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Phichi Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.02 08:18:00 - [31] excuse my ignorance... but what is a macro npc'er? Sombody actually came up with a macro to hunt npc's? And if they are escaping doesn't that mean there is somone at the controls? Hence not macroing? Not a flame or anything i'm just not up to date on the whole issue. Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
Toppar Wear Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.02 09:02:00 - [32] Originally by: Phichi excuse my ignorance... but what is a macro npc'er? Sombody actually came up with a macro to hunt npc's? And if they are escaping doesn't that mean there is somone at the controls? Hence not macroing? Not a flame or anything i'm just not up to date on the whole issue. They log off when someone jumps into the system, its scripted. It goes from belt to belt, locks bs¦ and activated f1-f8 + the tank. Macros can be very clever, if anyone remember Diablo. There u could go to sleep while ur alt char was finding items for you, its the same here.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.02 09:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Toppar Wear Originally by: Phichi excuse my ignorance... but what is a macro npc'er? Sombody actually came up with a macro to hunt npc's? And if they are escaping doesn't that mean there is somone at the controls? Hence not macroing? Not a flame or anything i'm just not up to date on the whole issue. They log off when someone jumps into the system, its scripted. It goes from belt to belt, locks bs¦ and activated f1-f8 + the tank. Macros can be very clever, if anyone remember Diablo. There u could go to sleep while ur alt char was finding items for you, its the same here. Really, you sure this isn't just farmers?
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.02 09:45:00 - [34] When I run my dedicated ratting alt in my altcorp, I sometimes use it on a seperate PC, jump from belt to belt targetting BS, press F1-F7 but warp to a SS and press F8 to cloak whenever I see someone enter the system. She often works in tandem with a cloaked hauler who maintains the can farm and sells the goodies. Both use every trick in the book to avoid getting ganked while in ships that are geared for one thing only .. generating iskies for me. I say I don't use macros. Am I telling you the truth? Can you prove it one way or another? Now if you want to just announce you are going nbsi on npc'rs in your space, hoping to kill them to loot their ratting mods, why not just say it. Or can we get an assurance that you will pop any cans to prevent you profitting from macro ratters? Of course I have a huge advantage over the kids you will be targetting and grieffing and looting. I'm almost fluent in English and read the forums and now know that CVA and the freespace ideal are diverging. If you suspect a macro is in use, contact CCP. They have logs and can analyze them for such behaviour when they invest the time in so doing. tbh, they don't go looking for it as its a waste of their time rl money, having so little impact on most players in the game. And anyway, they have an Cunning Plan up their sleeves to deal with it - its just not worth the effort to expidite its implementation. Myn
Morden Nok EVE Corporatio 3154 Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.02 10:28:00 - [35] Originally by: Mynas Atoch When I run my dedicated ratting alt in my altcorp, I sometimes use it on a seperate PC, jump from belt to belt targetting BS, press F1-F7 but warp to a SS and press F8 to cloak whenever I see someone enter the system. She often works in tandem with a cloaked hauler who maintains the can farm and sells the goodies. Both use every trick in the book to avoid getting ganked while in ships that are geared for one thing only .. generating iskies for me. Well, it depends. If I can catch your scorp by putting up bubbles at warp in points in belt and coming back 15 - 30 minutes later to find you cloaked in that bubble with belt full of loot cans with your name on them, yes I'd likely assume that you're not actually playing. If you were, you would have noticed the bubble and the fact that when you manually try to warp out, you're not going anywhere. There are of course many other ways to catch a macro, but I'd like to see you justify real player getting caught by that trick. Morden Nok
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.02 10:40:00 - [36] Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/11/2006 10:41:15 Originally by: Mynas Atoch I'm almost fluent in English and read the forums and now know that CVA and the freespace ideal are diverging. Ain't that the truth... Lets face it.. Free space = anybody can walk into 0.0 and do pretty much whatever they like as long as they dont upset CVA directly by shooting the place up. You cannot differentiate between a macroer and a genuine player without observing their behaviour over an extended period of time. You certainly can't tell them apart by browsing through local. What does this announcement really mean? All it really means is that CVA has identified a couple of macroers that are hiding in certain corps and CVA is now gonna shoot those macroers inside those corps.. its basically a pre-emptive announcement to save themselves the trouble later when those corps whine. As for other macroers CVA can't do anything about them... other than when they physically bump into them. Free Space is incompatible with keeping macroers away.. its simply not possible. If CVA were really bothered about macroers in their space, they would implement NBSI, but they will never do that.. so one has to assume this issue ain't all that important to them. CVA can't police its own space for 'macroers' anymore than anybody can police for 'macroers' in empire, at least not when they run it as free space. So in conclusion... yeah thanks for the announcment.. but in reality you told the general public nothing.
