22 03:54:28 ] Uhmari > they are losing, and i know their battle plan [ 2006.10.22 03:55:08 ] Uhmari > i can arrange any request you have in payment for that [ 2006.10.22 03:55:23 ] pershphanie > well i would never spy on any corperation im in or have been in. NP with the use of spys, just never going to be me [ 2006.10.22 03:55:28 ] Uhmari > and it would be good to have you on my side again =) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< There goes that theroy.... Its not that your alliance is above the use of such methods, you just arent good at it. Banter from someone, not involved in ASCN in upper command, in local, does not constitute an attempt to spy by 'ASCN'. I'd be very disappointed if someone from your team would fall for that. I've read smacktalk from your alliance mates in local about making 'love' to dead bodies - I don't take that seriously either. Neither should you take that post serious. And you didn't too, otherwise you wouldn't try to dig it up 9 days later. Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit sh
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:10:00 - [173] Originally by: Darkstar BP We, the ASCN grunts, have seen the tactics, the spies, the attempts to bribe our people. Apparently they're not forwarding on the internal posts of ours showing ASCN members coming to us with offers of spying for us? From memory, the last one that tried it had there CEO invited into the chat, and was subsequently removed from the corp. If you don't want to believe what we have to say. Don't. But don't be so naieve as to follow without question. Think for your self, because at the moment your just towing the company line.
Zak Kingsman A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:14:00 - [174] Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 30/10/2006 02:15:21 Truth is not necessarily fact. I could say I'm going to try to kill you. Which is not a fact as it can neither be proven or dis-proven. But it could very well be the truth. I could also say the more confident statement I am going to kill you. Again with the same results. Therefore when Molle or anyone else in BoB says we are going to destroy your alliance. Or Your Alliance is dying. It may not be fact. It could however, be very much the truth.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:24:00 - [175] Originally by: Ab Initio Think for your self, because at the moment your just towing the company line. You follow the company line of the other 200,000 BoB posts very well. Please think for you self. Your organization has taken this to these forums, spamming it with 200,000 versions of 'the BoB company line' without any critical thought on the progress of this war. In an obvious and blatant attempt to spin events under the banner of 'telling the truth', hoping to convince ASCN members to question their leadership. Originally by: Ab Initio Apparently they're not forwarding on the internal posts of ours showing ASCN members coming to us with offers of spying for us? Puzzling sentence. Wait, you couldn't be telling me that BoB leadership keeps anything from the BoB members . Only our devious leaders would do such a thing. Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit sh
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:25:00 - [176] Originally by: Darkstar BP Banter from someone, not involved in ASCN in upper command, in local, does not constitute an attempt to spy by 'ASCN'. I'd be very disappointed if someone from your team would fall for that. It wasnt in local, it was a private convo with an ASCN squad commander. He said he had cyvoks authority to proceed and had prepared to pay me a heavty payment from ASCN if i delivered certain intel to him. If offering to pay me for intel "does not constitute an attempt to spy by 'ASCN'" then im not sure what does really. It still shows that while you may not be good at collecting intel, it isnt for lack of trying. You guys have an excuse for everything. It's ok for ascn members to attempt to spy, but if a bob member were to do the same thing we are cheaters. Gotta love the double standard. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:35:00 - [177] Edited by: Darkstar BP on 30/10/2006 02:35:26 Originally by: pershphanie It wasnt in local, it was a private convo with an ASCN squad commander. He said he had cyvoks authority to proceed and had prepared to pay me a heavty payment from ASCN if i delivered certain intel to him. If you had done your homework, you would have noticed that the person had been in the alliance for 6 days........ Enough said. As I said, you took it very seriously, and reported this direct 'ASCN HC-approved' spying attempt to the propaganda boards.... after 9 days. Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Kastar As to the content of Molle's post... I'm pretty sure he's one of the most illiterate and wellwriting folks I've seen on these boards. Then credit sh
Havras The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:37:00 - [178] Edited by: Havras on 30/10/2006 02:38:44 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Darkstar BP Banter from someone, not involved in ASCN in upper command, in local, does not constitute an attempt to spy by 'ASCN'. I'd be very disappointed if someone from your team would fall for that. It wasnt in local, it was a private convo with an ASCN squad commander. He said he had cyvoks authority to proceed and had prepared to pay me a heavty payment from ASCN if i delivered certain intel to him. If offering to pay me for intel "does not constitute an attempt to spy by 'ASCN'" then im not sure what does really. It still shows that while you may not be good at collecting intel, it isnt for lack of trying. You guys have an excuse for everything. It's ok for ascn members to attempt to spy, but if a bob member were to do the same thing we are cheaters. Gotta love the double standard. LOL. You don't even have a clue what your saying. In ASCN anyone that wants to form a gang and lead it is a Squad Commander. It has no specific importance in the Alliance chain of command. No matter what the person might believe. I've been a fleet commander in the past doesn't mean I speak for ASCN as a whole.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:44:00 - [179] Edited by: Ab Initio on 30/10/2006 02:45:38 Originally by: Darkstar BP You follow the company line of the other 200,000 BoB posts very well. Please think for you self. You don't know me, and I don't know you. If you did, you would know that I have a large number of friends in the ASCN alliance. If there is any reason for my posts on these forums, it would be the vague hope that THEY read them and consider their position. As I said previously, believe what you want. I would rather see my friends fighting along side me, than for a leadership that puts moral boosting above the real needs of their alliance. Originally by: Darkstar BP Puzzling sentence. Wait, you couldn't be telling me that BoB leadership keeps anything from the BoB members . Only our devious leaders would do such a thing. The point was simple While accusing us of using every dirty trick in the book, someone neglected to mention that we've been making you aware of those offering to spy for us. It's not something I would expect your leadership to draw attention to. You have to admit though, the whole emphasising information relevant to the cause, while deemphasizing information that doesn't tow the company line sounds vaguely familiar?
Svetlanna The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:45:00 - [180] Arrogant Post at its best. And exhausting to read. Stop doing that thank you
Uuve Savisaalo Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:49:00 - [181] Originally by: SirMolle Upon the reptilian wings of this fear fly the spectres that are so vivid, that there often is no recourse but to deny reality and cling to illusions. digitalcommunist finds new job as a speechwriter?
Zak Kingsman A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:50:00 - [182] Originally by: Celero Incendium Originally by: Zak Kingsman Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 30/10/2006 02:15:21 Truth is not necessarily fact. I could say I'm going to try to kill you. Which is not a fact as it can neither be proven or dis-proven. But it could very well be the truth. I could also say the more confident statement I am going to kill you. Again with the same results. Therefore when Molle or anyone else in BoB says we are going to destroy your alliance. Or Your Alliance is dying. It may not be fact. It could however, be very much the truth. So by your logic, when ASCN high command tell their members that while they may be losing battles now, in the end they will win this war, they are very much telling them the truth? Because while it may not be a provable fact, it could very well be truth? It COULD be the truth. Its only a lie if they believe it to be, and it wont be truth until it happens. Thats the difference between the more confident example "I will" over the less confident example "I will try". Now, when bob says "We'll win" and ASCN says "We'll win" they may both be telling the truth from their point of view. Time will give tale to the lie.
Celero Incendium Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:07:00 - [183] Originally by: Zak Kingsman It COULD be the truth. Its only a lie if they believe it to be, and it wont be truth until it happens. Thats the difference between the more confident example "I will" over the less confident example "I will try". You're absolutely right, and you prove my point. It's only a lie if they belive it to be. Which is why SirMolle, Dianabolic, DBP, pershphanie, Blacklight, and every other major BoB forum poster who I haven't mentioned, try so hard to convince the ASCN grunts that their HC is telling them lies. Because BoB can only make ASCN pilots believe that their high command is telling them lies when they say they're going to win...they can't prove it. Only time will prove who was lying. --ci
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:25:00 - [184] Originally by: Darkstar BP As I said, you took it very seriously, and reported this direct 'ASCN HC-approved' spying attempt to the propaganda boards.... after 9 days. Ofc i didnt take it seriously. I would never spy on my corp. It took me 9 days to figure out how I could still get paid without spying, but in the end I decided that would be too much work. Still, you are avoiding the point. I dont really care to debate the degree of effort or who ASCN uses to recruit spys. That really isnt relevent. The point is that if ascn could spy on bob they would. Yet you constantly complain about it. Just like when you were fighting AAA we had to listen to you constantly whine about their tactics then use them yourself. Keep it up. Now you can post back if you want. I'm sure you have something to say about how my facts dont matter because blah, blah, blah. Yes, I know. The attempts of your alliance dont count because Cyvok didnt make a thread on the recruitment forum saying WTB - BoB spy. I also know how all those other things that you guys do are all ok because you saw someone else do them first. fine. You are winning the war because you took a xelas station for a few days, cool. You are winning fights because bob uses more expensive fittings and if you dicect the killboard stats by individual ASCN corps youve killed more than you lost, all thats just great. Keep saying these things. Everything you guys say is just going to add up to a huge pile of excuses. Excuses do not = results. This is going to catch up with you. So if you want to continue to debate the exent of which ASCN members try to spy VS the extent to which bob members do it, then GL. I have no further interest in your excuses. Same goes for all the other questionable methods you imploy. I could care less if ASCN want to spy. I just brought it up to prove the point that you guys are often say one thing and do another. This is going to catch up with you soon. Eventually even your own members will figure out the level they are being bullshtted by thier HC in almost every way. Soon there will be a day when general population of ASCN figures this out and its not going to be pretty. Hell, I may even get me an ASCN character just to watch that drama. Dunno why, but the titanic keeps comming to mind here. The end is near tick-tock Originally by:* CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
IonHammer Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:28:00 - [185] i put this post though the aussie translator and came out with , if you cant beat us in a straight up fight and your not doing anything major to fix this your dying. Last Drinks gents If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:35:00 - [186] I'm sick of all these stupid movie metaphors. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Zak Kingsman A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:40:00 - [187] Originally by: Celero Incendium Originally by: Zak Kingsman It COULD be the truth. Its only a lie if they believe it to be, and it wont be truth until it happens. Thats the difference between the more confident example "I will" over the less confident example "I will try". You're absolutely right, and you prove my point. It's only a lie if they belive it to be. Which is why SirMolle, Dianabolic, DBP, pershphanie, Blacklight, and every other major BoB forum poster who I haven't mentioned, try so hard to convince the ASCN grunts that their HC is telling them lies. Because BoB can only make ASCN pilots believe that their high command is telling them lies when they say they're going to win...they can't prove it. Only time will prove who was lying. AHH, but when the HC is telling its members that the reason they're losing is due to lag, exploits, BoB GMs as opposed to lack of experience, lack of discipline, lack of practice and lack of a plan. That IS lying to their members.
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:41:00 - [188] You're boring me, come up with something original. -----
Rainbow Jesus Minmatar Grief Tactics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:02:00 - [189] Originally by: Beringe Edited by: Beringe on 30/10/2006 03:37:41 I'm sick of all these stupid movie quotes. SirMolle never has an original catchphrase of his own, does he? How about: Nice Region, We'll Take It.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:19:00 - [190] Originally by: Rainbow Jesus How about: Nice Region, We'll Take It. Said by DB Preacher originally, if I'm not totally mistaken. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:29:00 - [191] Well smacked. Added nothing, overall. But eloquent anyway. --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Dirtball Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:34:00 - [192] Hopefully whomever the new puppets will be actually hangs out there and defends the space like tribal did.
JForce The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:41:00 - [193] What I find interesting is that many are saying that ASCN are either afraid to, or have chosen not to, face BoB in a large confrontation for important space. Instead they attack anciliary targets rather than strike at the heart of BoB infrastructure. For this reason they are being critisised, for this they are being accused of incompetence. However it probably needs to be said that if you were a smart commander, and you knew you couldn't defeat your enemy in a front-on collision, wouldn't you avoid it? Use other tactics? Do other things? It is entirely possible that ASCN are incompetent, afraid or incapable of meeting BoB in large battle for important systems, and completely lacking in an overall strategy. Or they've recognised their weaknesses, and are fighting accordingly. I don't know which it is yet, but it seems too early to draw conclusions either way. Until then, I'd like both sides to shut up about what they're planning to do, and just do it. Until killmails, bs. The Australasian PvP Championships
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:45:00 - [194] Originally by: Beringe Said by DB Preacher originally, if I'm not totally mistaken. I believe so, man I miss dbp announcements === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Leno 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:46:00 - [195] I like molle post b/c they are fun to read, but i like the arguing post better. In my experience BoB arent spindoctors or propagandist(sp?). They don't need to be b/c they back it up. But is also my experience that BoB still have a lets say 10:1 moderate, capable of shooting who is told to in fleet pvpers to expert pvpers. This is pretty standard for a large alliance however most alliances have 20:1 don't show up or cant do it properly to listen and do what they're told ratio. IMO ascn's is even higher and that is why they are militarily inept. Atleast they are good at building things... --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:58:00 - [196] Originally by: JForce What I find interesting is that many are saying that ASCN are either afraid to, or have chosen not to, face BoB in a large confrontation for important space. Instead they attack anciliary targets rather than strike at the heart of BoB infrastructure. For this reason they are being critisised, for this they are being accused of incompetence. However it probably needs to be said that if you were a smart commander, and you knew you couldn't defeat your enemy in a front-on collision, wouldn't you avoid it? Use other tactics? Do other things? It is entirely possible that ASCN are incompetent, afraid or incapable of meeting BoB in large battle for important systems, and completely lacking in an overall strategy. Or they've recognised their weaknesses, and are fighting accordingly. I don't know which it is yet, but it seems too early to draw conclusions either way. Until then, I'd like both sides to shut up about what they're planning to do, and just do it. Until killmails, bs. Sorry, it just doesn't work. Think of it this way: Russia is at war with China. Russia isn't able to win any battles against China, so they go invade North Korea. "WTF?", you say. Exactly.
SmEdD Amarr Nocturnal Soldiers	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:05:00 - [197] Edited by: SmEdD on 30/10/2006 05:07:59 Originally by: Kaosaur Originally by: JForce What I find interesting is that many are saying that ASCN are either afraid to, or have chosen not to, face BoB in a large confrontation for important space. Instead they attack anciliary targets rather than strike at the heart of BoB infrastructure. For this reason they are being critisised, for this they are being accused of incompetence. However it probably needs to be said that if you were a smart commander, and you knew you couldn't defeat your enemy in a front-on collision, wouldn't you avoid it? Use other tactics? Do other things? It is entirely possible that ASCN are incompetent, afraid or incapable of meeting BoB in large battle for important systems, and completely lacking in an overall strategy. Or they've recognised their weaknesses, and are fighting accordingly. I don't know which it is yet, but it seems too early to draw conclusions either way. Until then, I'd like both sides to shut up about what they're planning to do, and just do it. Until killmails, bs. Sorry, it just doesn't work. Think of it this way: Russia is at war with China. Russia isn't able to win any battles against China, so they go invade North Korea. "WTF?", you say. Exactly. QFT, if you were in Bob's Bedroom when the Intel came across they were laying siege to the system they said the same thing as that. WTF is ASCN doing in PNQY attacking a system that doesn't belong to us. Now if they took one of the 3 BoB Outposts in Fountain then that would be a different story. Instead of sending a 150 man blob with 30-50 cap ships to PNQY to attack a 3rd party they should have used that to defend against BoB who had POS's up for over 5 days in their system.
Hinkledolph Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:06:00 - [198] Originally by: Dirtball Hopefully whomever the new puppets will be actually hangs out there and defends the space like tribal did. I miss Paragon Soul :(
Ordo Abchao Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 06:26:00 - [199] I find it very comical that so many ASCN members rashly post with out even a shred of facts. By all means you can all beleive what you like. However, why not take a minute to humour what we say, about your situation, alliance, and leadership, and realise that you may actualy be losing, and that you may need to change, however after that moment you possibly may not think you're being beaten, either way why not humour us? Give it a try, you may see the light, and we may all have a more interesting conflict. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK- Order out of Chaos
Xanenal Wolfenrecon Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.30 06:42:00 - [200] Ever wonder if the people in charge don't care if ASCN falls? I mean... With all the assets in the bigger corps, you gotta wonder whos going to walk away with all that. If the alliance falls apart due to outside pressure, they can pretty much wash their hands of it, and evac with billions upon billions of isk worth of assets, including a titan.
Adril Alatar Minmatar No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:15:00 - [201] Originally by: Xanenal Ever wonder if the people in charge don't care if ASCN falls? I mean... With all the assets in the bigger corps, you gotta wonder whos going to walk away with all that. If the alliance falls apart due to outside pressure, they can pretty much wash their hands of it, and evac with billions upon billions of isk worth of assets, including a titan. And let hundreds of billions of isk in outposts in there space ;-)
Kaemper Gallente Itchy logistics	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:41:00 - [202] Edited by: Kaemper on 30/10/2006 07:41:38 Originally by: pershphanie Exactly what everyone says when confronted after comming on a thread invovling bob and pointlessly flaming. You show up and smack making broad statements about bob lies/propaganda. When confronted and asked specifically what was a lie you make up vague excuses and are unable to back up what you say. We both know that if i actually didnt have anything better to do, i would be able to find propably hundreds of threads in which BoB or the numerous alts post a wishfull/distorted picture of some event. We also both know that most ppl cant be bothered looking up all the insidents and even if i did, it would only revive old discussions about 'what happened and what didnt' which is the exact thing BoB is and have always been going for. Spew out propaganda with partial truths and keep ppl arguing arguing about it. Repeat ur distorted version enough and "some" might start believing it. Its propaganda and spin 101. BoB arent the only ones doing it in this game by far. BoB are just the ones doing it the most, without comparison, which has left me cautious about believing much of anything BoB is saying on the forums. But please start convincing me otherwise. Even if it doesnt sound like it, i dont 'hate' BoB. Im just tired of your never ending forumw*ing. Originally by:** pershphanie Without that you deserve no further respose and thats exactly what you will get. Well i didnt expect any response in the first case. Well maybe i did - the one i got with the usual 'prove it' jibberish. And when i didnt play along i guess being ignored is also what i expected ;) In any case have fun down there. Win on the battlefield, not the forums.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:52:00 - [203] Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/10/2006 07:54:44 Originally by: Kaemper Even if it doesnt sound like it, i dont 'hate' BoB. Im just tired of your never ending forumw***ing. In any case have fun down there. Win on the battlefield, not the forums. Thats really a funny thing to say..... seems like you really hate how some people actually enjoy the banter on the forums... Its weird because.. the reality is that wars are won on the battlefield but the stories about them are told on the forums....ofc who wins the battles and the subsequent stories about them.. will have an effect on future battles. You can't win a war by forum alone without winning battles... however there is no more effective way of winning a war than by winning battles and retelling them on the forums. BoB or ASCN coming on to the forums and telling us of their victories or whatever, is just human nature... if you don't like the forums and what gets told on them, you are really missing out on one of the most interesting of EVE's dimensions. Your loss I guess.. but then attacking those that do enjoy the exchanges that happen here.. is absurd.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:16:00 - [204] Originally by: Dianabolic I've never ever in my life ever taxed a friend or sold them an overpriced shuttle... . . . honest. You would charge alliance members a toll to use the gates in NOL if the game mechanic let you. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:50:00 - [205] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Dianabolic I've never ever in my life ever taxed a friend or sold them an overpriced shuttle... . . . honest. You would charge alliance members a toll to use the gates in NOL if the game mechanic let you. I'd laugh if it wasn't for the fact that you're right. --------------------
Kaemper Gallente Itchy logistics	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:53:00 - [206] Edited by: Kaemper on 30/10/2006 08:54:36 Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/10/2006 07:54:44 Thats really a funny thing to say..... seems like you really hate how some people actually enjoy the banter on the forums... Its weird because.. the reality is that wars are won on the battlefield but the stories about them are told on the forums....ofc who wins the battles and the subsequent stories about them.. will have an effect on future battles. You can't win a war by forum alone without winning battles... however there is no more effective way of winning a war than by winning battles and retelling them on the forums. BoB or ASCN coming on to the forums and telling us of their victories or whatever, is just human nature... if you don't like the forums and what gets told on them, you are really missing out on one of the most interesting of EVE's dimensions. Your loss I guess.. but then attacking those that do enjoy the exchanges that happen here.. is absurd. If you read my post carefully you will see that what im objecting to is not the general posting on the forums. If i didnt like that, i wouldnt be writing in here at all would i? :) What i (and i have the impression im not alone?) am objecting to, are the overly distorted versions of events regularly being depicted on these forums by different entities (BoB in my view being the worst - or at least they were b4 the forums rules got changed about alts posting). While some subjectivity is always to be expected some deliberately use the 'media' (the forums in this case) to try to give the masses a certain image of events. Make enough ppl believe something to be true, even if it isnt, can be a powerfull tool. I hope i dont have to point out to what end this can be used. If so i suggest u redo ur history classes :) (no offense intended there btw) Im sure u dont believe everything the tabloids write either. As said - i dont rly know what has happened down south, but given BoB's forumposting trackrecord i very much doubt SirMolles depictions are accurate. I wont bother trying to disprove them either. As i see it, given that Molle is the one posting, its BoB who have the burden of proof, even if they (as always) try to shove this on to the ppl 'daring' to be skeptics, in an attempt to keep ppl occupied and attension on BoB. Lol by replying here again i suppose im actually helping them.. oh noes! /me shuts up now :D
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:57:00 - [207] Originally by: Kaemper We both know that if i actually didnt have anything better to do, i would be able to find propably hundreds of threads in which BoB or the numerous alts post a wishfull/distorted picture of some event. We also both know that most ppl cant be bothered looking up all the insidents and even if i did, it would only revive old discussions about 'what happened and what didnt' which is the exact thing BoB is and have always been going for. Spew out propaganda with partial truths and keep ppl arguing arguing about it. Repeat ur distorted version enough and "some" might start believing it. Its propaganda and spin 101. BoB arent the only ones doing it in this game by far. BoB are just the ones doing it the most, without comparison, which has left me cautious about believing much of anything BoB is saying on the forums. But please start convincing me otherwise. Even if it doesnt sound like it, i dont 'hate' BoB. Im just tired of your never ending forumw**ing. Translation: "I really wish I could provide proof, but since I can't, I'll try to fib my way through. Everyone! Please believe me when I say BoB is lying... I really want you to. Please, please, please believe me... I know I can't provide proof, but it should be enough that I say so.... beg" Either provide proof, or stfu. When we claim we've killed 1000+ BS, we back it up with KB stats. When we say we've taken two ASCN systems, it's easily confirmed by looking at the map. When we claim the ASCN leadership is lying, we back it up with copies of their blog's/moral preachings. So come on. PROVE your claims! However, it'll not be easy for you because we know one fact the ASCN leadership can't seem to grasp: "The best propaganda is the truth!" My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.*
Kaemper Gallente Itchy logistics	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:08:00 - [208] Originally by: Tzrailasa Translation: "I really wish I could provide proof, but since I can't, I'll try to fib my way through. Everyone! Please believe me when I say BoB is lying... I really want you to. Please, please, please believe me... I know I can't provide proof, but it should be enough that I say so.... beg" wishfull thinking 4tl there Tzr. trouble is we both know i dont have to beg ppl to believe me.. BoB already have a rep for posting jibberish - thats what happens when you overdo it fortunately. so im merely stating a well known concensus. but as said.. if BoB have dropped their propaganda ways, then im all thumbs up. but for now im still a skeptic. but im just one guy, so why would you care...? ;)
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:11:00 - [209] Edited by: LUKEC on 30/10/2006 09:11:35 Originally by: Kaemper ... so why would I care...? ;) Maybe because your non-forum posting alts do? Remove citadel torpedo flashes!
