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Ramming torpedo
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:04:00 -
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Here is my story. Me and my corpmate went camping in our BSes. We don't have very much SP; only 3 mil or so each, but we have all our basic battle skills trained, i can use several T2 modules (Hardners, cap rechargers, etc).
We went gatecamping in hopes of making some isk. We just sit there, popping the ocasional hauler or ship that seemed worth killing. We killed BCs and such, and could most likely take a decently skilled BS.
We killed ships for a while, took 2 BCs, several frigs, a cruiser, etc...
And than one of those extremely elitist 2003 HAC pilots shows up. I decided not to attack. Surprisingly though, the HAC attacks us! Sentries start firing it, we both lock it. I'm blasting it down with my dark blood megapulses with amarr navy multifreq at optimal range (Webbed too!), in my armageddon (Gunnery V, Large energy turret IV, Surgical strike V, motion prediction IV, Rapid firing III, amarr battleship III.)
My friend in a raven locks it as well, starting to jam it and barage it with toropedos, and 2 heavy NOS with it. We have it webbed and i'm firing at perfect range, while sentries blast it too. In the bag it seemed, no?
However, there was one small problem. It wasn't taking any damage. No damage done. Shield never went below 80%. Now it's not a lack of skills - while not stellar, we both had reasonable battle skills.
2 minutes later, both me and the raven are dead, and the HAC takes our expensive modules without even bothering with the sentries.
Now i have a question: Didn't CCP want to prohibit solopwnmobiles? Are HACs overpowered? Because even if we both had Tech II with perfect skills, we might have won but barely, most likely one of us would still be blown up. Heck, i know for a fact our corp HAC pilot can afk tank sentries, and solo dominix.
Can anything realisticly beat a HAC on an even playing field, or are they just the ultimate, end all pvp solo ship, bar nothing?
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
Praxiteles Inc.
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:07:00 -
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hello !
and stop posting crap
this story i was to unrealistic ...
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Old Geeza on 30/10/2006 16:10:27
The fact that you were in battleships with only 3m SP and trying to use faction modules to make up for it is probably the cause of your troubles. By the sounds of it, you could've been beaten by a T1 cruiser.
Of course, this could be a flamebait post, in which case end yourself.
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The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Ramming torpedo
We don't have very much SP; only 3 mil or so each,
I'm afraid this is where your story begins and ends. 3M SP in a BS vs a T2 fitted HAC does not indicate a solopwnmobile. HAC's are generally known as BS killers so I doubt you'll find many who are worried that a HAC could kill two low skill BS pilots.
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:12:00 -
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3M sp noobs...so you're something like 3-5 months old depending on your stats and learning skills.
I agree with the poster above, the story sounds a bit odd. How you could even afford those Dark Amarr blood navy whatevers if you've been just camping gates popping newbies who've been passing by? I know they're not terribly expensive but they're still faction items which I wouldn't fit to any PvP/pirating ship in general because it's just not profitable in the long run.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
Praxiteles Inc.
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Edited by: Old Geeza on 30/10/2006 16:10:27
The fact that you were in battleships with only 3m SP and trying to use faction modules to make up for it is probably the cause of your troubles. By the sounds of it, you could've been beaten by a T1 cruiser.
Of course, this could be a flamebait post, in which case end yourself.
hac taking centrys 2 mins and 2x bs who where in perfect situation + 2 heavy nos sure ...
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Arktaos
Minmatar
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:16:00 -
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Crappy story T_T
no HAC can tank that much while tanking sentry's.
And out of a total 3M SP, you got 1M SP in Surgical Strike alone?
Not very believable story.
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guyutte
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:16:00 -
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Which HAC was it? it would say in the kill mail. It prolly was a Elite Battlecruiser. Also Torps do nothing against a HAC unless they are T2 Javs.
Faction mods also at your skill lvl would be like Named Items. Basically your Skills wouldnt benifit using Faction items.
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Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:22:00 -
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impossible story the hac would be very fast dead.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:23:00 -
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lol. 3m sp noobs with BSs and faction guns.. HAHHAHAHA. eeebay...
Because I said so...
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Ramming torpedo
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:28:00 -
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Yes, i do. I skilled the skills for BS first, took the turret skill to Large 3, than trained surg strike to V. Most of my other skills are still suffering, all my skills are purely focused on my geddon.
