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Ramming torpedo
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:04:00 -
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Here is my story. Me and my corpmate went camping in our BSes. We don't have very much SP; only 3 mil or so each, but we have all our basic battle skills trained, i can use several T2 modules (Hardners, cap rechargers, etc).
We went gatecamping in hopes of making some isk. We just sit there, popping the ocasional hauler or ship that seemed worth killing. We killed BCs and such, and could most likely take a decently skilled BS.
We killed ships for a while, took 2 BCs, several frigs, a cruiser, etc...
And than one of those extremely elitist 2003 HAC pilots shows up. I decided not to attack. Surprisingly though, the HAC attacks us! Sentries start firing it, we both lock it. I'm blasting it down with my dark blood megapulses with amarr navy multifreq at optimal range (Webbed too!), in my armageddon (Gunnery V, Large energy turret IV, Surgical strike V, motion prediction IV, Rapid firing III, amarr battleship III.)
My friend in a raven locks it as well, starting to jam it and barage it with toropedos, and 2 heavy NOS with it. We have it webbed and i'm firing at perfect range, while sentries blast it too. In the bag it seemed, no?
However, there was one small problem. It wasn't taking any damage. No damage done. Shield never went below 80%. Now it's not a lack of skills - while not stellar, we both had reasonable battle skills.
2 minutes later, both me and the raven are dead, and the HAC takes our expensive modules without even bothering with the sentries.
Now i have a question: Didn't CCP want to prohibit solopwnmobiles? Are HACs overpowered? Because even if we both had Tech II with perfect skills, we might have won but barely, most likely one of us would still be blown up. Heck, i know for a fact our corp HAC pilot can afk tank sentries, and solo dominix.
Can anything realisticly beat a HAC on an even playing field, or are they just the ultimate, end all pvp solo ship, bar nothing?
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
Praxiteles Inc.
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:07:00 -
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hello !
and stop posting crap
this story i was to unrealistic ...
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Old Geeza on 30/10/2006 16:10:27
The fact that you were in battleships with only 3m SP and trying to use faction modules to make up for it is probably the cause of your troubles. By the sounds of it, you could've been beaten by a T1 cruiser.
Of course, this could be a flamebait post, in which case end yourself.
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Caldari
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Ramming torpedo
We don't have very much SP; only 3 mil or so each,
I'm afraid this is where your story begins and ends. 3M SP in a BS vs a T2 fitted HAC does not indicate a solopwnmobile. HAC's are generally known as BS killers so I doubt you'll find many who are worried that a HAC could kill two low skill BS pilots.
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:12:00 -
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3M sp noobs...so you're something like 3-5 months old depending on your stats and learning skills.
I agree with the poster above, the story sounds a bit odd. How you could even afford those Dark Amarr blood navy whatevers if you've been just camping gates popping newbies who've been passing by? I know they're not terribly expensive but they're still faction items which I wouldn't fit to any PvP/pirating ship in general because it's just not profitable in the long run.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
Praxiteles Inc.
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Edited by: Old Geeza on 30/10/2006 16:10:27
The fact that you were in battleships with only 3m SP and trying to use faction modules to make up for it is probably the cause of your troubles. By the sounds of it, you could've been beaten by a T1 cruiser.
Of course, this could be a flamebait post, in which case end yourself.
hac taking centrys 2 mins and 2x bs who where in perfect situation + 2 heavy nos sure ...
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Arktaos
Minmatar
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:16:00 -
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Crappy story T_T
no HAC can tank that much while tanking sentry's.
And out of a total 3M SP, you got 1M SP in Surgical Strike alone?
Not very believable story.
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guyutte
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:16:00 -
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Which HAC was it? it would say in the kill mail. It prolly was a Elite Battlecruiser. Also Torps do nothing against a HAC unless they are T2 Javs.
Faction mods also at your skill lvl would be like Named Items. Basically your Skills wouldnt benifit using Faction items.
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Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:22:00 -
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impossible story the hac would be very fast dead.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:23:00 -
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lol. 3m sp noobs with BSs and faction guns.. HAHHAHAHA. eeebay...
Because I said so...
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Ramming torpedo
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:28:00 -
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Yes, i do. I skilled the skills for BS first, took the turret skill to Large 3, than trained surg strike to V. Most of my other skills are still suffering, all my skills are purely focused on my geddon.
Yes, i know a 3 M sp BS isn't anything stellar and in a fair HAC VS BS fight, i should have lost. However, this was 2 BS + Sentries against a single HAC. We had the range on our side, we had NOS on our side. I had T2 hardnders, and armor compensation skills at III. The HAC tore trough me like cheese.
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Fogy
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:29:00 -
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Pasiv tanked nighthawk.. 
N00bs dies to thous all the time..
but the storry is slim.. 3mill sp,
1mill in surgical strike 
faction mods..
eraning isk from gaitcamping..
I mean.. WTF!?
