Don't **** off the OP.. he clearly has anger issues. Just agree and move along.

Look how wrong you are: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40902&find=unread

Over 50% of all PvP losses occurred in nullsec.

Correcting for the population difference, nullsec is approximately 7 times more dangerous than high sec.

People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.

People are suicide ganking, because it's starting to get really old that the carebears in this game just chill in empire space and never leave. All the while complaining that income from mining is garbage.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.

You want to chill in empire space for your entire Eve life? Fine, you are entitled to do that. Just don't complain that you are not making any isk. The carebears are getting old.

To the suicide gankers: nice work, keep it up.

So today I got ganked at a 1.0 sec stargate while simply trying to move a few items to a trade hub to sell... looked like a guy with dual clients and two alts camping the gate. Lost 30m+ from a neat implant I found from a pirate npc just by luck.

Now I've only played the game a few months, and really only have a few hours a week I can play. Manage some PI's, do a little mining while I watch TV or maybe fly around and scan for sites. In a little 2-man corp with my friend. Never really visited the forums. Haven't done any PVP nor do I have interest. Worst I got was people stealing my mining cans or blowing them up.

So I stopped by to see if I could get some advice or find some info on why that happened to me and how to prevent it, and I stumbled on this thread after first reading the 'killing hisec miners' thread. To my surprise I now see that there is a hardcore group of full time griefers dedicated to making my life miserable. Is it really that profitable to you? Is it fun, or are you just bored? Or maybe you can't understand that people play this game in a way other than your hardcore style? I just don't get it.

Hope my post sheds some light on the other side of this, and the often unheard from players like me who don't spend as much time in the game or on the forum as you. I'm sure there are many cases like mine where instead of posting they simply canceled their accounts as I nearly did because of the bad experience I had.

Cheers.

So today I got ganked at a 1.0 sec stargate while simply trying to move a few items to a trade hub to sell... looked like a guy with dual clients and two alts camping the gate. Lost 30m+ from a neat implant I found from a pirate npc just by luck.

Now I've only played the game a few months, and really only have a few hours a week I can play. Manage some PI's, do a little mining while I watch TV or maybe fly around and scan for sites. In a little 2-man corp with my friend. Never really visited the forums. Haven't done any PVP nor do I have interest. Worst I got was people stealing my mining cans or blowing them up.

So I stopped by to see if I could get some advice or find some info on why that happened to me and how to prevent it, and I stumbled on this thread after first reading the 'killing hisec miners' thread. To my surprise I now see that there is a hardcore group of full time griefers dedicated to making my life miserable. Is it really that profitable to you? Is it fun, or are you just bored? Or maybe you can't understand that people play this game in a way other than your hardcore style? I just don't get it.

Hope my post sheds some light on the other side of this, and the often unheard from players like me who don't spend as much time in the game or on the forum as you. I'm sure there are many cases like mine where instead of posting they simply canceled their accounts as I nearly did because of the bad experience I had.

Cheers.

OP, as is the CSM and a lot of null sec pilots are confused. If high sec pilots were so afraid of being blown up they would never go to places like Jita. Pull up Dotlan some time and look at the most violent systems lists. Looks like high sec is, and traditionally always is, more dangerous than null. It's many times more dangerous and not from your supposed ganking. In fact, I was amazed to hear it was still being called some sort of activity. You don't seem to realize that stuff has always gone on. Congratulations! you've been doing nothing.

So today I got ganked at a 1.0 sec stargate while simply trying to move a few items to a trade hub to sell... looked like a guy with dual clients and two alts camping the gate. Lost 30m+ from a neat implant I found from a pirate npc just by luck.

Assuming a "for profit" ganker - the number for small ships like T1 industrials, frigates, destroyers, mining cruisers, etc is about 3-4M ISK per 1000 EHP. So for a T1 industrial with only a 6k EHP buffer tank, which can be easily alpha'd by a lot of things, you really don't want to carry more then about 18-24M ISK worth of stuff. For something with only 2k EHP (frigate), carrying more then about 10-15M ISK is going to get you ganked by anyone in an alpha destroyer if they can scan you and lock you in time.

Get an T1 industrial with an 18k EHP tank and you can be a bit looser with your restrictions, carrying up to 60M before you start to run into serious trouble. Or use a blockade runner or do the MWD / Improved Cloaking Device trick to haul stuff up to 100-300M ISK (which is still not foolproof).

For the big ships like Orcas / Freighters, the number is more along the lines of 5M ISK per 1000 EHP. That puts the freighter's safe cargo level at around 1B ISK of stuff. Those ganks tend to be much more organized affairs with at least 8-10 BC/BS at the gate.

And to add to the fun - not all gankers are in it for profit.

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Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk.

In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping.

My more variety comment was more aimed at the miners. Meaning pvp in other places than gates. Which would also bring in pvpers to protect miners in roid belts, which would give me challenging fights.

Fear of being blown up.

Make enough ISK in Empire. No need to leave.

Make enough ISK in Empire. No need to leave.

Park a badger on the perimiter gate in jita and count the amount of time it takes for someone to kill you. Now do the same in a busy 0.0 system.

YES! I was just thinking, "Oh god, we need another thread about suicide ganking soon! We are soon to drop below quotient on dead, beaten horses!" And then came you OP, and then came you.

Just would be more fun with some more variety and people with some balls to fight.

Have you considered growing your own set of balls and fighting other PVPers instead of ships that stand no chance against you, you know, instead of asking miners to come fight your PVP-set ship?

Just wondering if you've covered all your angles. That's all.

Guess what? Try leaving empire space and going out where the money is, like the rest of us have to do to make decent isk. In all my years playing eve I don't think I have ever seen a miner in low sec. This ruins the game for non-carebears and makes the pirate profession limited to gate camping. That is not how the game was designed. It is risk equals reward.