fightnkill	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:15:00 - [210] Edited by: fightnkill on 30/10/2006 09:16:49 Edited by: fightnkill on 30/10/2006 09:16:04 gratz towards BoB on getting (Or is in process of controling) Paragon Soul and For ASCN, good luck next time. I wonder if Paragon Soul is BoB's foothold in invading the Eastern side of Eve? First target for BoB would be ASCN and Axe, Second is Lotka Volterra Third would be Chimaera Pact Fourth would be Knights of Southerncross And Lastly, there will be a Final showdown between BoB and the Red Alliance + GS. Btw, RA & Goonswarm is expanding rapidly towards West. I'm thinking that maybe the Zone between those 2 powers will eventually become a Huge battlefield for the control of Southern Eve? Just my thoughts
Kaemper Gallente Itchy logistics	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:23:00 - [211] Edited by: Kaemper on 30/10/2006 09:23:46 Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 30/10/2006 09:11:35 Maybe because your non-forum posting alts do? lets hope so fight the power (in this case forumw***ing power )
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:29:00 - [212] Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Rainbow Jesus How about: Nice Region, We'll Take It. Said by DB Preacher originally, if I'm not totally mistaken. Nope that wasn't me. Far too direct for my posting, I'm more a "here's some stats and a witty title" type of poster :P P.S. I'll let you into a secret as to why we are winning this. Our leaders fight from the front, organise everything 1st hand, take their defeats personally and know exactly what is going on. ASCN leaders demand 500 man gangs to simply materialise out of thier ass, aren't available to run them 99% of the time and simply don't know wtf is going on. We will win because the leaders in BoB are leading. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:55:00 - [213] Damn, is it point by point what happened with ATUK vs Xetic or am I dreaming ? SirMolle wrote facts that can be easly checked. The number of ASCN pilots posting here and crying for propaganda proves that they mistaken, however, we would see a massive incomming of answers. Anyway, to those who laugh and say "affraid what? lamo", well you better start to be affraid, open your eyes and react. You are at the exact same point with Xetic 1 week after war declaration with ATUK. Now, you can choose their path or pray for a miracle. To those who say that they are learning and every fight give them lessons improving their combat skills. Well it's cool if BoB schooling you, but will you learn fast enough ? ____________________________________ omgfrenchpwntbh you are in teh pod.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:58:00 - [214] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 30/10/2006 10:04:20 Originally by: Kaemper wishfull thinking 4tl there Tzr. trouble is we both know i dont have to beg ppl to believe me.. BoB already have a rep for posting jibberish - thats what happens when you overdo it fortunately. so im merely stating a well known concensus. but as said.. if BoB have dropped their propaganda ways, then im all thumbs up. but for now im still a skeptic. but im just one guy, so why would you care...? ;) And again.... "I BEG you to believe me because I say so" No proofs, nothing but empty accusations and claims ('well known concensus' ).... Again, SHOW where we're misrepresenting the truth! Did we not kill 1000+ ASCN battleships? Did we not take 2 ASCN systems with close to no resistance? Are Cyvok/McCready not using all the old, tired excuses of 'hax', 'GM's, 'sploits etc.? Some people who're unfriendly to us might, as you say, 'know us having a rep for posting jibberish', but that is merely because they don't like the facts we're posting. "The best propaganda is the truth!" (and we don't need to lie, in contrast to some other alliance I can mention cough) My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:14:00 - [215] Originally by: Oratu Edited by: Oratu on 29/10/2006 23:45:39 It seems that either people are surmising (assuming) we have 5000 members or that ascn have told them this number and neglected to to also include the fact that by 5000 they mean alts aswell... regards Speaking of 5000 members. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I just couldn't resist. òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Shinoobie E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:19:00 - [216] Originally by: SirMolle Much has been said of this war. Much has been said of what BoB are, what BoB does, what BoB doesn't. The sins attributed to BoB, they say, are beyond all doubt. The best strategies are often the simplest. When Band of Brothers announced it was going to war without stating details, there was much speculation and assumption made on all sides; often at the neglect of logic. In a great effort to make well on their motto, ASCN leadership employed the tools of hate and fear - crying of every foul in the book. And in the process of demonizing us theyÆve also supplied two fundamental parameters to our mighty war machine: Who? Why? In attacking ASCN, we fully expected to pay a dear price. An irresistible force versus an immovable object, perhaps. It is with great distaste that we found the first reaction of ASCN to our assault was immediate and unseemly panic. If there is anything apparent in this war so far, it is that ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance. Upon the reptilian wings of this fear fly the spectres that are so vivid, that there often is no recourse but to deny reality and cling to illusions. It is the slow march of madness that follows next. A madness that strikes out at phantoms in all directions, mistaking them for manifestations of the fear in their minds. Yet the very source of the darkness lies clearly in front of them. They are just unwilling to face it. Fear is the mind killer. GQ2 and H8-ZTO are ours now. They are the price you pay for believing that dividing a disorganized force and carrying out attacks with no purpose is a superior strategy to dealing with the inadequacies of your fleet. The division of your forces has only served to our benefit, as your various groups will then enjoy a mix of inconsequential victories and horrendous losses. Being goverened by the fear of taking responsibility for a focused effort, your High Command has chosen instead to cleave deep gashes in your ranks. Who is to blame now for the loss of GQ2 and H8-ZTO? Who shall take responsibility? You have lost Paragon Soul. The name itself symbolic in that BoB is now as a paragon of the soul of war, fighting a leviathan that has no spirit. BoB does not trifle with unfocused attacks, we go straight for the throat. On the other hand ASCN has only made enemies of alliances that were not even part of this conflict. The month long fray which saw the destruction of one thousand battleships, more than a dozen capitals, and over one hundred billion ISK worth of enemy assets is a drop in the ocean. Its greatest casualty was our expectation. Under threat of invasion, Ascendant Frontier would sooner chase phantom threats than face it head on. Marked by degrading fleet performance, would rather hire mercenaries than properly equip its own. Unable to unite on home turf, would choose sentenced death on the enemyÆs to save face. Unable to admit defeat, would continue to write fiction for excusing it. The great sorrow in this war is that there are numerous members in ASCN that have shown the spirit to fight, yet are left hanging without support. The losses are not out of a lack of valor on the part of those in the front lines, but the lack of sensibility in those that give directions. Yet those alone are not harmful. What is harmful is that those deficiencies are coupled with a fear of accepting the need for improvement, fear for accepting the bewilderment of strategy, fear for being found wanting. Your warriors are ill served, and they fall vainly on the field of battle. Stop pretending to hit us, and hit us. For if you do not, then may the gods of EVE help you, because we have not yet begun to fight. We shall give you better reasons to see us as demons. The Pendulum is still swinging. Molle, Where did you get yours, as I got mine at discount at Amazon.com..... Special Offer Elite Scouting
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:37:00 - [217] The funny thing is that you get loads of people coming here claiming that we post lies. Grand lies in every direction. Everything we have ever posted has been a lie. But when the time comes and they need to bring proof to the table the change the subject. Your sauce is weak. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:38:00 - [218] Originally by: Kaemper Originally by: Tzrailasa Translation: "I really wish I could provide proof, but since I can't, I'll try to fib my way through. Everyone! Please believe me when I say BoB is lying... I really want you to. Please, please, please believe me... I know I can't provide proof, but it should be enough that I say so.... beg" wishfull thinking 4tl there Tzr. trouble is we both know i dont have to beg ppl to believe me.. BoB already have a rep for posting jibberish - thats what happens when you overdo it fortunately. so im merely stating a well known concensus. but as said.. if BoB have dropped their propaganda ways, then im all thumbs up. but for now im still a skeptic. but im just one guy, so why would you care...? ;) I dislike BoB's forum attitide too, but they are not lying here. They did kill 1000 BS, they have taken two stations. Anything else they claim such as ASCN being on its knees yadda yadda, take with a huge pinch of salt. But they are perfectly entitled to say 'we are winning' even if they do it in such overblown and pretentious ramblings.
Edmund Khan Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:45:00 - [219] He he, the usual banter. You have your view of things, we have ours. It's the battle of two worlds. We all knew this will happen, because our two worlds are colliding. Some facts about our alliances. ASCN (taken mainly from ASCN members posts in this thread) - not a PVP alliance - peaceful carebears (miners, NPCers, missions runners, traders, builders) - you want a peaceful 0.0 empire with own infrastructure - not offensive, PVP only when needed - you enjoy in politics, relations, peace BOB - PVP alliance - we also make money with NPC, missions, mining, but with our alts in our free time, to replace equipment - we can't stand an alliance living in peace for to long (xetic, PA...) - we're very offensive alliance - we enjoy PVP (yarr!) Lets say BOB has a player ratio pvp:carebear 80:20, ASCN 20:80 (made up numbers, just for example). We have 1600 members, you have 5000. Taking the ratio, we have 1280 full time pvpers, while you have 1000. We have the will to be on the front lines, you need to force your members to do so. We are skilled and this is what we do best, we have many very good FCs. ASCN on the other hand, doesn't have too many skilled pvpers, not that experienced leaders. You notice the pendulum leaning to one side? OK, lets bring your biggest argument, the logistics. If your logistics is ten times better than ours and you have ten times the reserve we have - what does this mean? Nothing. We have a kill ratio of 10:1, that makes it pretty even. You have to replace ten times the losses we need to. Pretty simple logic. And believe me, your logistics are not ten times better than ours. You will argue this numbers, but we see the killboards, we post our losses, we are used to loosing ships in PVP. And you can say that you have much reserve and replacement ships, but you can't tell me that BS losses doesn't hurt you. Don't take this as flaming. Simply the way i see it. It will be interesting to see who wins this war, combat or logistics. Thanks for reading and please stop spamming with brainless comments and come fight.
Shinoobie E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 11:03:00 - [220] Originally by: Edmund Khan You notice the pendulum leaning to one side? I thought Molle said the pendulum was still swinging? Elite Scouting
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 11:18:00 - [221] Originally by: Shinoobie Originally by: Edmund Khan You notice the pendulum leaning to one side? I thought Molle said the pendulum was still swinging? Lots of momentum in it. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.30 11:22:00 - [222] Very eloquent original post. very nice. KIA EVE Home
Doc Nefarious Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 11:30:00 - [223] G'day All WoW cool post SirMolle... BoB own Paragon soul..?? cool wHow long until they own cyvok's dread complete with his personal belonging's.. hehe.. BoB aren't bad guy's at all they are very friendly alliance just as long as you don't upset them you will be fine. Cyvok made a post threatening BoB and was dam near lucky sel didn't go for him as well considering he outright accused him of war plotting. BoB did this operation on there own without help because of there leadership's somewhat infallible war strategie's U haft to take your hat off to the generals' of BoB on that 1. In conclusion good work BoB & also like to say courageous work on behalf of the ascn underdog's although there leadership was awol they still did there duty and fought well so i hear. IS this end of ASCN ? who know's ""But if you surrender now they may let you rat in paragon soul"" lol. but as i said if you treat them with respect maybe they'll consider leaving you some territory.. That is not an opening for a flame war it is a fact and in all fairness i am being considerate of the loyal peep's who died fighting with an absent leadership. Also on another note just wanted to sy to the MC master's of system lockdown ty for letting us come on an op with you Joining FIX (BA) corp and getting the chance to serve pvp warlord's is will alway's be some of the best moment's in my time in eve so thankyou for that honour. A special note to ANZAC corp my former home.. Sorry you guy's got beaten on behalf of Cyvok but you were all prepared and now have the experience and honour of fighting BoB on the brightside. Good luck with your endevour's in eve. Thank's everyone in EVE for giving me an intense, intelligent multicultured space strategy game But.. if you are not an allie of me don't even think about getting close.... I BITE KK my post is long enough now so END.
Bretonia Gallente Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:06:00 - [224] I cannot express in words what I feel like in words so a song will do it... At first I was afraid I was petrified Kept thinkin' I could never live without BOB by my side; But then I spent so many nights Thinkin' how you did me wrong And I grew strong And so you're back from outer Delve I just walked in to find you here with that Mad look upon your face I should have changed that stupid Gate I should have made you leave your Pod If I'd've known for just one second you'd back to bother us Go on now, go walk out the Region Just turn around now ('cause) you're not welcome anymore Weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye Did I crumble Did you think I'd lay down and die? Oh no, not.I. ASCN will survive Oh as long as I know how to love BOB know we will stay alive; I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give and ASCN will survive, We will survive. Hey hey. It took all the strength we had not to fall apart BOB Kept trying' hard to mend the pieces of my broken heart, And HC & I spent oh so many nights Just feeling sorry for myself. we used to cry But now we hold our heads up high And you see us somebody new I'm not that chained up little person still in love with you, And so you feel like droppin' in And just expect me to be free, Now I'm savin' all my lovin' for someone who's lovin' me Go on now.. go..walk out of here I am telling my mommy ur bullying me YARR!! Gratz Bob good work and all. See you out there YOurs Bret ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:22:00 - [225] Originally by: Edmund Khan good post A lot of this is true I think. Essentialy I would say ASCN probably has about twice as many active members as BoB, but with probably half the level of commitment to the game. So what does this say really? That the biggest and most hardcore pvp alliance in the game is able to defeat in battle a larger but more spread out and less focused industrial alliance? Its hardly the stuff of legends is it? If I was you guys I would be talking us up not putting us down
Ibrich	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:37:00 - [226] Edited by: Ibrich on 30/10/2006 12:37:08 darn it, wrong char again.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:41:00 - [227] Edited by: Gariuys on 30/10/2006 12:41:48 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Kaemper Originally by: Tzrailasa Translation: "I really wish I could provide proof, but since I can't, I'll try to fib my way through. Everyone! Please believe me when I say BoB is lying... I really want you to. Please, please, please believe me... I know I can't provide proof, but it should be enough that I say so.... beg" wishfull thinking 4tl there Tzr. trouble is we both know i dont have to beg ppl to believe me.. BoB already have a rep for posting jibberish - thats what happens when you overdo it fortunately. so im merely stating a well known concensus. but as said.. if BoB have dropped their propaganda ways, then im all thumbs up. but for now im still a skeptic. but im just one guy, so why would you care...? ;) I dislike BoB's forum attitide too, but they are not lying here. They did kill 1000 BS, they have taken two stations. Anything else they claim such as ASCN being on its knees yadda yadda, take with a huge pinch of salt. But they are perfectly entitled to say 'we are winning' even if they do it in such overblown and pretentious ramblings. Overblown and pretentious serves a purpose. It's all part of the "game" and BoB's damn good at the game. This kinda threads are so much fun to read. Especially the whole "BoB are lyers" kinda comments. Spin doctors they are, but they tend to get their facts right. EDit: spin doctors is the wrong words... Clever in how they present those facts is probably a better way of putting it. Whatever you call it, fact is that it works. ;-)
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:45:00 - [228] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Edmund Khan good post A lot of this is true I think. Essentialy I would say ASCN probably has about twice as many active members as BoB, but with probably half the level of commitment to the game. So what does this say really? That the biggest and most hardcore pvp alliance in the game is able to defeat in battle a larger but more spread out and less focused industrial alliance? Its hardly the stuff of legends is it? If I was you guys I would be talking us up not putting us down I refer thee to the quote in my signature. That was said by your allianceleader when this all started. His visions of grandeur is what we are putting down. The fact that he cant say, "sorry guys, I miscalculated abit, lets try a new strategy cos the one we are doing now obviously isnt working" is also something we are putting because of. It also seems like its your fault now that you lost stations in Paragon Soul. Originally by: CYVOK We knew were going to lose stations if we stopped trying to take BoB space in Period Basis, but this is what you guys wanted. Now we have a war on our door step and plenty of targets to kill. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:51:00 - [229] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/10/2006 21:42:53 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Nez Perces You cannot hope to win a war without ever defeating the enemy on the battlefield. Its simply not possible... whichever way you look at it. Not true. I've fought a war and lost every single fight without exception and still won the war rather easily. /waves to smash. hi Emperor! ... hmm k this sounds intriguing.. could you give us some more details? How do you win a military war without winning any battles on the field? I for the life of me can't think of a way to accomplish this. I'll drop you an eve mail in game when I get back from picking my roommate up at the airport. I'd also be very interested to read about this, would appreciate if its still possible to get a copy ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:53:00 - [230] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Edmund Khan good post A lot of this is true I think. Essentialy I would say ASCN probably has about twice as many active members as BoB, but with probably half the level of commitment to the game. So what does this say really? That the biggest and most hardcore pvp alliance in the game is able to defeat in battle a larger but more spread out and less focused industrial alliance? Its hardly the stuff of legends is it? If I was you guys I would be talking us up not putting us down You what alliances which dont specialize in pvp or just are unable to defend their space do? -They rent the space from someone who can defend it, and in exchange help develop it further, and utilize its resources. Dont whine about mighty pvp alliance taking your space, if you are unable to defend it, just make a deal to rent it from them, once the war finished But of course, you burn that bridge as well, when you blame them of cheating, being GMs etc ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:05:00 - [231] Edited by: Dawn Princess on 30/10/2006 13:08:49 meh forget it i am not getting drawn into your spiral of forum smacktardishness
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:07:00 - [232] Edited by: Dawn Princess on 30/10/2006 13:09:14 As above.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:11:00 - [233] Originally by: Dawn Princess I think that ASCN generally does a decent job of defending its space and as I said, if we fail to defend it from the self proclaimed premier alliance in all of EVE then its hardly a terrible defeat is it? Its like losing the world cup final to Brazil, its no shame to lose, but if you win, imagine the glory. wow.. thats fighting talk huh... go get 'em girl if BoB don't behave themselves you can hit Molle with your Barbie... If you are characteristic of the ASCN mindset atm... just LOL, you are so dead its unreal.
Coupo Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:15:00 - [234] Originally by: Bretonia SONG If you can record yourself or get someone else to sing that, ill play it on bobonair. Just evemail me in game if youre intrested, if not dont worry :) I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:16:00 - [235] Originally by: Audrea if you are unable to defend it, just make a deal to rent it from them, once the war finished ASCN charge more "rent" than i've ever even heard of anyone else doing.. titan's dont come cheap (not to mention garthering the extra 25 billion for a couple of small merc corps seems quite alot also) >: )
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:28:00 - [236] Originally by: Dawn Princess (before regretting it) I think that ASCN generally does a decent job of defending its space and as I said, if we fail to defend it from the self proclaimed premier alliance in all of EVE then its hardly a terrible defeat is it? Its like losing the world cup final to Brazil, its no shame to lose, but if you win, imagine the glory. And this is where we disagree! I don't intend in any way to mean this as a flame or blame, but when we took your two stations saturday AND sunday, there was next to NO resistance. We had dreads going most of saturday after downtime and some of sunday, and there was (iirc, afaik) ONE half-hearted attempt to fighter-bomb a dread. The pilots comment when asked if he needed help was something like 'Nah, they're not even scratching me'. This was during the prime gaming time (weekends where both euro and US can be online), and there was no meaningful resistance. Basically, you're NOT defending yourself, and THAT is what we're so disappointed about, and why we flame. In the instances where ASCN has actually shown up fitted for decent fights, and where we've had the fights, I've seen plenty of 'good fights' in local, and very few (if any) flaming about it afterwards on the forum. It's when we see 1+ year pilots attacking us in T1 frigs/cruisers that we start flaming, because it denies us a good fight that both you and we could enjoy. As Molle so correctly said 'Stop pretending to hit us, and hit us!'. If you give us decent fights, that'll stop a lot of the flaming. To take up your football analogy. You're loosing to Brazil by not showing up, or at best showing up with a team of three 10-year olds! (note, I'm not calling your pilots 10-year olds, but merely fitting the ships used into the football analogy) My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Ian Novarider Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:37:00 - [237] Originally by: Bretonia I cannot express in words what I feel like in words so a song will do it... At first I was afraid I was petrified Kept thinkin' I could never live without BOB by my side; But then I spent so many nights Thinkin' how you did me wrong And I grew strong And so you're back from outer Delve I just walked in to find you here with that Mad look upon your face I should have changed that stupid Gate I should have made you leave your Pod If I'd've known for just one second you'd back to bother us Go on now, go walk out the Region Just turn around now ('cause) you're not welcome anymore Weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye Did I crumble Did you think I'd lay down and die? Oh no, not.I. ASCN will survive Oh as long as I know how to love BOB know we will stay alive; I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give and ASCN will survive, We will survive. Hey hey. It took all the strength we had not to fall apart BOB Kept trying' hard to mend the pieces of my broken heart, And HC & I spent oh so many nights Just feeling sorry for myself. we used to cry But now we hold our heads up high And you see us somebody new I'm not that chained up little person still in love with you, And so you feel like droppin' in And just expect me to be free, Now I'm savin' all my lovin' for someone who's lovin' me Go on now.. go..walk out of here I am telling my mommy ur bullying me YARR!! Gratz Bob good work and all. See you out there YOurs Bret Priceless, Bret, PRICELESS ! Come on ... lets sing the ASCN version of "Dont bring me down" by ELO or "Another BoB bites the dust" by Queen ! Have fun - we do Ian . Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:48:00 - [238] Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/10/2006 13:48:08 Originally by: Ian Novarider Priceless, Bret, PRICELESS ! Come on ... lets sing the ASCN version of "Dont bring me down" by ELO or "Another BoB bites the dust" by Queen ! Have fun - we do Ian ... on ancient earth, when a passenger ship was sinking, it was customary to have the brass band play on ... apparently it helped to deal with the inevitable...
Viscount Hood British Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:51:00 - [239] I'm looking forward the next Alliance map update to see the shifting colours and patterns. ------------------------------------------------
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:52:00 - [240] [Lies propaganda and what not] It's amusing to see that so many ppl can be brainwashed in a game, kudos to you CYVOK, McCreedy and all the other ppl in the "High Command". I'm pretty jelaous to say the least I also find it a bit amasing that I was part of the creation of ASCN and now the destruction. ASCN was forged in war and sold their souls to ATUK/.5. and now we have come to collect them one by one... [/Lies propaganda and what not] You Will Cry My Name
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:53:00 - [241] Edited by: Noluck Ned on 30/10/2006 13:55:48 The dice are rolling all over the South and East. When the dust settles we will see who and what is left standing. F4T4L is Recruiting!
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 14:14:00 - [242] What I can't really understand is how hard it is to say this: "Well chaps, it seems we're in quite a bind here. I'm not really sure I know what to do about it, and I don't think we've ever prepared a real plan for something like this. First things first: who's got any realistic ideas of what exactly our enemies are after? Next: who's got an idea of what we need to do? Third: how many of you are willing to commit x hours of your time to deal with this? Fourth: who's going to be in charge of what? Fifth: where are we hurting the most?" Or something like that. You get the idea. That's infinitely better than: "I am confident that my strategy to defeat BoB is sound. This is a chess game between me and them that I intend to win." Or "Your task is simple: kill BoB. I want 500 people online and in the gang killing BoB on Sunday. PS: I'll be away till Monday" The violent resistance shown against any suggestion that HC is anything but infallible is scary. It's almost as if the belief is that "since BoB are pointing out leadership mistakes, then therefore our leadership is making no mistakes!" Maybe that's even playing a factor in the perception of form: "we're good people, therefore BoB are bad people!" It's always black or white, no allowance for shades of gray. It's almost like blind fanaticism: we can do anything if we try! If we refuse to believe we're doing badly, we aren't doing badly! Since I've already shamelessly used many cliches here, I'll offer up one more: your emperor has no clothes.