Try again dude.. this just dosnt cutt it!! 
Cheers!
Fogy
"From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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Commander Thrawn
Tarnak inc.
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Arktaos
Crappy story T_T
no HAC can tank that much while tanking sentry's.
And out of a total 3M SP, you got 1M SP in Surgical Strike alone?
Not very believable story.
lol that's what i was thinking too
here's my question. why would someone lie lol???
what can't you possibly gain by posting a lie on these forum with regards to your skills lol
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Fogy
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
The HAC tore trough me like cheese.
Say no more.. 
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guyutte
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:35:00 -
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So now you have T2 Hardners "Mechanic 5" "Hull Upgrades 5"
I wish i have your skills when i was that young WTF!
HAx
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Commander Thrawn
Tarnak inc.
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
Yes, i do. I skilled the skills for BS first, took the turret skill to Large 3, than trained surg strike to V. Most of my other skills are still suffering, all my skills are purely focused on my geddon.
Yes, i know a 3 M sp BS isn't anything stellar and in a fair HAC VS BS fight, i should have lost. However, this was 2 BS + Sentries against a single HAC. We had the range on our side, we had NOS on our side. I had T2 hardnders, and armor compensation skills at III. The HAC tore trough me like cheese.
i really dought this, i fly and zealot and a sac
the sac can tank like mad but 2 Bs and sentties will eventually kill it, plus it had **** dps
as for the zealot it wont tank the sentries forever, at least not long enough to kill 2 BSs solo lol.
so HACs are the uber
and heavy nos = death to a hac unless its a minie or caldary missiles boat
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:36:00 -
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Show us the killmail first please.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:38:00 -
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In EVE, skill points are king. With only 3 million skill points, you don't have the skills necessary to properly support a properly fitted Battleship. You probably lack capcitor skills, Engineering/Electrictronics V, all related gunnery skills to level 3-4 at least, shield skills, armor skills, navigation, etc etc etc etc...
I've got 7.5 million sps and I'm still having problems with my BS. ATM I just use it for level 3's and avoid PvP like the plague until I finish my T2 projectiles journey...
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
Here is my story. Me and my corpmate went camping in our BSes. We don't have very much SP; only 3 mil or so each, but we have all our basic battle skills trained, i can use several T2 modules (Hardners, cap rechargers, etc).
We went gatecamping in hopes of making some isk. We just sit there, popping the ocasional hauler or ship that seemed worth killing. We killed BCs and such, and could most likely take a decently skilled BS.
We killed ships for a while, took 2 BCs, several frigs, a cruiser, etc...
And than one of those extremely elitist 2003 HAC pilots shows up. I decided not to attack. Surprisingly though, the HAC attacks us! Sentries start firing it, we both lock it. I'm blasting it down with my dark blood megapulses with amarr navy multifreq at optimal range (Webbed too!), in my armageddon (Gunnery V, Large energy turret IV, Surgical strike V, motion prediction IV, Rapid firing III, amarr battleship III.)
My friend in a raven locks it as well, starting to jam it and barage it with toropedos, and 2 heavy NOS with it. We have it webbed and i'm firing at perfect range, while sentries blast it too. In the bag it seemed, no?
However, there was one small problem. It wasn't taking any damage. No damage done. Shield never went below 80%. Now it's not a lack of skills - while not stellar, we both had reasonable battle skills.
2 minutes later, both me and the raven are dead, and the HAC takes our expensive modules without even bothering with the sentries.
Now i have a question: Didn't CCP want to prohibit solopwnmobiles? Are HACs overpowered? Because even if we both had Tech II with perfect skills, we might have won but barely, most likely one of us would still be blown up. Heck, i know for a fact our corp HAC pilot can afk tank sentries, and solo dominix.
Can anything realisticly beat a HAC on an even playing field, or are they just the ultimate, end all pvp solo ship, bar nothing?
please try to gank me =D
on a serious note your whole story sounds a bit weird with your surgical strike 5 and DB mega pulses... man if I had your mods I would've torn right through that HAC
also, what friggin HAC was it? shield tanked HAC that tears through you like cheese? I mean cerberus has ok dmg but not ''tear through cheese'' and let's not talk about the eagle
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Tzeriz
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:40:00 -
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And what ship was he in?. eagle?  lol
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Jernau Gurgeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:44:00 -
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Are you 100% positive that the sentries were shooting at this HAC?
Now, I'm no expert on these things, but it seems to me that if you'd been pirating there that you would have been flagged as a criminal.
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Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:52:00 -
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So very many things wrong with this story.
I mean, yeah, I think I can say how this could have happened, if it's true. A passive tanked Nighthawk field command ship would (A) Be able to tank all of that, (B) Be immune to nos, and (C) show up on overview as the same size as a HAC, so dumbasses like the OP who don't even look at the ship might mistake it for a HAC. And yeah, with its new RoF bonus against two dumbasses with only 3mil SP in battleships, it COULD tear through them like cheese.
