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Acron Ishtal
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Acron Ishtal on 01/11/2006 23:38:23
AN AUTHORIZED TRANSMISSION OF CVA HIGH COMMAND:
Recently the CVA has seen an increase in activity of macro users in our space. While normally we try to keep our space open to all neutrals, macro users are violators of the EULA and are disrupting the game for legitimate players.
As of this posting, any macro users caught in CVA space will be declared KOS and killed without mercy.
Unfortunately a number of corporations have taken to recruiting these players, despite obvious breaches of the EULA and strong indicators of macro behavior. Corporations found to be harboring macro users that operate in our space will be notified of the offending macro user. This will NOT stop us from executing our KOS policy against these players.
This issue is not one we take lightly. Our good will has been abused by flagrant cheaters, and we strongly encourage everyone to take similar stances on this issue. We will continue to report these players and hopefully CCP will see fit to address this issue, but until then this remains our sole course of action.
Thank you.
Editted to reduce confusion.
An authorized transmission of the honorable Deacon Acron Ishtal
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:03:00 -
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No offence but do you really think actual proper macro miners/isk farmers read the forums?
Also 95% of the time they tend to warp to safe and cloak the second someone enters local.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:04:00 -
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Dont bother killing those cheating scum , just report them to CCP and they will enjoy a permanet BAN , CCP doenst take macro users lightly at all.
"There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 01/11/2006 23:08:28
Just to be clear this warning is not so much a warning to macroers themselves but to the corporations & alliances that operate in our space and who have been recruiting these people (inadvertently or not).
We will not tolerate excuses on this anymore!
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Traxio Nacho
No offence but do you really think actual proper macro miners/isk farmers read the forums?
Also 95% of the time they tend to warp to safe and cloak the second someone enters local.
He's talking more to the corporations that harbor them, I assume.
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Dont bother killing those cheating scum , just report them to CCP and they will enjoy a permanet BAN , CCP doenst take macro users lightly at all.
"We will continue to report these players"
They have been reported as mentioned in the original post, but we will do our part when we can.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Reash
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Dont bother killing those cheating scum , just report them to CCP and they will enjoy a permanet BAN , CCP doenst take macro users lightly at all.
"We will continue to report these players"
They have been reported as mentioned in the original post, but we will do our part when we can.
Respect and GL ridding this game of filthy exploiters  .
"There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:12:00 -
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Glad to see more people doing something to rid the game of this menace.
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Nukeitall
Nukeitall Coterie
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:14:00 -
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I'm confused by the statement - clarification:
A.It's been established that you will destroy those who harbor macro-using players. That's clear.
B. However in the initial post it was said "macrohunters are violators of the EULA and are disrupting the game for legitimate players" - indicating that any vigilantes that do the job for you are also subject to summary judgement and execution.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:18:00 -
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The CVA is the sole dispenser of justice in CVA space 
Corps who harbour macroers are not being attacked however they are being notified of macroers in their ranks and informed that the CVA will shoot said macroers.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 01/11/2006 23:20:13
First of all ..
Gl with getting those Macrominers banned and GL rooting out the corporations that harbour them.
... however, I can't help feeling that your open space policies are encouraging and assisting macro-miners to setup shop in 0.0.
I have lived in free space before, under CFS rule and I am well aware of the impossiblity to really control who enters and who does not enter free space.
To enable free space you have to assume that neutral corps or pilots are genuine players not there to cause trouble... only when you find out they are troublemakers or macroers in this case can you set them to -ve standings.
It is quite possible that a neutral corp could be macroing for a substantial time period within your space.. i.e under the radar, before you noticed.
How do you respond to this concern?
Furthermore if this problem continues for you or even increases in scale... will you consider dropping free space in order to make sure macro miners are kept out of 0.0?
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Nukeitall
Nukeitall Coterie
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
The CVA is the sole dispenser of justice in CVA space
Corps who harbour macroers are not being attacked however they are being notified of macroers in their ranks and informed that the CVA will shoot said macroers.
Fair enough.
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Acron Ishtal
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
It is quite possible that a neutral corp could be macroing for a substantial time period within your space.. i.e under the radar, before you noticed.
How do you respond to this concern?
Furthermore if this problem continues for you or even increases in scale... will you consider dropping free space in order to make sure macro miners are kept out of 0.0?
The answers are simple:
When found, they will leave or they will die.
The CVA will not turn back from open space policies. Our mission statement is clear and concise on this matter.
An authorized transmission of the honorable Deacon Acron Ishtal
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Ramruqai
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 01/11/2006 23:20:13
Furthermore if this problem continues for you or even increases in scale... will you consider dropping free space in order to make sure macro miners are kept out of 0.0?
No. Making it possible for neutrals to enjoy the fruits of our region is more important than stopping macroers CCP should be? are? working very hard on to stop.
P.S.
The extra Raven killmail now and then for little effort (catch in travel mode) is nice as well. :P
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Acron Ishtal
When found, they will leave or they will die.
