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Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:54:00 - [31] Could of been an ishtar?
Krakkan	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:55:00 - [32] Edited by: Krakkan on 30/10/2006 17:57:30 whats wrong with 3mill sp and in a battleship? i was ratting alone in .0 with my tempest when i had 3mill sp but faction stuff? isk is both easy and hard to make, camp a gate and you can make tons, grind lvl 3 missions and you make extremely little, do some smart trading and you can make alot of mills but faction stuff.. i know how fast you can pop with only 3mill sp so i think the answer is there Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Ramming torpedo .... <lots of whining>.... Your problem wasnt the HAC. The problem was that you and your friend were completely outclassed by the pilot you faced. Ive seen HACs killed by force recons. Ive personally taken down battleships 1 on 1 in my own force recon. Bottom line is that you and your friend (assuming hes about the same skillpoints as you) had no business trying to PvP in battleships. You can think all you want that your skills are "decent", and you can try relying on faction modules to save your butt (and im not even going to ask how a pair of 3 mil SP characters can afford all those faction mods, because it will just bring up the inevitable "ebay is bad" argument), but fact is youre not ready for BS combat, at least not against a halfway skilled opponent. The fact that youre surprised your torps didnt do much damage to the HAC is evidence enough of that. T1 torps wont do jack against a HAC or command ship. Hell the guy probably could have killed you just as easily in an assault frigate if it wasnt for the sentries. I honestly wish that CCP had put skillpoint minimums to train certain skills, to prevent people from even training the battleship skills until they had like 5 or 6 million skillpoints. Because the number of noobs who hop in a battleship as fast as possible and then act shocked when they lose it to a more skilled/experienced player is just staggering. This signature space for rent
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Ramming torpedo than why do people fly HACs instead of command ships? Skillpoints. Training time for command ships is far beyond whats needed to get into HACs. You could make the argument that you need almost as many skillpoints to fly a HAC effectively, but most people consider themselves 'ready' for a ship the minute they have the skills to undock in it. Sort of like the OP and his bud in battleships with 3 mil SP. Just because you can undock in it doesnt mean youre ready to fight in it. This signature space for rent
Pottsey Gallente Acme Shipping Inc	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:15:00 - [35] ôHACs require something like 30-45 days less training and are "cool". Also you need HAC skills to fly a command ship.ö You donÆt need HAC skills to fly Command ships at least not the best ones :). I love my Eos. Even though it is 30days training more I often wonder why more people dont use command ships. Who wouldnt want a green ship that has style? The paint work alone makes it good. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:57:00 - [36] I have driven off a HAC (Ishtar) in a T1 Torp Raven (exp damage) and when the HAC went for me, he had at least 2 Angels BS engaging him at the same time (0.0 so no sentries). From the sounds of it though, this is either made up, there has been a mistake in identifying the ship in question (I'm wondering Sleipnir / Claymore with Cap boosters), or the post is a joke to rile up all the HAC pilots. Akkarin Linkage <3 - Immy
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.30 19:27:00 - [37] uhm yeah, now let old zwerg tell a story when he was young: A long, long time ago in a very distant galaxy there lived young zwerg, he just joined the game ( 2 days old ) and got that he could buy a titan, he convoed sir molle and he gave him the avatar at once. No wonder it was the young zwerg! Fully fitted with 25.893 doomsday device thingys lil zwerg went to 0.0 to kill some stuff. The first gate he jumped in ( edit: lil zwerg was to lazy to jump the 20jumps to the first 0.0 so he clone jumped ) lil zwerg sees a ibis @ the gate, on the look of it it had like 709.9 425mm Railguns II fitted and a tank of doom. His friend ( a gallente shuttle ) was stupid firing around with his ak47 onboard. Those guns were hitting a planet which exploded. then the gate! DEAD, you know the gate it was DEAD, just DEADDDDDD. Well then lil zwerg ( 2,34 days old now ) --> ( was now able to upgrade his avatar to the more deadly BLACK AVATAR decloaks and is activating his 25.893 doomsday devices. But they weren't hitting the ibis of doom and the mad gallente