But really...3 million skillpoints and you're in a battleship? And where the hell did you get Dark Blood Megapulses with Amarr Navy Multifrequency? Either you're sleeping with Chribba or you're using EBay, and I can't say either of those two options are very appealing.
Ugh. I didn't start flying battleships until I had something like 17mil SP (well yeah, I was flying HACs before that, which probably makes less sense, but whatever). Where the hell do people get the idea that you need to jump into a battleship on your first day?
Oh and if it really had been a HAC and not a Command Ship, then yeah, torps would be a bad idea. And multifrequency might be a bad idea against a Nighthawk, seeing as it has a massive natural thermal resist.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:53:00 -
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Yeah this doesn't really add up. if he's shield tanked the most likely hac it would be is an ishtar which can in no way tank 2 bs and sentry guns for any amount of time. hacs are in no way a solopwnmobile and can be killed very easily considering how much they cost. my guess is it was a command ship or which is possible considering ur extremely underskilled for a bs. ur fittings even thought expensive might have been poor which may explain u losing and with ur lack of skills if he was moving fast u may have had trouble hitting with with lasers and torps.
seeing the killmail would reveal lots. just delete the persons name that killed u and the corp he is in and paste it please.
DE
(also u say large turret 4 then later on u say 3, which is it?)
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:58:00 -
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First of all, what HAC?
Second, it was a bug, or you made this story up. NO hac can tank 2 BS in heir optimal, with sentries and 2 heavy nos on him.
On the other hand, if it was a Vaga with a passive tank orbiting you 2, outrunning your m8s missiles and your lasers tracking, yeah. Hell, lets even immagine taht he got out of your web range! Still, you mentioned that your friend in a raven had jammers. Unless it was just a single multispec without any EW skills at all, he should have been jammed most of the fight.
So NO, this sounds like a story you made up.
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Talon Calais
Gallente
Nubs.
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:09:00 -
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I say take out names and post the killmail?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Either you're sleeping with Chribba or you're using EBay, and I can't say either of those two options are very appealing.
LOL Yeah sleeping with me is prolly as fun as mining Veldspar...
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ian666
Minmatar
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:13:00 -
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This is either a joke or the Hac was never taking that much fire you sure it wasn't a Command Ship? as this can do this, but not a HAC. :-) if it did then well maybe you should re think your tactic's :-)
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Pottsey
Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:15:00 -
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ôCan anything realisticly beat a HAC on an even playing field, or are they just the ultimate, end all pvp solo ship, bar nothing?ö
Command ships have both a tougher defence and do more damage along with being a lot cheaper to buy then HACÆs. I fly a field command ship and no HAC can even break its defence 1v1 it can even often stand up to 2 HACS.
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Ramming torpedo
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:25:00 -
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than why do people fly HACs instead of command ships?
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 30/10/2006 17:29:26
Originally by: Ramming torpedo
than why do people fly HACs instead of command ships?
HACs require something like 30-45 days less training and are "cool". Also you need HAC skills to fly a command ship.
edit: Forums ate my reply but thankfully I'm a doctor so I managed to save it
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:54:00 -
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Could of been an ishtar?
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Krakkan
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Krakkan on 30/10/2006 17:57:30
whats wrong with 3mill sp and in a battleship? i was ratting alone in .0 with my tempest when i had 3mill sp but faction stuff? isk is both easy and hard to make, camp a gate and you can make tons, grind lvl 3 missions and you make extremely little, do some smart trading and you can make alot of mills but faction stuff..
i know how fast you can pop with only 3mill sp so i think the answer is there 
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.30 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
.... <lots of whining>....
Your problem wasnt the HAC. The problem was that you and your friend were completely outclassed by the pilot you faced. Ive seen HACs killed by force recons. Ive personally taken down battleships 1 on 1 in my own force recon.
Bottom line is that you and your friend (assuming hes about the same skillpoints as you) had no business trying to PvP in battleships. You can think all you want that your skills are "decent", and you can try relying on faction modules to save your butt (and im not even going to ask how a pair of 3 mil SP characters can afford all those faction mods, because it will just bring up the inevitable "ebay is bad" argument), but fact is youre not ready for BS combat, at least not against a halfway skilled opponent. The fact that youre surprised your torps didnt do much damage to the HAC is evidence enough of that. T1 torps wont do jack against a HAC or command ship. Hell the guy probably could have killed you just as easily in an assault frigate if it wasnt for the sentries.
I honestly wish that CCP had put skillpoint minimums to train certain skills, to prevent people from even training the battleship skills until they had like 5 or 6 million skillpoints. Because the number of noobs who hop in a battleship as fast as possible and then act shocked when they lose it to a more skilled/experienced player is just staggering.
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.30 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
than why do people fly HACs instead of command ships?
