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Hellen Kurvora
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:00:00 -
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People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up. |
T' Elk
SniggWaffe
185
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:04:00 -
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Last time I checked, lowsec has the same ore as highsec. Do you mean nullsec, where the rare ores are?
God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |
Hellen Kurvora
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:07:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:Last time I checked, lowsec has the same ore as highsec. Do you mean nullsec, where the rare ores are?
Yes, but low sec also has a higher quantity of the more expensive ore types. You can also find some semi rare ore types in .1 and .2. Not to mention higher quality exploration belts that need to be scanned down. |
Arjola Elongur
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:09:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.
Poor pirates, forced to live off gate camping because the carebear miners refuse to line up in low sec belts.
You have my sympathy! |
Hellen Kurvora
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:11:00 -
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Arjola Elongur wrote:Hellen Kurvora wrote:People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up. Poor pirates, forced to live off gate camping because the carebear miners refuse to line up in low sec belts. You have my sympathy!
Well, we are making more isk out here at the gate then the guys complaining in high sec and getting suicide ganked. No probs here. Just would be more fun with some more variety and people with some balls to fight. |
bornaa
GRiD.
78
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:12:00 -
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somewhere around GD is thread why carebears WILL NOT EVER, WHAT EVER YOU DO, leave hi-sec.
I caps that words because something like that was in caps in that thread.
It have some good points. |
Ioci
Space Mermaids
1
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:15:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.
Every miner in EVE mined in low sec. Once. Then they went back to high sec, mined in an Osprey, bought another Ret and never went back to low sec with it. Some ninja mining in a noob ship to get the 2 hrs worth of Jaspet while you and your grifer buddies aren't online but they do that for thier own production, not ISK.
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Hellen Kurvora
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:23:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Hellen Kurvora wrote:People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up. Every miner in EVE mined in low sec. Once. Then they went back to high sec, mined in an Osprey, bought another Ret and never went back to low sec with it. Some ninja mining in a noob ship to get the 2 hrs worth of Jaspet while you and your grifer buddies aren't online but they do that for thier own production, not ISK.
Well there is potential for making some decent isk faster than you can in high sec, in low sec. Like I said, higher quantity of the more rare ore types. It is just not a play style you can "afk mine" obviously, but what fun is that?
People just don't like the risk involved and don't feel like be prepared for it. People complain that mining is boring. That is because mining in high sec has no risk! Of course it's boring! And less profitable in the long run. Just need to learn how to survive in a pvp environment. Mine aligned, keep watch on local, and use the directional scanner. It is a more thrilling and profitable mining experience.
P.S. Piracy is not griefing in Eve. This is a harsh PVP game and CCP does not try to hide that from new comers because that is how it is designed. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
48
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:40:00 -
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YES! I was just thinking, "Oh god, we need another thread about suicide ganking soon! We are soon to drop below quotient on dead, beaten horses!" And then came you OP, and then came you.
People say things like: "Oh, you make so much money. What do you need any more for?"
Well, actually, *****, I never asked for your opinion. I'll let you know when I have enough money.
-Gene Simmons |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
226
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:50:00 -
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Another troll thread  |
Ioci
Space Mermaids
1
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:51:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:Ioci wrote:Hellen Kurvora wrote:People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up. Every miner in EVE mined in low sec. Once. Then they went back to high sec, mined in an Osprey, bought another Ret and never went back to low sec with it. Some ninja mining in a noob ship to get the 2 hrs worth of Jaspet while you and your grifer buddies aren't online but they do that for thier own production, not ISK. Well there is potential for making some decent isk faster than you can in high sec, in low sec. Like I said, higher quantity of the more rare ore types. It is just not a play style you can "afk mine" obviously, but what fun is that? People just don't like the risk involved and don't feel like be prepared for it. People complain that mining is boring. That is because mining in high sec has no risk! Of course it's boring! And less profitable in the long run. Just need to learn how to survive in a pvp environment. Mine aligned, keep watch on local, and use the directional scanner. It is a more thrilling and profitable mining experience. P.S. Piracy is not griefing in Eve. This is a harsh PVP game and CCP does not try to hide that from new comers because that is how it is designed.
I agree, piracy is not griefing and it's a fair playstyle even if its one I don't find entertaining.
Here is the thing with mining outside high sec. I've done both null and high sec minging and I can tell you that if people start mining in low sec, you won't see in increase in opportunity for the pirates. If high sec miners do start running Ops in low sec it will mean you the pirate will be docked up because thier PvP squads will melt you like butter if you don't and the Op will clean the belts in around 2 hrs and the whole fleet will move back to high sec to proc and distribute the minerals. They will use Black Ops to ferry the ore, they won't hit high traffic pipe systems and they won't be fat and easy pickings.