Swirler	Posted - 2006.10.30 14:15:00 - [243] BoB - Face it, you're only attacking ASCN because it's the biggest threat to you. You sit back in your regions, getting fat on resources, and just need to wobble out and puke on someone every now and then, like some crazed Roman of old. You're like a pimp, selling systems to corporations to use. Those corporations are just your weak meat-shields, if they had any balls, they would take the space from you. So go ahead, get in your big BoB Blobs, waddle around and sit your fat butt on some systems. I dare you to go by equal number fleets. Send a challenge to your foes. 20vs20, 50vs50, bring your best, and let's see who wins. You're like Goonswarm, without your numbers, you suck. 8-)
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.10.30 14:18:00 - [244] You know, Swirler, what'd be cool is that a mod came and gave us your main name. Wouldn't that be a nice little laugh for everyone here, ASCN included? A shame they won't. Pathetic post from a spineless coward, yet another one in this board. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 14:20:00 - [245] Hmm yes switler, seeing how you're not a coward obviously, you are presumably in our space taking it from us right now aren't you ? Oh, and may i laugh at your suggest of numbers ? If ASCN proposed to fight for their stations by doing 20v20 duels we'd have them all by the end of today. Old blog
Tjakka KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.30 14:22:00 - [246] Originally by: Swirler BoB - Face it, you're only attacking ASCN because it's the biggest threat to you. You sit back in your regions, getting fat on resources, and just need to wobble out and puke on someone every now and then, like some crazed Roman of old. You're like a pimp, selling systems to corporations to use. Those corporations are just your weak meat-shields, if they had any balls, they would take the space from you. So go ahead, get in your big BoB Blobs, waddle around and sit your fat butt on some systems. I dare you to go by equal number fleets. Send a challenge to your foes. 20vs20, 50vs50, bring your best, and let's see who wins. You're like Goonswarm, without your numbers, you suck. 8-) Afaik BoB have less then ASCN And goonswarm are notwhere near same as BoB any why you taking goonswarm into this topic? just cos you getting owned by T1 frigs and cruisers nothing they can do about it. and get your corp/ally under your name my dear LV smacktard
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 14:31:00 - [247] Originally by: Swirler BoB - Face it, you're only attacking ASCN because it's the biggest threat to you. You sit back in your regions, getting fat on resources, and just need to wobble out and puke on someone every now and then, like some crazed Roman of old. You're like a pimp, selling systems to corporations to use. Those corporations are just your weak meat-shields, if they had any balls, they would take the space from you. So go ahead, get in your big BoB Blobs, waddle around and sit your fat butt on some systems. I dare you to go by equal number fleets. Send a challenge to your foes. 20vs20, 50vs50, bring your best, and let's see who wins. You're like Goonswarm, without your numbers, you suck. 8-) This is probably the most ill concieved, bitter and plainly idiotic post i have ever read. Cant fight without a blob, won't fight unless even and not outnumbered or whatever. I think you are playing a diferent game mate becasue the BoB i know and fly with are great people who arent afraid to fight, even if we lose. People have said for ages that ascn could never be defeated etc etc, now we go for them, its because of fear or something. Eh? Maybe it was becasue we wanted a challenge with the biggest and most entrenched alliance in the game. Yes mate, it will be a walkover. You just sound like a bitter armchair general who thinks they know it all becasue there mum's friend told you something once, sheesh Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.30 14:39:00 - [248] Originally by: Swirler BoB - Face it, you're only attacking ASCN because it's the biggest threat to you. You sit back in your regions, getting fat on resources, and just need to wobble out and puke on someone every now and then, like some crazed Roman of old. You're like a pimp, selling systems to corporations to use. Those corporations are just your weak meat-shields, if they had any balls, they would take the space from you. So go ahead, get in your big BoB Blobs, waddle around and sit your fat butt on some systems. I dare you to go by equal number fleets. Send a challenge to your foes. 20vs20, 50vs50, bring your best, and let's see who wins. You're like Goonswarm, without your numbers, you suck. 8-) Bell rings 40mins earlier to call recess for Sally Sally disappears ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 14:58:00 - [249] Originally by: Swirler BoB - Face it, you're only attacking ASCN because it's the biggest threat to you. You sit back in your regions, getting fat on resources, and just need to wobble out and puke on someone every now and then, like some crazed Roman of old. You're like a pimp, selling systems to corporations to use. Those corporations are just your weak meat-shields, if they had any balls, they would take the space from you. So go ahead, get in your big BoB Blobs, waddle around and sit your fat butt on some systems. I dare you to go by equal number fleets. Send a challenge to your foes. 20vs20, 50vs50, bring your best, and let's see who wins. You're like Goonswarm, without your numbers, you suck. 8-) U just made my day funny thing about u post is we really dont have to try and prove u full of utter crap cause everybody can see it. its a disgrace for Minmatar
Kalissa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:10:00 - [250] Originally by: Swirler BoB - Face it, you're only attacking ASCN because it's the biggest threat to you. You sit back in your regions, getting fat on resources, and just need to wobble out and puke on someone every now and then, like some crazed Roman of old. You're like a pimp, selling systems to corporations to use. Those corporations are just your weak meat-shields, if they had any balls, they would take the space from you. So go ahead, get in your big BoB Blobs, waddle around and sit your fat butt on some systems. I dare you to go by equal number fleets. Send a challenge to your foes. 20vs20, 50vs50, bring your best, and let's see who wins. You're like Goonswarm, without your numbers, you suck. 8-) I can only go off personal experience with my fights with BoB, being a Northener in Eve I've only had a handful of meaningful fights with them but my general experience is if you have equal numbers, then BoB don't wanna know. I've heard stories of BoB engaging outnumbered but I've never seen it, as I said what I've seen with my own eyes is the opposite. BoB's strength isn't just it's raw numbers but it's members' participation in fights. Which is indeed high by all accounts. ASCN's isnt as high I don't think, I think however this will be a long war with no decisive winner for either side, but one hell of a lot of forum propaganda.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:14:00 - [251] Swirler, since you seem to be missing some vital facts, I thought it would be wise to fill you in on a few things. Originally by: Swirler BoB - Face it, you're only attacking ASCN because it's the biggest threat to you. And we want to. Originally by: Swirler You sit back in your regions, getting fat on resources No, we don't. Sometimes we carebear, but it's to support our war efforts, and it doesn't happen often. Originally by: Swirler and just need to wobble out and puke on someone every now and then Well, yeah. But one of the things about EVE is that anyone can attack anyone in 0.0 space, whenever they feel like it. Originally by: Swirler You're like a pimp, selling systems to corporations to use. Intarweb space pimps!!!! Originally by: Swirler Those corporations are just your weak meat-shields, if they had any balls, they would take the space from you. They're not meat shields. We leave them alone, they leave us alone. They have our respect, as we have theirs. Quote: So go ahead, get in your big BoB Blobs, waddle around and sit your fat butt on some systems. "Some systems" = Your space. If not now, then soon. Quote: I dare you to go by equal number fleets. Send a challenge to your foes. 20vs20, 50vs50, bring your best, and let's see who wins. You're like Goonswarm, without your numbers, you suck. In fact, we rarely outnumber the enemy in large engagements. I believe the ability to win outnumbered is one of BoB's main contributing factors. I hope this has been helpful to you Swirler, and if you have any further areas of doubt about EVE, please be sure to confirm before you post. - --------- Listen to BoB Radio!!
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:17:00 - [252] Edited by: LUKEC on 30/10/2006 15:17:39 Originally by: Swirler BoB - Face it, you're only attacking ASCN because it's the biggest threat to you. You sit back in your regions, getting fat on resources, and just need to wobble out and puke on someone every now and then, like some crazed Roman of old. You're like a pimp, selling systems to corporations to use. Those corporations are just your weak meat-shields, if they had any balls, they would take the space from you. So go ahead, get in your big BoB Blobs, waddle around and sit your fat butt on some systems. I dare you to go by equal number fleets. Send a challenge to your foes. 20vs20, 50vs50, bring your best, and let's see who wins. You're like Goonswarm, without your numbers, you suck. 8-) ROFL. Clueless r...... 4tw. 20vs40 and we still win. 50vs150 and we still win, 150 vs 400 and guess who wins? Maybe 200 t1 frigs and 20 cyvok's modified dreads that kill tower in 10minutes (or lock with his lag t1 fleet, i don't remember what knowledge he put on paper there) ... maybe just maybe they will make a change. Actually I hope they start fighting again, it's sad to see big alliance just roll over and die. Remove citadel torpedo flashes!
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:18:00 - [253] Originally by: LUKEC 150 vs 400 and guess who wins? The node loses... ^_^ - --------- Listen to BoB Radio!!
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:21:00 - [254] And I would like to direct everyone's attention to Eve-tribune to see what happens when someone tries to threaten and bias a independent news agency. It also shows the true colours of certain individuals. Originally by: John McCreedy I'm just the guy who'll hunt you to the ends of the ******* earth if you ever insult my honour again. Are we clear on that?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:21:00 - [255] Edited by: LUKEC on 30/10/2006 15:21:21 Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: LUKEC 150 vs 400 and guess who wins? The node loses... ^_^ I know... but then we use red phone and dourgent call Remove citadel torpedo flashes!
Lo3d3R Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:34:00 - [256] ~Pirates cheer for BOB ( . )( . )~ finally Xetic will be destroyed !!! ___________________ Eating Chopped Bear:
Drexciyian Benson and Hedges	Posted - 2006.10.30 16:38:00 - [257] Originally by: Nez Perces Wether BoB meant to destroy FIX or not is debatable.. personally I think they thought FIX was a worthy oponent and were more interested in beating up FA. However, for about 3 months FIX and BoB fought like clockwork every day at around 7pm (GMT) a 70-80 man BoB fleet would roll into Querious and we would fight them sometimes they won, sometimes we won. This went on for months everyday without fail. Draw your own conclusions.... [edit:typo] Truth is BoB wasnt out to wipe fix out, they were allied with FA and more importantly they actually fought and were damn fun to fight against, i dont think in my time in bob any enemy actually gained respect amonst bob's ranks like fix did
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 16:40:00 - [258] John McGreedy strikes FEAR into EvE-Tribune! I hope EvE Tribune doesn't hold any Outposts in 0.0, otherwise McGreedy might just come after them! Read this article and then this one. McGreedy, a winner is you!! >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Regma Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 16:47:00 - [259] Originally by: HostageTaker John McGreedy strikes FEAR into EvE-Tribune! I hope EvE Tribune doesn't hold any Outposts in 0.0, otherwise McGreedy might just come after them! Read this article and then this one. McGreedy, a winner is you!! heh, hilarious stuff, tbh - John getting riled up that his honour has been insulted! He really has a odd view on what honour is, have a think about this: Is condoning lag tactics honourable? is lying to your members honourable? Not much changes does it, John, you really are few sandwiches short of a picnic. --
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 16:53:00 - [260] Originally by: Tzrailasa In the instances where ASCN has actually shown up fitted for decent fights, and where we've had the fights, I've seen plenty of teamspeak spies, and smacking on the forums about inept FCs and whatnot. It's when we see 1+ year pilots attacking us in T1 frigs/cruisers that we start flaming, because it denies us a good node crash + login turkey shot that both you and we could enjoy. As Molle so correctly said the heart of your alliance is being chilled by reptilian wings of fear as the spectres of your illusions materialize themselves o_o . If you give us more free kills, that'll stop a lot of the flaming because we will be too busy waving our e-peens again. Fixed for you my friend. - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
James 315 The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:20:00 - [261] I've been enjoying the war so far, along with the artful posts you find here and there on the forums. I was a little confused by the reference to the "reptilian wings of fear", since almost no reptiles have wings. Pterodactyls, maybe? I guess "insectoid wings of fear", "bird-like wings of fear" or even "mammalian wings of fear" (bats) wouldn't have been as poetic. It would also be cool to get more of the theaters of war covered, instead of just Paragon Soul. There are lots of words you could play with. "The Period of your faulty Basis of war ends as you Delve into a Fountain of blood...It's true what they say, Queriousity killed the cat," I'm not that good at it, but you get the idea.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:23:00 - [262] tick tock - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:32:00 - [263] Originally by: pershphanie The end is near tick-tock Yes. Indeed, the end is near... -------------------------------- Spain ftw!
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:35:00 - [264] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 30/10/2006 17:36:56 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Tzrailasa In the instances where ASCN has actually shown up fitted for decent fights, and where we've had the fights, I've seen plenty of teamspeak spies, and smacking on the forums about inept FCs and whatnot. It's when we see 1+ year pilots attacking us in T1 frigs/cruisers that we start flaming, because it denies us a good node crash + login turkey shot that both you and we could enjoy. As Molle so correctly said the heart of your alliance is being chilled by reptilian wings of fear as the spectres of your illusions materialize themselves o_o . If you give us more free kills, that'll stop a lot of the flaming because we will be too busy waving our e-peens again. Fixed for you my friend. - Gob So since you can't provide any serious arguments against what I'm saying, you continue your leaders (broken) record of slander. I've kept my comments as neutral as I can while still giving the impression of what's happening that I'm seeing, and what you come back with is unfounded accusations. In all honesty, I think you're a disgrace to the majority of the good and decent members of ASCN that can play the game without retorting to the old tired excuses and accusations. For the record, I've been involved in a lot of fights against ASCN over the last month. I've never even ONCE heard any tactical info from enemy TS being used (actually I've NEVER seen this in BoB). I HAVE seen plenty of times where superior intel from our covert ops or scanner experts have enabled us to trap ASCN forces. I've also not since the starting days of the wars seen a single node crash. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've been on quite a few hours, in the last two weeks mostly during euro peak, and most of the time with the fleet, and not seen a single node crash. Again, old tired accusations and excuses. Quite simply put, you'd be better off if you realised this is a GAME, and stopped letting your hurt pride at being beaten in a GAME send you into making accusations as this. It is bad enough that (some of) your leaders are complete fools, without individual members adding to it. Stop making your alliance reputation worse than it already is by senseless accusations as this. Yeah, you're loosing! So what? The objective is to have fun while winning OR loosing. I've enjoyed the (few) decent fights I've had with ASCN, but it is bad behavior like yours that is CAUSING the flaming that you don't like. You're the flamer here, not me!!! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:44:00 - [265] + + = . Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:45:00 - [266] Some ppl understood whats going on , some are clueless , some just want to come and make stupid lame flames to cover up for their own bitterness which ofc is always fun to watch. I still have a lot of respect for the regaular ASCN foot soldiers who show on the nattlefield day in and day out and who die just due to the incompetence of their leaders and lately i have some questions for them. -Do you (ASCN memebers) still feel ur leaders are fit for the job and from all their faliures in leadership do u still trust their decisions? -Was allieng with CELES to go attack a third party outpost (Name on the outpost says Xelas for retards who say its a bob outpost) in some ass end of where the real fight thats raging in ur own home land can be described more than one of the most foolish moves ever? -Arent you guys tired from all the lies that your leaders post as "Morale boost" which contain false facts or fictional agendas that never got to see the light of day ? -Your leader has exhausted quite a chunck of resources to build up some epeen stroker called the titan and yet he only used it once in comabt killing 3 of us and 2 of ur own pilots and then never used it while our capitals and fleets were already conquering 2 of your systems ? -From all the stuff your leaders keep posting did they ever try to address the problems you guys have or even remotly poitning out that they actualy may have part in the down hill ASCN is going except from the fairy tales that they keep weaving about us beign GMS or cheating and all that useless nonesnse? These questions are only to ASCN memebers (not their leadership) whom i realy intrested to know what they think of and not disscuss wether "we r l333t" or "you guys suck " yadda yadda just trying to get a bearing of how this is going on the other side of the fence. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:49:00 - [267] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: pershphanie The end is near tick-tock Yes. Indeed, the end is near... zomg, woody is back in CME Originally by: John McCreedy I'm just the guy who'll hunt you to the ends of the ******* earth if you ever insult my honour again. Are we clear on that?
Jebidus Skari Amarr KTHNXDIE	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:51:00 - [268] Originally by: HostageTaker John McGreedy strikes FEAR into EvE-Tribune! I hope EvE Tribune doesn't hold any Outposts in 0.0, otherwise McGreedy might just come after them! Read this article and then this one. McGreedy, a winner is you!! Comedy gold!
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:53:00 - [269] Originally by: Gungankllr + + = . I don't get it, and i read the whole post.... "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:59:00 - [270] Originally by: Helplessandlost Originally by: Gungankllr Images I don't get it, and i read the whole post.... Reptilian - Wings - Fear My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:27:00 - [271] Originally by: HostageTaker John McGreedy strikes FEAR into EvE-Tribune! I hope EvE Tribune doesn't hold any Outposts in 0.0, otherwise McGreedy might just come after them! Read this article and then this one. McGreedy, a winner is you!! Of course calling one of your reader "ass-bandit", "McMoron", "McIdiot" is worth of "neutral observer" who is supposed to only state facts No, i`m not defending McCreedy. This guy can`t be defended, since with his every post he plunges more deeply in mud. But still, from my pov eve tribune just lost lots of points they gained in the past.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:42:00 - [272] Originally by: Evil Thug But still, from my pov eve tribune just lost lots of points they gained in the past. They were points well spent, imo. Completely unbiased ofc :D
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:51:00 - [273] Having been in a similar position to eve-tribune's current one (some might remember the INO and Ragnar and that stuff) I fully simphatize with their write-up. Anyone, ANYONE, even mentioning a lawyer in EVE needs 1) their heads examined and, 2) some time away from the computer. Frankly at the start of the conflict I was rooting a bit for ASCN, being the underdogs and all, but they've managed surprisingly well to change the colour of my cheerleading pompons. Way to go, ASCN! Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Guardian Gestalt eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:52:00 - [274] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I still have a lot of respect for the regaular ASCN foot soldiers who show on the nattlefield day in and day out and who die just due to the incompetence of their leaders and lately i have some questions for them -Do you (ASCN memebers) still feel ur leaders are fit for the job and from all their faliures in leadership do u still trust their decisions? -Was allieng with CELES to go attack a third party outpost (Name on the outpost says Xelas for retards who say its a bob outpost) in some ass end of where the real fight thats raging in ur own home land can be described more than one of the most foolish moves ever? -Arent you guys tired from all the lies that your leaders post as "Morale boost" which contain false facts or fictional agendas that never got to see the light of day ? -Your leader has exhausted quite a chunck of resources to build up some epeen stroker called the titan and yet he only used it once in comabt killing 3 of us and 2 of ur own pilots and then never used it while our capitals and fleets were already conquering 2 of your systems ? -From all the stuff your leaders keep posting did they ever try to address the problems you guys have or even remotly poitning out that they actualy may have part in the down hill ASCN is going except from the fairy tales that they keep weaving about us beign GMS or cheating and all that useless nonesnse? These questions are only to ASCN memebers (not their leadership) whom i realy intrested to know what they think of and not disscuss wether "we r l333t" or "you guys suck " yadda yadda just trying to get a bearing of how this is going on the other side of the fence. As a regular foot soldier in ASCN I just want to thank those members of BoB that have shown their integrity on the battlefield. On a few good occasions now I have been fortunate enough to have numerous decent engagements with these select members of BoB, who do not hesitate to post a "gf" in local and depart satisified with a battle well faught; cootoes to you all. To answer your questions in one swift stroke, we meet you at the front because at our core, we are as much a family as is BoB. You declared war on us, it is our outright duty to resist or die trying. Nothing else matters. Cheers, An opinion of a lowely footsoldier on the front.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:16:00 - [275] Originally by: SirMolle You have lost Paragon Soul. The name itself symbolic in that BoB is now as a paragon of the soul of war, fighting a leviathan that has no spirit. BoB does not trifle with unfocused attacks, we go straight for the throat. On the other hand ASCN has only made enemies of alliances that were not even part of this conflict. If you went str8 for the throat youÆd be in AZN, the heart of ASCN, instead your in a region they took from Tribal souls. But admittedly its more focus than ôlets take a xelas stationö tactics employed by ASCN. Other than that, FiX are your lapdogs and MC live in your space, so im not surprised they were set to 0.0. Originally by: SirMolle The great sorrow in this war is that there are numerous members in ASCN that have shown the spirit to fight, yet are left hanging without support. The losses are not out of a lack of valor on the part of those in the front lines, but the lack of sensibility in those that give directions. Yet those alone are not harmful. What is harmful is that those deficiencies are coupled with a fear of accepting the need for improvement, fear for accepting the bewilderment of strategy, fear for being found wanting. Your warriors are ill served, and they fall vainly on the field of battle. Funny, you were bigging up all the ASCN FcÆs 2 weeks ago, now your slating them. Now instead of telling the pilots to back up the FCÆs your admitted they are actually ôill servedö. Originally by: SirMolle Stop pretending to hit us, and hit us. Lol alright Morpheus. So tacky. Originally by: SirMolle For if you do not, then may the gods of EVE help you, because we have not yet begun to fight. We shall give you better reasons to see us as demons. Could we have God with a capital G please, show some respect. Originally by: SirMolle The Pendulum is still swinging. Heaven forbid it stop. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:16:00 - [276] Edited by: Darko1107 on 30/10/2006 19:18:52 Originally by: SirMolle Much has been said of this war. Much has been said of what BoB are, what BoB does, what BoB doesn't. The sins attributed to BoB, they say, are beyond all doubt. Sounds like your trying to write a song, talk properly. Originally by: SirMolle The best strategies are often the simplest. When Band of Brothers announced it was going to war without stating details, there was much speculation and assumption made on all sides; often at the neglect of logic. In a great effort to make well on their motto, ASCN leadership employed the tools of hate and fear - crying of every foul in the book. And in the process of demonizing us theyÆve also supplied two fundamental parameters to our mighty war machine: Who? Why? What a load of bollucks. Noone speculated or assumed that you were going to do anything other than just run at ASCN and blow them up. And thatÆs pretty much exactly what your doing. You got a slight hiccup when you offered GQ2 residents a way out 3 weeks in advanced only to be kicked in the teeth by ASCN. But as you rightfully say, that was terribly planned by ASCN and really had no chance of even slightly hurting BoB. The only fundamental parameter your ôwar machineö needs and wants is ôLOOK RED SQUARES SHOOTY SHOOTYö, not all this patriotic bull** you keep dreaming up. The ôWho?ö and ôWhy?ö donÆt stand up anyway, considering they are ASCN (carebear alliance) and the why is because you randomly decided you wanted to attack them, and they reacted the way any alliance would. But in your eyes that seems to make them the bad party. Originally by:** SirMolle In attacking ASCN, we fully expected to pay a dear price. An irresistible force versus an immovable object, perhaps. It is with great distaste that we found the first reaction of ASCN to our assault was immediate and unseemly panic. ThatÆs just a downright lie. You know you can spank ASCN around for fun, theres no chance of you paying a price, they couldnÆt take any of your space in a million years. The only failure you could possibly have is not taking x amount of space in x amount of time. Originally by: SirMolle If there is anything apparent in this war so far, it is that ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance. Upon the reptilian wings of this fear fly the spectres that are so vivid, that there often is no recourse but to deny reality and cling to illusions. It is the slow march of madness that follows next. A madness that strikes out at phantoms in all directions, mistaking them for manifestations of the fear in their minds. Yet the very source of the darkness lies clearly in front of them. They are just unwilling to face it. Fear is the mind killer. ThatÆs just dreadful, you obviously know nothing about fear. Its all a load of dramatic pretentious bull** anyway. Noone is guna go mad playing a computer game. Well, accept you, with your pendulums spoons and kitchen knives. Originally by:** SirMolle GQ2 and H8-ZTO are ours now. They are the price you pay for believing that dividing a disorganized force and carrying out attacks with no purpose is a superior strategy to dealing with the inadequacies of your fleet. The division of your forces has only served to our benefit, as your various groups will then enjoy a mix of inconsequential victories and horrendous losses. Being goverened by the fear of taking responsibility for a focused effort, your High Command has chosen instead to cleave deep gashes in your ranks. Who is to blame now for the loss of GQ2 and H8-ZTO? Who shall take responsibility? Oooo look some truth! If not worded once more asif its come str8 out of a slab of cheese. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:17:00 - [277] Well I for one hope McCreedy has a long eve-life. I mean where else can one get this kind of megalomania right out in the open just waiting to be laughed at?
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:19:00 - [278] Originally by: Lo3d3R ~Pirates cheer for BOB ( . )( . )~ finally Xetic will be destroyed !!! /me starts dancing The evil xetics will die..
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:23:00 - [279] Originally by: Darko1107 Could we have God with a capital G please, show some respect. Uhm no, he said gods plural and wasn't talking about God as in the Christian god, he wasn't naming someone he was giving them a property. So, God, Allah, Zeus, Thor are all capitalized. Demons, gods, devils, are not. That ends today's lesson on the use of proper nouns.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:27:00 - [280] Originally by: Zak Kingsman Originally by: Darko1107 Could we have God with a capital G please, show some respect. Demons, gods, devils, are not. Wait, i thought you said they SHOULDNT be capatilised? ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:28:00 - [281] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Zak Kingsman Originally by: Darko1107 Could we have God with a capital G please, show some respect. Demons, gods, devils, are not. Wait, i thought you said they SHOULDNT be capatilised? Basic grammar, dear dorko, the first letter of a sentence is always capitalised The bitterness, it doesn't suit you dorko my boy, take a deep breath.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:32:00 - [282] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Zak Kingsman Originally by: Darko1107 Could we have God with a capital G please, show some respect. Demons, gods, devils, are not. Wait, i thought you said they SHOULDNT be capatilised? Basic grammar, dear dorko, the first letter of a sentence is always capitalised ****... REALLY? What exactly is there to be bitter about? Its a computer game. + Ive kinda been in BoB... I just like to see you get all riled up Bring on Thol! ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:34:00 - [283] Originally by: Hast The funny thing is that you get loads of people coming here claiming that we post lies. Grand lies in every direction. Everything we have ever posted has been a lie. But when the time comes and they need to bring proof to the table the change the subject. Your sauce is weak. Liar Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:41:00 - [284] Dorko don't cry, it's ok. Pain is meant to be felt
M4sterm1nd DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:42:00 - [285] My participation in this thread is neither sanctioned nor requested, and my opinion does not inherently reflect those of my corp or alliance Originally by: SirMolle <AD&D ramble> /me yawns wide enough to swallow a TBM. So... now what? Or do we have to roll 20-sided dice first, to see if we are suddenly caught in darkness without a lamp and faced with a hobgoblin armed with a +3 Spiked Club? Danielle Steele + Stephen King = SirMolle Your attempts at venting the will of the Frontier through petty insults and inebriated rambling amount to nothing. Sticks and stones, as they say. Originally by: Tzrailasa Personally, I think the main difference is in the attitude and goals of the leadership of the 2 alliances. ASCN's leadership seem to think (please note that I have only their leaked blog's and morale speeches to go from) that they're great leaders, forging a mighty empire. BoB's leadership realise this is only a game, and are striving to give it's members the best gaming experience they can. In a way it can be said that ASCN was created as an empire for it's own sake, while BoB just happened as a way to structure the game experience for it's members. If you think about things in this way, it is quite easy to see why ASCN is failing. BoB pilots know that our 'leaders' are trying to give us the most fun game experience they can. That is why when we loose a ship, there is little whining, and soon the player is back in another ship. This ship will often be better fitted than the one lost since the player has learned a bit more since he fitted his last ship. An active ASCN player though, is being used to further the ambitions of ASCN and their leaders. He is loosing his ships, not for the reason of having fun in the game, but because someone else think they're forging an empire. After a few losses, he'll come back in smaller ships, and after a while, he'll not come back at all. I think this all sums it up pretty well (if a bit rambling). In a way you can say that the accusations against the BoB leaders that they're GM's are actually true. Not GM's in the EVE sense of.c., but GM's in the AD&D Game-Master way. They're not 'empire leaders', but they structure the gameplay for hundreds of players so they all have the maximum enjoyment from their subscription money. ASCN's leadership seems to think that that they ARE 'empire leaders', and that is why ASCN lost this war before it even started. --- On a completely different subject... Regarding the last couple of days fighting in GQ2 and H8-. Compliments to the ASCN pilots that showed up. You did ok with what you had, but really, climb out of those frigates and get into some BS (or cruisers at least). They're not that expensive. Also, realise that fighterbombing is a loosing tactic. It'll kill a ship here and there, but it'll never hinder us doing what we want. Now THIS is a useful post. Concrete, open, honest, unbiased, and (sad as I am to admit it) true, IMHO. I fight hard for my corp and alliance, and am proud to call myself a member of Darkstar1, not to mention ASCN, but can't say watching the wallet-whirlpool drain my cash as if I had a shoesale-happy wife, is amusing. Ships are lost to conscription rather than entertainment. I love mining, building, pos work and making money, but war I find akin to the toiling of Sisyphus. An interminable punishment that serves no cause higher than the will of another. I would never enjoy ganking or being ganked, no matter who told me to do it, but I want to be DS1 and I want to be ASCN. So I serve, and loyally so. "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee" (My sig left after Eldo called her fat) I didn't call her fat, she's just horizontally challenged -Eldo Oh MUCH better! Now you made her CRY!