The CVA will not turn back from open space policies. Our mission statement is clear and concise on this matter.
Indeed that is clear enough....
How severe is the current problem?.... I am assuming quite as CVA thought it worthy of an EVE-Online post.
Also I am quite curious as to how exactly do you go about finding these macro miners.. are they easily distinguishable in any shape or form, when browsing through local? (e.g do they wear funny hats....?)
Thankyou for your responses so far.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:34:00 -
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We posted this to ensure that there could be no confusion for corporations/alliances (operating in our space) on this issue - particularly as the frequency of 'macroers' seemed to be increasing - which is why we have taken this action.
In terms of the the distinguishing characteristics there are plenty but not going into detail on that here - but the details have been reported to CCP...
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Acron Ishtal
macrohunters are violators of the EULA and are disrupting the game for legitimate players.
I think you mixed something up with that part. Macrohunters are ppl that hunt macro miners.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
No offence but do you really think actual proper macro miners/isk farmers read the forums?
Also 95% of the time they tend to warp to safe and cloak the second someone enters local.
He's talking more to the corporations that harbor them, I assume.
Some of those corps have wars on them just for that purpose. I know a ceo that allows you to war dec his corp to kill the macrominers while his ppl mine somewhere else.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Originally by: Acron Ishtal
macrohunters are violators of the EULA and are disrupting the game for legitimate players.
I think you mixed something up with that part. Macrohunters are ppl that hunt macro miners.
This term confused me the first time I heard it too
To clarify macrohunters are actually 'macro-NPCers' who are spending 23hrs a day in belts 'hunting'.
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Acron Ishtal
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Originally by: Acron Ishtal
macrohunters are violators of the EULA and are disrupting the game for legitimate players.
I think you mixed something up with that part. Macrohunters are ppl that hunt macro miners.
Not all macro users mine asteroids.
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Acron Ishtal
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:39:00 -
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Editted OP to correctly say "macro user" in place of that more confusing term.
An authorized transmission of the honorable Deacon Acron Ishtal
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:41:00 -
[21]
This made me think of you
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Hellspawn01
Originally by: Acron Ishtal
macrohunters are violators of the EULA and are disrupting the game for legitimate players.
I think you mixed something up with that part. Macrohunters are ppl that hunt macro miners.
This term confused me the first time I heard it too
To clarify macrohunters are actually 'macro-NPCers' who are spending 23hrs a day in belts 'hunting'.
That doesnt make sense. NPCing isnt against the EULA afaik.
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.11.02 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
That doesnt make sense. NPCing isnt against the EULA afaik.
neither is mining. the use of macros is.
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INZi
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2006.11.02 06:12:00 -
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lol. could they be raven pilots?
perhaps with stabs?
and perhaps wit cloaks fitted?
well good luck on KOSing em. and catching em. and killing.
check out my latest vid. u'll see me engage three off em. couldn't scout em. just could bookmark their can spot and loginski them.
well good luck cva. you will need it
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
The CVA is the sole dispenser of justice in CVA space
So says Hardin the Mercenary before going off again to fill his pockets with ISK from registering another alliance with CONCORD.  
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 06:56:00 -
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You're just upset that you haven't been asked Seleene
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Also 95% of the time they tend to warp to safe and cloak the second someone enters local.
Jeebz, macros have become advanced nowadays.
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Aaron Static
Deep Space Consortium
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 07:22:00 -
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CVA has my total support on this matter.. I will be sure to report any macroers I see in providence to both CCP and the CVA.
respect!
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 02/11/2006 07:30:31
Originally by: INZi
lol. could they be raven pilots?
perhaps with stabs?
and perhaps wit cloaks fitted?
well good luck on KOSing em. and catching em. and killing.
check out my latest vid. u'll see me engage three off em. couldn't scout em. just could bookmark their can spot and loginski them.
well good luck cva. you will need it
It really is terrible. I have been chasing macroNPCers heading to Venal for over 2 weeks now, I can catch a Badger now and then and that's it. They're using every trick in the book to avoid capture(logoffski, double-logging, etc), and there's not a **** thing I can do about it other than set up 23/7 gatecamps. Noobs need to be more vulnerable in 0.0.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
You're just upset that you haven't been asked Seleene
You are a bad, evil man. That tie doesn't fool anyone.
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Phichi
Team Americas
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.02 08:18:00 -
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excuse my ignorance... but what is a macro npc'er? Sombody actually came up with a macro to hunt npc's? And if they are escaping doesn't that mean there is somone at the controls? Hence not macroing? Not a flame or anything i'm just not up to date on the whole issue.
Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
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Toppar Wear
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Phichi
excuse my ignorance... but what is a macro npc'er? Sombody actually came up with a macro to hunt npc's? And if they are escaping doesn't that mean there is somone at the controls? Hence not macroing? Not a flame or anything i'm just not up to date on the whole issue.
They log off when someone jumps into the system, its scripted. It goes from belt to belt, locks bsŠ and activated f1-f8 + the tank.