If it became trendy, you might get the odd "dumb nub" solo miner but if done right, the trouble it would inflict on low sec pirates would outweigh the random dumb nub solo kill. Considering how many low sec systems there are that have no traffic, finding these Ops would be more work than most pirates are willing to forward. Its risk/ reward but it's cost/ benefit too and cost benefit works for and against everyone in EVE, no matter what your career choice is. |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:57:00 -
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Okay, okay! You have convinced me! I'll go mine in low-sec. Very generous of you to let us all in on the secret. I'd have been tempted to keep all of that sweet, sweet low-sec mining ISK for myself... Of course, I'm ashamed to say, that I can be a bit selfish at times. We can't all be as kindhearted and altruistic as you.
But first, how about YOU go mine in low sec for a couple of weeks and tell us how that worked out for you? You know, just to make sure... |
Lord Okinaba
5
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:59:00 -
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Make enough ISK in Empire. No need to leave. |
Hellen Kurvora
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:07:00 -
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Hainnz wrote:Okay, okay! You have convinced me! I'll go mine in low-sec. Very generous of you to let us all in on the secret. I'd have been tempted to keep all of that sweet, sweet low-sec mining ISK for myself... Of course, I'm ashamed to say, that I can be a bit selfish at times. We can't all be as kindhearted and altruistic as you.
But first, how about YOU go mine in low sec for a couple of weeks and tell us how that worked out for you? You know, just to make sure...
Are you arguing that the isk is not better or that you are afraid of getting ganked? I am confused. |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags
Care Factor
28
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:13:00 -
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You know what whinning is REALLY old? Null sec pilots generating apge after page complaining that high sec doesn't play EVE the way they feel it should be played. That's gotten really old. Waaaah! You should stop mining! Waaah! You should move to null sec! Waaaah! You should admire my amazing ship skills! LOVE ME!
Whatever. |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:15:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.
People in high sec aren't care bears. People in High Sec swap cans and blow up miners all the time by stealing their cargo. They pvp each other all the time.
When will you low sec people realize why people stay in Empire?
Titania Hrothgar |
Le Sabre
The Dead Canary Mining Corporation
Legion of Honor
3
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:15:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Well, we are making more isk out here at the gate then the guys complaining in high sec and getting suicide ganked. No probs here. Just would be more fun with some more variety and people with some balls to fight.
If you want people with 'balls to fight' to come to low sec, then I don't think shouting at highsec miners will achieve anything. You need to shout at the highsec war dec guys who actually do enjoy fighting and get them to come to you.
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Hellen Kurvora
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:18:00 -
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Le Sabre wrote:Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Well, we are making more isk out here at the gate then the guys complaining in high sec and getting suicide ganked. No probs here. Just would be more fun with some more variety and people with some balls to fight.
If you want people with 'balls to fight' to come to low sec, then I don't think shouting at highsec miners will achieve anything. You need to shout at the highsec war dec guys who actually do enjoy fighting and get them to come to you.
My more variety comment was more aimed at the miners. Meaning pvp in other places than gates. Which would also bring in pvpers to protect miners in roid belts, which would give me challenging fights. |
Hellen Kurvora
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:19:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:Hellen Kurvora wrote:People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up. People in high sec aren't care bears. People in High Sec swap cans and blow up miners all the time by stealing their cargo. They pvp each other all the time. When will you low sec people realize why people stay in Empire?
I am aware of why. Fear of being blown up. |
Russell Casey
One Ton
Reverberation Project
115
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:22:00 -
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People assume suicide ganking happens because nullsec has declared war on highsec to try to force them to do what they want. Mittens and the Little Rascals pop some mackinaws and suddenly nullsec becomes the enemy, like a new Red Scare.
It never occurs to them that anyone would suicide gank because there is literally billions of isk that can be made by doing it. They never look around at all the fat walleted semi-AFK-bears who think they're 100% safe and think, "if I was a pirate, where would I rather be? Nullsec with regional intel-fed blobs and camps; wh space with a logistics pita and snail's pace at getting around, lowsec which is basically the ugly sister of nullsec, or highsec with these guys? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:29:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:People just don't like the risk involved and don't feel like be prepared for it. People complain that mining is boring. That is because mining in high sec has no risk! Of course it's boring!
Same could be said about ganking mining vessels. Is there any challenge to it...no as the ships just die and you cannot lose. Popping rettys is like a game of whack-a-mole, a kid's game with very little challenge and amazingly your eyes light up when the KM comes in just as much as a child getting excited over the the pretty lights (at least it will take a bit more to down a hulk now with no insurance payout for a Brutix/Tornado/Small Gank of destroyers, Rettys just die to a single thrash and a very small loss). Risk is when 2 guys go into a ring, equally skilled and one comes out the victor..riskless is one pulling a gun before the fight even begins and then claims to be the victor after pulling the trigger. If you can't loose, its a guaranteed win and therefore not a risk to you the ganker but EVE is a grey area where everything has to have risk but the guy spouting "harsh universe" where he is safe for knowing all the odds. |
Le Sabre
The Dead Canary Mining Corporation
Legion of Honor
3
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:40:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:Hellen Kurvora wrote:People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up. People in high sec aren't care bears. People in High Sec swap cans and blow up miners all the time by stealing their cargo. They pvp each other all the time. When will you low sec people realize why people stay in Empire? I am aware of why. Fear of being blown up.