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:45:00 - [286] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Dorko don't cry, it's ok. I'll try not to. You should really try harder though. Here comes the choo choo traiiiinnnn Holds up one of molles virtual spooons And i think you will find its Darko.... (jeez are you all illiterate). ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:47:00 - [287] Originally by: Zak Kingsman Well I for one hope McCreedy has a long eve-life. I mean where else can one get this kind of megalomania right out in the open just waiting to be laughed at? I seem to remember a Stain Allaince (spelled as they did) diplomat who seemed to fit this mode as well. Let's see . . . .
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:56:00 - [288] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: SirMolle The great sorrow in this war is that there are numerous members in ASCN that have shown the spirit to fight, yet are left hanging without support. The losses are not out of a lack of valor on the part of those in the front lines, but the lack of sensibility in those that give directions. Yet those alone are not harmful. What is harmful is that those deficiencies are coupled with a fear of accepting the need for improvement, fear for accepting the bewilderment of strategy, fear for being found wanting. Your warriors are ill served, and they fall vainly on the field of battle. Funny, you were bigging up all the ASCN FcÆs 2 weeks ago, now your slating them. Now instead of telling the pilots to back up the FCÆs your admitted they are actually ôill servedö. They had a month to learn from their mistakes and adapt and get at least marginally better. They have not. So, for how long exactly, in your opinion, should the avarage ASCN Joe follow them, before loosing confidence in them, and their leadership? ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:59:00 - [289] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: HostageTaker John McGreedy strikes FEAR into EvE-Tribune! I hope EvE Tribune doesn't hold any Outposts in 0.0, otherwise McGreedy might just come after them! Read this article and then this one. McGreedy, a winner is you!! Of course calling one of your reader "ass-bandit", "McMoron", "McIdiot" is worth of "neutral observer" who is supposed to only state facts No, i`m not defending McCreedy. This guy can`t be defended, since with his every post he plunges more deeply in mud. But still, from my pov eve tribune just lost lots of points they gained in the past. Agreed, any sympathy I had towards the poor journalist who had to put up with this sh1t during the interview was gone, when he started to call McCreedy by names only 6 year olds use.. Not what I would have expected from someone who strives to play a professional journalist ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:01:00 - [290] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: SirMolle The great sorrow in this war is that there are numerous members in ASCN that have shown the spirit to fight, yet are left hanging without support. The losses are not out of a lack of valor on the part of those in the front lines, but the lack of sensibility in those that give directions. Yet those alone are not harmful. What is harmful is that those deficiencies are coupled with a fear of accepting the need for improvement, fear for accepting the bewilderment of strategy, fear for being found wanting. Your warriors are ill served, and they fall vainly on the field of battle. Funny, you were bigging up all the ASCN FcÆs 2 weeks ago, now your slating them. Now instead of telling the pilots to back up the FCÆs your admitted they are actually ôill servedö. They had a month to learn from their mistakes and adapt and get at least marginally better. They have not. So, for how long exactly, in your opinion, should the avarage ASCN Joe follow them, before loosing confidence in them, and their leadership? Well i was merely commenting on molles complete back pedal compared to his previous bull**** thread about ASCN's FCs. I personally wouldnt have followed them to start with let alone continue to. But then again, i would have stepped up and lead, not ran away like a girl. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:02:00 - [291] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: HostageTaker John McGreedy strikes FEAR into EvE-Tribune! I hope EvE Tribune doesn't hold any Outposts in 0.0, otherwise McGreedy might just come after them! Read this article and then this one. McGreedy, a winner is you!! Of course calling one of your reader "ass-bandit", "McMoron", "McIdiot" is worth of "neutral observer" who is supposed to only state facts No, i`m not defending McCreedy. This guy can`t be defended, since with his every post he plunges more deeply in mud. But still, from my pov eve tribune just lost lots of points they gained in the past. Agreed, any sympathy I had towards the poor journalist who had to put up with this sh1t during the interview was gone, when he started to call McCreedy by names only 6 year olds use.. Not what I would have expected from someone who strives to play a professional journalist Maybe the journalist had a bad hair day? Yes, I tend to agree that being neutral implies you do you dead level best at trying to remain that way when threatened, attacked, etc., although I think it is completely understandable that the journalist's reaction was a bit over the top given the drivel spewing from the mouth of McCreedy.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:03:00 - [292] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: HostageTaker John McGreedy strikes FEAR into EvE-Tribune! I hope EvE Tribune doesn't hold any Outposts in 0.0, otherwise McGreedy might just come after them! Read this article and then this one. McGreedy, a winner is you!! Of course calling one of your reader "ass-bandit", "McMoron", "McIdiot" is worth of "neutral observer" who is supposed to only state facts No, i`m not defending McCreedy. This guy can`t be defended, since with his every post he plunges more deeply in mud. But still, from my pov eve tribune just lost lots of points they gained in the past. Agreed, any sympathy I had towards the poor journalist who had to put up with this sh1t during the interview was gone, when he started to call McCreedy by names only 6 year olds use.. Not what I would have expected from someone who strives to play a professional journalist I thought it was hilarious. rofl. I don't read eve tribune, but I think I will now. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:05:00 - [293] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Juan Andalusian Dorko don't cry, it's ok. I'll try not to. You should really try harder though. Here comes the choo choo traiiiinnnn Holds up one of molles virtual spooons And i think you will find its Darko.... (jeez are you all illiterate). It's ok Dorko, everything will be alright. Pain is meant to be felt
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:07:00 - [294] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Juan Andalusian Dorko don't cry, it's ok. I'll try not to. You should really try harder though. Here comes the choo choo traiiiinnnn Holds up one of molles virtual spooons And i think you will find its Darko.... (jeez are you all illiterate). It's ok Dorko, everything will be alright. Everything is fine thx for asking! Its so nice to know you care. hugz ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:15:00 - [295] We do care, Dorko, especially for those that are learning the fine form of expression that is "irony".
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:31:00 - [296] Originally by: Dianabolic We do care, Dorko, especially for those that are learning the fine form of expression that is "irony". EB: "You have absolutely no idea what irony is, have you Baldrick?" B: "Yes I have. It's just like steely and goldie, 'cept it's made of iron" What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:38:00 - [297] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: pershphanie The end is near tick-tock Yes. Indeed, the end is near... Oh noes Woodys in the thread !!@!@!@ - Ferocious FeAr > bob are****got pussies
Jonathan Fisher Galactic Security	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:52:00 - [298] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: HostageTaker John McGreedy strikes FEAR into EvE-Tribune! I hope EvE Tribune doesn't hold any Outposts in 0.0, otherwise McGreedy might just come after them! Read this article and then this one. McGreedy, a winner is you!! Of course calling one of your reader "ass-bandit", "McMoron", "McIdiot" is worth of "neutral observer" who is supposed to only state facts No, i`m not defending McCreedy. This guy can`t be defended, since with his every post he plunges more deeply in mud. But still, from my pov eve tribune just lost lots of points they gained in the past. Agreed, any sympathy I had towards the poor journalist who had to put up with this sh1t during the interview was gone, when he started to call McCreedy by names only 6 year olds use.. Not what I would have expected from someone who strives to play a professional journalist Well, please check the names below the articles, they are written by two separate people. My editor does not have my patience, which is why he avoids doing interviews, but is very good at making us submit our articles in time. - EVE Tribune -
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:54:00 - [299] Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 30/10/2006 20:55:51 Originally by: Tzrailasa So since you can't provide any serious arguments against what I'm saying, you continue your leaders (broken) record of slander. I've kept my comments as neutral as I can while still giving the impression of what's happening that I'm seeing, and what you come back with is unfounded accusations. This has nothing to do with the blogs / morale / propaganda stuff which anyway I never cared about. I am telling you that the perception of the general ASCN foot soldier is BoB as an entity couldnt give a damn about good fights, and everytime they post a "congrats nice try" its actually "thanks for the slaughter, n00bs". Blacklight himself said they will allow anything within game boundaries to win and is proud of that. I understand and accept such attitude, but when clowns like you show up and take the higher ground telling how you are only after there purest of fights, well then forgive me but it makes me chuckle. Originally by: Tzrailasa In all honesty, I think you're a disgrace to the majority of the good and decent members of ASCN that can play the game without retorting to the old tired excuses and accusations. Boo-ooh. Does it mean no ebil reptile tendrils for me? Originally by: Tzrailasa For the record, I've been involved in a lot of fights against ASCN over the last month. I've never even ONCE heard any tactical info from enemy TS being used (actually I've NEVER seen this in BoB). I HAVE seen plenty of times where superior intel from our covert ops or scanner experts have enabled us to trap ASCN forces. LOL!! Hello? The TS recordings have been even posted on this forums dude! No you are right. No teamspeak spies. Ever. Originally by: Tzrailasa I've also not since the starting days of the wars seen a single node crash. Comedy gold - stop posting now and pvp more. Any member of bob can confirm that a sh1tload of nodes crashed. Originally by: Tzrailasa I've enjoyed the (few) decent fights I've had with ASCN, but it is bad behavior like yours that is CAUSING the flaming that you don't like. You're the flamer here, not me!!! Thats rich, coming from BoB Closing, I dont have a problem with losing, but I do have a problem with people talking about stuff without actually being into the fight. - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:03:00 - [300] Gob you realize that not all bob members share the same timezone ? In theory an australian bob member might have never been in a fleet with TS relay or intel and never seen a nodecrash. Similar to a russian or an north american player. Atleast from what ive heared nodecrashes are rare in those timezones because the serverload isnt as high as in the european primetime.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:08:00 - [301] Originally by: Guardian Gestalt Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I still have a lot of respect for the regaular ASCN foot soldiers who show on the nattlefield day in and day out and who die just due to the incompetence of their leaders and lately i have some questions for them -Do you (ASCN memebers) still feel ur leaders are fit for the job and from all their faliures in leadership do u still trust their decisions? -Was allieng with CELES to go attack a third party outpost (Name on the outpost says Xelas for retards who say its a bob outpost) in some ass end of where the real fight thats raging in ur own home land can be described more than one of the most foolish moves ever? -Arent you guys tired from all the lies that your leaders post as "Morale boost" which contain false facts or fictional agendas that never got to see the light of day ? -Your leader has exhausted quite a chunck of resources to build up some epeen stroker called the titan and yet he only used it once in comabt killing 3 of us and 2 of ur own pilots and then never used it while our capitals and fleets were already conquering 2 of your systems ? -From all the stuff your leaders keep posting did they ever try to address the problems you guys have or even remotly poitning out that they actualy may have part in the down hill ASCN is going except from the fairy tales that they keep weaving about us beign GMS or cheating and all that useless nonesnse? These questions are only to ASCN memebers (not their leadership) whom i realy intrested to know what they think of and not disscuss wether "we r l333t" or "you guys suck " yadda yadda just trying to get a bearing of how this is going on the other side of the fence. As a regular foot soldier in ASCN I just want to thank those members of BoB that have shown their integrity on the battlefield. On a few good occasions now I have been fortunate enough to have numerous decent engagements with these select members of BoB, who do not hesitate to post a "gf" in local and depart satisified with a battle well faught; cootoes to you all. To answer your questions in one swift stroke, we meet you at the front because at our core, we are as much a family as is BoB. You declared war on us, it is our outright duty to resist or die trying. Nothing else matters. Cheers, An opinion of a lowely footsoldier on the front. Thank you Sir for your honest and decent reply . It is men like you and ur m8s who present them selves on the battel field who keep ASCN from falling apart how ever my view on ur leadership doesnot change and i see that worthy defenders of ASCN should have a better one my respect for the ones who fight on daily basis keeps increasing . Respect and hopefully you have fun in this fight as it is the whole point at the end of the day . "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:12:00 - [302] Edited by: LUKEC on 30/10/2006 21:13:35 Remove flashes from capital torps.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:25:00 - [303] Originally by: Dianabolic We do care, Dorko, especially for those that are learning the fine form of expression that is "irony". Keep learning. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:27:00 - [304] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Dianabolic We do care, Dorko, especially for those that are learning the fine form of expression that is "irony". Keep learning. I hope you do keep learning, dear dorko, for you have yet to find the way of the irony to match the way of your "leading and not running".
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:29:00 - [305] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Dianabolic We do care, Dorko, especially for those that are learning the fine form of expression that is "irony". Keep learning. I hope you do keep learning, dear dorko, for you have yet to find the way of the irony to match the way of your "leading and not running". Put forward a decent point and i may dignify it with an answer. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:34:00 - [306] Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Dianabolic We do care, Dorko, especially for those that are learning the fine form of expression that is "irony". Keep learning. I hope you do keep learning, dear dorko, for you have yet to find the way of the irony to match the way of your "leading and not running". Put forward a decent point and i may dignify it with an answer. It's alright boyo, one day you'll get it. Hint: Saying u'll dignify something with an answer when a point has been made kinda negates the point you're trying to make.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:38:00 - [307] Still dont see you trying to make a point. Come on, if im that thick, wont it be easy to outsmart me? Your word play is boring me. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:51:00 - [308] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 30/10/2006 21:56:07 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Load of crap.... I'll state my riposte to your (once again) silly accusations in order. For the record, my post was originally made since you were quoting a previous post of mine, but putting in silly/accusatory changes. 1. I have been in fights with ASCN in this war where chat in local afterwards were complimentary from both sides. Last one of these were 20 minutes ago against spiritslinger in LX5K-W, he killed a couple of us, including me, and we killed him. It was a good fight, and people said so afterwards in local from both sides. Please note that we don't normally give out 'good fights' unless the fights HAVE actually been good. 2. Whatever someone else says (as you accuse Blacklight of), how does that translate into that being my opinion? I'm in this game to have fun! Fun for me is having good fights, not killing baby-seals. 3. TS recordings being posted is not the same as TS info being used tactically (which was what I stated I hadn't seen). Originally by: Tzrailasa I've never even ONCE heard any tactical info from enemy TS being used (actually I've NEVER seen this in BoB) As far as I know, we use ASCN TS for laughs, not intel! 4. In the first 2 weeks of this war, I was in Asia, and I didn't see a single node crash. Since mid-october I've been playing Euro evening times + weekends when I could, and have not seen a node crash there either. I know there has been a few, but no matter what losses ASCN may have suffered lately to node crashes, they don't change the picture measurably. 5. Look me up on the BoB killboard. You'll see that I've been quite active in the last couple of weeks. Again, you tried to make a reasonably neutral post I made into exactly the same deranged accusations as is coming from the ASCN leaders. That to me indicates that you're taking this far to seriously. Please remember, this is a game! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:11:00 - [309] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Dawn Princess I think that ASCN generally does a decent job of defending its space and as I said, if we fail to defend it from the self proclaimed premier alliance in all of EVE then its hardly a terrible defeat is it? Its like losing the world cup final to Brazil, its no shame to lose, but if you win, imagine the glory. wow.. thats fighting talk huh... go get 'em girl if BoB don't behave themselves you can hit Molle with your Barbie... If you are characteristic of the ASCN mindset atm... just LOL, you are so dead its unreal. Your post does not make sense. I said we do a decent job of defending our space, which we do. Its not awesome (sometimes its terrible) but then ASCN is not a pvp alliance and we make do with what we have. The point I am making is Bob is widely accepted as the best alliance in the game. Do you not remember Slothes very good "bob is the i-win thread"? I would completely agree that if you have an alliance that only recruits 2+ year committed players then you can achieve an incredible amount in the game as bob have shown. But if you are fighting against characters that have an average of half the SP and a quarter or less of the pvp experience then its hardly pushing yourselves is it? I have gone roaming before and got a load of kills on other characters against hostile groups that are not hardcore pvpers and its fun for a while but I dont pretend that it is especially difficult to do. That is the beauty of our situation, every Bob kill we get is a sweet success and worth cheering because they are the best. As I said, if you play the best and win then its amazing, if you play the best and lose then (so long as you try) there is no shame in that. But if you are the best and you lose to those that you have said are rubbish and incompetent......
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:14:00 - [310] At least as much depends on how you lose as on against whom you do it I'd say. But what he probably meant is that the word "lose" is in your post a few too many times to support a belief that you could still win. Old blog
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:18:00 - [311] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 30/10/2006 21:56:07 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Load of crap.... I'll state my riposte to your (once again) silly accusations in order. For the record, my post was originally made since you were quoting a previous post of mine, but putting in silly/accusatory changes. 1. I have been in fights with ASCN in this war where chat in local afterwards were complimentary from both sides. Last one of these were 20 minutes ago against spiritslinger in LX5K-W, he killed a couple of us, including me, and we killed him. It was a good fight, and people said so afterwards in local from both sides. Please note that we don't normally give out 'good fights' unless the fights HAVE actually been good. 2. Whatever someone else says (as you accuse Blacklight of), how does that translate into that being my opinion? I'm in this game to have fun! Fun for me is having good fights, not killing baby-seals. 3. TS recordings being posted is not the same as TS info being used tactically (which was what I stated I hadn't seen). Originally by: Tzrailasa I've never even ONCE heard any tactical info from enemy TS being used (actually I've NEVER seen this in BoB) As far as I know, we use ASCN TS for laughs, not intel! 4. In the first 2 weeks of this war, I was in Asia, and I didn't see a single node crash. Since mid-october I've been playing Euro evening times + weekends when I could, and have not seen a node crash there either. I know there has been a few, but no matter what losses ASCN may have suffered lately to node crashes, they don't change the picture measurably. 5. Look me up on the BoB killboard. You'll see that I've been quite active in the last couple of weeks. Again, you tried to make a reasonably neutral post I made into exactly the same deranged accusations as is coming from the ASCN leaders. That to me indicates that you're taking this far to seriously. Please remember, this is a game! Ummm... you might want to look through some of the posts by your alliance mates. Several have said several times that your alliance uses TS spies to gain an advantage. Just because YOU don't know the nature of the intel your getting doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:25:00 - [312] Originally by: Rod Blaine At least as much depends on how you lose as on against whom you do it I'd say. But what he probably meant is that the word "lose" is in your post a few too many times to support a belief that you could still win. Is that not really what I have said (by the "trying" part)? I think it more likely that he was just looking to flame another one of these threads.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:27:00 - [313] Originally by: Slowboat Originally by: Tzrailasa My stuff... Ummm... you might want to look through some of the posts by your alliance mates. Several have said several times that your alliance uses TS spies to gain an advantage. Just because YOU don't know the nature of the intel your getting doesn't mean it isn't happening. I know we're getting some good intel om the enemy morale etc. from their TS, I'm not denying that. However, as for tactical information, i.e. information that can affect a battle as it is going on, I can only say that I've not heard of it being gained through spies. We have got very good co-op pilots and scanner operators, which is where we seem to get our tactical info. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:45:00 - [314] I'd just like to personally thank another one of the comedy syndicate running ASCN for giving me such an extensive chuckle this evening. Pyrex> brave ASCN you are now saved, I the valliant Sir Pyrex is here..... oh wait I'm dead already.... well that didn't go too well... Thanks for the amusement, a fine comic point made to underline your forum frothing. Quote: So while i was away fighting dumbass miner alliances, i find that bob have dropped some trash in our space? Hmmm... time for my guys to get to work. DS1 needs all able pilots, in frigs and able to work with a capital fleet. i will be loading up pos and we will start with a fullscale 1dh style attack on PS. (you remember 1dh....200 bob killed for 12 ascn right?) To the forum spies......be affraid..... we are coming for you and we wont give up until you are pushed back into your space. (oh and better check out 1dh for dreads....nol is a nice target you know.... how is that titan evol? still not finished eh?) Sirmolle has prooved once and for all that bobs players are the Evelamic fundamentalists of the game, deaththreats, forum posts showing a disconnect to real life, endless forum smack, bob are showing they have no life and how hard is it to kill that which has no life. bring it on ceo pyrex Bravo that man! Lovely fittings on your carrier btw, did you pick them up at a car boot sale? Blog
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:48:00 - [315] Originally by: Dawn Princess Is that not really what I have said (by the "trying" part)? Trying just ain't good enough... ASCN has to do... you guys need to round up your best FC's, get your pilots in their best ships and take the fight directly to the BoB fleets. When you get there fight them... perhaps you will lose... But you will learn something.... rinse and repeat until you don't have any more ships left or you have learnt what you need to learn to beat them. Don't outblob them.. match their numbers..... ASCN needs to turn into a pvp tour de force to win this war... The attitude you are projecting onto the forums.. is that you are resigned to losing against the best. ASCN still has time.... use it to learn from BoB, fight them and learn from them. ASCN seems to have the ISK, the manpower and the logistics to make mincemeat out of BoB.. it just doesn't have the willpower... it is also possible that your HC is rotten from within. If that is the case you might as well cut a deal with BoB now to become renters.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:53:00 - [316] cant believe pyrex is dead already :D And wth was that crap on your carrier... I thought you were supposed to be rich, or were you just afraid to put it on the line like the rest of your corp mates? Another leader, another mess, another bit of hilarity for the BoB members! dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:56:00 - [317] Originally by: Blacklight Quote: So while i was away fighting dumbass miner alliances, i find that bob have dropped some trash in our space? Hmmm... time for my guys to get to work. DS1 needs all able pilots, in frigs and able to work with a capital fleet. i will be loading up pos and we will start with a fullscale 1dh style attack on PS. (you remember 1dh....200 bob killed for 12 ascn right?) To the forum spies......be affraid..... we are coming for you and we wont give up until you are pushed back into your space. (oh and better check out 1dh for dreads....nol is a nice target you know.... how is that titan evol? still not finished eh?) Sirmolle has prooved once and for all that bobs players are the Evelamic fundamentalists of the game, deaththreats, forum posts showing a disconnect to real life, endless forum smack, bob are showing they have no life and how hard is it to kill that which has no life. bring it on ceo pyrex Jesus, is that man even sane ? Old blog
Zrevak Ashek The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:08:00 - [318] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Blacklight Quote: So while i was away fighting dumbass miner alliances, i find that bob have dropped some trash in our space? Hmmm... time for my guys to get to work. DS1 needs all able pilots, in frigs and able to work with a capital fleet. i will be loading up pos and we will start with a fullscale 1dh style attack on PS. (you remember 1dh....200 bob killed for 12 ascn right?) To the forum spies......be affraid..... we are coming for you and we wont give up until you are pushed back into your space. (oh and better check out 1dh for dreads....nol is a nice target you know.... how is that titan evol? still not finished eh?) Sirmolle has prooved once and for all that bobs players are the Evelamic fundamentalists of the game, deaththreats, forum posts showing a disconnect to real life, endless forum smack, bob are showing they have no life and how hard is it to kill that which has no life. bring it on ceo pyrex Jesus, is that man even sane ? hmmm..sounds like u now have 3 ASCN leaders to make fun of ..myohmy
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:10:00 - [319] Edited by: Kcel Chim on 30/10/2006 23:13:15 dunno, i would feel abit uncomfortable to take orders from a guy who has capacitor flux coils on his carrier. Atleast he didnt use basic modules.... edit: after thinking about it, Cyvok mentioned in one of his earlier blogs to use t1 gear on battleships to decrease value losses. Maybe he gave out new orders and it was extended to capital ships aswell ? :o If not, meh pls take fitting lessons before you fly a 1 bln isk beauty with craptastic mods.
CEO Pyrex DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:16:00 - [320] interesting..... people forming opinions of me, yay im famous. Can i draw to your attention to that fact that i wrote that in a private forum for the private attention of my friends who play this rather amusing game we all play in roleplay and jest. Im sure you all want to poke fun at me in all ways you can, please do so as it gives me much amusement to watch people fritter away their lives with such trivia. heres an idea, lets just play the game and leave the insults and slander to things that actually matter in real life and can CCP please give us an official statement on use of 3rd party forum material. Come talk to me at evefest anyone who wants to engage in proper adult discussion becuase this forum has been lost to all intelligence and mature behaviour for some time now. Leave me out of these forums pls im noone special CEO Pyrex
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:21:00 - [321] Originally by: CEO Pyrex interesting..... people forming opinions of me, yay im famous. Can i draw to your attention to that fact that i wrote that in a private forum for the private attention of my friends who play this rather amusing game we all play in roleplay and jest. Im sure you all want to poke fun at me in all ways you can, please do so as it gives me much amusement to watch people fritter away their lives with such trivia. heres an idea, lets just play the game and leave the insults and slander to things that actually matter in real life and can CCP please give us an official statement on use of 3rd party forum material. Come talk to me at evefest anyone who wants to engage in proper adult discussion becuase this forum has been lost to all intelligence and mature behaviour for some time now. Leave me out of these forums pls im noone special CEO Pyrex [21:00:23] CEO Pyrex > can i just say **** you for exploting this bug oh and, quite happy to buy you a beer mr Pyrex, though I fear it may be thrown back at us in your belief that we're all haxing children that apparently threaten you in real life and are banned for doing so. You remember writing that, yes?
