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Mudkest	Posted - 2006.10.31 12:37:00 - [61] sorry, lost interest after reading about expensive faction stuff with 3m sp - When talking about the itsy bitsy spider, try not to start with itchy, you'll get the second part wrong as well
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.31 12:45:00 - [62] to make the story a bit clearer to all, i thought about how that might have happened.... The two 3mil SP guys in raven and apoc were camping in <0.5, they killed much stuff ( edit: they didn't say that sentries were shooting them or anything else ) so we got 2 possiblities now, 1st. You were only killing under -5 peeps while you camped 2nd. You are lying They didn't get that their security status is going down. Okay no problem, i don't expect such a wise thing from a 3mil SP player with Faction Crystals/Guns. so we got 2 possibilities again, 1st. You are noobs and just wanna test what the forums are good for. 2nd. You bought money from ebay, or won a tech2 bpo ( i dont expect you guys know how to win a t2 bpo when you dont know that your sec status is going down while shooting peeps in 0.4 ) Then the hac pilot. Probably a drunken GM, a command ship or even a carrier dreadnought. The only way to kill 2 ( even noob's ) BS's @ a gate is A: you guys were under -5, then its no prob killing you in anything. BUT YOU SAID HE SHOT FIRST SO YOU GUYS GOT 15MINS KILLRIGHTS. B: He only shot one of you, that means the other guy in the raven attacked him AND TOOK THE SENTRY FIRE, and the hac guy just pulverrized you. C: The normal answer to all that: Youre telling crap?! /zwerg Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
ThAjApHiO Amarr Conisor Excavations Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:13:00 - [63] It amazes me that noone bothered to check the guys' ingame info. Been playing for 23 days, has 0.0 security standing. So unless he's posting inhere with an alt he's definately telling lies ;)
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:25:00 - [64] hes just a douchebag Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
Dragy	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:41:00 - [65] so what did atack you ? curious ...
gh0zt	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:54:00 - [66] i bet I could do it in a cerberus with my alt if they newbies in maybe a heavy missile raven and single MAR tanked dominix with medium drones... aside from that not possible!
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:56:00 - [67] Edited by: Synapse Archae on 01/11/2006 22:56:20 Originally by: ThAjApHiO It amazes me that noone bothered to check the guys' ingame info. Been playing for 23 days, has 0.0 security standing. So unless he's posting inhere with an alt he's definately telling lies ;) QFT YHBT :D --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Laughlyn Vaughns Gallente Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:09:00 - [68] SO, i'm a trial account user in my noob corp with 1.5mill SP and other day i deceided to go out gate camping in Hedion. Well i'm there sat in my cerberus and this rifter comes roaring past me so i began to lock him to unleash my Heavy Assault Missiles, i had him scrambled and webbed and was fully tanked with a Capital Shield repper and 4 Invul fields yet this rifter is just orbittign me still tanking all the concord ships that have coem onto the screen and he's there popping concord and amarrian battleships/frigs and cruisers liek they was noob frigs then turned hi ssights onto my precious cerb. he had tanked my missiles fo rat least 5 mins while his sole rifter just obliterated every security ship nearby and then proceeded to just hammer the hel outta my poor Cerbs shields until after a mintue i was sat there in my pod with charred remains of my cerb around me, the rifter pilot then looted everythign i had and wen toff laughing. true story i tell ya really was. Gimmie a D Gimmie a R Gimmie a A Gimmie a K Gimmie a E What u get? Instantdeathdealingbeastofmissilespewingdeathness
Sir Bart	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:38:00 - [69] Originally by: Ramming torpedo Yes, i do. I skilled the skills for BS first, took the turret skill to Large 3, than trained surg strike to V. You mentioned rapid firing at level 3. Rapid firing is more important than surgical strike and it's also faster to train, I strongly suggest you work on that skill. Another thing, you guys should have some nos in your setups. You have room for 1 nos and the raven has room for 2 of them. Nosferatu is the way to kill smaller ships. If you're in a cruiser vs an AF, Nos wins. Battleship vs HAC, Nos wins. Battleship vs Command ship... well Nos + hoping he has no cap injector is your only hope. Although with 2 BS using Nos and the amount of dmg you guys can inflict, he should be running into issues even with a cap injector. HAC's are weak vs a BS if the BS has web+nos. Command ships are harder to counter because they can fit a heavy cap injector (the battleship module). -Bart