Macros can be very clever, if anyone remember Diablo. There u could go to sleep while ur alt char was finding items for you, its the same here.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Toppar Wear
Originally by: Phichi
excuse my ignorance... but what is a macro npc'er? Sombody actually came up with a macro to hunt npc's? And if they are escaping doesn't that mean there is somone at the controls? Hence not macroing? Not a flame or anything i'm just not up to date on the whole issue.
They log off when someone jumps into the system, its scripted. It goes from belt to belt, locks bsŠ and activated f1-f8 + the tank.
Macros can be very clever, if anyone remember Diablo. There u could go to sleep while ur alt char was finding items for you, its the same here.
Really, you sure this isn't just farmers?
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Mynas Atoch
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:45:00 -
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When I run my dedicated ratting alt in my altcorp, I sometimes use it on a seperate PC, jump from belt to belt targetting BS, press F1-F7 but warp to a SS and press F8 to cloak whenever I see someone enter the system. She often works in tandem with a cloaked hauler who maintains the can farm and sells the goodies. Both use every trick in the book to avoid getting ganked while in ships that are geared for one thing only .. generating iskies for me.
I say I don't use macros. Am I telling you the truth? Can you prove it one way or another? Now if you want to just announce you are going nbsi on npc'rs in your space, hoping to kill them to loot their ratting mods, why not just say it. Or can we get an assurance that you will pop any cans to prevent you profitting from macro ratters?
Of course I have a huge advantage over the kids you will be targetting and grieffing and looting. I'm almost fluent in English and read the forums and now know that CVA and the freespace ideal are diverging.
If you suspect a macro is in use, contact CCP. They have logs and can analyze them for such behaviour when they invest the time in so doing. tbh, they don't go looking for it as its a waste of their time rl money, having so little impact on most players in the game. And anyway, they have an Cunning Plan up their sleeves to deal with it - its just not worth the effort to expidite its implementation.
Myn
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Morden Nok
EVE Corporatio 3154
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch
When I run my dedicated ratting alt in my altcorp, I sometimes use it on a seperate PC, jump from belt to belt targetting BS, press F1-F7 but warp to a SS and press F8 to cloak whenever I see someone enter the system. She often works in tandem with a cloaked hauler who maintains the can farm and sells the goodies. Both use every trick in the book to avoid getting ganked while in ships that are geared for one thing only .. generating iskies for me.
Well, it depends. If I can catch your scorp by putting up bubbles at warp in points in belt and coming back 15 - 30 minutes later to find you cloaked in that bubble with belt full of loot cans with your name on them, yes I'd likely assume that you're not actually playing. If you were, you would have noticed the bubble and the fact that when you manually try to warp out, you're not going anywhere. There are of course many other ways to catch a macro, but I'd like to see you justify real player getting caught by that trick.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/11/2006 10:41:15
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
I'm almost fluent in English and read the forums and now know that CVA and the freespace ideal are diverging.
Ain't that the truth...
Lets face it..
Free space = anybody can walk into 0.0 and do pretty much whatever they like as long as they dont upset CVA directly by shooting the place up.
You cannot differentiate between a macroer and a genuine player without observing their behaviour over an extended period of time. You certainly can't tell them apart by browsing through local.
What does this announcement really mean?
All it really means is that CVA has identified a couple of macroers that are hiding in certain corps and CVA is now gonna shoot those macroers inside those corps.. its basically a pre-emptive announcement to save themselves the trouble later when those corps whine.
As for other macroers CVA can't do anything about them... other than when they physically bump into them. Free Space is incompatible with keeping macroers away.. its simply not possible. If CVA were really bothered about macroers in their space, they would implement NBSI, but they will never do that.. so one has to assume this issue ain't all that important to them.
CVA can't police its own space for 'macroers' anymore than anybody can police for 'macroers' in empire, at least not when they run it as free space.
So in conclusion... yeah thanks for the announcment.. but in reality you told the general public nothing.
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Szumo Manos
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Szumo Manos on 02/11/2006 11:38:53
I am afraid you missed the real point of this announcement, Nez. Not your fault propably, i think the people it's really addressed to won't miss it.
It's a not-so-veiled warning, not to macroers themselves (because as someone rightly pointed out, they don't read the forums), but to some other people who seem to willingly harbour them in their corporations/alliances, and later have the nerve to cry 'abuse!' when we shoot macroers.
This will not work. We have a very strong stance on this issue, and any attempts to put the blame on us for this will meet a painful response.
Living in part of Providence we control is a right - it is a privilege. We extend that privilege to many neutrals because of our benevolence, but make no mistake, start making demands of us, or act without respect, and you will be 'expelled'. Quite forcefully.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Szumo Manos
I am afraid you missed the real point of this announcement, Nez. Not your fault propably, i think the people it's really addressed to won't miss it.
hmm k.. maybe I did miss the point...
So how many corporations we talking about? 2, 3, 4?