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:23:00 - [322] Originally by: CEO Pyrex heres an idea, lets just play the game and leave the insults and slander to things that actually matter in real life and can CCP please give us an official statement on use of 3rd party forum material. Pardon? I do believe that you're the silly so and so that started with the slander and personal insults which is why you're seeing this backlash on these forums. Here, let me refresh your memory... Originally by: CEO Pyrex rabble...rabble...rabble I know i harp on about it but after that bob mother**** told me "he can find where i live and come kill me in my sleep" i realise that we are not fighting some computer game anymore, bob are fanatical with their lust for this game. To break the law and tell another human being they will kill him shows we are not fighting balanced normal people here. we are fighting the worst kind of scum on the planet.....computer geeks rabble...rabble...rabble And to the forum spies - thank you very much for making my life hell again (4th Deaththreat in game now) and making me fear for my life and my family over a MOTHER*** GAME! to ally yourself with retards who think its funny to scare people in RL....well ** you. CEO Pyrex ASCN That my chubby little friend is what landed you in this mess. Congratulations asshat.
CEO Pyrex DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:26:00 - [323] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: CEO Pyrex heres an idea, lets just play the game and leave the insults and slander to things that actually matter in real life and can CCP please give us an official statement on use of 3rd party forum material. Pardon? I do believe that you're the silly so and so that started with the slander and personal insults which is why you're seeing this backlash on these forums. Here, let me refresh your memory... Originally by: CEO Pyrex rabble...rabble...rabble I know i harp on about it but after that bob mother**** told me "he can find where i live and come kill me in my sleep" i realise that we are not fighting some computer game anymore, bob are fanatical with their lust for this game. To break the law and tell another human being they will kill him shows we are not fighting balanced normal people here. we are fighting the worst kind of scum on the planet.....computer geeks rabble...rabble...rabble And to the forum spies - thank you very much for making my life hell again (4th Deaththreat in game now) and making me fear for my life and my family over a MOTHER*** GAME! to ally yourself with retards who think its funny to scare people in RL....well ** you. CEO Pyrex ASCN That my chubby little friend is what landed you in this mess. Congratulations asshat. Such hate Why? Game. just a game. you need to calm down and stop being so insulting. I am not ASCN HC and i am not posting things for bob consumption in our own private forums that you decide to then post here for some sort of kicks. once again, calm down dear its just a commercial. CEO Pyrex
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:29:00 - [324] Well, what you do in private really is up to you. I mean, you can dress up like Alice in Wonderland and play tea party if you want. However, you need to be sure that the people you invited to that tea party will keep it secret. You can't just go around inviting everyone, you know. Also, you need to make sure no one is looking through the window by closing the shades. That's because some of us like joining parties, and looking through windows. In EVE terms, of course.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:30:00 - [325] Originally by: CEO Pyrex Such hate Why? Game. just a game. you need to calm down and stop being so insulting. I am not ASCN HC and i am not posting things for bob consumption in our own private forums that you decide to then post here for some sort of kicks. once again, calm down dear its just a commercial. CEO Pyrex It is indeed just a game, yet you feel the need to make up total rubbish about us making deaththreats irl, why is this? hmm? Really, I'd like to see an honest answer to that.
Lukom N'Sharii Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:41:00 - [326] Edited by: Lukom N''Sharii on 30/10/2006 23:43:01 Two question to Mr CEO Pyrex: 1. Do you realy think that writting such things in privat is ok ? 2. You are talking a lot about hatery, so how would you comment your brothers in arm comments on local chat just after your unfortunate carrier accident ?
Inflexible Shokei	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:49:00 - [327] Sorry for offtopic newbie question, but I have to ask. What's wrong with capacitor flux coil on carrier (assuming it is travel fitted)? I'm relatively new to the game and not capship pilot, please don't flame me - I'm just curious.
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:53:00 - [328] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 30/10/2006 20:55:51 This has nothing to do with the blogs / morale / propaganda stuff which anyway I never cared about. I am telling you that the perception of the general ASCN foot soldier is BoB as an entity couldnt give a damn about good fights, and everytime they post a "congrats nice try" its actually "thanks for the slaughter, n00bs". Blacklight himself said they will allow anything within game boundaries to win and is proud of that. I understand and accept such attitude, but when clowns like you show up and take the higher ground telling how you are only after there purest of fights, well then forgive me but it makes me chuckle. Obviously you dont understand BOB or the PVP purest mentality. Ive fought BOB in fleet battles quite a few times and nothing but kind words and good times were exchanged. Bud this is why they play the game PEW PEW. IMO that and having there finger on the I win EVE button is what makes em login. They are seasoned pilots and when they see a lesser opponent make tactical errors it probably gives them a chuckle cuz tthat means your arse. But from personal expierience BOB are good sports who really love PVP. IF winning eve were based on how much veldspar u can mine BOB would be the n00bs of the Eveverse.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:00:00 - [329] Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 00:02:04 Originally by: Manfred Sideous Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 30/10/2006 20:55:51 This has nothing to do with the blogs / morale / propaganda stuff which anyway I never cared about. I am telling you that the perception of the general ASCN foot soldier is BoB as an entity couldnt give a damn about good fights, and everytime they post a "congrats nice try" its actually "thanks for the slaughter, n00bs". Blacklight himself said they will allow anything within game boundaries to win and is proud of that. I understand and accept such attitude, but when clowns like you show up and take the higher ground telling how you are only after there purest of fights, well then forgive me but it makes me chuckle. Obviously you dont understand BOB or the PVP purest mentality. Ive fought BOB in fleet battles quite a few times and nothing but kind words and good times were exchanged. Bud this is why they play the game PEW PEW. IMO that and having there finger on the I win EVE button is what makes em login. They are seasoned pilots and when they see a lesser opponent make tactical errors it probably gives them a chuckle cuz tthat means your arse. But from personal expierience BOB are good sports who really love PVP. IF winning eve were based on how much veldspar u can mine BOB would be the n00bs of the Eveverse. Umm.. Good sports who want good fights would be allowing the enemy fleet time to log in and reform gang after a node crash (as evidenced by D2 pulling out of system when the node crashed in a recent engagement with AXE) instead of turkey shooting them as they log in. Good sports would not use TS spies to gain tactical advantage over their opponent IF they really wanted good fights. They DO use those tactics though so it is hardly evidence of them wanting good fights.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:01:00 - [330] I'm having this strange sense of Deja Vu here when it comes to posting stuff from private forums. The bottom line is the posts you guys are so happily quoting are located on a private server, meant for the private parsing by its members. I KNOW you gents and ladies can't stand the stuff that people like RA pull on a regular basis. It's within the game mechanics, so It's ok, right? I always envisioned Band of Brothers as an elite PVP force of nature that didn't have to use exploits or dirty underhanded tricks to win battles, they won because they were good at what they did in space. But the problem I have nowadays, and not just because it's you against my guys, is that everyone seems to be migrating towards these cheap tactics to win nowadays. Log on/log off traps, inifiltrated teamspeak servers, infiltrated forums, bookmark bombs, all this assorted crap is ruining this game. I'm not going to sit here and be Mr. Innocent and claim somebody in ASCN has never exploited. The size of our alliance alone makes the probability of someone doing exploits statistically sure. The question I keep asking myself, and your members, is one that keeps getting ignored. I know that my posts aren't as electrifying as some of these guys on the forums, but I'd like to think that the points are valid. If the Band of Brothers alliance is as good as they claim, why do they need all the assorted in-game and out-of game assistance when fighting us? I mean, according to you guys, and some of the Eve community, we couldn't fight our way out of a paper bag with a flamethrower and a can of gasoline. So, why? Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
simladabim	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:03:00 - [331] Originally by: Slowboat Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 00:02:04 Originally by: Manfred Sideous Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 30/10/2006 20:55:51 This has nothing to do with the blogs / morale / propaganda stuff which anyway I never cared about. I am telling you that the perception of the general ASCN foot soldier is BoB as an entity couldnt give a damn about good fights, and everytime they post a "congrats nice try" its actually "thanks for the slaughter, n00bs". Blacklight himself said they will allow anything within game boundaries to win and is proud of that. I understand and accept such attitude, but when clowns like you show up and take the higher ground telling how you are only after there purest of fights, well then forgive me but it makes me chuckle. Obviously you dont understand BOB or the PVP purest mentality. Ive fought BOB in fleet battles quite a few times and nothing but kind words and good times were exchanged. Bud this is why they play the game PEW PEW. IMO that and having there finger on the I win EVE button is what makes em login. They are seasoned pilots and when they see a lesser opponent make tactical errors it probably gives them a chuckle cuz tthat means your arse. But from personal expierience BOB are good sports who really love PVP. IF winning eve were based on how much veldspar u can mine BOB would be the n00bs of the Eveverse. Umm.. Good sports who want good fights would be allowing the enemy fleet time to log in and reform gang after a node crash (as evidenced by D2 pulling out of system when the node crashed in a recent engagement with AXE) instead of turkey shooting them as they log in. Good sports would not use TS spies to gain tactical advantage over their opponent IF they really wanted good fights. They DO use those tactics though so it is hardly evidence of them wanting good fights. But would ascn do that for bob ? I doubt it
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:05:00 - [332] Originally by: CEO Pyrex And to the forum spies - thank you very much for making my life hell again (4th Deaththreat in game now) and making me fear for my life and my family over a MOTHER***** GAME! to ally yourself with retards who think its funny to scare people in RL....well you. CEO Pyrex ASCN I wanna know then Pyrex, who was it in our ranks that made this 'threat'. If you remember anything about me from our time together in DDC you know that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES would I tolerate something like that from one of my fellow alliance members or corp members. You probably recall a certain someone making a very similiar threat to me from back in the day and how crazy I got about it. If someone in Bob, really truly threatened to kill you, then you need to tell me, cause I want nothing to do with an Alliance that tolerates that. Your welcome to evemail me or catch me ingame anytime if you don't want to answer in public. But until you provide some proof of this certain claim, you're just another lying member of an alliance I'm ashamed to have helped create. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre**
simladabim	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:06:00 - [333] simladabim is me
Maule Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:06:00 - [334] hmm sim is me :S
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:07:00 - [335] Originally by: Gungankllr Log on/log off traps, inifiltrated teamspeak servers, infiltrated forums, bookmark bombs, all this assorted crap is ruining this game. I'm just going to say this once. We do not use log on/log off traps or bookmark bombs. Just because you guys keep claiming that without any proof at all, it doesn't mean we do it. You should take a good look on your guys loss mails and count the bookmarks... If I caught anyone in BoB doing that I will kick their ass at the next BoB BBQ. and aww I saw I just missed out on CEO Pyrex earlier today, Bob-light to tough for you? You Will Cry My Name
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:12:00 - [336] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Gungankllr Log on/log off traps, inifiltrated teamspeak servers, infiltrated forums, bookmark bombs, all this assorted crap is ruining this game. I'm just going to say this once. We do not use log on/log off traps or bookmark bombs. Just because you guys keep claiming that without any proof at all, it doesn't mean we do it. You should take a good look on your guys loss mails and count the bookmarks... If I caught anyone in BoB doing that I will kick their ass at the next BoB BBQ. and aww I saw I just missed out on CEO Pyrex earlier today, Bob-light to tough for you? Do me a favor, read my ENTIRE post in more than two minutes, then feel free to respond. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:14:00 - [337] Originally by: simladabim Originally by: Slowboat Umm.. Good sports who want good fights would be allowing the enemy fleet time to log in and reform gang after a node crash (as evidenced by D2 pulling out of system when the node crashed in a recent engagement with AXE) instead of turkey shooting them as they log in. Good sports would not use TS spies to gain tactical advantage over their opponent IF they really wanted good fights. They DO use those tactics though so it is hardly evidence of them wanting good fights. But would ascn do that for bob ? I doubt it Umm.. Several offers to set up Cease fires with BOB during Node crashes were made on these boards, I remember reading them, and BOB members universally shot it down. So the same question still stands. Originally by: Nira Li I'm just going to say this once. We do not use log on/log off traps or bookmark bombs. Just because you guys keep claiming that without any proof at all, it doesn't mean we do it. You should take a good look on your guys loss mails and count the bookmarks... If I caught anyone in BoB doing that I will kick their ass at the next BoB BBQ. If you read what Gunga said, he said that crap like that is ruining the game. He never specifically accused BOB of using BM bombs or log off/log on traps.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:16:00 - [338] Originally by: Gungankllr Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Gungankllr Log on/log off traps, inifiltrated teamspeak servers, infiltrated forums, bookmark bombs, all this assorted crap is ruining this game. I'm just going to say this once. We do not use log on/log off traps or bookmark bombs. Just because you guys keep claiming that without any proof at all, it doesn't mean we do it. You should take a good look on your guys loss mails and count the bookmarks... If I caught anyone in BoB doing that I will kick their ass at the next BoB BBQ. and aww I saw I just missed out on CEO Pyrex earlier today, Bob-light to tough for you? Do me a favor, read my ENTIRE post in more than two minutes, then feel free to respond. I read the "looks like everyone does it" part. And it got me a bit heated. Sorry if got it wrong. You Will Cry My Name
Vily Lilium Venture Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:17:00 - [339] Originally by: Gungankllr I'm having this strange sense of Deja Vu here when it comes to posting stuff from private forums. The bottom line is the posts you guys are so happily quoting are located on a private server, meant for the private parsing by its members. I KNOW you gents and ladies can't stand the stuff that people like RA pull on a regular basis. It's within the game mechanics, so It's ok, right? I always envisioned Band of Brothers as an elite PVP force of nature that didn't have to use exploits or dirty underhanded tricks to win battles, they won because they were good at what they did in space. But the problem I have nowadays, and not just because it's you against my guys, is that everyone seems to be migrating towards these cheap tactics to win nowadays. Log on/log off traps, inifiltrated teamspeak servers, infiltrated forums, bookmark bombs, all this assorted crap is ruining this game. I'm not going to sit here and be Mr. Innocent and claim somebody in ASCN has never exploited. The size of our alliance alone makes the probability of someone doing exploits statistically sure. The question I keep asking myself, and your members, is one that keeps getting ignored. I know that my posts aren't as electrifying as some of these guys on the forums, but I'd like to think that the points are valid. If the Band of Brothers alliance is as good as they claim, why do they need all the assorted in-game and out-of game assistance when fighting us? I mean, according to you guys, and some of the Eve community, we couldn't fight our way out of a paper bag with a flamethrower and a can of gasoline. So, why? to be honest. your forums are "infiltrated" you folks are jsut too damn lazy to CLEAN THEM UP. I found it really sad that i was in ASCN 5 months ago and i still have access, yet a corp leaves ascn, and becasue its war they all loose their forum access with the day ? you guys honestly bring upon the forum and ts stuff yourself. BOB would find a way in if they wanted to, but if you dont put up a fence dont expect people to not walk all over your lawn ------------------------ Listed as Such, I claim nothing but existense. know me true -Vily
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:21:00 - [340] Edited by: Ab Initio on 31/10/2006 00:25:07 Originally by: Gungankllr The question I keep asking myself, and your members, is one that keeps getting ignored. I know that my posts aren't as electrifying as some of these guys on the forums, but I'd like to think that the points are valid. If the Band of Brothers alliance is as good as they claim, why do they need all the assorted in-game and out-of game assistance when fighting us? Firstly, the "assorted assistance" you seem to mention in the rest of your post, can be broken into two seperate areas: * Counter Intelligence * Exploiting BoB do not exploit under any circumstances. Counter Intelligence on the other hand is a completely valid option. There are people in our alliance that enjoy playing this game as an operative or spy, and focus their game time on infiltration. Who are we to tell them how they can and can't play the game? I've said it before, and it's still relevant. If you honestly believe your alliance doesn't use spies, you aren't high enough in the food chain to know better.
Colonel Buendia	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:38:00 - [341] Guys, copying and pasting anything has civil issues with regards to copyright. When somebody writes a post, they automatically own the copyright to that post. If you are reproducing that post publically without that permission, that could get CCP in trouble for allowing the distribution of such material (once they are made aware of the situtation/infringement, they cannot claim 'Mere Conduit' status) see Godfrey versus Demon Internet. However with a civil case, you obviously have to be able to display that you have made a loss in respect of the copyrighted works being published without permission... which would be impossible, i'd imagine.
APEXrevived Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:40:00 - [342] As far as infiltrated forums goes. Here's my opinion. You cannot expect CCP to issue a statement condemning the infiltration of 3rd party mechanisms such as forums because: 1. they cannot restrict what you do out of game by enforcing in game consequences. 2. the whole of the eve community utilizes third party forums. it's all or nothing. either they ban them totally or don't regulate them at all. It's absurd to want CCP to enforce things that are not owned or regulated by them. We all use these forums and Team Speak at our own risk. One of those risks is infiltration by enemies. This game is very much about treachery. They purposely put it in the game mechanics because they believe it to be a valuable part of the game. As for posting messages that are intended for private forums on the EVE official boards, arguments could be made either way. To BoB's credit, they have only posted the content they deem either off-the-wall lies or directly slanderous to them. I thought since this game is called Eve that I'd play a female character. Is that a good enough excuse for a guy?
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:45:00 - [343] Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 31/10/2006 00:45:44 Originally by: Gungankllr I'm having this strange sense of Deja Vu here when it comes to posting stuff from private forums. The bottom line is the posts you guys are so happily quoting are located on a private server, meant for the private parsing by its members. I KNOW you gents and ladies can't stand the stuff that people like RA pull on a regular basis. It's within the game mechanics, so It's ok, right? I always envisioned Band of Brothers as an elite PVP force of nature that didn't have to use exploits or dirty underhanded tricks to win battles, they won because they were good at what they did in space. But the problem I have nowadays, and not just because it's you against my guys, is that everyone seems to be migrating towards these cheap tactics to win nowadays. Log on/log off traps, inifiltrated teamspeak servers, infiltrated forums, bookmark bombs, all this assorted crap is ruining this game. ... I mean, according to you guys, and some of the Eve community, we couldn't fight our way out of a paper bag with a flamethrower and a can of gasoline. So, why? Fair question. We don't do it because we need to do it to achieve the desired result, we do it because it's part of the game. As has been pointed out a number of times on these forums, those that believe BoB is purely a PVP outfit are wrong, very wrong. We allow our members to explore every aspect of the game and those that excel at a particular role are allowed to stick to it, be it mining, covert ops scouting, or sabotage and infiltration. Some people genuinely enjoy infiltrating hostile alliances and we give them the room and leeway to do so as it's a valid part of the game. With me? I don't think there's anybody in BoB that doesn't believe that we wouldn't still be winning the war without our spy network or the intelligence they provide. To be honest, they don't play as a big a part in our general playbook as you might think, 95% of our battlefield successes are down to outstanding leadership and flawless scouting by our Covert Ops pilots. With regards to other "cheap" tactics such as log on traps, bookmark lag bombs, etc, I can only repeat what every other BoB CEO has stated thus far... BoB does not use these tactics, BoB never has done and any member caught abusing game mechanics in a reckless mannor will be dealt with serverely. Reports should be made via evemail to the relevent CEO if you wish to do so.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 01:49:00 - [344] Edited by: pershphanie on 31/10/2006 01:50:13 Originally by: Gungankllr If the Band of Brothers alliance is as good as they claim, why do they need all the assorted in-game and out-of game assistance when fighting us? BoB infiltrates your alliance through in game methods, not out of game methods. Bob applies to your alliance in game just like every single character in eve has the ability to do. Once in your corps being on TS and on your forums is part of being in ASCN. We aquire everything we need to access your TS/forums through in game methods. BoB is not hacking your TS/forums. If you consider putting a spy on your ts/forums that got that access through legit in game methods to be "out of game methods" for just being on your TS/forums and nothing else then the only way your arguement makes sense is if you consider the use of TS/forums in general an out of game methods. You cant have your cake and eat it too. If you consider spying on your ts to be unfair use of out of game methods then you must consider the use of TS itself an unfair out of game method. Otherwise that arguement does not hold up. So if you consider the use of TS/forums as something thats a legitimate use of the game then you must also consider spying on ts/forums legit as long as they are infiltrated though the use of in game methods. I dont see how spying is any different than the use of covert ops ships tbh. It is not an unfair advantage. Anyone in eve has the ability to spy. The playing field is level. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.31 01:59:00 - [345] Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 01:59:32 Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 31/10/2006 00:45:44 I don't think there's anybody in BoB that doesn't believe that we wouldn't still be winning the war without our spy network or the intelligence they provide. To be honest, they don't play as a big a part in our general playbook as you might think, 95% of our battlefield successes are down to outstanding leadership and flawless scouting by our Covert Ops pilots. With regards to other "cheap" tactics such as log on traps, bookmark lag bombs, etc, I can only repeat what every other BoB CEO has stated thus far... BoB does not use these tactics, BoB never has done and any member caught abusing game mechanics in a reckless mannor will be dealt with serverely. Reports should be made via evemail to the relevent CEO if you wish to do so. Unfortunately you'll never be able to prove that because there is no way to prove you won't continue to use them even if you say you will stop. Once you use a tactic denying that your using it anymore won't cut it. You can believe you would beat ASCN without TS spies but you can't prove it anymore. As to the lame tactics / exploits Gunga never accused bob of doing them so I don't know why you are getting so defensive about it in regards to his post.
UnIQu3 Amarr DarkStar 1	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:01:00 - [346] Who says we ain't on your guys forums? or TS?
Caybn E'vangel Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:08:00 - [347] Originally by: UnIQu3 Who says we ain't on your guys forums? or TS? Your members imply it every time the say the phrase "BoB has to use underhanded tactics, teaspeak and forum spies to win", if they wernt implying it they would simply be hypocritical in accusing us of it, and we all know you arnt hypocrites, right?. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:08:00 - [348] outbreak are a bunch of **ers join channel Dope Dealerz** if you wanna sell or can supply drugs on a regular basis.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:09:00 - [349] Originally by: UnIQu3 Who says we ain't on your guys forums? or TS? Your other self rightous alliance members when they are constantly preaching about how horrible spying is? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:12:00 - [350] Edited by: Ab Initio on 31/10/2006 02:13:25 Originally by: Slowboat Unfortunately you'll never be able to prove that because there is no way to prove you won't continue to use them even if you say you will stop. Once you use a tactic denying that your using it anymore won't cut it. You can believe you would beat ASCN without TS spies but you can't prove it anymore. Who would we want to prove that too? We're open about our counter intelligence initiatives. I personally think any large alliances without some form of intelligence group is missing out on an interesting part of the game. Originally by: Slowboat As to the lame tactics / exploits Gunga never accused bob of doing them so I don't know why you are getting so defensive about it in regards to his post. If someone posted "I see another Slowboat post. Damn I hate trolls", would you be offended? They didn't specifically call you a troll, but it was certainly implied.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:14:00 - [351] Originally by: Slowboat Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 00:02:04 Originally by: Manfred Sideous Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 30/10/2006 20:55:51 This has nothing to do with the blogs / morale / propaganda stuff which anyway I never cared about. I am telling you that the perception of the general ASCN foot soldier is BoB as an entity couldnt give a damn about good fights, and everytime they post a "congrats nice try" its actually "thanks for the slaughter, n00bs". Blacklight himself said they will allow anything within game boundaries to win and is proud of that. I understand and accept such attitude, but when clowns like you show up and take the higher ground telling how you are only after there purest of fights, well then forgive me but it makes me chuckle. Obviously you dont understand BOB or the PVP purest mentality. Ive fought BOB in fleet battles quite a few times and nothing but kind words and good times were exchanged. Bud this is why they play the game PEW PEW. IMO that and having there finger on the I win EVE button is what makes em login. They are seasoned pilots and when they see a lesser opponent make tactical errors it probably gives them a chuckle cuz tthat means your arse. But from personal expierience BOB are good sports who really love PVP. IF winning eve were based on how much veldspar u can mine BOB would be the n00bs of the Eveverse. Umm.. Good sports who want good fights would be allowing the enemy fleet time to log in and reform gang after a node crash (as evidenced by D2 pulling out of system when the node crashed in a recent engagement with AXE) instead of turkey shooting them as they log in. Good sports would not use TS spies to gain tactical advantage over their opponent IF they really wanted good fights. They DO use those tactics though so it is hardly evidence of them wanting good fights. We did this quite often with G up north but the fact of the matter is that at this time and point we dont owe ASCN anything. Maybe if they had conducted themselves like former G did and showed us that they truely are honorable with their word then maybe things would be diffrent but the fact of the matter is that some of them are behaving like spoiled bratz when a node crashes, screaming in local that we are exploiters and that we crash the node on purpose.... Im sorry but honour and good sport has been thrown out of the window from the start of the war. They have the same options as we, log in and start killing stuff, its up to them to actually have the balls to log back in. We dont have any special client h4x's that make us log back in faster and tbh i would love to be able to log in faster as i seem to always be the last one to get back in. TS spies lol, they are used to find out where a fleet is going so a)we can intercept and fight b)know that there is a fleet coming for us. In real combat .. you know... fleet action there is no need for TS spy and its pretty useless as it goes so fast so its of no value to us when we actually get a fight. And your right about one thing, we aint here for the good fights alone. We are here to kill you and we are doing the same things weve done for 3 years, everyone is right to their opinons of BoB but so few actually know us and tbh we dont care.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:18:00 - [352] Edited by: Kryztal on 31/10/2006 02:24:52 Originally by: UnIQu3 Who says we ain't on your guys forums? or TS? LoL cute, we arent ashamed of anything on our members forum. They are a great laugh and show how everyone is loving this war. TS, youll maybe learn a thing or two so its all good. Even our directors forums are very upbeat and loving. So tbh ASCN reading our forums is a good thing :P edit I especially enjoyed this one thats been going on all day ! Tzrailasa PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: EVE Tribune rips McCready a new one :-D Read and enjoy Laughing http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=21&page=3
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:27:00 - [353] Originally by: Kryztal And your right about one thing, we aint here for the good fights alone. We are here to kill you and we are doing the same things weve done for 3 years, everyone is right to their opinons of BoB but so few actually know us and tbh we dont care. Well, your not killing me but at least one of your alliance has finally dropped the entire "we want good fights" company line and is being semi-honest for once.
iceyreloaded Amarr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:42:00 - [354] I want a pony
Jasmine Dupre Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:46:00 - [355] I want a tech2 Pony
Rukya Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:48:00 - [356] Nah, I want a horse!