Yes, i know a 3 M sp BS isn't anything stellar and in a fair HAC VS BS fight, i should have lost. However, this was 2 BS + Sentries against a single HAC. We had the range on our side, we had NOS on our side. I had T2 hardnders, and armor compensation skills at III. The HAC tore trough me like cheese.
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Fogy
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:29:00 -
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Pasiv tanked nighthawk.. 
N00bs dies to thous all the time..
but the storry is slim.. 3mill sp,
1mill in surgical strike 
faction mods..
eraning isk from gaitcamping..
I mean.. WTF!?
Try again dude.. this just dosnt cutt it!! 
Cheers!
Fogy
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Commander Thrawn
Tarnak inc.
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Arktaos
Crappy story T_T
no HAC can tank that much while tanking sentry's.
And out of a total 3M SP, you got 1M SP in Surgical Strike alone?
Not very believable story.
lol that's what i was thinking too
here's my question. why would someone lie lol???
what can't you possibly gain by posting a lie on these forum with regards to your skills lol
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Fogy
Caldari
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
The HAC tore trough me like cheese.
Say no more.. 
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guyutte
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:35:00 -
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So now you have T2 Hardners "Mechanic 5" "Hull Upgrades 5"
I wish i have your skills when i was that young WTF!
HAx
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Commander Thrawn
Tarnak inc.
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
Yes, i do. I skilled the skills for BS first, took the turret skill to Large 3, than trained surg strike to V. Most of my other skills are still suffering, all my skills are purely focused on my geddon.
Yes, i know a 3 M sp BS isn't anything stellar and in a fair HAC VS BS fight, i should have lost. However, this was 2 BS + Sentries against a single HAC. We had the range on our side, we had NOS on our side. I had T2 hardnders, and armor compensation skills at III. The HAC tore trough me like cheese.
i really dought this, i fly and zealot and a sac
the sac can tank like mad but 2 Bs and sentties will eventually kill it, plus it had **** dps
as for the zealot it wont tank the sentries forever, at least not long enough to kill 2 BSs solo lol.
so HACs are the uber
and heavy nos = death to a hac unless its a minie or caldary missiles boat
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:36:00 -
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Show us the killmail first please.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:38:00 -
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In EVE, skill points are king. With only 3 million skill points, you don't have the skills necessary to properly support a properly fitted Battleship. You probably lack capcitor skills, Engineering/Electrictronics V, all related gunnery skills to level 3-4 at least, shield skills, armor skills, navigation, etc etc etc etc...
I've got 7.5 million sps and I'm still having problems with my BS. ATM I just use it for level 3's and avoid PvP like the plague until I finish my T2 projectiles journey...
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
Here is my story. Me and my corpmate went camping in our BSes. We don't have very much SP; only 3 mil or so each, but we have all our basic battle skills trained, i can use several T2 modules (Hardners, cap rechargers, etc).
We went gatecamping in hopes of making some isk. We just sit there, popping the ocasional hauler or ship that seemed worth killing. We killed BCs and such, and could most likely take a decently skilled BS.
We killed ships for a while, took 2 BCs, several frigs, a cruiser, etc...
And than one of those extremely elitist 2003 HAC pilots shows up. I decided not to attack. Surprisingly though, the HAC attacks us! Sentries start firing it, we both lock it. I'm blasting it down with my dark blood megapulses with amarr navy multifreq at optimal range (Webbed too!), in my armageddon (Gunnery V, Large energy turret IV, Surgical strike V, motion prediction IV, Rapid firing III, amarr battleship III.)
My friend in a raven locks it as well, starting to jam it and barage it with toropedos, and 2 heavy NOS with it. We have it webbed and i'm firing at perfect range, while sentries blast it too. In the bag it seemed, no?
However, there was one small problem. It wasn't taking any damage. No damage done. Shield never went below 80%. Now it's not a lack of skills - while not stellar, we both had reasonable battle skills.
2 minutes later, both me and the raven are dead, and the HAC takes our expensive modules without even bothering with the sentries.
Now i have a question: Didn't CCP want to prohibit solopwnmobiles? Are HACs overpowered? Because even if we both had Tech II with perfect skills, we might have won but barely, most likely one of us would still be blown up. Heck, i know for a fact our corp HAC pilot can afk tank sentries, and solo dominix.