Skillpoints. Training time for command ships is far beyond whats needed to get into HACs. You could make the argument that you need almost as many skillpoints to fly a HAC effectively, but most people consider themselves 'ready' for a ship the minute they have the skills to undock in it.
Sort of like the OP and his bud in battleships with 3 mil SP. Just because you can undock in it doesnt mean youre ready to fight in it.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.30 18:15:00 -
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ôHACs require something like 30-45 days less training and are "cool". Also you need HAC skills to fly a command ship.ö
You donÆt need HAC skills to fly Command ships at least not the best ones :). I love my Eos.
Even though it is 30days training more I often wonder why more people dont use command ships. Who wouldnt want a green ship that has style? The paint work alone makes it good.
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Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.10.30 18:57:00 -
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I have driven off a HAC (Ishtar) in a T1 Torp Raven (exp damage) and when the HAC went for me, he had at least 2 Angels BS engaging him at the same time (0.0 so no sentries).
From the sounds of it though, this is either made up, there has been a mistake in identifying the ship in question (I'm wondering Sleipnir / Claymore with Cap boosters), or the post is a joke to rile up all the HAC pilots.
Akkarin
Linkage
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zwerg
Caldari
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.30 19:27:00 -
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uhm yeah, now let old zwerg tell a story when he was young:
A long, long time ago in a very distant galaxy there lived young zwerg, he just joined the game ( 2 days old ) and got that he could buy a titan, he convoed sir molle and he gave him the avatar at once. No wonder it was the young zwerg! Fully fitted with 25.893 doomsday device thingys lil zwerg went to 0.0 to kill some stuff. The first gate he jumped in ( edit: lil zwerg was to lazy to jump the 20jumps to the first 0.0 so he clone jumped ) lil zwerg sees a ibis @ the gate, on the look of it it had like 709.9 425mm Railguns II fitted and a tank of doom. His friend ( a gallente shuttle ) was stupid firing around with his ak47 onboard.
Those guns were hitting a planet which exploded. then the gate! DEAD, you know the gate it was DEAD, just DEADDDDDD. Well then lil zwerg ( 2,34 days old now ) --> ( was now able to upgrade his avatar to the more deadly BLACK AVATAR decloaks and is activating his 25.893 doomsday devices. But they weren't hitting the ibis of doom and the mad gallente ak47 shuttle.
After 0.256 seconds fighttime the Avatar + the whole BoB black fleet and all other alliances fleeds + capital fleet were destroyed.
Now i dont get it. What did i wrong? maybe i should have fitted another half doomsday device or what?
That ak47 shuttle of doom ( edit: GALLENTE SHUTTLE ) was just invicible to my doomsday,
well however, i bought the whole ccp networks the next day and now all ccp workers + tuxford + george w. bush are my slaves.
Otherwise i have to say that queen mum is really good in cleaning shoes! Maybe ill borrough her when im coming back from my trip to the sun ( need holiday )
What i wanted to tell you with that story was:
1st. Dont steal our time in writing ****zle in here that never can happen.
2nd. grow up or use your brain when youre telling lies.
3rd. Alt post FTL ( you know what i mean )
4th. WTB HAC THAT CAN TANK 2BS + SENTRYs + the uber gallente shuttle of doom with inbuild ak47 guns.
/zwerg
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
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Posted - 2006.10.30 21:10:00 -
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Lol good one, tell another RT.
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Posted - 2006.10.30 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Siakel on 30/10/2006 21:14:02
Hm.. now aside from all the other obvious lies or mistaken ships here, he was using Amarr Navy Multifrequency? Anyone else see a problem, here? I've been playing for two and a half years and I've never even seen a faction Multifreq crystal. So aside from the obvious insane cost of said crystals, how did he obtain 7 of them?
Edit: And as for the person saying he shouldn't use Multifreq... what exactly is he supposed to use, then? He can't exactly swap to an equally high-damage EM-only crystal.
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Copine Callmeknau
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:46:00 -
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Was most likely a Sleipnir, that's the only shield tanked ships I know of that could take out 2 BS within a couple of minutes and could also get mistaken for a HAC by a noob.
This of course assuming that your flaky story wasn't a crock of ****.
HAC's are easy to take out, hell you can do it in a BC pretty easily if you're a decent pilot.
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Posted - 2006.10.30 23:31:00 -
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Humm..
Ok one thing I don't get, aside from all the other glaring obvious mistakes...
They're pirating on a gate... surely the sentry guns would have been shooting at them, and not at the HAC?
The whole story seems a lot more plausible if the Hac had the sentries on his side...
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.30 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: FolCan Chadarris
Humm..
Ok one thing I don't get, aside from all the other glaring obvious mistakes...
They're pirating on a gate... surely the sentry guns would have been shooting at them, and not at the HAC?
The whole story seems a lot more plausible if the Hac had the sentries on his side...
