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Xasz G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Xasz on 29/10/2006 23:14:35 Nope, not at all...
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:20:00 - [2] sure they are macros? the names are ledgeable......
Big Al Another Lame Corp	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:22:00 - [3] Can't really say for sure they are macros, could just be a dedicated miner who failed many spelling tests.
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:22:00 - [4] Edited by: Rakeris on 29/10/2006 23:23:30 Psh, only 3? In the Uemisaisen there are like 4-6 retrevers all with straingly simaler names and 1-2 haulers that haul the ore... And they are on like 23/7 and never do anything if you steal their ore...I've took millions in ore from them, and they never do/say a thing. ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Xasz Edited by: Xasz on 29/10/2006 23:14:35 Nope, not at all... Its the macro t2 component POS runners that bother me more. Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:27:00 - [6] are tehy 'Dead Hauler' 'Dead Miner' and 'Dead Miner2' now? Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw!
St Dragon Blood Association of Dragons	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Xasz Edited by: Xasz on 29/10/2006 23:14:35 Nope, not at all... looks more like someone with his 2 alts mining away hardly wrong if he is there operating them at same time. And i know it can be done as i know someone who reguly operates 5 accounts at once ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Xasz G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:32:00 - [8] I also have a lovely set of chat logs... feel free to check their bios if you need to. [ 2006.10.29 22:49:45 ] dark miner2 > I'm not the MM [ 2006.10.29 22:49:50 ] Xasz > ok... [ 2006.10.29 22:49:52 ] Xasz > :\| [ 2006.10.29 22:49:57 ] Xasz > then what are you? [ 2006.10.29 22:50:05 ] dark miner2 > : ) [ 2006.10.29 22:50:23 ] dark miner2 > just mining with my fighter [ 2006.10.29 22:50:37 ] Xasz > you're named "dark miner 1' and 'dark miner 2' [ 2006.10.29 22:50:45 ] Xasz > and you're both in npc corps [ 2006.10.29 22:51:09 ] dark miner2 > there are all my friend's ACT [ 2006.10.29 22:51:31 ] dark miner2 > i don't know anything with there ACT [ 2006.10.29 22:51:34 ] Xasz > ...in covetors. and a mammoth. [ 2006.10.29 22:51:42 ] Xasz > as 'alts' [ 2006.10.29 22:51:45 ] Xasz > riiight. [ 2006.10.29 22:52:28 ] Xasz > who's your main character, if you arn't indeed lieing? [ 2006.10.29 22:52:54 ] Xasz > I'll happily leave you alone for the small sum of 2,000,000 isk [ 2006.10.29 22:53:20 ] dark miner2 > i don't have any ISK for u [ 2006.10.29 22:53:26 ] Xasz > Mmkay. [ 2006.10.29 22:53:28 ] Xasz > So who does? [ 2006.10.29 22:53:33 ] dark miner2 > 200MAIL so funy [ 2006.10.29 22:53:38 ] Xasz > 2 mil. [ 2006.10.29 22:53:39 ] Xasz > two. [ 2006.10.29 22:53:43 ] Xasz > not twenty. [ 2006.10.29 22:55:34 ] dark miner2 > w8 [ 2006.10.29 22:55:50 ] Xasz > alright. [ 2006.10.29 22:57:10 ] dark miner2 > right now [ 2006.10.29 22:57:26 ] dark miner2 > what's wrong with me? [ 2006.10.29 22:57:43 ] Xasz > well, lets see. [ 2006.10.29 22:57:56 ] Xasz > you're named 'dark miner2' next to 'dark miner1' and 'dark hualer' [ 2006.10.29 22:58:00 ] Xasz > you're in a noob corp [ 2006.10.29 22:58:07 ] Xasz > and you're mining in a covetor. [ 2006.10.29 22:58:11 ] dark miner2 > yean [ 2006.10.29 22:58:16 ] Xasz > I just want 2 million isk, and I'll be gone forever. Is that so wrong? [ 2006.10.29 22:58:19 ] dark miner2 > what's wrong ? [ 2006.10.29 22:58:52 ] dark miner2 > i told u i just mining with my figter [ 2006.10.29 22:58:56 ] Xasz > we're just trying to cut down on the macrominer population [ 2006.10.29 22:59:00 ] dark miner2 > there aern't my ship [ 2006.10.29 22:59:01 ] Xasz > We don't like macrominers. [ 2006.10.29 22:59:26 ] dark miner2 > is there your system? [ 2006.10.29 22:59:48 ] dark miner2 > i'm a new player [ 2006.10.29 23:00:05 ] Xasz > you say you're new... [ 2006.10.29 23:00:07 ] dark miner2 > i don't have any isk to buy aything [ 2006.10.29 23:00:12 ] dark miner2 > so i must mining [ 2006.10.29 23:00:24 ] Xasz > but your info says you've been around for 6 months [ 2006.10.29 23:00:29 ] Xasz > thats quite a long time [ 2006.10.29 23:00:31 ] dark miner2 > there are all my friend's ACT [ 2006.10.29 23:00:42 ] dark miner2 > not mine [ 2006.10.29 23:01:11 ] Xasz > is your friend playing on any of them currently? [ 2006.10.29 23:01:17 ] Xasz > I'd like to talk to them. [ 2006.10.29 23:01:35 ] dark miner2 > he is not online [ 2006.10.29 23:01:39 ] dark miner2 > sry [ 2006.10.29 23:01:47 ] Xasz > then why are you using 3 of his accounts? [ 2006.10.29 23:02:08 ] dark miner2 > because I can do hat [ 2006.10.29 23:02:17 ] dark miner2 > because i can do that [ 2006.10.29 23:02:31 ] Xasz > mmkay. And you can also macromine for cash? [ 2006.10.29 23:02:48 ] dark miner2 > i need more isk to buy anything [ 2006.10.29 23:03:05 ] dark miner2 > i said i'm not the MM [ 2006.10.29 23:03:13 ] Xasz > then whya re you macromining? [ 2006.10.29 23:03:19 ] dark miner2 > i just mining with my fighter ACT [ 2006.10.29 23:03:25 ] Xasz > What fighter? [ 2006.10.29 23:03:30 ] Xasz > I don't see you in a fighter [ 2006.10.29 23:03:34 ] Xasz > I see you in a mining barge [ 2006.10.29 23:03:41 ] dark miner2 > a new ACT [ 2006.10.29 23:03:51 ] Xasz > mmkay. [ 2006.10.29 23:04:02 ] Xasz > And what's his name? [ 2006.10.29 23:04:26 ] dark miner2 > blood cuder
Xasz G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:33:00 - [9] [ 2006.10.29 23:04:47 ] dark miner2 > that my act [ 2006.10.29 23:04:54 ] dark miner2 > isn't online now [ 2006.10.29 23:06:09 ] Xasz > so, why can't you make your isk like regular people? [ 2006.10.29 23:06:10 ] dark miner2 > do u have any poplem now? [ 2006.10.29 23:06:18 ] Xasz > do missions, mine with that character. [ 2006.10.29 23:06:23 ] Xasz > Don't macromine. [ 2006.10.29 23:06:32 ] dark miner2 > because there too fast to get ISK [ 2006.10.29 23:07:38 ] dark miner2 > i don't know what can I do for the missions [ 2006.10.29 23:07:51 ] dark miner2 > i said i just a new player [ 2006.10.29 23:07:55 ] Xasz > well, you have two options to get me to leave [ 2006.10.29 23:08:00 ] Xasz > 1) jettison all your ore [ 2006.10.29 23:08:04 ] Xasz > 2) pay me 2 million isk [ 2006.10.29 23:08:24 ] Xasz > your choice [ 2006.10.29 23:08:35 ] dark miner2 > there ore all for u [ 2006.10.29 23:08:52 ] Xasz > where? [ 2006.10.29 23:09:03 ] dark miner2 > i really don't have any isk [ 2006.10.29 23:09:08 ] Xasz > Jettison the ore then [ 2006.10.29 23:11:32 ] dark miner2 > nowthing now [ 2006.10.29 23:11:51 ] Xasz > alright, have a nice day. [ 2006.10.29 23:11:59 ] Xasz > and consider changing from macromining. [ 2006.10.29 23:12:08 ] Xasz > feel free to kill me with your drones, too [ 2006.10.29 23:12:24 ] dark miner2 > k thx [ 2006.10.29 23:12:41 ] Xasz > who is your friend? [ 2006.10.29 23:12:47 ] Xasz > who owns the accounts? [ 2006.10.29 23:13:06 ] dark miner2 > he is not online [ 2006.10.29 23:13:13 ] Xasz > yes, what is his name? [ 2006.10.29 23:13:18 ] dark miner2 > but i can phone with him [ 2006.10.29 23:13:31 ] dark miner2 > i forget hes name in game [ 2006.10.29 23:13:47 ] dark miner2 > 2 hours later i will be tell him name [ 2006.10.29 23:14:50 ] dark miner2 > 2hours later i will be tell u he's name [ 2006.10.29 23:17:10 ] dark miner2 > now closing