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:54:00 - [357] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: CEO Pyrex And to the forum spies - thank you very much for making my life hell again (4th Deaththreat in game now) and making me fear for my life and my family over a MOTHER***** GAME! to ally yourself with retards who think its funny to scare people in RL....well ** you. CEO Pyrex ASCN I wanna know then Pyrex, who was it in our ranks that made this 'threat'. If you remember anything about me from our time together in DDC you know that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES would I tolerate something like that from one of my fellow alliance members or corp members. You probably recall a certain someone making a very similiar threat to me from back in the day and how crazy I got about it. If someone in Bob, really truly threatened to kill you, then you need to tell me, cause I want nothing to do with an Alliance that tolerates that. Your welcome to evemail me or catch me ingame anytime if you don't want to answer in public. But until you provide some proof of this certain claim, you're just another lying member of an alliance I'm ashamed to have helped create. You know Pyrex almost as well as I do m8, weather or not he chooses to further comment on this or not is his decission, but i have two comments to attach. 1. This is not a subject suited for this forum.. at all 2. Ask yourself if he would make something like this up and draw your own conclusions /Gil Dont get mad - Get even
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:04:00 - [358] Edited by: pershphanie on 31/10/2006 03:04:04 Originally by: Slowboat Good sports would not use TS spies to gain tactical advantage over their opponent IF they really wanted good fights. I still dont understand why its ok to use TS, but not ok to spy on an enemy TS. Whats the difference? Why is one standard and one bad sportsman ship? Its ok for me to use one ts but cheating to be on a different one? makes absolutly no sense what so ever. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:12:00 - [359] Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 03:12:51 Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 31/10/2006 03:04:04 Originally by: Slowboat Good sports would not use TS spies to gain tactical advantage over their opponent IF they really wanted good fights. I still dont understand why its ok to use TS, but not ok to spy on an enemy TS. Whats the difference? Why is one standard and one bad sportsman ship? Its ok for me to use one ts but cheating to be on a different one? makes absolutly no sense what so ever. Alright, why don't you give ASCN members free access to your TS and see if you like having them knowing your every move if you can not understand it.
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:17:00 - [360] Originally by: Slowboat Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 03:12:51 Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 31/10/2006 03:04:04 Originally by: Slowboat Good sports would not use TS spies to gain tactical advantage over their opponent IF they really wanted good fights. I still dont understand why its ok to use TS, but not ok to spy on an enemy TS. Whats the difference? Why is one standard and one bad sportsman ship? Its ok for me to use one ts but cheating to be on a different one? makes absolutly no sense what so ever. Alright, why don't you give ASCN members free access to your TS and see if you like having them knowing your every move if you can not understand it. No problem, just have one of your ascn members with a good combat alt and a clean corp history app. Once he has access to the bob forums and TS so do you! Jeeze, super tough concept to understand.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:18:00 - [361] Sure! All they need to do is apply to join a BoB corp and pass the interview. Please contact the appropriate CEOs for applications. Once in the alliance, TS and forum access will be given in short order. Thanks and have a nice day!
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:27:00 - [362] Originally by: Slowboat Alright, why don't you give ASCN members free access to your TS and see if you like having them knowing your every move if you can not understand it. If ASCN can get a spy into BoB, they'll have free access to our forums and TS, no complaints from us. You'll find rather quickly though, that information dissemination in BoB, generally works under the assumption that we are already infiltrated. Good luck finding a way to use ***** requests for rash treatment suggestions to turn the tide of war :D
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:31:00 - [363] Originally by: Slowboat Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 03:12:51 Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 31/10/2006 03:04:04 Originally by: Slowboat Good sports would not use TS spies to gain tactical advantage over their opponent IF they really wanted good fights. I still dont understand why its ok to use TS, but not ok to spy on an enemy TS. Whats the difference? Why is one standard and one bad sportsman ship? Its ok for me to use one ts but cheating to be on a different one? makes absolutly no sense what so ever. Alright, why don't you give ASCN members free access to your TS and see if you like having them knowing your every move if you can not understand it. We already do. In the same way we have free access to their ts. Everyone in eve can apply to bob or ascn ingame. Using TS is no different than spying on ts. If its ok to use TS with eve then its ok to spy on it. There is no moral difference. If you think we are bad sports for spying on a TS server, then you must also think they are bad sports for using ts. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Arched	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:37:00 - [364] Originally by: Rebellion Sure! All they need to do is apply to join a BoB corp and pass the interview. Please contact the appropriate CEOs for applications. Once in the alliance, TS and forum access will be given in short order. Thanks and have a nice day! thought you guys didn't recruit during wartimes otherwise i'd put in an app just to shoot hobbits
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:40:00 - [365] Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 03:41:21 Originally by: Arched Originally by: Rebellion Sure! All they need to do is apply to join a BoB corp and pass the interview. Please contact the appropriate CEOs for applications. Once in the alliance, TS and forum access will be given in short order. Thanks and have a nice day! thought you guys didn't recruit during wartimes otherwise i'd put in an app just to shoot hobbits Oh, BOB recruits. They approach you to join them when they want to and those are the only APPs they accept. So them saying "Any ASCN member can get an alt in by applying" is just so much BS. <chuckle>
analev godder The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:44:00 - [366] Originally by: Slowboat Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 03:12:51 Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 31/10/2006 03:04:04 Originally by: Slowboat Good sports would not use TS spies to gain tactical advantage over their opponent IF they really wanted good fights. I still dont understand why its ok to use TS, but not ok to spy on an enemy TS. Whats the difference? Why is one standard and one bad sportsman ship? Its ok for me to use one ts but cheating to be on a different one? makes absolutly no sense what so ever. Alright, why don't you give ASCN members free access to your TS and see if you like having them knowing your every move if you can not understand it. I think you need to check your disc there must be a scratch in it. It keeps repeating the same old **. Yeah they got TS spy, yeah they got Forum ***s get over it. I don't like it neither but FFS get a grip and realise it's one of the darker sides of the game. Does a TS spy give them an advantage. Sure, but it doesn't win them the battles. Do you honestly believe they would have lost more battles without the spies. I don't think so, they might have lost more ships for sure but in the end i believe the result would have been the same.
arjun Viziam	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:46:00 - [367] do u have the same level of sypathy for corp thiefs as u have for spies? yes? no? whats the difference? both misuse trust somebody places in them. trust gained by mostly out of game means like ts. not the char in the game cheats your corp or is a traitor. its the person in front of the screen who is the dirt doing those things. there is no means to verify the identity of somebody on the internet. all you can do is make3 it harder for spies/thiefs to get acces. from a certain size onward its near impossible. this discussion has been had hundreds of times here. just because the full time forum brigade says corp thieving and spieing is the correct way to play doesnt make it the truth.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:53:00 - [368] Originally by: arjun Edited by: arjun on 31/10/2006 03:47:22 do u have the same level of sympathy for corp thiefs as u have for spies? yes? no? whats the difference? both misuse trust somebody places in them. trust gained by mostly out of game means like ts. not the char in the game cheats your corp or is a traitor. its the person in front of the screen who is the dirt doing those things. there is no means to verify the identity of somebody on the internet. all you can do is make it harder for spies/thiefs to get acces. from a certain size onward its near impossible. this discussion has been had hundreds of times here. just because the full time forum brigade says corp thieving and spieing is the correct way to play doesnt make it the truth. No, corp thiefs are just using the game mechanics and its up to if you trust a person or not. That beeeing said i dont like corp thiefs but its a part of this game and you either accept it or you quit. Simple as that. If you want to roleplay a spy or a thief its your right to do so, you also have the game mechanics to make sure a corp thief isnt successfull and you have the tools to limit the intel a spy can get to. But its all a part of the Big Game we call EvE. Your given the tools to prevent it so use them, if you dont then there is nobody but yourself to blame. Dont be bitter. P.S. I want our ammo some PA stole from our corp hangers back -.- :P
analev godder The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:58:00 - [369] Originally by: arjun Edited by: arjun on 31/10/2006 03:47:22 do u have the same level of sympathy for corp thiefs as u have for spies? yes? no? whats the difference? both misuse trust somebody places in them. trust gained by mostly out of game means like ts. not the char in the game cheats your corp or is a traitor. its the person in front of the screen who is the dirt doing those things. there is no means to verify the identity of somebody on the internet. all you can do is make it harder for spies/thiefs to get acces. from a certain size onward its near impossible. this discussion has been had hundreds of times here. just because the full time forum brigade says corp thieving and spieing is the correct way to play doesnt make it the truth. Don't get me wrong the player in question does not get my sympathy. Neither will a corp thief get my sympathy. But who am I to tell other how to play the game. I believe that every player has to make that decision for himself. This is a game that allows spying, thieving, scamming, you name it and you accept that fact or not. Crying about it will not change a damn thing. I can understand people complain about it but keeping the same old tune going for weeks. And use it to hide the fact that they are just not good enough is the wrong way. But like many do in RL, people look for other to blame to hide their own inexperience. If i get my butt kicked all over the place it's not because the other cheats, exploits, use outgame advantages, pr whatever other reason you can find. It's just that the other is either more skilled, more experienced, basically is more up to the task at hand.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 04:03:00 - [370] Originally by: Slowboat Oh, BOB recruits. They approach you to join them when they want to and those are the only APPs they accept. So them saying "Any ASCN member can get an alt in by applying" is just so much BS. <chuckle> I'm still not getting where the unfair part is. Is there is something preventing ASCN members from opening opening convos and asking players to join? Do bob use h4x to force ASCN members to accept 2 month old alts? Every character, corp, and alliance in eve starts with the same tools everyone else has. Who is really to blame for spys on ASCN TS? I'd say the only person who is at fault there is the person who hit the "accept application" button. Xetic loves to blame bob for their own leaderships incompetence. That's ok though. I think the avg ASCN member is slowly understanding how bad their leadership really is. BoB is not the source of your alliances troubles and weaknesses. We just exposed them. Everything that is happening to ASCN right now is their own fault. If Xetic high command were half as good of leaders as they claim to be they would accept personal responsibility for their poor recruitment policies then make an effort to change them. However just like with every other problem they have it seems their fear of losing power takes priority over the betterment of their alliance. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 04:06:00 - [371] Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson You know Pyrex almost as well as I do m8, weather or not he chooses to further comment on this or not is his decission, but i have two comments to attach. 1. This is not a subject suited for this forum.. at all 1. I think it probably is the correct forum Gil, cause he's trying to use a supposed 'threat' as policital propaganda and motivation to fight us. If there really was a threat made like that, than even attempting to do anything with it other than reporting it to the GMs and possibly the offending members CEO, along with proper proof (ie screenshots, logs, timestamps ect). You know as well as I do taking something serious like that and twisting it into propagand is damn near as bad as the offense itself. Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson 2. Ask yourself if he would make something like this up and draw your own conclusions 2. TBH old friend, I've seen alot of people say things way outside the scope of normal in-game smacktalk these past few weeks. I'd like to think no one would make up something like this, but judging by some of the accusations that have been thrown my way by people I used to know.. I have to really wonder . -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 07:54:00 - [372] Edited by: Moghydin on 31/10/2006 07:54:25 Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 31/10/2006 04:07:37 Originally by: Slowboat Oh, BOB recruits. They approach you to join them when they want to and those are the only APPs they accept. So them saying "Any ASCN member can get an alt in by applying" is just so much BS. <chuckle> I'm still not getting where the unfair part is. Is there something preventing ASCN members from opening opening convos and asking players to join? Do bob use h4x to force ASCN members to accept 2 month old alts? Every character, corp, and alliance in eve starts with the same tools everyone else has. Who is really to blame for spys on ASCN TS? I'd say the only person who is at fault there is the person who hit the "accept application" button. Xetic loves to blame bob for their own leaderships incompetence. That's ok though. I think the avg ASCN member is slowly understanding how bad their leadership really is. BoB is not the source of your alliances troubles and weaknesses. We just exposed them. Everything that is happening to ASCN right now is their own fault. If Xetic high command were half as good of leaders as they claim to be they would accept personal responsibility for their poor recruitment policies then make an effort to change them. However just like with every other problem they have it seems their fear of losing power takes priority over the betterment of their alliance. Interesting how you view this subject now. I remember you looked at this issue from a different angle when you were heading an alliance during a war with ATUK. Could you answer the same questions regarding FE and ATUK then? Why did ATUK have tons of spies on FE TS. Or what was preventing FE from planting many spies on ATUK TS. I think you know the answer. I know it too, but public forums is not the best place to discuss this staff. I only wonder how a simple change in corp/alliance ticker make ppl think totally different on the same issue. P.S. CCP pretty please fix the damn forums. hitting "post reply" to get to log in screen times and times again != fun.
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 07:59:00 - [373] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson You know Pyrex almost as well as I do m8, weather or not he chooses to further comment on this or not is his decission, but i have two comments to attach. 1. This is not a subject suited for this forum.. at all 1. I think it probably is the correct forum Gil, cause he's trying to use a supposed 'threat' as policital propaganda and motivation to fight us. If there really was a threat made like that, than even attempting to do anything with it other than reporting it to the GMs and possibly the offending members CEO, along with proper proof (ie screenshots, logs, timestamps ect). You know as well as I do taking something serious like that and twisting it into propagand is damn near as bad as the offense itself. Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson 2. Ask yourself if he would make something like this up and draw your own conclusions 2. TBH old friend, I've seen alot of people say things way outside the scope of normal in-game smacktalk these past few weeks. I'd like to think no one would make up something like this, but judging by some of the accusations that have been thrown my way by people I used to know.. I have to really wonder . Eve forum Rules { 9. Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. 10. Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum. Such matters shall remain private between the CCP and the user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging. Likewise, discussions regarding moderator actions are not permitted on the forum. If you have questions regarding a post or thread, please contact [email protected]. If we can agree that even if pyrex could post the proof you wanted, it could well cause him to get a ban himself. Drop this subject on this forum
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 08:17:00 - [374] Originally by: ChaosOne If we can agree that even if pyrex could post the proof you wanted, it could well cause him to get a ban himself. Drop this subject on this forum Which is why he offered hte eve-mail option
Trev Kachanov Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 08:19:00 - [375] Originally by: Jasmine Dupre I want a tech2 Pony Tech2 Horsey ftw!
Nyk0n Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.31 08:39:00 - [376] Sorry Mouldy there is only 1 Pendulum you will forever fail b4 the original and best;) Actully this has to be possibly the most rollocks filled post you have made;) When do they get to be dead? Soon eh? Sometimes the truth hurts.......... Dosnt stop it being true
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 08:53:00 - [377] Still waiting to here why you need to make up such tripe in a game about us Pyrex, come on, spit it out.
LoxyRider Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:01:00 - [378] Originally by: Nyk0n Sorry Mouldy there is only 1 Pendulum you will forever fail b4 the original and best;) Actully this has to be possibly the most rollocks filled post you have made;) When do they get to be dead? Soon eh? Upload another mp3 not related to eve and i'l get my ban stick out .
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:06:00 - [379] Originally by: iceyreloaded I want a pony Originally by: Jasmine Dupre I want a tech2 Pony Pony? ---
Jasmine Dupre Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:45:00 - [380] Originally by: Ashen Brarn Originally by: iceyreloaded I want a pony Originally by: Jasmine Dupre I want a tech2 Pony Pony? lol thanks for the humor i love it :)
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:00:00 - [381] The talk of in-game death threats is frankly pathetic. One mail to the mods and the account responsible is banned forever. Bringing it on here is pointless, and actually causes me to think the person who claims such things is lying about it. And even if it were true, why worry about it. You havent given away your RL name and address, right. Its just some worked up little geek blowing hot air.
Dragutinovic Caldari Storm Thesis	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:06:00 - [382] Originally by: Butter Dog The talk of in-game death threats is frankly pathetic. One mail to the mods and the account responsible is banned forever. You wish . _____________ Im back !
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.31 12:03:00 - [383] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Dragutinovic Originally by: Butter Dog The talk of in-game death threats is frankly pathetic. One mail to the mods and the account responsible is banned forever. You wish . Go ahead and try it, then. Send me a mail, make it sincere so I am 'fearful' for my RL. We'll see how long your account lasts. I give you 24 hours. If CCP confirms that the threatening mail is authentic, they don't screw around with this stuff. Zero tolerance is pretty much the word here. I've seen it happen twice now. Some people really don't like mercs... - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.31 12:05:00 - [384] Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson You know Pyrex almost as well as I do m8, weather or not he chooses to further comment on this or not is his decission, but i have two comments to attach. 1. This is not a subject suited for this forum.. at all 2. Ask yourself if he would make something like this up and draw your own conclusions /Gil If he doesnt want to share the name of this person then yes, he obviously did make it up. The solution is simple, petition the person(s) who threatend you and have them banned. If the GM's dont feel like enforcing rules today then contact a Bob CEO and have the person kicked out of Bob. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Spartac0 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 12:13:00 - [385] Edited by: Spartac0 on 31/10/2006 12:15:27 the expression "Divide and Conquer" comes to mind. nice move in fountain ASCN. You divide... We conquer ;-) What we do in life... Echoes in Eternity.
Dragutinovic Caldari Storm Thesis	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:28:00 - [386] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Dragutinovic Originally by: Butter Dog The talk of in-game death threats is frankly pathetic. One mail to the mods and the account responsible is banned forever. You wish . Go ahead and try it, then. Send me a mail, make it sincere so I am 'fearful' for my RL. We'll see how long your account lasts. I give you 24 hours. If CCP confirms that the threatening mail is authentic, they don't screw around with this stuff. Zero tolerance is pretty much the word here. I've seen it happen twice now. Some people really don't like mercs... Ive been harassed and threatend quite a few times in the past , yes even death threats . Accounts have been reported and didnt recieve a ban . I guess " selective " comes to mind . Besides other well known violators of rules are still not banned . _____________ Im back !
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:44:00 - [387] Originally by: Butter Dog The talk of in-game death threats is frankly pathetic. One mail to the mods and the account responsible is banned forever. Bringing it on here is pointless, and actually causes me to think the person who claims such things is lying about it. First off, he didnt bring it in here, that was done courtesy of BOB who quoted it from ascn forums. I personally spoke with him when he recieved the threats, so i belive him 100%. He has nothing to prove to anyone in here. The people were reported through the correct channels and to the best of my knowledge delt with by ccp. You can ask for proof as much as you want, i highly doubt thats gonna happen. Any proof given would most likly be called fake. Let the matter drop, its been delt with by ccp.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:52:00 - [388] Originally by: ChaosOne Originally by: Butter Dog The talk of in-game death threats is frankly pathetic. One mail to the mods and the account responsible is banned forever. Bringing it on here is pointless, and actually causes me to think the person who claims such things is lying about it. First off, he didnt bring it in here, that was done courtesy of BOB who quoted it from ascn forums. I personally spoke with him when he recieved the threats, so i belive him 100%. He has nothing to prove to anyone in here. The people were reported through the correct channels and to the best of my knowledge delt with by ccp. You can ask for proof as much as you want, i highly doubt thats gonna happen. Any proof given would most likly be called fake. Let the matter drop, its been delt with by ccp. Actually, he DOES have EVERYTHING to prove. Not a single member from BoB has been banned for harassing anyone in EvE. Not a single one. We keep in very close contact with EVERY member of BoB. So, that means that either CCP hasn't dealt with it (a shame) - in which case we WILL deal with it - or Pyrex is lieing. Whichever one it is we do not wish to be associated with such behaviour, so he can either do the whole community a favour and name and shame, or he can stfu.
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:05:00 - [389] Edited by: ChaosOne on 31/10/2006 14:05:37 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: ChaosOne Originally by: Butter Dog The talk of in-game death threats is frankly pathetic. One mail to the mods and the account responsible is banned forever. Bringing it on here is pointless, and actually causes me to think the person who claims such things is lying about it. First off, he didnt bring it in here, that was done courtesy of BOB who quoted it from ascn forums. I personally spoke with him when he recieved the threats, so i belive him 100%. He has nothing to prove to anyone in here. The people were reported through the correct channels and to the best of my knowledge delt with by ccp. You can ask for proof as much as you want, i highly doubt thats gonna happen. Any proof given would most likly be called fake. Let the matter drop, its been delt with by ccp. Actually, he DOES have EVERYTHING to prove. Not a single member from BoB has been banned for harassing anyone in EvE. Not a single one. We keep in very close contact with EVERY member of BoB. So, that means that either CCP hasn't dealt with it (a shame) - in which case we WILL deal with it - or Pyrex is lieing. Whichever one it is we do not wish to be associated with such behaviour, so he can either do the whole community a favour and name and shame, or he can stfu. sheeeeeeeee
Dragutinovic Caldari Storm Thesis	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:05:00 - [390] Yeah a real shame isnt it . _____________ Im back !
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:11:00 - [391] Edited by: Drakma on 31/10/2006 14:21:18 Originally by: Dianabolic Not a single member from BoB has been banned for harassing anyone in EvE. Not a single one. We keep in very close contact with EVERY member of BoB. So, that means that either CCP hasn't dealt with it (a shame) - in which case we WILL deal with it - or Pyrex is lieing. There's no need to lie Dian. I know 3 people in YOUR corp who have skated by every responsability in your corp for well over a year. But then again, I'm not going to name them because I like them. So you'll probably call me a liar now. So goes the vicious cycle of the BoB Forum MachineÖ. edit : typo
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:11:00 - [392] If you received death threats and ccp didnt do anything about it, post the screenshots on the forums.
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:16:00 - [393] Edited by: ChaosOne on 31/10/2006 14:16:47 forum moderators i request that his thread be locked. This is turning into a RL insulting of ceo pyrex, he cannot give info on the 'accused' or be in breach of EULA. If you check with CCP then these facts will be confirmed. EVE FORUM RULES 6. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts which are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing an "in character" dispute become an "out of character" personal attack. The game is designed for role playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum, please, unless it is clearly a mutual, in character exchange.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:18:00 - [394] I am going to make a very clear statement here. There is no room for ambiguity. No BNC member will be allowed to behave in that manner towards a member of the Eve community regardless of whether they are friend or foe in game. I would shop anyone offending in this manner to CCP myself and have it investigated if I had cause to believe it to be true. I am 100% sure the other BoB CEOs feel the same about their corporations. If someone believes they can make such an accusation in a throw away manner and not have me or another BoB CEO/Director follow up on it then they are kidding themselves. So send me the evidence of it happening and I'll ask CCP to investigate it if I have to. Blog
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:18:00 - [395] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: Dianabolic Not a single member from BoB has been banned for harassing anyone in EvE. Not a single one. We keep in very close contact with EVERY member of BoB. So, that means that either CCP hasn't dealt with it (a shame) - in which case we WILL deal with it - or Pyrex is lieing. There's no beed to lie Dian. I know 3 people in YOUR corp who have skated by every responsability in your corp for well over a year. But then again, I'm not going to name them because I like them. So you'll probably call me a liar now. So goes the vicious cycle of the BoB Forum MachineÖ. I have to say you have a very strong argument there. Like you know popay the sailor? even stronger than him. Pain is meant to be felt
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:23:00 - [396] Originally by: Drakma There's no beed to lie Dian. I know 3 people in YOUR corp who have skated by every responsability in your corp for well over a year. But then again, I'm not going to name them because I like them. So you'll probably call me a liar now. So goes the vicious cycle of the BoB Forum MachineÖ. You like people who skate responsibility? Am I reading this right, Drakma? Because by you saying that you LIKE these people, well, it just doesn't ring true with the point that Pyrex was making, does it? Just as all people on the internet are male until proven otherwise, provide proof or stfu.