Well remember, if the OP and his friend really had only 3 mil SP (which seems doubtful given some of the skill levels he quoted), then there very well could be all sorts of inconsistencies in their story. They easily could have had the sentries on them, and not on their target. The target could easily have been a command ship, and not a HAC, and remember, at least one of the BS's was fitted with torps, and im assuming only t1 torps given the SP level. T1 torps wouldnt do crap to a HAC, so that BS is basically non existant in terms of this fight. And I wouldnt put a whole lot of trust in a 3m SP battleship pilots tracking skills, so whos to say he could even hit a close range orbiting HAC ?
If this story is even legit, my money is on the sentries being on the HACs side, so all we really have is a HAC tanking/evading the damage of 2 completely noob battleships, and using its own DPS plus sentries to kill them. Thats not hard to believe at all.
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.30 23:47:00 -
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The HAC had Cheese Cutter II fitted, duh.
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Grumpy Old Farts
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Posted - 2006.10.30 23:48:00 -
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You have a 0.0 sec status in game and you are 23 days old.
Facts gleamed from that:
1. You do not have 3mil skill points.
2. Since you do not have 3 mil skill points, you are obviously posting under an alt.
Conclusions:
If you are going to post under an alt with a story that is 99.99999999999999999% unbelievable you will need to give the formongers (forums + mongers ) more details for it to be taken seriously.
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Chaimera
Grumpy Old Farts
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Posted - 2006.10.30 23:49:00 -
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ah, forgot ... something else.
If you were popping numerous ships as you stated before, your sec status on your main is probably less than -5.0, which means the sentries were not shooting the other guy in the supposed HAC at all.
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.30 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Chaimera
ah, forgot ... something else.
If you were popping numerous ships as you stated before, your sec status on your main is probably less than -5.0, which means the sentries were not shooting the other guy in the supposed HAC at all.
More over, once you returned fire, the sentries engaged their cheese cutters and you perished to sentry fire. I bet the HAC pilot had a day of his life with the loot he gathered.
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Posted - 2006.10.31 00:33:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:36:56
Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:33:51
Well i have just under 4 million SP, got my raven with about 700k SP, took me playing way too much during summer vacation "college student btw" to build up the isk from missions but it was worth it :-). I've lived in 0.0 for little over 4 months, and I still say 0.0 experience is far more importaint then SP. 3-4 million SP isn't bad for PVP if you have it trained in the right skills and have experience in 0.0. I have a little under half a billion isk. 2 ravens "with faction/best named on my ratter". Just pointing out i don't think SP isn't EVERYTHING
But with that done i still agree with the above people, Either A you are total and complete newbies "good chance of Ebay there considering how little fitting experience you probebly have", or B your story has AT LEAST been bent. I'm guessing a combination of both.
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Posted - 2006.10.31 00:53:00 -
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capital ships cannot kill hacs.
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Posted - 2006.10.31 01:14:00 -
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more stories please!   im converting to roleplayer now
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TetraMorph Nexus Inc.
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.10.31 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
capital ships cannot kill hacs.
Capital ships fielding vast amounts of T2 medium drones can try.
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Hllaxiu
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Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.31 01:36:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Randay
capital ships cannot kill hacs.
Carrier should be able to...
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Posted - 2006.10.31 01:50:00 -
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no its pure unpossibleness. 3M sp capital ships cant never ever kill 2003 elitist hacs.
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.31 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 31/10/2006 01:52:42
Originally by: Chaimera
formongers (forums + mongers )
did you mean ore mongers?
This corp is recruiting.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.31 02:06:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Randay
no its pure unpossibleness. 3M sp capital ships cant never ever kill 2003 elitist hacs.
Yes, because the only "capital" you can get into with 3mil sp is a freighter.
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Shock and Awe
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Posted - 2006.10.31 05:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Either you're sleeping with Chribba or you're using EBay, and I can't say either of those two options are very appealing.
LOL Yeah sleeping with me is prolly as fun as mining Veldspar...
I'll mine Veldspar please...
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Litus Arowar
Amarr
Obsidian Asylum
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.10.31 07:27:00 -
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sleeping with chribba is far more lucrative than mining veldspar though...    
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Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.10.31 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Destiny Calling on 31/10/2006 10:21:15
To the op
I was that HAC pilot
edit: sorry was in never never land that night.
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Caldari
mega mining corporation
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Destiny Calling
Edited by: Destiny Calling on 31/10/2006 10:21:15
To the op
I was that HAC pilot
edit: sorry was in never never land that night.
I've ****ed myself laughing. U don't need movies when u have such Eve stories... hahahaahahahaha
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:48:00 -
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Once i got to the faction multifreqs part i knew it was all BS.
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Posted - 2006.10.31 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
Yes, i do. I skilled the skills for BS first, took the turret skill to Large 3, than trained surg strike to V. Most of my other skills are still suffering, all my skills are purely focused on my geddon.