ak47 shuttle. After 0.256 seconds fighttime the Avatar + the whole BoB black fleet and all other alliances fleeds + capital fleet were destroyed. Now i dont get it. What did i wrong? maybe i should have fitted another half doomsday device or what? That ak47 shuttle of doom ( edit: GALLENTE SHUTTLE ) was just invicible to my doomsday, well however, i bought the whole ccp networks the next day and now all ccp workers + tuxford + george w. bush are my slaves. Otherwise i have to say that queen mum is really good in cleaning shoes! Maybe ill borrough her when im coming back from my trip to the sun ( need holiday ) What i wanted to tell you with that story was: 1st. Dont steal our time in writing ****zle in here that never can happen. 2nd. grow up or use your brain when youre telling lies. 3rd. Alt post FTL ( you know what i mean ) 4th. WTB HAC THAT CAN TANK 2BS + SENTRYs + the uber gallente shuttle of doom with inbuild ak47 guns. /zwerg Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
Thor Xian Vertigo One	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:10:00 - [38] Lol good one, tell another RT. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
Siakel	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:13:00 - [39] Edited by: Siakel on 30/10/2006 21:14:02 Hm.. now aside from all the other obvious lies or mistaken ships here, he was using Amarr Navy Multifrequency? Anyone else see a problem, here? I've been playing for two and a half years and I've never even seen a faction Multifreq crystal. So aside from the obvious insane cost of said crystals, how did he obtain 7 of them? Edit: And as for the person saying he shouldn't use Multifreq... what exactly is he supposed to use, then? He can't exactly swap to an equally high-damage EM-only crystal.
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:46:00 - [40] Was most likely a Sleipnir, that's the only shield tanked ships I know of that could take out 2 BS within a couple of minutes and could also get mistaken for a HAC by a noob. This of course assuming that your flaky story wasn't a crock of **. HAC's are easy to take out, hell you can do it in a BC pretty easily if you're a decent pilot. -- Originally by:** RUNYOUFOOLS wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford.
FolCan Chadarris	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:31:00 - [41] Humm.. Ok one thing I don't get, aside from all the other glaring obvious mistakes... They're pirating on a gate... surely the sentry guns would have been shooting at them, and not at the HAC? The whole story seems a lot more plausible if the Hac had the sentries on his side...
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:41:00 - [42] Originally by: FolCan Chadarris Humm.. Ok one thing I don't get, aside from all the other glaring obvious mistakes... They're pirating on a gate... surely the sentry guns would have been shooting at them, and not at the HAC? The whole story seems a lot more plausible if the Hac had the sentries on his side... Well remember, if the OP and his friend really had only 3 mil SP (which seems doubtful given some of the skill levels he quoted), then there very well could be all sorts of inconsistencies in their story. They easily could have had the sentries on them, and not on their target. The target could easily have been a command ship, and not a HAC, and remember, at least one of the BS's was fitted with torps, and im assuming only t1 torps given the SP level. T1 torps wouldnt do crap to a HAC, so that BS is basically non existant in terms of this fight. And I wouldnt put a whole lot of trust in a 3m SP battleship pilots tracking skills, so whos to say he could even hit a close range orbiting HAC ? If this story is even legit, my money is on the sentries being on the HACs side, so all we really have is a HAC tanking/evading the damage of 2 completely noob battleships, and using its own DPS plus sentries to kill them. Thats not hard to believe at all. This signature space for rent
Naal Morno ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:47:00 - [43] The HAC had Cheese Cutter II fitted, duh. _________________________________________ Once I thought T2 BPO Lottery is a problem... Then I've become a part of problem and I stopped thinking so anymore.
Chaimera Grumpy Old Farts	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:48:00 - [44] You have a 0.0 sec status in game and you are 23 days old. Facts gleamed from that: 1. You do not have 3mil skill points. 2. Since you do not have 3 mil skill points, you are obviously posting under an alt. Conclusions: If you are going to post under an alt with a story that is 99.99999999999999999% unbelievable you will need to give the formongers (forums + mongers ) more details for it to be taken seriously. Beware of the killer grumpies!