Szumo Manos Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.02 11:38:00 - [37] Edited by: Szumo Manos on 02/11/2006 11:38:53 I am afraid you missed the real point of this announcement, Nez. Not your fault propably, i think the people it's really addressed to won't miss it. It's a not-so-veiled warning, not to macroers themselves (because as someone rightly pointed out, they don't read the forums), but to some other people who seem to willingly harbour them in their corporations/alliances, and later have the nerve to cry 'abuse!' when we shoot macroers. This will not work. We have a very strong stance on this issue, and any attempts to put the blame on us for this will meet a painful response. Living in part of Providence we control is a right - it is a privilege. We extend that privilege to many neutrals because of our benevolence, but make no mistake, start making demands of us, or act without respect, and you will be 'expelled'. Quite forcefully.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.02 11:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Szumo Manos I am afraid you missed the real point of this announcement, Nez. Not your fault propably, i think the people it's really addressed to won't miss it. hmm k.. maybe I did miss the point... So how many corporations we talking about? 2, 3, 4? If this announcement was pinpointed at those corporations harbouring the macroers... what's wrong with eve-mail? Send their CEO's a mail, if they don't respond within a set timeframe, make them -ve. If I missed the point, maybe its cause there wasnt one at all??
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.02 12:09:00 - [39] there are making their policy clear. Setting precedent for their space. thats the point
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.02 12:13:00 - [40] Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/11/2006 12:14:33 Originally by: Robet Katrix there are making their policy clear. Setting precedent for their space. thats the point .. yeah only the precedent they are setting is the default for NBSI alliances all over EVE.... Do you think macroers get to setup shop in D2 space or LV space? No they don't, because they get shot up along with the rest of the neutrals. There is no real precedent being set here because there is no way for CVA to control who enters or who doesn't enter their space... only when they physically bump into a macroer will they actually recognise one. A CVA spokesman already informed us that this announcement was infact pinpointed at specific corporations ...which could have been handled by eve-mail satisfactorily. ......
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.11.02 12:48:00 - [41] Is this policy being extended to blatant ISK farmers? Think 2 month old player in geddon with 5.0 status who does nothing but NPC in suspicious 12 hour shifts
Szumo Manos Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.02 13:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Nez Perces ...which could have been handled by eve-mail satisfactorily. If it could have been, it would have been. You see this annoucement because it wasn't. Of course i might be wrong and you might be right, in which case this thread is completely unnecessary... which is hardly unusual in COAD though, isn't it? ;) Originally by: Butter Dog Is this policy being extended to blatant ISK farmers? Think 2 month old player in geddon with 5.0 status who does nothing but NPC in suspicious 12 hour shifts No. While the goal would be worthwhile, i think it would be impractical, unless you have a good idea how to implement that?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.02 13:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Szumo Manos ... which is hardly unusual in COAD though, isn't it? ;) you make a valid point there sir.. GL with rooting out any macro-users.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:26:00 - [44] Originally by: Nez Perces There is no real precedent being set here because there is no way for CVA to control who enters or who doesn't enter their space... only when they physically bump into a macroer will they actually recognise one. Aye...but CVA space is quite thoroughly patrolled by CVA combat pilots. We like to be completely aware of who is in our space at any given time and what they are doing. And as Butter Dog points out, there are some "at-a-glance" signs that can draw our attention to potential macroers and put them under closer observation. Originally by: Nez Perces A CVA spokesman already informed us that this announcement was infact pinpointed at specific corporations ...which could have been handled by eve-mail satisfactorily. It has been mentioned several times that CVA operates a "free space" policy. We cannot predict what alliances or organizations will have pilots in our space at any given time...so eve-mail would be quite inadequate. A blanket announcement is far more efficient.