Traffic Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:30:00 - [397] Originally by: Blacklight I am going to make a very clear statement here. There is no room for ambiguity. No BNC member will be allowed to behave in that manner towards a member of the Eve community regardless of whether they are friend or foe in game. I would shop anyone offending in this manner to CCP myself and have it investigated if I had cause to believe it to be true. I am 100% sure the other BoB CEOs feel the same about their corporations. If someone believes they can make such an accusation in a throw away manner and not have me or another BoB CEO/Director follow up on it then they are kidding themselves. So send me the evidence of it happening and I'll ask CCP to investigate it if I have to. ./signed
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:31:00 - [398] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Drakma There's no beed to lie Dian. I know 3 people in YOUR corp who have skated by every responsability in your corp for well over a year. But then again, I'm not going to name them because I like them. So you'll probably call me a liar now. So goes the vicious cycle of the BoB Forum MachineÖ. You like people who skate responsibility? Am I reading this right, Drakma? Because by you saying that you LIKE these people, well, it just doesn't ring true with the point that Pyrex was making, does it? Just as all people on the internet are male until proven otherwise, provide proof or stfu. Nope, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that I have compassion for people I like. And there is no need to get so angry. Every corp in eve (regardless of uberness) has people that don't contribute. But, if you feel the need to lash out at somebody, go ahead and lash out at me.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:33:00 - [399] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Drakma There's no beed to lie Dian. I know 3 people in YOUR corp who have skated by every responsability in your corp for well over a year. But then again, I'm not going to name them because I like them. So you'll probably call me a liar now. So goes the vicious cycle of the BoB Forum MachineÖ. You like people who skate responsibility? Am I reading this right, Drakma? Because by you saying that you LIKE these people, well, it just doesn't ring true with the point that Pyrex was making, does it? Just as all people on the internet are male until proven otherwise, provide proof or stfu. Nope, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that I have compassion for people I like. And there is no need to get so angry. Every corp in eve (regardless of uberness) has people that don't contribute. But, if you feel the need to lash out at somebody, go ahead and lash out at me. There is not a single pilot that doesn't contribute in RKK, Drakma. We're not like you and we're not afraid to cut the chaff, regardless of who they are. Try another line. As for anger, you side with people that say "we" threaten people irl. How's that for "anger"?
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:37:00 - [400] Edited by: Drakma on 31/10/2006 14:38:05 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Drakma Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Drakma There's no beed to lie Dian. I know 3 people in YOUR corp who have skated by every responsability in your corp for well over a year. But then again, I'm not going to name them because I like them. So you'll probably call me a liar now. So goes the vicious cycle of the BoB Forum MachineÖ. You like people who skate responsibility? Am I reading this right, Drakma? Because by you saying that you LIKE these people, well, it just doesn't ring true with the point that Pyrex was making, does it? Just as all people on the internet are male until proven otherwise, provide proof or stfu. Nope, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that I have compassion for people I like. And there is no need to get so angry. Every corp in eve (regardless of uberness) has people that don't contribute. But, if you feel the need to lash out at somebody, go ahead and lash out at me. There is not a single pilot that doesn't contribute in RKK, Drakma. We're not like you and we're not afraid to cut the chaff, regardless of who they are. Try another line. As for anger, you side with people that say "we" threaten people irl. How's that for "anger"? Ah, "contribute" ok, I'll give you that one. Yes, these members, "contribute" most definately. If by "contribute" you mean "pay taxes" then yes... yes they do. And by "not like you" I'm assuming you mean me personally. I have no qualms about cutting fat from my corp. Just ask anybody from CLS-F.
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:38:00 - [401] i can understand your points bob. No one wants to be associated with people who make these types of threats. Pyrex had had 4 threats made to him upto and including the current bob war, hes had his account hacked on several occasions, In this day and age how hard is it to find personal info on someone if you look hard enough. It really is a sickening thought. Would you like to be in this position, i highly doubt it. Please do not post any more in this thead. Mods i emplore you to lock this thread. Bob, contact druid who i belive has been spoken with. Enough of this crap, the behaviour ive seen so far is sickening, its a game for christ sake....
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:42:00 - [402] Read a book .. come here and post smack and then think you are cool.. waste of eye time..oh btw you have no pendulum...fuk why does everyone think there tactical genious after reading some sun tzu ffs..
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:44:00 - [403] Originally by: hothead Read a book .. come here and post smack and then think you are cool.. waste of eye time..oh btw you have no pendulum...fuk why does everyone think there tactical genious after reading some sun tzu ffs.. Quite simply, this is fun for a lot of people. If you think it's a waste, don't read it.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:47:00 - [404] Originally by: Drakma Ah, "contribute" ok, I'll give you that one. Yes, these members, "contribute" most definately. If by "contribute" you mean "pay taxes" then yes... yes they do. And by "not like you" I'm assuming you mean me personally. I have no qualms about cutting fat from my corp. Just ask anybody from CLS-F. If your idea of a fair contribution is the paltry 10% npc tax we are able to take then I hate to think what non-contribution is
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:48:00 - [405] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Drakma Ah, "contribute" ok, I'll give you that one. Yes, these members, "contribute" most definately. If by "contribute" you mean "pay taxes" then yes... yes they do. And by "not like you" I'm assuming you mean me personally. I have no qualms about cutting fat from my corp. Just ask anybody from CLS-F. If your idea of a fair contribution is the paltry 10% npc tax we are able to take then I hate to think what non-contribution is I never said fair.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:01:00 - [406] Originally by: ChaosOne Pyrex had had 4 threats made to him upto and including the current bob war, hes had his account hacked on several occasions, yeah yeah, so has Xirtam. He also has had his TS dossed ten times and his dogfood stolen in rl. Look, I don't know pyrex and I have no intention of getting to know him. That piece of drivel he wrote puts him firmly into the "off your rockers" category of person in my book, and I'm really keen on seeing some pics or having a dose of stfu applied. But, nevertheless, I'll wish the man good luck with his fightercamping. Seeing he seems to lack any real insight he's going to need it. Old blog
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:22:00 - [407] Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 31/10/2006 15:23:21 Originally by: ChaosOne You can ask for proof as much as you want, i highly doubt thats gonna happen. Any proof given would most likly be called fake. Let the matter drop, its been delt with by ccp. If it actually happened the person in question will have been banned, so lets see some names and then see if they can login shall we? .... Thought not, because it never happened did it? Are ASCN as a whole really incapable of comprehending that we treat EVE as a game and we all play to enjoy it (and win, of course)? Trying to paint us as blood thirsty mentalists hell bent on the destruction of your rl persons is just making you look even more stupid than ever before. p.s I'm still waiting for your justification btw Pyrex, you and I both know it never happened so at least admit why you feel the need to slander us like this in a game.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:29:00 - [408] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 31/10/2006 15:23:21 Originally by: ChaosOne You can ask for proof as much as you want, i highly doubt thats gonna happen. Any proof given would most likly be called fake. Let the matter drop, its been delt with by ccp. If it actually happened the person in question will have been banned, so lets see some names and then see if they can login shall we? .... Thought not, because it never happened did it? Are ASCN as a whole really incapable of comprehending that we treat EVE as a game and we all play to enjoy it (and win, of course)? Trying to paint us as blood thirsty mentalists hell bent on the destruction of your rl persons is just making you look even more stupid than ever before. p.s I'm still waiting for your justification btw Pyrex, you and I both know it never happened so at least admit why you feel the need to slander us like this in a game. Yes Yes... Pyrex can't/won't prove it happened and you can't/won't prove it didn't. Ain't the internet grand? Blind allegations, anonymous threats, vitrious drivel... all posted from the comfort of your La-Z-Boy without fear of reciprication.
MarketMouse The Genesis Project	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:50:00 - [409] This post will probably get lost in the flames in this thread but I wanted to say kudos to BoB for not renaming the station in H8. Its nice to see that some things in this game are still respected, even through what I'm sure will be a period of station ping-pong in H8.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:56:00 - [410] I dont ever think that the smoske memorial will ever be renamed, hopefully atleast. I for one would never do it Originally by: John McCreedy I'm just the guy who'll hunt you to the ends of the ******* earth if you ever insult my honour again. Are we clear on that?
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:59:00 - [411] Originally by: Hast I dont ever think that the smoske memorial will ever be renamed, hopefully atleast. I for one would never do it Behind all of these avatars are real people. That should never be forgotten.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 16:07:00 - [412] I think that this thread has served its purpose now, and no further replies are necessary, atleast from me... As far as real life threats go, I would if I received them take them with a pinch of salt, due to the fact that this is the internet and well, these avatars offer a vail of anonimity. But that still doesent legitimize the people making said threats. It has been said again and again that if its a BoB member making said threats then petition it and if that doesent work, provide proof to the relevant CEO and it will be dealt with. Crying here that someone made a threat without providing proof makes yourself look like an ass. Actually crying on any forum about it without doing anything about it makes you look like an ass. So either let bygones be bygones or do something about it. I for one will always stomp on any allegations of anything done by a member of BoB that is not put forth with proof to go with it. Simply because if you dont have proof I will assume its a lie. I work on a innocent till proven guilty, as do most other people in BoB. But we will not condone this kind of behaviour if it is proven. So my bottom line is put up or shut up. The mods would do the community a favour in locking this thread now since the original message has been sent and it has now been lost in a whole lot of dribble. Originally by: John McCreedy I'm just the guy who'll hunt you to the ends of the ******* earth if you ever insult my honour again. Are we clear on that?
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 17:51:00 - [413] Originally by: Hast It has been said again and again that if its a BoB member making said threats then petition it and if that doesent work, provide proof to the relevant CEO and it will be dealt with. Crying here that someone made a threat without providing proof makes yourself look like an ass. Actually crying on any forum about it without doing anything about it makes you look like an ass. . You sir are the arse for not even bothering to contact Druid after i advised several hours ago.. Also remember that it was Blacklight who posted on this forum (page 11) with material taken from ascn's internal forums (of which only 1 word has been picked on 'deaththreats') Bob has spun this every which way they can and personally attacked pyrex where ever possible, you are truly pathetic, get a life. This is my last post on this matter, any bob who responds regarding the topic must be either stupid or ignorant, you can find the answers from within your own alliance.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.31 22:52:00 - [414] Originally by: Dianabolic Actually, he DOES have EVERYTHING to prove. Not a single member from BoB has been banned for harassing anyone in EvE. Not a single one. We keep in very close contact with EVERY member of BoB. So, that means that either CCP hasn't dealt with it (a shame) - in which case we WILL deal with it - or Pyrex is lieing. Whichever one it is we do not wish to be associated with such behaviour, so he can either do the whole community a favour and name and shame, or he can stfu. I agree 100% with this. The onus of proof is on the accuser. The only thing worse than making such a threat, is to falsely accuse others of making such a threat. That, in my opinion, is equally deserving of a permanent ban.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.31 22:58:00 - [415] Edited by: Slowboat on 31/10/2006 22:58:20 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Dianabolic Actually, he DOES have EVERYTHING to prove. Not a single member from BoB has been banned for harassing anyone in EvE. Not a single one. We keep in very close contact with EVERY member of BoB. So, that means that either CCP hasn't dealt with it (a shame) - in which case we WILL deal with it - or Pyrex is lieing. Whichever one it is we do not wish to be associated with such behaviour, so he can either do the whole community a favour and name and shame, or he can stfu. I agree 100% with this. The onus of proof is on the accuser. The only thing worse than making such a threat, is to falsely accuse others of making such a threat. That, in my opinion, is equally deserving of a permanent ban. Butter Dog.. umm.. BOB brought that post to Eve-O. Not Pyrex. Not only that it has been stated that Pyrex has talked to Druid just as Druid requested. Now, if NAMES had actually been mentioned I would agree. But since names weren't mentioned and until DRUID says he hasn't talked to Pyrex then I suggest everyone STFU about it and let it go.
Rexy DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 23:14:00 - [416] Originally by: Dianabolic Actually, he DOES have EVERYTHING to prove. Not a single member from BoB has been banned for harassing anyone in EvE. Not a single one. We keep in very close contact with EVERY member of BoB. So, that means that either CCP hasn't dealt with it (a shame) - in which case we WILL deal with it - or Pyrex is lieing. Whichever one it is we do not wish to be associated with such behaviour, so he can either do the whole community a favour and name and shame, or he can stfu. actually that is between him, ccp and the person who issued the deaththreats. also, discussing such things is probably a breach of the eula as it's between gm's and players. and if you have such issue's with communications between players that is not meant for your eyes in the first place, why dont you stop reading our forums so no he doesnt need to prove anything, not in the least to you. i suggest you look within your own member base for answers, and stop harrasing players. <We showed ours, where is yours>
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 23:19:00 - [417] Originally by: Rexy and if you have such issue's with communications between players that is not meant for your eyes in the first place, why dont you stop reading our forums . They're way too funny not to read!!
Rexy DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 23:24:00 - [418] Originally by: DoctorGonzo They're way too funny not to read!! if you think reading about someone receiving deaththreats is amusing your one sick **** <We showed ours, where is yours>
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 23:33:00 - [419] Originally by: Rexy Originally by: DoctorGonzo They're way too funny not to read!! if you think reading about someone receiving deaththreats is amusing your one sick **** You can think what you like mate. However reading the idiotic unfounded lies and internal propaganda on your forum is funny. Also Mr Cookware's off the wall rants are very amusing. Combine that with Madeye McCreedy and CYVOK's blogs and you've got some great entertainment. So I stand by my comment - they're way too funny not to read.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.31 23:51:00 - [420] Originally by: Rexy Originally by: Dianabolic Actually, he DOES have EVERYTHING to prove. Not a single member from BoB has been banned for harassing anyone in EvE. Not a single one. We keep in very close contact with EVERY member of BoB. So, that means that either CCP hasn't dealt with it (a shame) - in which case we WILL deal with it - or Pyrex is lieing. Whichever one it is we do not wish to be associated with such behaviour, so he can either do the whole community a favour and name and shame, or he can stfu. actually that is between him, ccp and the person who issued the deaththreats. also, discussing such things is probably a breach of the eula as it's between gm's and players. and if you have such issue's with communications between players that is not meant for your eyes in the first place, why dont you stop reading our forums so no he doesnt need to prove anything, not in the least to you. i suggest you look within your own member base for answers, and stop harrasing players. actually rexy he has alot to proof. Ever since this war started BoB members have been called exploiters, rl losers, cheaters, criminals, gms, devs and whatever else is left in the book of insults. Now once again an ASCN command member portrays them in a bad light this time as "rl baddies threatening someones life and property over a game". So far noone of these accusations actually fielded an ounce of proof and were either balant defamations, insults or small minded lack of gameknowledge combined with an oversized ego and some crappy pr. BoB offered you a hand in this case to present your case and to come clean. If you fail to name names and to take the hand it might become obvious that you lied AGAIN. If that would be the case i guess your reputation and your credibility is out of the window.... But i guess its okay if you air baseless accusations aslong as it is against BoB. P.s. if the deaththreats are for real, petition and get the guy banned. Such a person has no place in a gaming environment and both the community and he himself need to be protected by his removal. If ccp doesnt act im sure one of the Ceos will because it is a direct violation of what bob stands for.
Rexy DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 23:52:00 - [421] Edited by: Rexy on 01/11/2006 00:05:46 Originally by: DoctorGonzo You can think what you like mate. However reading the idiotic unfounded lies and internal propaganda on your forum is funny. Also Mr Cookware's off the wall rants are very amusing. Combine that with Madeye McCreedy and CYVOK's blogs and you've got some great entertainment. So I stand by my comment - they're way too funny not to read. debunking them as lies is what you should do if it serves your interests. and i like your propaganda posts too, more sirmolle posts 4tw Originally by: Kcel Chim actually rexy he has alot to proof. BoB offered you a hand in this case to present your case and to come clean. If you fail to name names and to take the hand it might become obvious that you lied AGAIN. If that would be the case i guess your reputation and your credibility is out of the window.... But i guess its okay if you air baseless accusations aslong as it is against BoB. P.s. if the deaththreats are for real, petition and get the guy banned. Such a person has no place in a gaming environment and both the community and he himself need to be protected by his removal. If ccp doesnt act im sure one of the Ceos will because it is a direct violation of what bob stands for. point me to where ceo pyrex went public on the e-o forums making claims about this deaththreat? a communique about it to fellow players was posted here and dragged to e-o for public display.so i fail to see what he has to come clean about. for me him saying that it happened and that the player doing it was subsequently banned by a gm is enough. <We showed ours, where is yours>
Lukom N'Sharii Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:09:00 - [422] . You sir are the arse for not even bothering to contact Druid after i advised several hours ago.. Also remember that it was Blacklight who posted on this forum (page 11) with material taken from ascn's internal forums (of which only 1 word has been picked on 'deaththreats') Bob has spun this every which way they can and personally attacked pyrex where ever possible, you are truly pathetic, get a life. So does it means that someone accused of making deaththreats can't demand proofs from accuser because of the fact that he was accused on privat forum ?
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:14:00 - [423] Originally by: Rexy point me to where ceo pyrex went public on the e-o forums making claims about this deaththreat? a communique about it to fellow players was posted here and dragged to e-o for public display.so i fail to see what he has to come clean about. for me him saying that it happened and that the player doing it was subsequently banned by a gm is enough. So youre telling me here that he can insult and accuse ppl wildly and ull buy into it "cause he said so" ? It becomes more and more evident on what warped fundaments your alliance is build. Where insulting and the defamatory namecalling of your opponents in private seems to be latest fashion. Especially if it covers up your own defeats and helps to push the salty tear for the extra moral snap in your tired and exhausted membersbase. It seems you folks are the ones taking it waaaaaaaaay to serious. Be it private or public doesnt matter there.
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:18:00 - [424] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Rexy point me to where ceo pyrex went public on the e-o forums making claims about this deaththreat? a communique about it to fellow players was posted here and dragged to e-o for public display.so i fail to see what he has to come clean about. for me him saying that it happened and that the player doing it was subsequently banned by a gm is enough. So youre telling me here that he can insult and accuse ppl wildly and ull buy into it "cause he said so" ? It becomes more and more evident on what warped fundaments your alliance is build. Where insulting and the defamatory namecalling of your opponents in private seems to be latest fashion. Especially if it covers up your own defeats and helps to push the salty tear for the extra moral snap in your tired and exhausted membersbase. It seems you folks are the ones taking it waaaaaaaaay to serious. Be it private or public doesnt matter there. you take it sirious enough to comment it... its a game man! **** need to make a new sig...
Rexy DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:27:00 - [425] Edited by: Rexy on 01/11/2006 00:27:33 Originally by: Kcel Chim So youre telling me here that he can insult and accuse ppl wildly and ull buy into it "cause he said so" ? It becomes more and more evident on what warped fundaments your alliance is build. Where insulting and the defamatory namecalling of your opponents in private seems to be latest fashion. Especially if it covers up your own defeats and helps to push the salty tear for the extra moral snap in your tired and exhausted membersbase. It seems you folks are the ones taking it waaaaaaaaay to serious. Be it private or public doesnt matter there. your claims about my alliance are irrelevant in this matter,so i'll ignore that. just because you demand proof and in the absence off assume it must be a lie hardly gives you the right to demand anything. someone chose to smear it over e-o and demand proof.if you are so concerned about your alliance you would have used private channels instead of this. i have no need to buy into any of pyrex's sayings, i've played with him for a long time and trust his word. your opinion on that matter, again is irrelevant(edit, to me i should say). if you choose to save face by calling him a liar , well if that's what you need to feel better there's nothing i can do to stop that. <We showed ours, where is yours>
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:35:00 - [426] Edited by: ProphetGuru on 01/11/2006 00:36:12 It comes down to this. If my leaders were to lie to me, they would lose my loyalty and trust. BoB is founded on loyalty and trust in our leadership. Because of that, for us to see a leader of another alliance, enemy or friend, lieing to their members (and a very vicious and serious lie it would be in this case) in an attempt to make us look evil, and rally loyalty of their membership is perplexing and angering. We just can't understand it... it baffles us as we don't understand why such things must be fabricated for a game, as the only real reason your membership should need to fight us is ingame survival and ..... fun. I see your general members in ASCN saying gg and having a blast etc... you should be motivating thru the fun factor not the fabrication factor. It bothers us in another way, we don't understand how your membership puts up with it. If our leaders were creating such lies and feeding them to us in the amounts ASCN's are, they would have no troops left to command.. and that's a fact. WHile it's not my place... I would dare say I can vouch for every member of BoB on that. Trust and loyalty to our leadership is part of our core foundation... the biggest shock of this war so far for me, is that the same can not be said of ASCN. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:38:00 - [427] Originally by: ProphetGuru It comes down to this. If my leaders were to lie to me, they would lose my loyalty and trust. BoB is founded on loyalty and trust in our leadership. Because of that, for us to see a leader of another alliance, enemy or friend, lieing to their members (and a very vicious and serious lie it would be in this case) in an attempt to make us look evil, and rally loyalty of their membership. We just can't understand it... it baffles us as we don't understand why such things must be fabricated for a game, as the only real reason your membership should need to fight us is ingame survival and ..... fun. I see your general members in ASCN saying gg and having a blast etc... you should be motivating thru the fun factor not the fabrication factor. It bothers us in another way, we don't understand how your membership puts up with it. If our leaders were creating such lies and feeding them to us in the amounts ASCN's are, they would have no troops left to command.. and that's a fact. WHile it's not my place... I would dare say I can vouch for every member of BoB on that. Trust and loyalty to our leadership is part of our core foundation... the biggest shock of this war so far for me, is that the same can not be said of ASCN. jada, jada, jada, the propaganda machine is running (psychological warfare, in its prime) **** need to make a new sig...
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:42:00 - [428] It appears that lying and baseless accusations are requirement in ASCN HC. What happened to you guys? You used to be respectable. False death threats, exploit accusation, logging off in combat, is that what makes your ordinary member fallow ASCN leadership to their deaths? LetÆs hope HC are not thieves and bolt with all alliance assets when the going gets tough (and it will), because you will have no one to blame but yourselves for fallowing leaders like that. The truth will set you free
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:44:00 - [429] Originally by: Sir Juri jada, jada, jada, the propaganda machine is running (psychological warfare, in its prime) If that's the best you can come up with in response to what I said then the end is even closer then I thought. If you need any advice on posting to E-O without making yourself look retarded, I give lessons for the "slow" on Sundays just after dt for a nominal fee. Please send me an Eve Mail should you wish to reserve your slot, I'll send the shortbus over to pick you up in Fountain. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:51:00 - [430] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Sir Juri jada, jada, jada, the propaganda machine is running (psychological warfare, in its prime) If that's the best you can come up with in response to what I said then the end is even closer then I thought. If you need any advice on posting to E-O without making yourself look retarded, I give lessons for the "slow" on Sundays just after dt for a nominal fee. Please send me an Eve Mail should you wish to reserve your slot, I'll send the shortbus over to pick you up in Fountain. Yeah I do need lessons in posting by a forum *** (or self proclaimed forum king,) please and about my reply, well its all BS you try push on every enemy you ever had, to break up its member base. Its just propaganda and lies tbh. All your trying to accomplish is starting arguments over nothing to discredit ASCN. Well GL! PS: dont forget to put on along skill before DT! ** need to make a new sig...
Serret Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 00:56:00 - [431] Originally by: Sir Juri and about my reply, well its all BS you try push on every enemy you ever had, to break up its member base. Its just propaganda and lies tbh. All your trying to accomplish is starting arguments over nothing to discredit ASCN. Well GL! Just keep telling yourself the party line. I'm sure all will be settled soon enough. -- <Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 01:01:00 - [432] Originally by: Sir Juri Originally by: ProphetGuru It comes down to this. If my leaders were to lie to me, they would lose my loyalty and trust. BoB is founded on loyalty and trust in our leadership. Because of that, for us to see a leader of another alliance, enemy or friend, lieing to their members (and a very vicious and serious lie it would be in this case) in an attempt to make us look evil, and rally loyalty of their membership. We just can't understand it... it baffles us as we don't understand why such things must be fabricated for a game, as the only real reason your membership should need to fight us is ingame survival and ..... fun. I see your general members in ASCN saying gg and having a blast etc... you should be motivating thru the fun factor not the fabrication factor. It bothers us in another way, we don't understand how your membership puts up with it. If our leaders were creating such lies and feeding them to us in the amounts ASCN's are, they would have no troops left to command.. and that's a fact. WHile it's not my place... I would dare say I can vouch for every member of BoB on that. Trust and loyalty to our leadership is part of our core foundation... the biggest shock of this war so far for me, is that the same can not be said of ASCN. jada, jada, jada, the propaganda machine is running (psychological warfare, in its prime) So can you tell me, with your hand on your heart that everything HC has published on your internal forums is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 01:01:00 - [433] Originally by: Sir Juri [Yeah I do need lessons in posting by a forum *** (or self proclaimed forum king,) please OK, I will await your eve-mail reserving your space. Quote:** and about my reply, well its all BS you try push on every enemy you ever had, to break up its member base. Its just propaganda and lies tbh. All your trying to accomplish is starting arguments over nothing to discredit ASCN. Well GL! Your reply was a troll, nothing more. Nothing I said is BS, and nothing I said is a lie. You may not agree with them, but falling into the ASCN mindset of assuming anything a BoB member says has to be a lie is no more then a disservice to yourself, and makes you look like you can not back up your position on any issue of importance. By the way, we aren't arguing about nothing. Try to pay attention to what you are responding to before you hit post. My post was referring to the unfounded allegations brought forth in this post. Do try to keep up. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 01:01:00 - [434] Originally by: Serret Originally by: Sir Juri and about my reply, well its all BS you try push on every enemy you ever had, to break up its member base. Its just propaganda and lies tbh. All your trying to accomplish is starting arguments over nothing to discredit ASCN. Well GL! Just keep telling yourself the party line. I'm sure all will be settled soon enough. Just keep repeating yourself over and over... and over and over and... well aslong as you have time to forum troll. **** need to make a new sig...