Chaimera Grumpy Old Farts	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:49:00 - [45] ah, forgot ... something else. If you were popping numerous ships as you stated before, your sec status on your main is probably less than -5.0, which means the sentries were not shooting the other guy in the supposed HAC at all. Beware of the killer grumpies!
Naal Morno ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Chaimera ah, forgot ... something else. If you were popping numerous ships as you stated before, your sec status on your main is probably less than -5.0, which means the sentries were not shooting the other guy in the supposed HAC at all. More over, once you returned fire, the sentries engaged their cheese cutters and you perished to sentry fire. I bet the HAC pilot had a day of his life with the loot he gathered. _________________________________________ Once I thought T2 BPO Lottery is a problem... Then I've become a part of problem and I stopped thinking so anymore.
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:33:00 - [47] Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:36:56 Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:33:51 Well i have just under 4 million SP, got my raven with about 700k SP, took me playing way too much during summer vacation "college student btw" to build up the isk from missions but it was worth it :-). I've lived in 0.0 for little over 4 months, and I still say 0.0 experience is far more importaint then SP. 3-4 million SP isn't bad for PVP if you have it trained in the right skills and have experience in 0.0. I have a little under half a billion isk. 2 ravens "with faction/best named on my ratter". Just pointing out i don't think SP isn't EVERYTHING But with that done i still agree with the above people, Either A you are total and complete newbies "good chance of Ebay there considering how little fitting experience you probebly have", or B your story has AT LEAST been bent. I'm guessing a combination of both.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:53:00 - [48] capital ships cannot kill hacs. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.10.31 01:14:00 - [49] more stories please! im converting to roleplayer now --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Rania Serlia TetraMorph Nexus Inc. The Imperial Order	Posted - 2006.10.31 01:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Randay capital ships cannot kill hacs. Capital ships fielding vast amounts of T2 medium drones can try.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.31 01:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Randay capital ships cannot kill hacs. Carrier should be able to... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.31 01:50:00 - [52] no its pure unpossibleness. 3M sp capital ships cant never ever kill 2003 elitist hacs. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.10.31 01:52:00 - [53] Edited by: Samirol on 31/10/2006 01:52:42 Originally by: Chaimera formongers (forums + mongers ) did you mean ore mongers? This corp is recruiting. Billboard Project
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Randay no its pure unpossibleness. 3M sp capital ships cant never ever kill 2003 elitist hacs. Yes, because the only "capital" you can get into with 3mil sp is a freighter. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Carnye Dubro Caldari Shock and Awe	Posted - 2006.10.31 05:24:00 - [55] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Either you're sleeping with Chribba or you're using EBay, and I can't say either of those two options are very appealing. LOL Yeah sleeping with me is prolly as fun as mining Veldspar... I'll mine Veldspar please...
Litus Arowar Amarr Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2006.10.31 07:27:00 - [56] sleeping with chribba is far more lucrative than mining veldspar though... cytomatrix> Try sitting inside a big frickin ball filled up with glue and tubes stuck up your nose and your arse. Then compare RL and Eve.
Destiny Calling Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:21:00 - [57] Edited by: Destiny Calling on 31/10/2006 10:21:15 To the op I was that HAC pilot edit: sorry was in never never land that night. Cry me a river, build be a bridge and get over it In memory of another sig
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Destiny Calling Edited by: Destiny Calling on 31/10/2006 10:21:15 To the op I was that HAC pilot edit: sorry was in never never land that night. I've ****ed myself laughing. U don't need movies when u have such Eve stories... hahahaahahahaha
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:48:00 - [59] Once i got to the faction multifreqs part i knew it was all BS.
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.31 12:35:00 - [60] Originally by: Ramming torpedo Yes, i do. I skilled the skills for BS first, took the turret skill to Large 3, than trained surg strike to V. Most of my other skills are still suffering, all my skills are purely focused on my geddon. No support skills make a good paper battleship In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU

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