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:42:00 - [70] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:36:56 Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:33:51 Well i have just under 4 million SP, got my raven with about 700k SP, took me playing way too much during summer vacation "college student btw" to build up the isk from missions but it was worth it :-). I've lived in 0.0 for little over 4 months, and I still say 0.0 experience is far more importaint then SP. 3-4 million SP isn't bad for PVP if you have it trained in the right skills and have experience in 0.0. I have a little under half a billion isk. 2 ravens "with faction/best named on my ratter". Just pointing out i don't think SP isn't EVERYTHING But with that done i still agree with the above people, Either A you are total and complete newbies "good chance of Ebay there considering how little fitting experience you probebly have", or B your story has AT LEAST been bent. I'm guessing a combination of both. Didnt I kill your raven in my brutix a few weeks ago ? This signature space for rent

Lillian Jones	Posted - 2006.11.02 06:58:00 - [71] Ah. I'm wondering if you ever got your velator set up with that t2 stuff, RT. Maybe next time you should use the velator versus the HAC, I've heard that those usually work.
Ramming torpedo	Posted - 2006.11.02 11:17:00 - [72] I tried to gank a brutix in my geddon, yes... It scrambled me and tanked me for long enough for sentries to DESTROY me.
Pottsey Gallente Acme Shipping Inc	Posted - 2006.11.02 12:44:00 - [73] ôIf you're in a cruiser vs an AF, Nos wins. Battleship vs HAC, Nos wins. Battleship vs Command ship... well Nosö ThatÆs not always true as its possible even without cap injector to be immune to Nos. My Eos has no problem with Nos Battleships and I know Vulture and other HAC/Command ships can also be ok against Nos without using cap injectors. Passive shield tanking guide click here
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.02 12:55:00 - [74] Originally by: xenodia Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:36:56 Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:33:51 Well i have just under 4 million SP, got my raven with about 700k SP, took me playing way too much during summer vacation "college student btw" to build up the isk from missions but it was worth it :-). I've lived in 0.0 for little over 4 months, and I still say 0.0 experience is far more importaint then SP. 3-4 million SP isn't bad for PVP if you have it trained in the right skills and have experience in 0.0. I have a little under half a billion isk. 2 ravens "with faction/best named on my ratter". Just pointing out i don't think SP isn't EVERYTHING But with that done i still agree with the above people, Either A you are total and complete newbies "good chance of Ebay there considering how little fitting experience you probebly have", or B your story has AT LEAST been bent. I'm guessing a combination of both. Didnt I kill your raven in my brutix a few weeks ago ? I've only lost a few ravens over the last few weaks, but basically there are 3 possibilities A. it was during that little incursion into Placid When i got ganked by a Vagabond a Zealot and some T2 frig i didn't catch. "no Brutix" B. Fleet or small group combat, In which primary is always screwed so it would mean little C. You're mistaken, my vote goes to this one. Cause other then that i usually prefer Stabbers over Ravens for PVP.
Baudolino Gallente Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.02 13:18:00 - [75] Author of this post is either lying blatantly or retarded. HACs are far from pawnmobiles and any pilot taking on a BS at a gate has to have prior knowledge as to what he`s getting himself into. I`ve been attacked by single and multiple hacs on numerous occasions and my raven has come through. On one occasion i got attacked by 3 HACs- killed a muninn and took a deimos to structure. Would have killed them all if they didn`t get rescued by a scorpion. And they we`re seasoned players. I you lost two bs at a gate to a HAC- it`s time go back to tetris or ludo- you obviously got no business here..