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:35:00 - [10] Seriously who cares? i quite like buying megathrons for 95m. Plus no normal player would want to mine low end stuff anyway. --- Lodhi ftg
Xasz G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:36:00 - [11] I constantly stop macro operations in the Amarr/Ashab area, and this was the goofiest looking trio I've seen yet O_o The rest were all the regular "no reply, just mine and occasionally belt hop" kind. Kinda makes me wonder, what constitutes macromining after all?
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Xasz Kinda makes me wonder, what constitutes macromining after all? Because you say they are? Seriously, you lead the entire conversation, you apply guilt for absolutely no reason but the sound of your own voice throughout. And you want justice. ______
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:12:00 - [13] Xasz if you asked me the same questions over and over, without hearing my answer's i'd petition you for harrasment. -------------------- SoonÖ Copyright CCP. I don't pay money to play this game, I pay to see how badly CCP screw it up.
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:20:00 - [14] Originally by: St Dragon Originally by: Xasz Edited by: Xasz on 29/10/2006 23:14:35 Nope, not at all... looks more like someone with his 2 alts mining away hardly wrong if he is there operating them at same time. And i know it can be done as i know someone who reguly operates 5 accounts at once it's a little lame, but hey, if someone want's, as appears to be the case here, to pay for three subscriptions, and alt-tab between three accounts at once, then let them. try stealing from their drop cans :P ========================================== Iy
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:27:00 - [15] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Xasz Edited by: Xasz on 29/10/2006 23:14:35 Nope, not at all... Its the macro t2 component POS runners that bother me more. eh? It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Tek'a Rain Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:29:00 - [16] he admitted to sharing account, right? against the rules, that. call a GM, we need a banstick sent around Foiritan Is Our Man
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:30:00 - [17] Edited by: Dahak2150 on 30/10/2006 01:30:28 There were, until I got involved, 8 characters all with names ending in -gnaw in Luminaire. For example, ellagnaw. Each had a common first name followed by gnaw. Same with -gnod. carlagnod, carlgnod, etc. Not to mention the 5 guys with alphanumeric strings, all the same age, all mining together. I've also seen a guy named Borignaw (note the similarities) farming complexes. He also seems to've loaned his caracal (I did a show info on his/her ship. Amyux was in Borignaw's caracal) to an amyux who cursed at me in chinese when I dared to enter the same complex as he/she. But that's another story. Edit: Your link is broken. It seems EVE > Imageshack. ---------- My sig is boring.
Tunajuice	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:25:00 - [18] /shrug I have tons of chars that start with the word tuna. They mine together when I choose to. But yet, I am definitely at the keyboard at all times (although I only pay attention to chat on one of them).
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:48:00 - [19] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 30/10/2006 02:48:08 Don't use imagecrap, use eve-files or a more respectable hosting site. also macromining isn't that big a problem (still an exploit though) as mineral prices still climb ever higher.