Can anything realisticly beat a HAC on an even playing field, or are they just the ultimate, end all pvp solo ship, bar nothing?
please try to gank me =D
on a serious note your whole story sounds a bit weird with your surgical strike 5 and DB mega pulses... man if I had your mods I would've torn right through that HAC
also, what friggin HAC was it? shield tanked HAC that tears through you like cheese? I mean cerberus has ok dmg but not ''tear through cheese'' and let's not talk about the eagle
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Tzeriz
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:40:00 -
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And what ship was he in?. eagle?  lol
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Jernau Gurgeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:44:00 -
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Are you 100% positive that the sentries were shooting at this HAC?
Now, I'm no expert on these things, but it seems to me that if you'd been pirating there that you would have been flagged as a criminal.
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Caldari
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Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:52:00 -
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So very many things wrong with this story.
I mean, yeah, I think I can say how this could have happened, if it's true. A passive tanked Nighthawk field command ship would (A) Be able to tank all of that, (B) Be immune to nos, and (C) show up on overview as the same size as a HAC, so dumbasses like the OP who don't even look at the ship might mistake it for a HAC. And yeah, with its new RoF bonus against two dumbasses with only 3mil SP in battleships, it COULD tear through them like cheese.
But really...3 million skillpoints and you're in a battleship? And where the hell did you get Dark Blood Megapulses with Amarr Navy Multifrequency? Either you're sleeping with Chribba or you're using EBay, and I can't say either of those two options are very appealing.
Ugh. I didn't start flying battleships until I had something like 17mil SP (well yeah, I was flying HACs before that, which probably makes less sense, but whatever). Where the hell do people get the idea that you need to jump into a battleship on your first day?
Oh and if it really had been a HAC and not a Command Ship, then yeah, torps would be a bad idea. And multifrequency might be a bad idea against a Nighthawk, seeing as it has a massive natural thermal resist.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:53:00 -
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Yeah this doesn't really add up. if he's shield tanked the most likely hac it would be is an ishtar which can in no way tank 2 bs and sentry guns for any amount of time. hacs are in no way a solopwnmobile and can be killed very easily considering how much they cost. my guess is it was a command ship or which is possible considering ur extremely underskilled for a bs. ur fittings even thought expensive might have been poor which may explain u losing and with ur lack of skills if he was moving fast u may have had trouble hitting with with lasers and torps.
seeing the killmail would reveal lots. just delete the persons name that killed u and the corp he is in and paste it please.
DE
(also u say large turret 4 then later on u say 3, which is it?)
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:58:00 -
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First of all, what HAC?
Second, it was a bug, or you made this story up. NO hac can tank 2 BS in heir optimal, with sentries and 2 heavy nos on him.
On the other hand, if it was a Vaga with a passive tank orbiting you 2, outrunning your m8s missiles and your lasers tracking, yeah. Hell, lets even immagine taht he got out of your web range! Still, you mentioned that your friend in a raven had jammers. Unless it was just a single multispec without any EW skills at all, he should have been jammed most of the fight.
So NO, this sounds like a story you made up.
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Talon Calais
Gallente
Nubs.
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:09:00 -
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I say take out names and post the killmail?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Either you're sleeping with Chribba or you're using EBay, and I can't say either of those two options are very appealing.
LOL Yeah sleeping with me is prolly as fun as mining Veldspar...
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ian666
Minmatar
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:13:00 -
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This is either a joke or the Hac was never taking that much fire you sure it wasn't a Command Ship? as this can do this, but not a HAC. :-) if it did then well maybe you should re think your tactic's :-)
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Pottsey
Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:15:00 -
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ôCan anything realisticly beat a HAC on an even playing field, or are they just the ultimate, end all pvp solo ship, bar nothing?ö
Command ships have both a tougher defence and do more damage along with being a lot cheaper to buy then HACÆs. I fly a field command ship and no HAC can even break its defence 1v1 it can even often stand up to 2 HACS.
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Ramming torpedo
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:25:00 -
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than why do people fly HACs instead of command ships?
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 30/10/2006 17:29:26
Originally by: Ramming torpedo
than why do people fly HACs instead of command ships?
HACs require something like 30-45 days less training and are "cool". Also you need HAC skills to fly a command ship.
edit: Forums ate my reply but thankfully I'm a doctor so I managed to save it
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