Ghengis Thar	Posted - 2006.11.05 02:54:00 - [76] Originally by: Pottsey ôIf you're in a cruiser vs an AF, Nos wins. Battleship vs HAC, Nos wins. Battleship vs Command ship... well Nosö ThatÆs not always true as its possible even without cap injector to be immune to Nos. My Eos has no problem with Nos Battleships and I know Vulture and other HAC/Command ships can also be ok against Nos without using cap injectors. i agree the cap on most HACs is strong enought to keep it running under the effect of 1 heavy NOS and the obvious mistake that young pilots make is to active all nos at the same time. when u were reducing ur enemy to nothing with 1 NOS the second is doing nothing to it. To NOS so that it cant shoot a decent HAC you to need at least 3 Heavy nos with a few seconds gap between each one
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.11.05 05:13:00 - [77] Originally by: ThAjApHiO It amazes me that noone bothered to check the guys' ingame info. Been playing for 23 days, has 0.0 security standing. So unless he's posting inhere with an alt he's definately telling lies ;) Lots of people pointed this out, it amazes me your amazed tbh.
Warrio Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.05 06:53:00 - [78] Humm, lets see. The battle: You V's Him Cost: 2bs (200M) + low faction gear (300M) V's HAC (~250M) + probe good faction gear (~500M) Skill points: 3M each (6M) V's 3 years of play (~30M) Experience: 3 month 'veterans' V's Some random who's likely seen every war in Eve... ever. I think see whats happening here. Fatal Revelations -LV- Winners never quit and quitters never win. But those who never win and never quit are ISK farmers. - Plato
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:54:00 - [79] I dont see they prob why a HAC couldnt WTFBBQPWN some random noobs. This scenario (allthough it is a fake jsut cause the SP and lvl5s dont amtch but meh ^^) is utterly possible. A vagabond which is in web range (<10km) can even if double-webbed fly fast enough for neither lasers to hit nor torps to do damage. And you dont even need t2 autocannons to rip trough a 3m sp battleship...
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:03:00 - [80] Cruisers, Battlecruisers, Command Ships, Battleships etc can all kill HAC's very comfortably HAC's are not that uber, tbh... they are nice toys but I would take on any HAC with a BC, and be very confident of victory.

Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.05 18:23:00 - [81] Comments on OPs post... The part that doesn't ring true is the reference to being attacked by "a HAC"...I would have thought they would have said "a Cerberus" or "a Muninn"... Raven using Torps...not best weapon against a HAC...cruise would be better 3 million skill points and "can use a fair few Tech II modules"...implies not enough in gunnery or missile skills. The fact that two slow-ass BS's managed to web the HAC. In this case, that's one VERY dumb HAC pilot and it WOULD have died (I fly a Cerb, abd rule no.1 is "Keep Moving") And to answer the original question...pretty much anything as long as you bring ENOUGH of them. --- Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums; Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?" Cleese: "I've told you once."
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.11.05 22:39:00 - [82] Originally by: Ghengis Thar Originally by: Pottsey ôIf you're in a cruiser vs an AF, Nos wins. Battleship vs HAC, Nos wins. Battleship vs Command ship... well Nosö ThatÆs not always true as its possible even without cap injector to be immune to Nos. My Eos has no problem with Nos Battleships and I know Vulture and other HAC/Command ships can also be ok against Nos without using cap injectors. i agree the cap on most HACs is strong enought to keep it running under the effect of 1 heavy NOS and the obvious mistake that young pilots make is to active all nos at the same time. when u were reducing ur enemy to nothing with 1 NOS the second is doing nothing to it. To NOS so that it cant shoot a decent HAC you to need at least 3 Heavy nos with a few seconds gap between each one Not totally true, first off 1 heavy nos would crush a non-injected HAC's cap. 2 would take it away in under a minute and 3...you get the idea. Doing what you just described is called 'cycling' and you dont have to cylce your nos on a target. The only reason people do cycle nos is as a sa***aurd against the enemies nos, where if you gain 32 cap with one med nos, he only sucks 32 cap away as compared to if you had two nos on you would gain 64 cap and if they had a heavy it would take it all in one swipe.