Duradam MetaForge Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:12:00 - [20] Alt tabbing between three accounts isn't the same as macro mining. Its nearly the only effective way to mine in 0.0 alone, without cordinating schedules and a shareing plan with someone else. It takes cordination and attention to do well, not to mention more of an investment. While the names are a bit suspicious, nothing from that exchange confirms macroing, and the fact he responds at all suggests its not. Macro mining involves the use of macros. No, really. Its in the name. 3rd party software utilities that control the interface, sans your hard work. Poping them isvigilante justice, as what they are doing is illegal, they just haven't been caught by the authorites yet. You have the right to commit acts of piracy on a non-macro miner too, but don't pass it off as vigilante justice. Own up to what it is, the ransom demand of a pirate. If the miner doesn't have the force to fight you off, of course you can extort cash from him- its all part of the game. I'm all for disrupting macro miners, and don't really have a problem with your extortion bid, but I do wish we'd all call a spade a spade.
Pressure Line Pirates of Destruction Union	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:29:00 - [21] so anyway, im cruising my usual haunts, and i see a buncha noobcorp nubs in local. jump on the scanner and whaddaya know... Brutix, Cyclone, BadgerII and a mega sitting in a belt next to a load of cans marked 21121 etc... needless to say i begin salivating jump into the local pirate channel and ask who wants to help me gank a load of nublet miners, couple of people raise there hands. i quickly shoot thru the belt and bm warpins for the miners spots. Round 1: (Pirates) Thorax, Blackbird, Taranis Vs (Miners)Megathron, Cyclone Brutix + cloud of VespaI's Losses Round 1: (Pirates) Thorax [warped to station with gcc] (Miners) Cyclone + Pod just missed out on the mega cos i forgot to scram it :( Round 2: The Next Day (Pirates) Thrasher, Vagabond Vs (Miners) Brutix, Megathron, BadgerII Vs (Random unrelated ratters having a duel) Arbitrator, Caracal Losses Round 2: (Pirates) None (Miners) Brutix + Pod(?), Megathron + Pod, BadgerII + Pod (Ratters) Caracal, Arbitrator the miners acted very suspiciously in that: a) they didnt dock as soon as i entered local (-9 with a bounty) b) they didnt dock as soon as i entered their belt the first time (again -9 with a bounty) c) they did it again the next day d) not a word in local, not one, no pleas for mercy, nothing e) when i warped in the belt not only did they not head for dock asap, they IGNORED me till i locked them [honestly, who thinks "maybe this flashy red guy with a bounty on him in a corp with the ticker 'POD.U' will just go away if i ignore him" i cannot follow that line of reasoning] its my belief that it was a farmer, not a macro, a macro would have been more intelligent tbh
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Fuglife Seriously who cares? i quite like buying megathrons for 95m. Plus no normal player would want to mine low end stuff anyway. You'd be suprised at how lucrative Veldspar is to a newbie. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Maria Ravenwind Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Xasz I constantly stop macro operations in the Amarr/Ashab area, and this was the goofiest looking trio I've seen yet O_o The rest were all the regular "no reply, just mine and occasionally belt hop" kind. Kinda makes me wonder, what constitutes macromining after all? You're a nub. Stop harrassing legitimate players. What I post in no way represents the opinions of my corporation or alliance.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Xasz Edited by: Xasz on 29/10/2006 23:14:35 Nope, not at all... Its the macro t2 component POS runners that bother me more. eh? T2 component production, at macro managed POS... Its all the new rage! Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Dearwin Gallente The Kennels	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:07:00 - [25] I also just ran across my 13th "XianguehXXX" in a noob corp Raven in the empty parts of Venal/Branch tonight.
Rees3	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:09:00 - [26] Borinaw is usualy in the aydoteuxe or what ever region all he does is farm the bloody complex and whever i enter there with him or one of his farmer friends around i get yelled at in some illegible language(i only speak english). So iv taken to targeting him and seeing if he fires on me but it would seem he has been banished to low sec for his crimes.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:17:00 - [27] Why would the macroers name their accounts/alts variations of the others? Behaviour, not names, is indication of macroing. Unless they really are terminally dumb (yes, that goes for all of you who use numerics in their alt names...actually, it goes for anyone who ever uses a number in a name). ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Jin Jemai Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:54:00 - [28] Sigh. When the heck will people learn to stop using the craptastic site that is known as imageshack. ----- Lighten up a little bit. It's only the end of the world.
