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Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.12 15:59:23 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Jita local channel is 100% lies. Just shut it down already and be done with it. If you have it closed you can't know this is true.
Besides it being impossible to be true.
S.O.L. GANKING4GOOD
Abolish Rookiecorps.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
135
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Posted - 2015.05.22 04:28:19 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Jita local channel is 100% lies. Just shut it down already and be done with it. Remove local? |

flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2920
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Posted - 2015.05.22 08:39:38 -
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Quazal Atreides wrote: and nope before the trolls i have not been scammed etc, and am merely wondering what the line is between the scam and eula "falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player"
It's not impersonation that is clear , however at what point are you a representative that is the thin line i have a hard time cracking down regarding this type of 'scam'.They are using your name to be 'a representative' of the legitamacy of their business in a way.
This is one of those things where one petition will get a 'you're right tag' and the other will get a 'hell no tag'.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3102
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Posted - 2015.05.22 08:46:59 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Jita local channel is 100% lies. Just shut it down already and be done with it. Remove local? You necro'd a ten days old thread.
Do you ever log in, so I can harass and grief you ingame ?
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
<===== I wished my bra was green as well - 1024x1024
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2920
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Posted - 2015.05.22 08:52:38 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Jita local channel is 100% lies. Just shut it down already and be done with it. Remove local? You necro'd a ten days old thread. Do you ever log in, so I can harass and grief you ingame ?
Logging in is SO 2008 ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
192
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Posted - 2015.05.22 09:10:19 -
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The rules from CCP is in my opinion somewhat poorly written since its indirectly open for subjective interpretation....
1. Exploits
"a. Creates a character using a name that is misleading and causes others to believe he is a fair target, such as a non-player pirate or other NPC entity"
That rule dont exclude or include misleading others to belive youre a another player, ergo the benefit of the doubt should favor the users..... and its should be directly illegal to impersonate other players.
6. Scamming
"a. Illegally obtains items from another through use of an exploit or cheat method."
To mislead others to aquire an item that gives you profitt thru "cheat" Methods, to cheat is to lie, mislead, hold back info... Ergo you exploit others lack of abilities to understand With use of cheat Methods. In subjective interpetation; its in violation of the rules.
7. misc:
"g. Engages in griefplay tactics which may include, but are not limited to, market/courier exploits."
This rule is counterdicting the other rules in view of subjective interpetation.
The rules state that its against EVE rules to "scam" other players, but it allows players to scam other players...
Also CCP dont state in the rules that its "absolute", ergo its open for interpetation... which gives the benefit of doubt to the offended player.
On the otherhand, it can also be interpetated by scammers, due to the loopholes within the rules, to favor them... all due to the lack of being absolute.
Quazal Atreides wrote:This is a question regarding the cross-over from scamming to breaking the rule on impersonation.
Ok,
Now impersonation is making yourself out to be someone else, however the old scam "give me x, and ill return x * 3" has been going ... well since the start :)
But this got me to thinking that over the last 12 months the increase of the bots that say something like "Quazal Atreides sent 100m return 500m" etc...
Curious how this is not using my name to fool others, Should this not fall under the impersonation or false representation of another player.
I have no problems (and in my early days may have even) scammed a small bit, but when the bots are filing local with tripe like that it got me wondering about how impersonation / false representation lines up
Now there are lies, lies and damn lies, but when someone is using my name to help them scam a player from cash that must surely be close if not cross the line?
and nope before the trolls i have not been scammed etc, and am merely wondering what the line is between the scam and eula "falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player"
is taken from eula are these scammers not saying that i am part of their scheme? For instance should a scammer use the veldmasters "chribba" name for example a new player might see it and think , oh chribba has done it so it must be cosha?
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3102
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Posted - 2015.05.22 09:33:56 -
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Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ...
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
<===== I wished my bra was green as well - 1024x1024
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2923
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Posted - 2015.05.22 10:39:55 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ...
I'd rather have that pasta bolognese if you have some left ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3105
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:26:50 -
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flakeys wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ... I'd rather have that pasta bolognese if you have some left ... Sure ! Go make a thread about it and ask nicely.
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
Click! Read! Win!!!
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2925
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:56:06 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:flakeys wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ... I'd rather have that pasta bolognese if you have some left ... Sure ! Go make a thread about it and ask nicely.
That's what she said ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3965
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:15:49 -
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Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?
Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?
Some weird RL legal issue, maybe?
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3106
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:26:11 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?
Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?
Some weird RL legal issue, maybe? When the ToS change came up back in 2013 I sidestepped my own no-alts- rule and made a char called Solstice Project's Alt to mock this stupidity.
Nothing happened.
The reason why it's not allowed to impersonate others simply is because of the gigantic mess one can create with that.
The activity of "Making others look bad" ... ... can reach dimensions most people can't even comprehend.
All my chars are clearly and easily identifyable as me. Am I now impersonating myself?
Hi, I'm Sol !
My way of getting around the mess of anonymous alts, which I hate to the bone.
You know what would be the best thing ever?
More Projects. More Sols. I wouldn't petition a single one of them ! (as long as they stay within the rules, ignoring that one)
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
Click! Read! Win!!!
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
143
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:26:46 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?
Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?
Some weird RL legal issue, maybe? Its cuz of goons. Lol Seriously. Maybe someone has the link but im sure you can find it on google. Several years ago a Goon was scamming super sales. He went on the eveonline wiki and added his alts name to a list of like verified trusted 3rd party trade characters. He added his name to be a Chribba alt on the page too i think. All this on a website with the eveonline logo on it which created the problem cuz anyone looking at the page could mistake ccp as the ones that either updated the info or verified it. This is why we cant edit the wiki anymore and the crackdown on impersonation. He scammed billions and billions making people think/appear to be a verifed and trusted 3rd party trade alt of chribbas.
He and some alts got permabanned and players refunded. Ccp lost **** cuz the website was ccp owned even tho it was a wiki freely able to be edited |

Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3106
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:27:25 -
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flakeys wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:flakeys wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ... I'd rather have that pasta bolognese if you have some left ... Sure ! Go make a thread about it and ask nicely. That's what she said .... Do it ! I dare you !
Or click the link in my sig and read !
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
Click! Read! Win!!!
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
143
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:27:50 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?
Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?
Some weird RL legal issue, maybe? When the ToS change came up back in 2013 I sidestepped my own no-alts- rule and made a char called Solstice Project's Alt to mock this stupidity. Nothing happened. The reason why it's not allowed to impersonate others simply is because of the gigantic mess one can create with that. The activity of "Making others look bad" ... ... can reach dimensions most people can't even comprehend. All my chars are clearly and easily identifyable as me. Am I now impersonating myself? Hi, I'm Sol ! My way of getting around the mess of anonymous alts, which I hate to the bone. You know what would be the best thing ever? More Projects. More Sols. I wouldn't petition a single one of them ! (as long as they stay within the rules, ignoring that one) No it was specifically done cuz of the Goon scamming supers.
Google "Goons get Eve Eula changed" or something like that
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
143
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:28:40 -
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https://www.themittani.com/features/scam-changed-tos?nopaging=1 "THE SCAM THAT CHANGED THE TOS" is the title |

Dots
State Protectorate Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:33:47 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?
Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?
Some weird RL legal issue, maybe?
Alex this is a misconception. The GM said that you can't impersonate yourself because this statement makes no logical sense. If you quote just her first statement it incorrectly seems like CCP is forbidding impersonating yourself. CCP is actually saying that it is impossible to do so.
GM Grimmi wrote:You cannot impersonate yourself.
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Impersonating yourself does not follow good logic since you are yourself and that is not a violation of any policies we have.
Original discussion: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3634141#post3634141
"Blessing" from CCP Manifest: https://twitter.com/ccp_manifest/status/380720650064633858
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Solstice Punk
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:35:48 -
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Hey ! Freckles are hot ! Everything's better with dots on it !
Everything would be SOOOO MUCH BETTER with you on me !
Be my future spacewife, woman ! |

flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2928
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:36:05 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:flakeys wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:flakeys wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ... I'd rather have that pasta bolognese if you have some left ... Sure ! Go make a thread about it and ask nicely. That's what she said .... Do it ! I dare you ! Or click the link in my sig and read !
I don't make silly threads , i make silly responses .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Solstice Punk
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:37:21 -
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Thank you, ugly person. |
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
145
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:38:00 -
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Solstice Punk wrote:Hey ! Freckles are hot ! Everything's better with dots on it !
Everything would be SOOOO MUCH BETTER with you on me !
Be my future spacewife, woman ! She just looks like a trashy ugly version on my hot self.
TL; DR Im sexier |

Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
145
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:38:50 -
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Omfg i m sexy bro |

flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2928
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:41:43 -
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Dots wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?
Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?
Some weird RL legal issue, maybe? Alex this is a misconception. The GM said that you can't impersonate yourself because this statement makes no logical sense. If you quote just her first statement it incorrectly seems like CCP is forbidding impersonating yourself. CCP is actually saying that it is impossible to do so. GM Grimmi wrote:You cannot impersonate yourself.
...
Impersonating yourself does not follow good logic since you are yourself and that is not a violation of any policies we have. Original discussion: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3634141#post3634141
"Blessing" from CCP Manifest: https://twitter.com/ccp_manifest/status/380720650064633858
We have alts in this game and how stupid that might be it was said in the thread by a CCP spokesman when they came up with this rule that you are forbidden to claim to be your main on your alt.So if i log in on an alt now and start a convo with you saying i am flakeys then technically i would be impersonating myself.
Don't ask me why but it was mentioned by someone from CCP back then when someone asked about it.And no i am not going to dig into that thread looking for it , i remember that specific part because it was a giant mindfck for me .
Offcourse it is CCP so generally the rules bend in any wich way the mood is of the guy handling your petition.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3106
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:42:01 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Solstice Punk wrote:Hey ! Freckles are hot ! Everything's better with dots on it !
Everything would be SOOOO MUCH BETTER with you on me !
Be my future spacewife, woman ! She just looks like a trashy ugly version on my hot self. TL; DR Im sexier HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
....... *breathes in deeply* .......
Oh my, I'm so sorry for being so insensiHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
Click! Read! Win!!!
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2928
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:45:17 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Solstice Punk wrote:Hey ! Freckles are hot ! Everything's better with dots on it !
Everything would be SOOOO MUCH BETTER with you on me !
Be my future spacewife, woman ! She just looks like a trashy ugly version on my hot self. TL; DR Im sexier
She actually looks like a more classy and relaxed version of you ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3966
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:56:28 -
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Dots wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?
Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?
Some weird RL legal issue, maybe? Alex this is a misconception. The GM said that you can't impersonate yourself because this statement makes no logical sense. If you quote just her first statement it incorrectly seems like CCP is forbidding impersonating yourself. CCP is actually saying that it is impossible to do so. GM Grimmi wrote:You cannot impersonate yourself.
...
Impersonating yourself does not follow good logic since you are yourself and that is not a violation of any policies we have. Original discussion: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3634141#post3634141
"Blessing" from CCP Manifest: https://twitter.com/ccp_manifest/status/380720650064633858
Aye, thanks but actually I was wondering why I can't claim to be someone else, you or Sol for example.
I read Carrie's link (thanks) but it still seems weird to me. That looks more like a case of abusing the Wiki (which is creative but yeah I guess not nice) with just a little bit of impersonation on the side.
Make space glamorous!
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3966
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:59:23 -
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Meh I prefer Sol. You have zombie eyes and a terrible lipstick.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3106
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:00:30 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Meh I prefer Sol. You have zombie eyes and a terrible lipstick. Me ?
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
Click! Read! Win!!!
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Solstice Punk
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:02:29 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Meh I prefer Sol. You have zombie eyes and a terrible lipstick. Man thanks and all I honestly appreciate the compliment but that's ... ... how do I say it ......
....... GAAA |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3966
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:04:19 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Meh I prefer Sol. You have zombie eyes and a terrible lipstick. Me ? Yes I prefer you. The Punk looks pretty cool too but I'm more into boobies.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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