Serret Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 01:03:00 - [435] Originally by: Sir Juri Just keep repeating yourself over and over... and over and over and... well aslong as you have time to forum troll. Translation: 'I know you are but what am I?' -- <Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 01:03:00 - [436] Originally by: OzaLoni Originally by: Sir Juri Originally by: ProphetGuru It comes down to this. If my leaders were to lie to me, they would lose my loyalty and trust. BoB is founded on loyalty and trust in our leadership. Because of that, for us to see a leader of another alliance, enemy or friend, lieing to their members (and a very vicious and serious lie it would be in this case) in an attempt to make us look evil, and rally loyalty of their membership. We just can't understand it... it baffles us as we don't understand why such things must be fabricated for a game, as the only real reason your membership should need to fight us is ingame survival and ..... fun. I see your general members in ASCN saying gg and having a blast etc... you should be motivating thru the fun factor not the fabrication factor. It bothers us in another way, we don't understand how your membership puts up with it. If our leaders were creating such lies and feeding them to us in the amounts ASCN's are, they would have no troops left to command.. and that's a fact. WHile it's not my place... I would dare say I can vouch for every member of BoB on that. Trust and loyalty to our leadership is part of our core foundation... the biggest shock of this war so far for me, is that the same can not be said of ASCN. jada, jada, jada, the propaganda machine is running (psychological warfare, in its prime) So can you tell me, with your hand on your heart that everything HC has published on your internal forums is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Eh its a game dude, not a courthouse If you feel the need to swear on the bible for a game then be my guest **** need to make a new sig...
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 01:06:00 - [437] Originally by: ProphetGuru jada, jada, jada. Do try to keep up. Its hard to keep up with ppl that live on the forums. And even then it stands true, reading comprehension 4tw. **** need to make a new sig...
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 01:07:00 - [438] Originally by: Serret Originally by: Sir Juri Just keep repeating yourself over and over... and over and over and... well aslong as you have time to forum troll. Translation: 'I know you are but what am I?' Anyway it was fun, keep it up guys, perhaps you can win the forum war!? **** need to make a new sig...
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 01:20:00 - [439] Wow, you really are a credit to your alliance Sir Juri. I wonder how many more posts before ASCN HC reigns you in for causing such embarassment. -----
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.01 01:30:00 - [440] Out of curiosity, can an ASCN member categorically state wether proof has been provided to any of the accusations that have been put forth in this thread? In particular the death threat, but also for log on tactics, known exploits, etc, or generally anything BoB has said they haven't done. I've been looking, but I simply can't find a thing. That means one of two things... my kung fu is weak and I missed it, or no evidence of any manner other than hearsay has been provided. I admit to some frustration when it appears that people run their mouths yet are unable to provide the goods. I say this from the perspective of an alliance member in FIX who underwent an extended campaign vs BoB and never experienced or heard of any of the charges laid against them here, occuring towards us.... and you can be very sure I'd have heard about it if FIX had underwent what you state is the norm for this war. Blog
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 02:10:00 - [441] I'd like to have all ASCN read the next line please. Stop posting in these threads, unless you are specifically authorized by your CEO, HC, Gilbert, John or CYVOK (or their designate). Moving on. In regards to Death Threats: Petition it, move on. This goes for both sides. I really don't understand why people get so sideways when some random numpty threatens you- 99% of the time they don't know what country you live in, let alone the city, or address, or phone number. CCP doesn't give that stuff away, you do. In your website, or your Bio. Protect that stuff. Lie and say you're from Sweden. If they somehow have your home address or telephone number, contact your local law enforcement. Dead horse successfully beaten into mulch. Moving on. War brings out the worst in people. Read these forums enough and you'll see what I mean. It's trick or treating time. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 02:37:00 - [442] Originally by: Angelus X I wonder how many more posts before ASCN HC reigns you in for causing such embarassment. Originally by: Gungankllr I'd like to have all ASCN read the next line please. Stop posting in these threads, unless you are specifically authorized by your CEO, HC, Gilbert, John or CYVOK (or their designate). Ding ding ding ding ding. -----
Bonafyde The Legion.	Posted - 2006.11.01 02:51:00 - [443] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Dragutinovic Originally by: Butter Dog The talk of in-game death threats is frankly pathetic. One mail to the mods and the account responsible is banned forever. You wish . Go ahead and try it, then. Send me a mail, make it sincere so I am 'fearful' for my RL. We'll see how long your account lasts. I give you 24 hours. If CCP confirms that the threatening mail is authentic, they don't screw around with this stuff. Zero tolerance is pretty much the word here. I've seen it happen twice now. Some people really don't like mercs... Off topic, but Fallout sig is ftw. :D
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 03:34:00 - [444] Right, no further comment about R/L threats from either side will be necassary on these forums, from either side. Thanks. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 04:41:00 - [445] Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: Angelus X I wonder how many more posts before ASCN HC reigns you in for causing such embarassment. Originally by: Gungankllr I'd like to have all ASCN read the next line please. Stop posting in these threads, unless you are specifically authorized by your CEO, HC, Gilbert, John or CYVOK (or their designate). Ding ding ding ding ding. angie you plebbbbbbbbbbbbb - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 04:44:00 - [446] uh oh!! gobbins you broke the ascn no posting rule!!!11!!! And I bet your not one of the ASCN HC approved forum posters and if you are, well I think all is lost. -----
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2006.11.01 04:56:00 - [447] Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: Angelus X I wonder how many more posts before ASCN HC reigns you in for causing such embarassment. Originally by: Gungankllr I'd like to have all ASCN read the next line please. Stop posting in these threads, unless you are specifically authorized by your CEO, HC, Gilbert, John or CYVOK (or their designate). Ding ding ding ding ding. Now we just need someone to do the same for all the endless swarm of BoB forum hacks and we'll be all set! You guys really should just pick a few of the best and have them represent. You're starting to put out a real Goonswarm vibe with the blizzard of posts.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.01 05:55:00 - [448] Edited by: Zaethiel on 01/11/2006 05:56:51 Quote: GQ2 and H8-ZTO are ours now. They are the price you pay for believing that dividing a disorganized force and carrying out attacks with no purpose is a superior strategy to dealing with the inadequacies of your fleet. The division of your forces has only served to our benefit, as your various groups will then enjoy a mix of inconsequential victories and horrendous losses. Being goverened by the fear of taking responsibility for a focused effort, your High Command has chosen instead to cleave deep gashes in your ranks. Who is to blame now for the loss of GQ2 and H8-ZTO? Who shall take responsibility? A bit premature and cokcy don't you think? From what i've heard ASCN still owns H8 and that GQ2 is falling back into their hands as well. Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? _________________________________________
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.01 06:05:00 - [449] Pssh, Gobbins makes a great designated poster
Havras The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 06:11:00 - [450] Edited by: Havras on 01/11/2006 06:12:15 Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Pssh, Gobbins makes a great designated poster Tomas... Noooooooo! I'm SO going to get you killed now just for leaving ASCN you bum. Now who am I going to get to try and get killed in my gangs???
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 06:12:00 - [451] Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't.
Brian Detaah Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.01 09:26:00 - [452] Edited by: Brian Detaah on 01/11/2006 09:27:01 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: Angelus X I wonder how many more posts before ASCN HC reigns you in for causing such embarassment. Originally by: Gungankllr I'd like to have all ASCN read the next line please. Stop posting in these threads, unless you are specifically authorized by your CEO, HC, Gilbert, John or CYVOK (or their designate). Ding ding ding ding ding. angie you plebbbbbbbbbbbbb - Gob On a different note. I have no stake in this as im not playing atm, but that is a funny sig :) ------------------------------------------------ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' `The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.' `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:43:00 - [453] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't. Speaking of proof, was there any closure, either way, on the Riddari/SirMolle trains GM's accusation? Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:51:00 - [454] Originally by: Trooper B99 Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't. Speaking of proof, was there any closure, either way, on the Riddari/SirMolle trains GM's accusation? None whatsoever. Riddari is full of excrement.
Lukom N'Sharii Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:03:00 - [455] Edited by: Lukom N''Sharii on 01/11/2006 23:38:54 Deleted because of KSU Druid request above
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:35:00 - [456] Originally by: Lukom N'Sharii Edited by: Lukom N''Sharii on 01/11/2006 23:24:01 It is funny that ASCN members constantly missing the point that the person who made the rumors of "deathtreads" public was CEO Pyrex by himself when he posted it on privat forum used by ASCN members . BoB only made it more public. Additonaly if there was breach to Eula in this case, in my opinion CEO Pyrex was the person who made it. I don't understend why ASCN members are so suprised thet BoB is demending proofs after we were publicly accused of deathtreating ? There is no diference if it was 5 , 10 or 5000 users forum cos it was done publicly. As long as CEO Pyrex will show proofs You are defending the lost case. And it is a real shame you couldn't honor your Alliance mate's, KSUDruid, request that both BOB and ASCN stop posting about it.
Lukom N'Sharii Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:38:00 - [457] Edited by: Lukom N''Sharii on 01/11/2006 23:42:02 Ups I missed it My post will be deleted
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:46:00 - [458] Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 01/11/2006 23:46:59 Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't. We do have the gq2 station m8 (we got it early in the morning before the long dt) because your sov dropped. Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens this weekend, last one we were unable to stop that 27 dread steamroller of doom you put together, but this weekend is a different weekend . EDIT: I mean yesterday morning - well the morning before the dt of doom. - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:48:00 - [459] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 01/11/2006 23:46:59 Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't. We do have the gq2 station m8 (we got it early in the morning before the long dt) because your sov dropped. Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens this weekend, last one we were unable to stop that 27 dread steamroller of doom you put together, but this weekend is a different weekend . EDIT: I mean yesterday morning - well the morning before the dt of doom. - Gob I'm sure they'll say they've already gone forward in time, won the battle and it was a 10 to 1 kill ratio.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:51:00 - [460] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 01/11/2006 23:46:59 Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't. We do have the gq2 station m8 (we got it early in the morning before the long dt) because your sov dropped. Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens this weekend, last one we were unable to stop that 27 dread steamroller of doom you put together, but this weekend is a different weekend . EDIT: I mean yesterday morning - well the morning before the dt of doom. - Gob Dont kid ur self m8 , When we took GQ2 and H8- ur alliance did nothing but shake in their boots at our steamroll then slowly started to pull their pants and move , now we had lesser numbers and thats the only reason u guys have sov. I suggest u pull what ever stuff u have there b4 its too late and u prob will be selling it on escrow at 50% discount "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:58:00 - [461] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel , now we had lesser numbers and thats the only reason u guys have sov. So? Now you guys are making excuses? Your probably gonna get smacked by your own alliance, the rest of them would never admit to failure.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.02 00:05:00 - [462] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 01/11/2006 23:46:59 Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't. We do have the gq2 station m8 (we got it early in the morning before the long dt) because your sov dropped. Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens this weekend, last one we were unable to stop that 27 dread steamroller of doom you put together, but this weekend is a different weekend . EDIT: I mean yesterday morning - well the morning before the dt of doom. - Gob Dont kid ur self m8 , When we took GQ2 and H8- ur alliance did nothing but shake in their boots at our steamroll then slowly started to pull their pants and move , now we had lesser numbers and thats the only reason u guys have sov. I suggest u pull what ever stuff u have there b4 its too late and u prob will be selling it on escrow at 50% discount **, allright u got me, deep in my heart I know it is all lost. Will you buy my Imicus then? 1'990'000 isk just for you mate! Comes with a gratuitious gift of 1x Janitor and a named Asteroid Scanner. - Gob Originally by:** SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 00:05:00 - [463] Originally by: Malius Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel , now we had lesser numbers and thats the only reason u guys have sov. So? Now you guys are making excuses? Your probably gonna get smacked by your own alliance, the rest of them would never admit to failure. Who are you? Why should i care what u think sicne u aint BOB or ASCN ? Smacked? sorry you are mistaking me for an ASCN memeber whom their leaders gag them and bag them if they speack on forums b4 a written approval by their leadership. We admit faliure same as we admit victory so get ur facts straight. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
sylh Celestial Fleet	Posted - 2006.11.02 05:41:00 - [464] Gobert, why do you bother mate?! Bother ingame, not here.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 06:11:00 - [465] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig **, allright u got me, deep in my heart I know it is all lost. Will you buy my Imicus then? 1'990'000 isk just for you mate! Comes with a gratuitious gift of 1x Janitor and a named Asteroid Scanner. - Gob Lol, Take it easy m8 i wasnt smacking i was just poking to get a rise out of ya tbh i was quite dissapointed due to the lack of show from ASCN on the last weekend so lets hope this weekend there will be plenty "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"**
Gallente Vengeance Gallente News Network	Posted - 2006.11.02 06:47:00 - [466] Well, this weekend stuff might indeed happen, but, when asking some ASCN sources about it, the words : 'POS', 3 days of strontium, Massive blobs and 'Xetic boredom tactics 4TW'. There have also been some movement in the north in the last days. Only logistics I am told, but, several freighters have been spotted where alts of known northern corps have moved to the north-west with strontium and shieldhardners. I can't get anyone to confirm this in the northern regions, but, it seems to me,that BOB are not the onlyone to go on an offensive this weekend. GV GNN News that mathers.
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.02 07:02:00 - [467] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 01/11/2006 23:46:59 Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't. We do have the gq2 station m8 (we got it early in the morning before the long dt) because your sov dropped. Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens this weekend, last one we were unable to stop that 27 dread steamroller of doom you put together, but this weekend is a different weekend . EDIT: I mean yesterday morning - well the morning before the dt of doom. - Gob Dont kid ur self m8 , When we took GQ2 and H8- ur alliance did nothing but shake in their boots at our steamroll then slowly started to pull their pants and move , now we had lesser numbers and thats the only reason u guys have sov. I suggest u pull what ever stuff u have there b4 its too late and u prob will be selling it on escrow at 50% discount **, allright u got me, deep in my heart I know it is all lost. Will you buy my Imicus then? 1'990'000 isk just for you mate! Comes with a gratuitious gift of 1x Janitor and a named Asteroid Scanner. - Gob janitor is worth more because all the outposts are smeared with ** from when you guys were afraid in there doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Lt Widowmaker Caldari StormTroopers	Posted - 2006.11.02 08:25:00 - [468] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 01/11/2006 23:46:59 Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't. We do have the gq2 station m8 (we got it early in the morning before the long dt) because your sov dropped. Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens this weekend, last one we were unable to stop that 27 dread steamroller of doom you put together, but this weekend is a different weekend . EDIT: I mean yesterday morning - well the morning before the dt of doom. - Gob Dont kid ur self m8 , When we took GQ2 and H8- ur alliance did nothing but shake in their boots at our steamroll then slowly started to pull their pants and move , now we had lesser numbers and thats the only reason u guys have sov. I suggest u pull what ever stuff u have there b4 its too late and u prob will be selling it on escrow at 50% discount hey kid you might want to go over to GQ2 and see who owns it lol. BOB your forum games isnt working as well as you like?? You need to stop lieing about everything and people might start liking you a little bit.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 08:57:00 - [469] Originally by: Lt Widowmaker Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 01/11/2006 23:46:59 Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't. We do have the gq2 station m8 (we got it early in the morning before the long dt) because your sov dropped. Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens this weekend, last one we were unable to stop that 27 dread steamroller of doom you put together, but this weekend is a different weekend . EDIT: I mean yesterday morning - well the morning before the dt of doom. - Gob Dont kid ur self m8 , When we took GQ2 and H8- ur alliance did nothing but shake in their boots at our steamroll then slowly started to pull their pants and move , now we had lesser numbers and thats the only reason u guys have sov. I suggest u pull what ever stuff u have there b4 its too late and u prob will be selling it on escrow at 50% discount hey kid you might want to go over to GQ2 and see who owns it lol. BOB your forum games isnt working as well as you like?? You need to stop lieing about everything and people might start liking you a little bit. Actually lt brown nosed bootlicker, thats an extremely accurate account of what happened when we rolled into there so his statement is fact. Ascn have spammed more pos but they will be dealt with as normal, try not to look so dumb in future Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.02 09:26:00 - [470] So what's the current state of the war? Nice one BoB putting together 27 dreads in an op and nice one ASCN for getting the station back. Without going into who's gonna do what to who what's the current situation with regards to stations on both sides?
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 09:31:00 - [471] Edited by: fire 59 on 02/11/2006 09:41:04 Originally by: Hans Roaming So what's the current state of the war? Nice one BoB putting together 27 dreads in an op and nice one ASCN for getting the station back. Without going into who's gonna do what to who what's the current situation with regards to stations on both sides? As of 1 min b4 dt, we had gq sov and they had h8 sov, they spammed more pos's just before the large dt. The stations have been extremely buggy also and seem to need gm intervention each time it changes so other side can shoot it, tis wierd to see a station with no hull or armour Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 11:02:00 - [472] Edited by: Yazoul Samaiel on 02/11/2006 11:02:59 Originally by: BoinKlasik janitor is worth more because all the outposts are smeared with ** from when you guys were afraid in there We dont need Janitors m8, thats what Axiom is made for Axion Capabilities "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"**
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.11.02 13:41:00 - [473] I read few lines of this post and just wanted to say that B(l)oB is sad little corporation and they are just e-peen raising CS kiddies who wants to destroy EVE. B000ring ego-boost post. "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" PERVS \o/
Maule Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 13:59:00 - [474] Originally by: Kuolematon I read few lines of this post and just wanted to say that B(l)oB is sad little corporation and they are just e-peen raising CS kiddies who wants to destroy EVE. B000ring ego-boost post. I dunno why ppl call bob for blob, do you expect us to kill acsn using a 10 man fleet or something ? As for the other part, it would be the same if i said that you played whit barbies and watched teletoppies on television. I dunno as the same as you dont know if we¦re like that so stop drawing to conclusions, just makes you look like a fool. as for destroying eve, care to tell me what you mean about that ?
Stickey Crak	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:07:00 - [475] Originally by: Kuolematon I read few lines of this post and just wanted to say that B(l)oB is sad little corporation and they are just e-peen raising CS kiddies who wants to destroy EVE. B000ring ego-boost post. B(l)oB??? what alliance would that be? I guess your pathetic excuse for a corporation has never seen a FLEET? Too bad u're one of those ppl who need to be reminded that his is just a GAME and that BoB enjoys every moment and every aspect of it. Grow up
Trefnis Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:12:00 - [476] Originally by: Maule watched teletoppies on television. ITS TELETUBBIES!!!! How could you
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:14:00 - [477] Oh, come off it. Everyone knows they why they are called B(l)oB. If you don't, try taking a ceptor or something into their space and seeing what the reaction is. BoB have an almost Hive-like mentality. Lots of worker bees in T2 battleships, being told exactly what to do and how to do it by the FC's. They have great FC's, of course. But actually being a standard member requires no real talent, short of fitting your Mega with 425 II's and Spike and doing what you are told.
Maule Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:20:00 - [478] Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, come off it. Everyone knows they why they are called B(l)oB. If you don't, try taking a ceptor or something into their space and seeing what the reaction is. BoB have an almost Hive-like mentality. Lots of worker bees in T2 battleships, being told exactly what to do and how to do it by the FC's. They have great FC's, of course. But actually being a standard member requires no real talent, short of fitting your Mega with 425 II's and Spike and doing what you are told. Going by that everyone should be called blob, pretty much any alliance have done that to hostiles in their space since the first alliance apered(sp?) as for getting teletubbies worng, well who cares
Jenessa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:29:00 - [479] Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, come off it. Everyone knows they why they are called B(l)oB. If you don't, try taking a ceptor or something into their space and seeing what the reaction is. BoB have an almost Hive-like mentality. Lots of worker bees in T2 battleships, being told exactly what to do and how to do it by the FC's. They have great FC's, of course. But actually being a standard member requires no real talent, short of fitting your Mega with 425 II's and Spike and doing what you are told. Actually about 3 months or so back we did a nice little excursion to Delve. There were only about 6 of us and what amazed us was just how little hassle we got. Maybe the main people were off fighting somewhere but we spent about a week there in HAC's and Inty's and did surprisingly well. Did well enough for a couple of BoB guys to start running their mouths off in local about how they had no "respect" for us since we used EW on em. Somehow though I have a feeling it wouldn't be as easy now as it was then
Irimi Nage Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:35:00 - [480] The best fleet pilots are one that follow orders, even when for the most part, they don't need those orders. BoB has insane depth of FC, yet you'll see people who could be in charge of any other alliances fleets with no problems sitting back and following orders just like the perfect worker drone. Skilled fleet pilots know the true importance of fitting spike to the 425s on their megathrons and doing exactly what they're told. If it took no talent to do that, you'd see every other alliance in game with the fire focus and hitting power we have. The fact is, the more you trust your alliance mates, and your FCs, and the more you fly, the more willing you are to NOT think in fleet, and THAT is the key to winning fleet battles. Experience shows. ---
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:39:00 - [481] Originally by: Jenessa Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, come off it. Everyone knows they why they are called B(l)oB. If you don't, try taking a ceptor or something into their space and seeing what the reaction is. BoB have an almost Hive-like mentality. Lots of worker bees in T2 battleships, being told exactly what to do and how to do it by the FC's. They have great FC's, of course. But actually being a standard member requires no real talent, short of fitting your Mega with 425 II's and Spike and doing what you are told. Actually about 3 months or so back we did a nice little excursion to Delve. There were only about 6 of us and what amazed us was just how little hassle we got. Maybe the main people were off fighting somewhere but we spent about a week there in HAC's and Inty's and did surprisingly well. Did well enough for a couple of BoB guys to start running their mouths off in local about how they had no "respect" for us since we used EW on em. Somehow though I have a feeling it wouldn't be as easy now as it was then Wow, things must have really changed sense the last time when I went on raids into Delve. We would come in +10 gangs and kill a few of them and about 30 minutes into the raid, we would have about 30 BoB come after us very quick. 50/50 chance that we would make it back in one piece, but then again whats the fun of raiding unless there is a fight

Petwraith Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:48:00 - [482] Locked for cleaning. This post will be removed when cleaning is complete --- If it ain't orange, it ain't offical!


Petwraith Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.03 18:43:00 - [483] After extensive cleaning I have re-opened this thread. Please do not flame, troll, or make threats of any kind. RL threats should be reported to CCP and not discussed, in any fashion, on these boards. This thread will be monitored closely for any further forum rule breaches and warnings will be issued promptly for anything that falls under this catagory. --- If it ain't orange, it ain't offical!

Fedaykin Naib 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.03 21:14:00 - [484] Originally by: Petwraith After extensive cleaning I have re-opened this thread. Please do not flame, troll, or make threats of any kind. RL threats should be reported to CCP and not discussed, in any fashion, on these boards. This thread will be monitored closely for any further forum rule breaches and warnings will be issued promptly for anything that falls under this catagory. It would better just to have saved all the work and just lock the thread "Long Live the Fighters!"
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:54:00 - [485] Shortest SirMolle thread I can recall tbh... I think BoB may find, like the germans did in WOII fighting the Russians, that high quality units in small numbers might have a very tough time against an oponent that has loads of cannonfodder and is willing to sacrifice it. Now wait and see how the fighter tactic will hold up, actually quite a smart idea if the focus of your aliance lies in industrial activities... (no clue whatsoever if it is actually worthwhile, just think it is clever) To remain unbiased, it seems BoB is fighting skillfull as ever. ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 04:16:00 - [486] Originally by: Apollo Balthar Shortest SirMolle thread I can recall tbh... I think BoB may find, like the germans did in WOII fighting the Russians, that high quality units in small numbers might have a very tough time against an oponent that has loads of cannonfodder and is willing to sacrifice it. Now wait and see how the fighter tactic will hold up, actually quite a smart idea if the focus of your aliance lies in industrial activities... (no clue whatsoever if it is actually worthwhile, just think it is clever) To remain unbiased, it seems BoB is fighting skillfull as ever. While I do agree with you on the fact that using fighters is a good idea if you have the industrial backbone to support it, let me give you an example of the kind of numbers we are talking about here. Over the period of a couple of hours a week or two ago, we killed 50 - 60 fighters (estimated) for the loss of a single dictor. Thats 1.2bill isk / minerals, however you look at it. Fighters are extremely easy to kill, and don't have the AI to tell them to use transversal, or any of the other techniques you can teach your actual pilots. The fact that ASCN has resorted to fighter bombing in T1 frigs, instead of improving their overall skill when it comes to fighting, is a step in the wrong direction. Now is when you need to be improving most, and instead a strategy has been devised that looses you billions in resources while gaining you no experience at all. In my opinion (however little that means), it is possibly the worst decision to date. HC have moved from starving there pilots of experience by blaming external influences for all shortcomings, to replacing them with NPC fleets.

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