If this announcement was pinpointed at those corporations harbouring the macroers... what's wrong with eve-mail?
Send their CEO's a mail, if they don't respond within a set timeframe, make them -ve.
If I missed the point, maybe its cause there wasnt one at all??
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Robet Katrix
Beagle Corp
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:09:00 -
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there are making their policy clear.
Setting precedent for their space.
thats the point
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/11/2006 12:14:33
Originally by: Robet Katrix
there are making their policy clear.
Setting precedent for their space.
thats the point
.. yeah only the precedent they are setting is the default for NBSI alliances all over EVE....
Do you think macroers get to setup shop in D2 space or LV space?
No they don't, because they get shot up along with the rest of the neutrals.
There is no real precedent being set here because there is no way for CVA to control who enters or who doesn't enter their space... only when they physically bump into a macroer will they actually recognise one.
A CVA spokesman already informed us that this announcement was infact pinpointed at specific corporations ...which could have been handled by eve-mail satisfactorily.
......
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:48:00 -
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Is this policy being extended to blatant ISK farmers?
Think 2 month old player in geddon with 5.0 status who does nothing but NPC in suspicious 12 hour shifts 
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Szumo Manos
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:13:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Nez Perces
...which could have been handled by eve-mail satisfactorily.
If it could have been, it would have been. You see this annoucement because it wasn't.
Of course i might be wrong and you might be right, in which case this thread is completely
unnecessary... which is hardly unusual in COAD though, isn't it? ;)
Originally by: Butter Dog
Is this policy being extended to blatant ISK farmers?
Think 2 month old player in geddon with 5.0 status who does nothing but NPC in suspicious 12 hour shifts
No. While the goal would be worthwhile, i think it would be impractical, unless you have a good idea how to implement that?
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:19:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Szumo Manos
... which is hardly unusual in COAD though, isn't it? ;)
you make a valid point there sir.. GL with rooting out any macro-users.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
There is no real precedent being set here because there is no way for CVA to control who enters or who doesn't enter their space... only when they physically bump into a macroer will they actually recognise one.
Aye...but CVA space is quite thoroughly patrolled by CVA combat pilots. We like to be completely aware of who is in our space at any given time and what they are doing. And as Butter Dog points out, there are some "at-a-glance" signs that can draw our attention to potential macroers and put them under closer observation.
Originally by: Nez Perces
A CVA spokesman already informed us that this announcement was infact pinpointed at specific corporations ...which could have been handled by eve-mail satisfactorily.
It has been mentioned several times that CVA operates a "free space" policy. We cannot predict what alliances or organizations will have pilots in our space at any given time...so eve-mail would be quite inadequate. A blanket announcement is far more efficient.
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:29:00 -
[45]
o/ Garreck
Good luck hunting the macroers, give 'em no quarter
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:21:00 -
[46]
Good luck in killing the cheats.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Demon Womb
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:27:00 -
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I know how you feel CVA. Back in xelas, there was a corp called project babylon 5, and they was clearly and constantly macro-mining. We reported them to CCP, Who said they would do something, we reported them to Xelas High Command, who said they would look into it and never did bother, and all we wanted was to shoot the bastards.
In the end, we did 
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:32:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
When I run my dedicated ratting alt in my altcorp, I sometimes use it on a seperate PC, jump from belt to belt targetting BS, press F1-F7 but warp to a SS and press F8 to cloak whenever I see someone enter the system. She often works in tandem with a cloaked hauler who maintains the can farm and sells the goodies. Both use every trick in the book to avoid getting ganked while in ships that are geared for one thing only .. generating iskies for me.
I say I don't use macros. Am I telling you the truth? Can you prove it one way or another? Now if you want to just announce you are going nbsi on npc'rs in your space, hoping to kill them to loot their ratting mods, why not just say it. Or can we get an assurance that you will pop any cans to prevent you profitting from macro ratters?
Of course I have a huge advantage over the kids you will be targetting and grieffing and looting. I'm almost fluent in English and read the forums and now know that CVA and the freespace ideal are diverging.
If you suspect a macro is in use, contact CCP. They have logs and can analyze them for such behaviour when they invest the time in so doing. tbh, they don't go looking for it as its a waste of their time rl money, having so little impact on most players in the game. And anyway, they have an Cunning Plan up their sleeves to deal with it - its just not worth the effort to expidite its implementation.
Myn
Do you do it 23 hours a day?
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
**** what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?
Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:25:00 -
[49]
In terms of identifying macro-npc'isk farmers..they are rather obvious.
About 10 people all of whom were born on the exact same day.
All of whom have been in the same corps together, and joined the corporation/alliance in question on the same day.
All of whom npc literally 23 hours per day in the belts.
All of whom fly ravens.
All of whom have the exact same replies in local.
Now i suppose all of this might be a coincidence...but we seriously doubt it. As Garreck indicated we patrol our space rather closely..CVA doesnt control so many systems that we arent keenly aware of who is flying/npc'ing, defending, etc. When this corp arrived they were like locusts...consuming almost every npc in a half dozen systems.