No support skills make a good paper battleship
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Posted - 2006.10.31 12:37:00 -
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sorry, lost interest after reading about expensive faction stuff with 3m sp
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zwerg
Caldari
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.31 12:45:00 -
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to make the story a bit clearer to all, i thought about how that might have happened....
The two 3mil SP guys in raven and apoc were camping in <0.5, they killed much stuff ( edit: they didn't say that sentries were shooting them or anything else )
so we got 2 possiblities now,
1st. You were only killing under -5 peeps while you camped
2nd. You are lying
They didn't get that their security status is going down.
Okay no problem, i don't expect such a wise thing from a 3mil SP player with Faction Crystals/Guns.
so we got 2 possibilities again,
1st. You are noobs and just wanna test what the forums are good for.
2nd. You bought money from ebay, or won a tech2 bpo ( i dont expect you guys know how to win a t2 bpo when you dont know that your sec status is going down while shooting peeps in 0.4 )
Then the hac pilot. Probably a drunken GM, a command ship
or even a carrier dreadnought.
The only way to kill 2 ( even noob's ) BS's @ a gate is
A: you guys were under -5, then its no prob killing you in anything. BUT YOU SAID HE SHOT FIRST SO YOU GUYS GOT 15MINS KILLRIGHTS.
B: He only shot one of you, that means the other guy in the raven attacked him AND TOOK THE SENTRY FIRE, and the hac guy just pulverrized you.
C: The normal answer to all that: Youre telling crap?!
/zwerg
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Amarr
Conisor Excavations Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.31 14:13:00 -
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It amazes me that noone bothered to check the guys' ingame info. Been playing for 23 days, has 0.0 security standing. So unless he's posting inhere with an alt he's definately telling lies ;)
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zwerg
Caldari
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:25:00 -
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hes just a douchebag
Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:41:00 -
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so what did atack you ? curious ...
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:54:00 -
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i bet I could do it in a cerberus with my alt if they newbies in maybe a heavy missile raven and single MAR tanked dominix with medium drones... aside from that not possible!
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Amarr
Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Synapse Archae on 01/11/2006 22:56:20
Originally by: ThAjApHiO
It amazes me that noone bothered to check the guys' ingame info. Been playing for 23 days, has 0.0 security standing. So unless he's posting inhere with an alt he's definately telling lies ;)
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Gallente
Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:09:00 -
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SO, i'm a trial account user in my noob corp with 1.5mill SP and other day i deceided to go out gate camping in Hedion.
Well i'm there sat in my cerberus and this rifter comes roaring past me so i began to lock him to unleash my Heavy Assault Missiles, i had him scrambled and webbed and was fully tanked with a Capital Shield repper and 4 Invul fields yet this rifter is just orbittign me still tanking all the concord ships that have coem onto the screen and he's there popping concord and amarrian battleships/frigs and cruisers liek they was noob frigs then turned hi ssights onto my precious cerb. he had tanked my missiles fo rat least 5 mins while his sole rifter just obliterated every security ship nearby and then proceeded to just hammer the hel outta my poor Cerbs shields until after a mintue i was sat there in my pod with charred remains of my cerb around me, the rifter pilot then looted everythign i had and wen toff laughing.
true story i tell ya really was.
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ramming torpedo
Yes, i do. I skilled the skills for BS first, took the turret skill to Large 3, than trained surg strike to V.
You mentioned rapid firing at level 3. Rapid firing is more important than surgical strike and it's also faster to train, I strongly suggest you work on that skill.
Another thing, you guys should have some nos in your setups. You have room for 1 nos and the raven has room for 2 of them. Nosferatu is the way to kill smaller ships.
If you're in a cruiser vs an AF, Nos wins.
Battleship vs HAC, Nos wins.
Battleship vs Command ship... well Nos + hoping he has no cap injector is your only hope. Although with 2 BS using Nos and the amount of dmg you guys can inflict, he should be running into issues even with a cap injector. HAC's are weak vs a BS if the BS has web+nos. Command ships are harder to counter because they can fit a heavy cap injector (the battleship module).
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Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:36:56
Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:33:51
Well i have just under 4 million SP, got my raven with about 700k SP, took me playing way too much during summer vacation "college student btw" to build up the isk from missions but it was worth it :-). I've lived in 0.0 for little over 4 months, and I still say 0.0 experience is far more importaint then SP. 3-4 million SP isn't bad for PVP if you have it trained in the right skills and have experience in 0.0. I have a little under half a billion isk. 2 ravens "with faction/best named on my ratter". Just pointing out i don't think SP isn't EVERYTHING
But with that done i still agree with the above people, Either A you are total and complete newbies "good chance of Ebay there considering how little fitting experience you probebly have", or B your story has AT LEAST been bent. I'm guessing a combination of both.
Didnt I kill your raven in my brutix a few weeks ago ?