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:25:00 - [29] I am sorry, but I have to take offense at the immediate assumption that 3 accounts constitutes a macro miner. I routinely mine with 3 accounts and use no macros to accomplish this, especially with the 3 minute cycle time of the strip miners, it is extremely easy to run 3 accounts. Now, I am in no way saying that this is not a 'sweat shop' ISK mining operation, just that 3 accounts is totally doable by 1 person and does not require a macro to operate. -=^=- My Bookmarking Guide
Golerre Evraun	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:30:00 - [30] how bout 8, where the mining barges only react to being bumped when the hauler shows up? "oh they were only afk mining" not for 15 minutes in a barge they weren't. the problem is that there are simply not enough people dedicated to dealing with this. ---------------------------------------- If you ain't dyin, You Ain't tryin.
Chalice Ghant	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:20:00 - [31] Having reported macro miners to ccp and gotten a snotty "It¦s not enough to just label people as macro miners for us to take action" reply, i¦ve given up on the whole thing. 4 mining barges in a newbie corp, 2 haulers also, all created within 3 hours of each other on the same day. Attempts to talk to them in local are ignored for over two hours, as is repeated ramming and moving ore from thier cans. All the names were random groups of letters, such as "fffffffth" If thats not enough to get ccp to take an interest then screw it. I¦ve got better things to do with my time than help ccp police thier own game.
Simon Illian Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:42:00 - [32] Some times ppl whant to have more experience by multiple account, it's not because you run 3/4 account to optimize you'r mining operation that you are a macrominers, sorry but IF the ppl respond to you he's in front of his computer, you harass him about Macrominers, but for me minign with 3/4 account have no link with macrominer who mine all the days, aren't in they front computer and other, you just show a "I ranson you, my point of pressure is i harass you", and you feel a bit stupid for me, if you don't like MM, just petition, destroy his ship / steal his Ore, don't appear like this -\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/ When you need a mad man, call me i'me ready to serve ! -\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/null
Victor Valka Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:53:00 - [33] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Fuglife Seriously who cares? i quite like buying megathrons for 95m. Plus no normal player would want to mine low end stuff anyway. You'd be surprised at how lucrative Veldspar is to a newbie. The man is right. Hell, I mine scordite and veldspar because everything higher then that (pyrox, omber) is: 1) stripped as soon as it spawns, 2) mining it solo is hard because it involves a lot of moving around and the hauling logistics get complicated.
Rick Dentill Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:19:00 - [34] He is only a macrominer if he is using a macro, I know people who can run multiple accounts and mine and haul with them. If that is the case then he is not doing anything wrong. It depends on what the next step is i.e. selling the minerals to get isk to sell for $ or not. But how can you prove that? The fact that he is conversing with you suggests he may well be at the controls. Course sharing account is EULA breaking but there we go. _______
Quin Tal Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:22:00 - [35] Bandwidth limit exceeded, ohhhhhh dang nabit.
Matthew Munro Gallente Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:49:00 - [36] Well, that is the weakest "proof" of MMers I've ever seen
Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Rick Dentill He is only a macrominer if he is using a macro, I know people who can run multiple accounts and mine and haul with them. If that is the case then he is not doing anything wrong. It depends on what the next step is i.e. selling the minerals to get isk to sell for $ or not. But how can you prove that? The fact that he is conversing with you suggests he may well be at the controls. Course sharing account is EULA breaking but there we go. Exactly what he said. I'm sure the farmers have wised up to the fact that the use of macros is easily detecable server-side. And I guess if you're paid a pittance in a sweatshop in a country where that pittance amounts to a reasonable wage, farming studiously with multiple accounts on multiple PCs, you become rather quick at it Curse you trade/power/whatever4game. ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.
Blighter	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:39:00 - [38] let corps war dec vs. NPC corps, problem solved.
Himoane	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:03:00 - [39] yeah because that won't up the noob-gank numbers at all... Mke mining require more attention and interaction.. As it is now, when I'm hauling the miners are afk anyways because they just have to check in and click once ever now and then and instead watch movies and stuff while I have to do the crappy part.... More demands on mining I say!

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