To suggest that CVA is somehow getting away from its free-space mission is downright silly. This declaration was designed to do the exact opposite-its desgiend to allow us to continue to protect our mission and to provide a welcome enviornment for honest, law abiding pilots.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:43:00 -
[50]
How about some names of corps that harbor them? IŠm sure many ppl would love to war dec them to solve the issue for you. Where is your evidence that they are are using macros?
If you hunt ppl that hunt NPCs all day in your space, then you can just close it for neutrals and engage in NBSI.
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.02 17:36:00 -
[51]
So that's where they are. Ushra'Khan space has been clear from them for a couple of weeks. I hope you catch them but they are hard as hell to get. They usually just warp safe and log.
TORPS corp is one isk farming corp but there is no use in declaring war on them as they never leave 0.0 unless they've been killed and are moving another ship to 0.0.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:02:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Do you think macroers get to setup shop in D2 space or LV space?
Yes. See: Venal.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:52:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Nez Perces
Do you think macroers get to setup shop in D2 space or LV space?
Yes. See: Venal.
...errr .. Venal is contested space.. Joshua's Map...
I was referring to space under undisputed control of D2 or LV and thus under NBSI.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:03:00 -
[54]
CVA , how about also naming and shamign those macroers so that also other corps and alliances are aware of them and do not recruit them at some point , i beleive this is a good step to make this a joint effort for all to rid this game of exploiters?
"There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Snodgey2004
Mega Modal M0nkeys
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:21:00 -
[55]
I knew about the chaps you talk of a few weeks ago , is funny when I added 2 of them to my addy , when one logged the other came on , then I made a game of it by seeing if I could get to the next system before he logged the other on . Think I know who this is towards and thats what you get basically when you recruit all and sundry , beat them up anyway you'll be doing me a favour too .
As for the actual macroing accusations your sure about it ? They do log pretty much soon as you enter local but on a few occasions I've gotten very random bits of chat in local from them ( then log ) , they might be very cautious npc'ers  . Then again as I write I wondered , don't GM's convo you and ask questions only a real person would know ?
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insanebe
Caldari
carebear Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.03 00:06:00 -
[56]
i used to play a game that had a problem with macro users,
they eventually solved this problem by making the game ask the player a simple totally random math question eg whats 2+3
the macros would answer wrong or fail to answer at all resulting in them being flagged for the GM who would then investiagte and ban the macros,
couldn't they do something similar here ?
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Snodgey2004
Mega Modal M0nkeys
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Posted - 2006.11.03 00:17:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Mangold
TORPS corp
Indeed , shame that NOS didn't realise this though 
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Dracolich
North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:42:00 -
[58]
Yet another notch in my axe called respect, this notch will be known as CVA.
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Aaron Static
Deep Space Consortium
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.03 09:26:00 -
[59]
Originally by: insanebe
i used to play a game that had a problem with macro users,
they eventually solved this problem by making the game ask the player a simple totally random math question eg whats 2+3
the macros would answer wrong or fail to answer at all resulting in them being flagged for the GM who would then investiagte and ban the macros,
couldn't they do something similar here ?
wait a minute... so normal miners would need to know basic arithmetic in order to get veldspar?
isnt that asking a bit much :P
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Camar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2006.11.03 14:18:00 -
[60]
Good luck and good inititive CVA, give the macroers hell More should follow your example...
Respectfully
Camar
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 14:20:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler
EvE needs more open 0.0 not less, more areas where newer/casual players can hope to exist without trigger-happy alliance paranoia.
Thats absolute rubbish.. but this is not the thread to discuss it.. over the weekend I shall start a thread exposing free space for what it is... a morally bankrupt concept.
Also activate your corp tag or alliance tag on the forums or your post will get deleted.
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:20:00 -
[62]
CVA Operations in and around Providence are not about this 'free space' concept of yours.
Our message is clear and directly to the point, it is about the Macro and how they must be purged.
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Angry Dan
Caldari
Widowmakers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:30:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Really, you sure this isn't just farmers?
Nope, I've seen the video of Sajukk Praetor murderizing them about 3 jumps from 9-UYH4. It was funny :)
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Founder member of the Huzzah Federation.
Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence
Widowmakers director
Fear my kneepads of allure!
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:25:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Angry Dan
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Really, you sure this isn't just farmers?
Nope, I've seen the video of Sajukk Praetor murderizing them about 3 jumps from 9-UYH4. It was funny :)
link pls.
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WETRAIN
Minmatar
Solidline Enterprise
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.11.03 22:29:00 -
[65]
This just in from the Venal area , The Guristas have the fight of theyr lives in the belts nowadays, as the chinese farmers make 1 month old alts sometimes from 3 to 8 of them and train them for a raven and macro npc. As they adressed them with the simple words of "F***ing CHINESE FARMERS" local , from the Guristas they answered with their beat up english "In order To Live ..." as they where feeding theyr children by macro`ing....