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Posted - 2006.11.02 06:58:00 -
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Ah. I'm wondering if you ever got your velator set up with that t2 stuff, RT. Maybe next time you should use the velator versus the HAC, I've heard that those usually work.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:17:00 -
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I tried to gank a brutix in my geddon, yes... It scrambled me and tanked me for long enough for sentries to DESTROY me.
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Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:44:00 -
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ôIf you're in a cruiser vs an AF, Nos wins.
Battleship vs HAC, Nos wins.
Battleship vs Command ship... well Nosö
ThatÆs not always true as its possible even without cap injector to be immune to Nos. My Eos has no problem with Nos Battleships and I know Vulture and other HAC/Command ships can also be ok against Nos without using cap injectors.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: xenodia
Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:36:56
Edited by: DubanFP on 31/10/2006 00:33:51
Well i have just under 4 million SP, got my raven with about 700k SP, took me playing way too much during summer vacation "college student btw" to build up the isk from missions but it was worth it :-). I've lived in 0.0 for little over 4 months, and I still say 0.0 experience is far more importaint then SP. 3-4 million SP isn't bad for PVP if you have it trained in the right skills and have experience in 0.0. I have a little under half a billion isk. 2 ravens "with faction/best named on my ratter". Just pointing out i don't think SP isn't EVERYTHING
But with that done i still agree with the above people, Either A you are total and complete newbies "good chance of Ebay there considering how little fitting experience you probebly have", or B your story has AT LEAST been bent. I'm guessing a combination of both.
Didnt I kill your raven in my brutix a few weeks ago ?
I've only lost a few ravens over the last few weaks, but basically there are 3 possibilities
A. it was during that little incursion into Placid When i got ganked by a Vagabond a Zealot and some T2 frig i didn't catch. "no Brutix"
B. Fleet or small group combat, In which primary is always screwed so it would mean little
C. You're mistaken, my vote goes to this one.
Cause other then that i usually prefer Stabbers over Ravens for PVP.
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Gallente
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:18:00 -
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Author of this post is either lying blatantly or retarded.
HACs are far from pawnmobiles and any pilot taking on a BS at a gate has to have prior knowledge as to what he`s getting himself into.
I`ve been attacked by single and multiple hacs on numerous occasions and my raven has come through.
On one occasion i got attacked by 3 HACs- killed a muninn and took a deimos to structure. Would have killed them all if they didn`t get rescued by a scorpion. And they we`re seasoned players.
I you lost two bs at a gate to a HAC- it`s time go back to tetris or ludo- you obviously got no business here..
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôIf you're in a cruiser vs an AF, Nos wins.
Battleship vs HAC, Nos wins.
Battleship vs Command ship... well Nosö
ThatÆs not always true as its possible even without cap injector to be immune to Nos. My Eos has no problem with Nos Battleships and I know Vulture and other HAC/Command ships can also be ok against Nos without using cap injectors.
i agree the cap on most HACs is strong enought to keep it running under the effect of 1 heavy NOS and the obvious mistake that young pilots make is to active all nos at the same time. when u were reducing ur enemy to nothing with 1 NOS the second is doing nothing to it. To NOS so that it cant shoot a decent HAC you to need at least 3 Heavy nos with a few seconds gap between each one
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Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.11.05 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: ThAjApHiO
It amazes me that noone bothered to check the guys' ingame info. Been playing for 23 days, has 0.0 security standing. So unless he's posting inhere with an alt he's definately telling lies ;)
Lots of people pointed this out, it amazes me your amazed tbh.
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Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.05 06:53:00 -
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Humm, lets see.
The battle:
You V's Him
Cost:
2bs (200M) + low faction gear (300M) V's HAC (~250M) + probe good faction gear (~500M)
Skill points:
3M each (6M) V's 3 years of play (~30M)
Experience:
3 month 'veterans' V's Some random who's likely seen every war in Eve... ever.
I think see whats happening here.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:54:00 -
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I dont see they prob why a HAC couldnt WTFBBQPWN some random noobs.
This scenario (allthough it is a fake jsut cause the SP and lvl5s dont amtch but meh ^^) is utterly possible.
A vagabond which is in web range (<10km) can even if double-webbed fly fast enough for neither lasers to hit nor torps to do damage.
And you dont even need t2 autocannons to rip trough a 3m sp battleship...
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The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:03:00 -
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Cruisers, Battlecruisers, Command Ships, Battleships etc can all kill HAC's very comfortably
HAC's are not that uber, tbh... they are nice toys but I would take on any HAC with a BC, and be very confident of victory.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:23:00 -
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Comments on OPs post...
The part that doesn't ring true is the reference to being attacked by "a HAC"...I would have thought they would have said "a Cerberus" or "a Muninn"...
Raven using Torps...not best weapon against a HAC...cruise would be better
3 million skill points and "can use a fair few Tech II modules"...implies not enough in gunnery or missile skills.