Might be the case for some, but for others highsec is the place to be for 'easy to find accesable pvp'. Lowsec has been in need of a decent chunck of development time for a long while, nothing seems to entice players to go there, so I fully understand the frustration that living in the dullest part of Eve must bring.
I used to live in Aridia, nothing ever happened, the place felt empty, worthless and a million l/y from anything worth investigating or doing and I soon lost interest in being there so ended up back in highsec. If only there was something unique to do there, something that could be fought over and claimed, but I supose it would be too much like null then.
Maybe one day :) |
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Loud On The Forums Silent In Game
28
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:50:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote: Just would be more fun with some more variety and people with some balls to fight.
Post with your main then.  |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
13
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:54:00 -
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I tried to mine in nullsec. My alliance got sov worked out, I got a couple of barges and some fittings shipped out from the nearest highsec system, then tried to head out myself to get a JC installed somewhere.
There wasn't a station within 5 jumps of the systems we'd got, so I would have been stuck there.
My fittings got lost in the system.
I couldn't even get at my ships because of antiquated PoS rules.
I tried multiple times to get out TO null myself, but got caught up in gatecamps and blown up. A pvp cruiser, a shuttle, a noobship, and one pod later, I was back in highsec buying a new med clone.
I eventually got a clone installed in a rorqual. Then a bigger alliance rolled through and kicked us out before I could negotiate the system to get at my fittings.
Why don't highsec miners move to null or lowsec?
PIRATES. That's why. Too risky. Risk versus reward, you say?
Highsec has low reward, but low risk.
Lowsec has a slightly higher reward, but infinite risk; your ship will not survive, and you'll get podded.
Nullsec is only profitable if you're joining a large alliance with secured space that isn't ridden with AFK cloakers and lone pirates keeping you logged out until the PVPers log in to kick them out. |
Borun Tal
One More Corp
13
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:58:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:
People just don't like the risk involved and don't feel like be prepared for it. People complain that mining is boring. That is because mining in high sec has no risk! Of course it's boring! And less profitable in the long run. Just need to learn how to survive in a pvp environment. Mine aligned, keep watch on local, and use the directional scanner. It is a more thrilling and profitable mining experience.
Lots of anger there... What do you care how people choose to play the game? What business is it of yours? Something rather unbalanced about so much anger and being pissed at other people playing a f***ing game... Fascinating... |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags
Care Factor
28
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Posted - 2011.12.04 18:07:00 -
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OP, as is the CSM and a lot of null sec pilots are confused. If high sec pilots were so afraid of being blown up they would never go to places like Jita. Pull up Dotlan some time and look at the most violent systems lists. Looks like high sec is, and traditionally always is, more dangerous than null. It's many times more dangerous and not from your supposed ganking. In fact, I was amazed to hear it was still being called some sort of activity. You don't seem to realize that stuff has always gone on. Congratulations! you've been doing nothing.
Personally, I just packed up all my stuff and moved back into high sec since game-play is better there. There's more options available. |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags
Care Factor
28
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Posted - 2011.12.04 18:12:00 -
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A parting thought: If you went to high sec to gank miners that means you also went to high sec for better game-play experience. Welcome to high sec. Tama is totally safe too if you want to gank there. I know that's low sec but from what you say your amazing pilot skills and super ship fits means you'll be fine.  |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
1340
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Posted - 2011.12.04 18:23:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote: Looks like high sec is, and traditionally always is, more dangerous than null. It's many times more dangerous and not from your supposed ganking...
Look how wrong you are: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40902&find=unread
Over 50% of all PvP losses occurred in nullsec.
Correcting for the population difference, nullsec is approximately 7 times more dangerous than high sec.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.12.04 18:43:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:Hellen Kurvora wrote:People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.
Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.
You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.
To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up. People in high sec aren't care bears. People in High Sec swap cans and blow up miners all the time by stealing their cargo. They pvp each other all the time. When will you low sec people realize why people stay in Empire? I am aware of why. Fear of being blown up.
Let me try and explain this again... maybe you'll finally get it...
People in high sec blow eachother up all the time. PVP in high sec is just like PVP in low... ships go boom. People ALWAYS fight in high sec. Ships go boom. It's you who are afraid of losing something by staying in low sec and fighting defenseless miners. Come to Rens and warp to a station. You'll get your fight. I'm betting you won't show.
You suicide gank in frigates and destroyers and call high sec pvp'ers cowards while HIGH SEC people fight in battlecruisers.
Titania Hrothgar |
Borun Tal
One More Corp
13
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Posted - 2011.12.04 18:49:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:People in high sec blow eachother up all the time. PVP in high sec is just like PVP in low... ships go boom. People ALWAYS fight in high sec. Ships go boom. It's you who are afraid of losing something by staying in low sec and fighting defenseless miners. Come to Rens and warp to a station. You'll get your fight. I'm betting you won't show.
You suicide gank in frigates and destroyers and call high sec pvp'ers cowards while HIGH SEC people fight in battlecruisers.
Don't **** off the OP.. he clearly has anger issues. Just agree and move along. |
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