Pottsey Gallente Acme Shipping Inc	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:21:00 - [83] I was talking more from a Command ship point of view as I donÆt fly HACÆs. Can you not build HACÆs based around no or little cap like Command ships? I guess it would make the defence weaker but surly its still enough to give a BS a run for its money. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Laboratus Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:28:00 - [84] Originally by: Grey Area The fact that two slow-ass BS's managed to web the HAC. In this case, that's one VERY dumb HAC pilot and it WOULD have died (I fly a Cerb, abd rule no.1 is "Keep Moving") Max speed effects the maximum acceleration you can get out of your ship. So if you web it too hard it won't slow down fast enough... Last few times I've dual webbed a Vaga going 3k/s it's momentum has nicely carried it from the edge of webbing range nicely all the way out of it, while blasting away with ACs. Of course one should try to ram the vaga, but 3km/s compared to 150m/s of a BS just isn't the thing for intercepting/ramming... And, with the resists of a T2 ship and the speed of a, say vaga, the reduction in damage you get is enough to nicely shield tank two low sp characters with t1 gear... Plausible, but... unpropable. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Romulus Maximus Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 11:37:00 - [85] To the OP Thx..i needed a good laugh! Id say its entirely a possible scenario. But this story...tell me another one! Ay hac running a faction tank can cope with lots of dmg.Playing along,Id guess it was maybe a Cerb. Amarr hacs certainly dont like running with nos against them Pottsey,i doubt the commands do either tbh. If this is true, im not shocked. I mean an exspensive Zealot costs me around a bil. I quite happily engage in front of sentries. I also have pretty much maxed skills for it. Along with implants based around amarr in general. I have way more in gunnery, than both of those 'chars' put together. Pics or stfu Current RKK Ranking: (AMM15) Ace - 1000 kills
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.11.06 14:26:00 - [86] Well, a Vulture with a proper implants, full passive tank and maxed skills (and I mean full passive, cap at 100% all the time if not warping) could be able to tank well in excess of 1000 DPS in the right damage types (kin/therm) and still significantly over 400 DPS on default-weakest-against (EM) damage... assuming you DO hit him for that much DPS in the first place. Active hardner kin/therm passive tank, now then you go over 1600 DPS tanked there. _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:41:00 - [87] Originally by: Laboratus Max speed effects the maximum acceleration you can get out of your ship. So if you web it too hard it won't slow down fast enough... Last few times I've dual webbed a Vaga going 3k/s it's momentum has nicely carried it from the edge of webbing range nicely all the way out of it, while blasting away with ACs. Of course one should try to ram the vaga, but 3km/s compared to 150m/s of a BS just isn't the thing for intercepting/ramming... He said "they had it webbed"...NOT they TRIED to web it but it got away. --- Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums; Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?" Cleese: "I've told you once."
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:45:00 - [88] That is a great storyà Now I can relate to that story cause IÆm a 3mil SP noob who also flies a Raven. The only difference to the op is, that I only fly it in PVE where it is useful. I stick to my Caracal or Ferox if I want to PVPà And I donÆt PVP cause IÆm a 3 Mil SP noob. I mean just cause I have Missile Op to Level 5 dose not mean I can now go out and own my self a Geddon or Apoc. Hey Torp. and all other noobs like me, use your head! Stick to level 3Æs and 4Æs. If you want to go out and PVP, go out with your 10Mil+ corp mates, and try to be helpful to them, donÆt team up with other low SP mates and think that because you have a Gunnery or Missile Skill to Level 5 that means you can now beat a person who has more SPs in Navigation then you do in Total. ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!


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