My opinion? ******* KILL EM ALL EVERYWHERE EVERYWHERE KILL THE CHINESE NODES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Angry Dan
Caldari
Widowmakers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 22:32:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Mangold
Originally by: Angry Dan
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Really, you sure this isn't just farmers?
Nope, I've seen the video of Sajukk Praetor murderizing them about 3 jumps from 9-UYH4. It was funny :)
link pls.
As far as I know, it's not hosted on the web. He frapsed it, and sharing a house with him means I get to see it :). The kills were on the NOS killboard, same day your blob murderized my shiny raptor (and my pod) lag slideshows suck.. I'll see if I can get a copy hosted for ya.
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Founder member of the Huzzah Federation.
Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence
Widowmakers director
Fear my kneepads of allure!
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:07:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Angry Dan
As far as I know, it's not hosted on the web. He frapsed it, and sharing a house with him means I get to see it :). The kills were on the NOS killboard, same day your blob murderized my shiny raptor (and my pod) lag slideshows suck.. I'll see if I can get a copy hosted for ya.
That would be awesome. Could you send me an eve-mail with the address please?
Btw Ushra'khan has killed 3 farmer ravens and 2 pods today.
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Kadriel
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.04 22:43:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler
As for a couple of posters who seem to believe that the whole of 0.0 should be under NBSI rules I can only assume that they don't care for the long term health of the game. EvE needs more open 0.0 not less, more areas where newer/casual players can hope to exist without trigger-happy alliance paranoia.
In case ^^^ forgot to take his meds, and forgot what was goin on. 0.0 = lawless(aka not nub friendly). cva wouldnt have this problem right now if they had the NBSI policy. NBSI doesnt do anything for or against the "health" of the game. if anything, it makes the peep try harder and use better tactics, instead of being an artarded carebear w/o a clue.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:12:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
I say I don't use macros. Am I telling you the truth? Can you prove it one way or another? Now if you want to just announce you are going nbsi on npc'rs in your space, hoping to kill them to loot their ratting mods, why not just say it. Or can we get an assurance that you will pop any cans to prevent you profitting from macro ratters?
Myn
You, a subhuman peon profiteer, are asking assurances from the CVA regarding their divine celestial rights to police this extention of the Amarr Empire, and subsequently their execution of said rights?
Tell you what.
Mail Lord Sidyous and ask him this, send him my regards.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:22:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/11/2006 02:23:49
Originally by: Gaius Kador
You, a subhuman peon profiteer, are asking assurances from the CVA regarding their divine celestial rights to police this extention of the Amarr Empire, and subsequently their execution of said rights?
Tell you what.
Mail Lord Sidyous and ask him this, send him my regards.
I really really love the self-righteous RP CVA come up with .. as an Amarrian myself.. I do believe we are the master race !! ... its just such a real shame that CVA then go and flush the whole Amarrian Superiority RP down the toilet with the cuddly 'free space' rubbish 
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:25:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/11/2006 02:23:49
Originally by: Gaius Kador
You, a subhuman peon profiteer, are asking assurances from the CVA regarding their divine celestial rights to police this extention of the Amarr Empire, and subsequently their execution of said rights?
Tell you what.
Mail Lord Sidyous and ask him this, send him my regards.
I really really love the self-righteous RP CVA come up with .. as an Amarrian myself.. I do believe we are the master race !! ... its just such a real shame that CVA then go and flush the whole Amarrian Superiority RP down the toilet with the cuddly 'free space' rubbish
You clearly have no concept whatsoever of what CVA are doing in Providence and just wish to start flame wars. How about actually getting off your high horse and taking alook before you make 101 presumptions and accusations.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:29:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Gaius Kador
You clearly have no concept whatsoever of what CVA are doing in Providence and just wish to start flame wars. How about actually getting off your high horse and taking alook before you make 101 presumptions and accusations.
.. alright, throw me a link so I can 'educate' myself.... you know like the CVA charter or something like that.. if its public that is.
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Redwolf
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:35:00 -
[73]
Were it any business of yours, I'm sure we'd have let you know already.
Originally by: HippoKing
Who cares if the game is coming up. Forums are back \o/
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Saucerhead
Forum Moderator
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Posted - 2006.11.05 09:18:00 -
[74]
Guys, remain civil, pretty please.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 11:47:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Hardin on 05/11/2006 11:52:45
Nez,
What exactly is your problem with CVA?
Because it seems to me that you are obsessed with us. Over the past month I have seen you flame us in numerous different threads on numerous different occasions - for no apparent reason other than some kind of personal vendetta.
What exactly is that we have done to **** you off? Is it that for two years now we have been a living breathing example of a working 'freespace' area that you seemingly despise?
As you are not a resident of our region then please explain why our policy is of such interest to you that you feel the need to continually flame us and what we are about?