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:29:00 - [45] o/ Garreck Good luck hunting the macroers, give 'em no quarter
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.02 15:21:00 - [46] Good luck in killing the cheats. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.11.02 15:27:00 - [47] I know how you feel CVA. Back in xelas, there was a corp called project babylon 5, and they was clearly and constantly macro-mining. We reported them to CCP, Who said they would do something, we reported them to Xelas High Command, who said they would look into it and never did bother, and all we wanted was to shoot the bastards. In the end, we did Those that do not adapt become victims of Major Stormer
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.11.02 15:32:00 - [48] Originally by: Mynas Atoch When I run my dedicated ratting alt in my altcorp, I sometimes use it on a seperate PC, jump from belt to belt targetting BS, press F1-F7 but warp to a SS and press F8 to cloak whenever I see someone enter the system. She often works in tandem with a cloaked hauler who maintains the can farm and sells the goodies. Both use every trick in the book to avoid getting ganked while in ships that are geared for one thing only .. generating iskies for me. I say I don't use macros. Am I telling you the truth? Can you prove it one way or another? Now if you want to just announce you are going nbsi on npc'rs in your space, hoping to kill them to loot their ratting mods, why not just say it. Or can we get an assurance that you will pop any cans to prevent you profitting from macro ratters? Of course I have a huge advantage over the kids you will be targetting and grieffing and looting. I'm almost fluent in English and read the forums and now know that CVA and the freespace ideal are diverging. If you suspect a macro is in use, contact CCP. They have logs and can analyze them for such behaviour when they invest the time in so doing. tbh, they don't go looking for it as its a waste of their time rl money, having so little impact on most players in the game. And anyway, they have an Cunning Plan up their sleeves to deal with it - its just not worth the effort to expidite its implementation. Myn Do you do it 23 hours a day? Originally by: Goberth Ludwig **** what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.02 16:25:00 - [49] In terms of identifying macro-npc'isk farmers..they are rather obvious. About 10 people all of whom were born on the exact same day. All of whom have been in the same corps together, and joined the corporation/alliance in question on the same day. All of whom npc literally 23 hours per day in the belts. All of whom fly ravens. All of whom have the exact same replies in local. Now i suppose all of this might be a coincidence...but we seriously doubt it. As Garreck indicated we patrol our space rather closely..CVA doesnt control so many systems that we arent keenly aware of who is flying/npc'ing, defending, etc. When this corp arrived they were like locusts...consuming almost every npc in a half dozen systems. To suggest that CVA is somehow getting away from its free-space mission is downright silly. This declaration was designed to do the exact opposite-its desgiend to allow us to continue to protect our mission and to provide a welcome enviornment for honest, law abiding pilots. Vantras
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.02 16:43:00 - [50] How about some names of corps that harbor them? I¦m sure many ppl would love to war dec them to solve the issue for you. Where is your evidence that they are are using macros? If you hunt ppl that hunt NPCs all day in your space, then you can just close it for neutrals and engage in NBSI. Ship lovers click here
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.02 17:36:00 - [51] So that's where they are. Ushra'Khan space has been clear from them for a couple of weeks. I hope you catch them but they are hard as hell to get. They usually just warp safe and log. TORPS corp is one isk farming corp but there is no use in declaring war on them as they never leave 0.0 unless they've been killed and are moving another ship to 0.0.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.11.02 19:02:00 - [52] Originally by: Nez Perces Do you think macroers get to setup shop in D2 space or LV space? Yes. See: Venal. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.02 19:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: Nez Perces Do you think macroers get to setup shop in D2 space or LV space? Yes. See: Venal. ...errr .. Venal is contested space.. Joshua's Map... I was referring to space under undisputed control of D2 or LV and thus under NBSI.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 20:03:00 - [54] CVA , how about also naming and shamign those macroers so that also other corps and alliances are aware of them and do not recruit them at some point , i beleive this is a good step to make this a joint effort for all to rid this game of exploiters? "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.11.02 20:21:00 - [55] I knew about the chaps you talk of a few weeks ago , is funny when I added 2 of them to my addy , when one logged the other came on , then I made a game of it by seeing if I could get to the next system before he logged the other on . Think I know who this is towards and thats what you get basically when you recruit all and sundry , beat them up anyway you'll be doing me a favour too . As for the actual macroing accusations your sure about it ? They do log pretty much soon as you enter local but on a few occasions I've gotten very random bits of chat in local from them ( then log ) , they might be very cautious npc'ers . Then again as I write I wondered , don't GM's convo you and ask questions only a real person would know ?
insanebe Caldari carebear Corp	Posted - 2006.11.03 00:06:00 - [56] i used to play a game that had a problem with macro users, they eventually solved this problem by making the game ask the player a simple totally random math question eg whats 2+3 the macros would answer wrong or fail to answer at all resulting in them being flagged for the GM who would then investiagte and ban the macros, couldn't they do something similar here ? knowledge is power.... guard it well
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.11.03 00:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Mangold TORPS corp Indeed , shame that NOS didn't realise this though
Dracolich North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.11.03 01:42:00 - [58] Yet another notch in my axe called respect, this notch will be known as CVA.
Aaron Static Deep Space Consortium Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.03 09:26:00 - [59] Originally by: insanebe i used to play a game that had a problem with macro users, they eventually solved this problem by making the game ask the player a simple totally random math question eg whats 2+3 the macros would answer wrong or fail to answer at all resulting in them being flagged for the GM who would then investiagte and ban the macros, couldn't they do something similar here ? wait a minute... so normal miners would need to know basic arithmetic in order to get veldspar? isnt that asking a bit much :P
Camar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2006.11.03 14:18:00 - [60] Good luck and good inititive CVA, give the macroers hell More should follow your example... Respectfully Camar

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