The fact that two slow-ass BS's managed to web the HAC. In this case, that's one VERY dumb HAC pilot and it WOULD have died (I fly a Cerb, abd rule no.1 is "Keep Moving")
And to answer the original question...pretty much anything as long as you bring ENOUGH of them.
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Gallente
Divinity Trials
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Posted - 2006.11.05 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ghengis Thar
Originally by: Pottsey
ôIf you're in a cruiser vs an AF, Nos wins.
Battleship vs HAC, Nos wins.
Battleship vs Command ship... well Nosö
ThatÆs not always true as its possible even without cap injector to be immune to Nos. My Eos has no problem with Nos Battleships and I know Vulture and other HAC/Command ships can also be ok against Nos without using cap injectors.
i agree the cap on most HACs is strong enought to keep it running under the effect of 1 heavy NOS and the obvious mistake that young pilots make is to active all nos at the same time. when u were reducing ur enemy to nothing with 1 NOS the second is doing nothing to it. To NOS so that it cant shoot a decent HAC you to need at least 3 Heavy nos with a few seconds gap between each one
Not totally true, first off 1 heavy nos would crush a non-injected HAC's cap. 2 would take it away in under a minute and 3...you get the idea.
Doing what you just described is called 'cycling' and you dont have to cylce your nos on a target. The only reason people do cycle nos is as a sa***aurd against the enemies nos, where if you gain 32 cap with one med nos, he only sucks 32 cap away as compared to if you had two nos on you would gain 64 cap and if they had a heavy it would take it all in one swipe.
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Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.06 07:21:00 -
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I was talking more from a Command ship point of view as I donÆt fly HACÆs. Can you not build HACÆs based around no or little cap like Command ships? I guess it would make the defence weaker but surly its still enough to give a BS a run for its money.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area
The fact that two slow-ass BS's managed to web the HAC. In this case, that's one VERY dumb HAC pilot and it WOULD have died (I fly a Cerb, abd rule no.1 is "Keep Moving")
Max speed effects the maximum acceleration you can get out of your ship. So if you web it too hard it won't slow down fast enough...
Last few times I've dual webbed a Vaga going 3k/s it's momentum has nicely carried it from the edge of webbing range nicely all the way out of it, while blasting away with ACs. Of course one should try to ram the vaga, but 3km/s compared to 150m/s of a BS just isn't the thing for intercepting/ramming...
And, with the resists of a T2 ship and the speed of a, say vaga, the reduction in damage you get is enough to nicely shield tank two low sp characters with t1 gear...
Plausible, but... unpropable.
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Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.06 11:37:00 -
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To the OP
Thx..i needed a good laugh!
Id say its entirely a possible scenario. But this story...tell me another one!
Ay hac running a faction tank can cope with lots of dmg.Playing along,Id guess it was maybe a Cerb.
Amarr hacs certainly dont like running with nos against them Pottsey,i doubt the commands do either tbh.
If this is true, im not shocked. I mean an exspensive Zealot costs me around a bil. I quite happily engage in front of sentries. I also have pretty much maxed skills for it. Along with implants based around amarr in general.
I have way more in gunnery, than both of those 'chars' put together.
Pics or stfu 
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Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:26:00 -
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Well, a Vulture with a proper implants, full passive tank and maxed skills (and I mean full passive, cap at 100% all the time if not warping) could be able to tank well in excess of 1000 DPS in the right damage types (kin/therm) and still significantly over 400 DPS on default-weakest-against (EM) damage... assuming you DO hit him for that much DPS in the first place.
Active hardner kin/therm passive tank, now then you go over 1600 DPS tanked there.
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Posted - 2006.11.07 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
Max speed effects the maximum acceleration you can get out of your ship. So if you web it too hard it won't slow down fast enough...
Last few times I've dual webbed a Vaga going 3k/s it's momentum has nicely carried it from the edge of webbing range nicely all the way out of it, while blasting away with ACs. Of course one should try to ram the vaga, but 3km/s compared to 150m/s of a BS just isn't the thing for intercepting/ramming...
He said "they had it webbed"...NOT they TRIED to web it but it got away.
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Caldari
g guild
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Posted - 2006.11.07 21:45:00 -
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That is a great storyà
Now I can relate to that story cause IÆm a 3mil SP noob who also flies a Raven.
The only difference to the op is, that I only fly it in PVE where it is useful. I stick to my Caracal or Ferox if I want to PVPà And I donÆt PVP cause IÆm a 3 Mil SP noob. I mean just cause I have Missile Op to Level 5 dose not mean I can now go out and own my self a Geddon or Apoc.
Hey Torp. and all other noobs like me, use your head! Stick to level 3Æs and 4Æs. If you want to go out and PVP, go out with your 10Mil+ corp mates, and try to be helpful to them, donÆt team up with other low SP mates and think that because you have a Gunnery or Missile Skill to Level 5 that means you can now beat a person who has more SPs in Navigation then you do in Total.
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