Seriously, if you have that much of a grudge then please 'bring it' in space. I am sure we would be happy to enlighten you - as we have enlightened many who have challenged our way of doing things over the past two years.
The CVA exists for two primary purposes:
Firstly, we combat Minmatar terrorists particularly the Ushra'Khan alliance, Stormriders and those who ally with them against us. If you doubt our work in this field then please visit -
Holy Amarrian Justice
- and check it out for yourself.
Secondly, we seek to extend the Amarrian Empire into 0.0 in Providence. This project entitled 'Deliverance' was started two years ago and is not 'warm and cuddly' as you described it.
Yes, we allow neutrals into our space because neutrals are allowed into Amarrian space under the protection of Concord. Just imagine us as a more pro-active Concord for Providence. We operate very strict KOS lists and once you are on them it's very hard to come off
Why do we do this - because we believe that the Amarr Empire offers the one true example of civilisation in this lawless galaxy and we seek to protect and extend that civilisation into 0.0. Those pilots who operate peacefully within our region are protected by the CVA regardless of their race with the proviso that they respect the Empire and our no-piracy rules.
If you wish to learn more about the CVA and 'Operation Deliverance' then I would like to point you in the direction of previous CVA declarations because it seems you are woefully lacking in knowledge (I cannot find the link to the original 'Deliverance' foundation thread atm so some more recent announcements will have to do):
CVA History
Building an Amarrian Paradise in 0.0
Operation Deliverance - Back on track
Now, Nez, I don't understand where you dislike of the CVA comes from but I suggest that you stop the GalNet smear campaign and put your money where your mouth is. Come down (or up) and show us exactly how crap we are.
I can assure you you will be provided with a warm Amarrian welcome
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Royaldo
KVA Noble Inc.
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.05 12:05:00 -
[76]
hardin, i think it roots back to when imperial dreams was in cfs really.
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Parallax Error
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 12:12:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/11/2006 02:23:49
Originally by: Gaius Kador
You, a subhuman peon profiteer, are asking assurances from the CVA regarding their divine celestial rights to police this extention of the Amarr Empire, and subsequently their execution of said rights?
Tell you what.
Mail Lord Sidyous and ask him this, send him my regards.
I really really love the self-righteous RP CVA come up with .. as an Amarrian myself.. I do believe we are the master race !! ... its just such a real shame that CVA then go and flush the whole Amarrian Superiority RP down the toilet with the cuddly 'free space' rubbish
Were Gaius a member of the CVA, you might have a point quoting him in this context.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 12:23:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/11/2006 12:24:30
Originally by: Hardin
Nez,
What exactly is your problem with CVA?
Because it seems to me that you are obsessed with us. Over the past month I have seen you flame us in numerous different threads on numerous different occasions - for no apparent reason other than some kind of personal vendetta.
I don't have a problem with CVA. I do believe you are seeing vendettas where there are none and getting far too hung up on my posts.
What I do believe though is that personalities and entities that thrust themselves into the public spotlight of the EVE-O forums should be prepared for a high level of scrutiny... that includes myself. Everything and anything posted on this section of the boards, can and should be challenged for consistency, relevance and/or truthfulness.
Now if you will excuse me, I have a fair bit of reading to do.. tyvm for the links.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:37:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/11/2006 13:41:54
Originally by: Eve Wikipeadia
In the early years PIE Inc provided the bulk of combat pilots and was considered the PvP arm of the CVA - while Imperial Dreams focused more on industry. PIE Inc was heavily involved in official wars vs terrorist organisations however it was Imperial Dreams that took the first step to finding a space in 0.0 for the CVA when it entered the ill-fated CFS (Confederation of Free Stars) alliance (whilst maintaining its place within the CVA).
Originally by: Eve Wikipeadia
Under the auspices of 'Operation Deliverance' the CVA and its allies stepped up anti-pirate activities in the Southern regions of the Amarr Empire bordering the Providence region and also the neighbouring 0.0 systems.
Originally by: Eve Wikipeadia
The roleplay justification for 'Operation Deliverance' as outlined by Hardin - PIE's CEO at the time - was to reassert Amarrian law, to bring an end to the piracy that had plagued these areas, bringing new economic development and prosperity - to the benefit of the Amarrian exchequer. The CVA also stated that it ultimately wanted the Amarrian Empire to 'reclaim' the 0.0 Providence systems under its protection - thereby expanding the Empire.
I have quoted some passages from the EVE Wikipeadia site linked in an earlier postàperhaps CVA would care to answer some questions concerning the RP justification for æfree spaceÆ and æOperation DeliveranceÆ itself?
As I understand it, the purpose of æOperation DeliveranceÆ in providence and therefore the enabling of æfree spaceÆ is driven by the RP justification, which appears to be the extension of the Amarr Empire into the Providence region. And by an extension of the Amarr Empire, you mean a replica of the conditions found in Empire. I.E a heavily policed region abiding by Amarr law and revenue collected to the benefit of the Amarrian Exchequer.
The first question is banal but I find it interestingà how do you RP directing revenue into the Amarrian Exchequer? Do you pay into an alt account and just leave it there? Or do you just use the revenue generated to further fund Operation Deliverance and assume that this would be the will of the Emperor anyhow.?
Going back in history slightly.. what was the RP justification for Imperial Dreams joining the CFS?
If your ultimate goal is to æreclaimÆ the 0.0 providence systems for the Amarrian Empire does that mean you ultimately expect CCP to incorporate Providence into Empire space?
Now here is the important question.. or at least I think so... if your goal is to simply extend Amarrian Rule into Providence as a reflection of the conditions found in Empire Spaceà do you believe that when the æfree spaceÆ term is used in reference to CVAÆs work in Providence it is infact a gross inaccuracy? Or do you believe that Concord controlled Empire Space also falls under the definition of æfree spaceÆ?
Remember there is no vendetta hereà only some questions, which may or may not chose to answer.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:02:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Hardin on 05/11/2006 18:08:23
Originally by: Nez Perces
How do you RP directing revenue into the Amarrian Exchequer? Do you pay into an alt account and just leave it there? Or do you just use the revenue generated to further fund Operation Deliverance and assume that this would be the will of the Emperor anyhow.?
The 'Deliverance' area is not just Providence but the low-sec region bordering it. Increased trade, business and general prosperity means that the authorities make more tax - as this is under Amarr authority it is safe to assume that this benefits the Amarrin exchequer. Before the CVA moved to this area it was a derelict backwater haunted by piratical bands. Now it has a thriving commercial community.
In terms of 'will of the Emperor' well we don't have an Emperor - so that's kind of difficult to answer - however there are organisations such as the Thheology Council and other Amarrian institutions and there has been no indication that they are unhappy with our actions. Indeed we have received rewards from Amarrian Holder families (Mamet 500) for the excellent anti-piracy work that we do - benefiting their trade.
Originally by: Nez Perces
Going back in history slightly.. what was the RP justification for Imperial Dreams joining the CFS?
No justification was needed. Imperial Dreams remained a member of the CVA and continued to provide direct and indirect support to other corporations in the CVA in their ongoing fight against Minmatar terrorism during this period. However, if your want a more in detail explanation then I am sure Aralis can fill you in if you contact him.
Originally by: Nez Perces
If your ultimate goal is to æreclaimÆ the 0.0 providence systems for the Amarrian Empire does that mean you ultimately expect CCP to incorporate Providence into Empire space?
Our ultimate goal is to 'reclaim' ALL 0.0 systems for the Amarr Empire - although that is kind of beyond our capabilities at the moment ;-)
Prior to Operation Deliverance the CVA fought a long campaign against piracy in Sarum Prime. Eventually Concord patrols were increased and it was redesignated as higher sec. We do hope that our 0.0 holdings are eventually recognised as sovereign Amarr territory and incorporated into the Empire.
Originally by: Nez Perces
Now here is the important question.. or at least I think so... if your goal is to simply extend Amarrian Rule into Providence as a reflection of the conditions found in Empire Spaceà do you believe that when the æfree spaceÆ term is used in reference to CVAÆs work in Providence it is infact a gross inaccuracy?
Our space is 'free' in so much as any neutral pilot can come and operate there without being attacked by the resident alliance (us) simply for being there. Nor do we charge people taxes or fees for mining/hunting in our space.
However, we do apply conditions to those who wish to fly around our space - namely that they respect some basic rules
These include respect for the Empire, non-piracy whilst in our space, consulting and seeking permission from us for POS construction and I suppose you could add not macroing to that list now too.
In return we protect the area to the best of our ability. Sometimes very effectively and sometimes with great difficulty depending on the forces challenging us. We do not give safety guarantees to those neutrals who operate under our protection but do our best to ensure their safety.
Whether you consider that 'free-space' or not is up to you. It is not a term we use internally. However because we do not operate NBSI others (including many neutrals who do enjoy our hospitality) do apply that definition to us.
You can make up your own mind... All I will say is that our 'model' has been successful for over two years despite many attempts to derail it. I am not arrogant enough (probably because I am Ni-Kunni) to assume it will last forever but it's performed satisfactorily so far.
In summation
Amarr Victor
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Species 5618
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:08:00 -
[81]
Originally by: WETRAIN
This just in from the Venal area , The Guristas have the fight of theyr lives in the belts nowadays, as the chinese farmers make 1 month old alts sometimes from 3 to 8 of them and train them for a raven and macro npc. As they adressed them with the simple words of "F***ing CHINESE FARMERS" local , from the Guristas they answered with their beat up english "In order To Live ..." as they where feeding theyr children by macro`ing....
My opinion? ******* KILL EM ALL EVERYWHERE EVERYWHERE KILL THE CHINESE NODES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*CENSOR* KILL THE EASTERN EUROPEAN NODES, KILL THEM EVERYWHERE, KILL EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:16:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Hardin
In summation
Amarr Victor
Tyvm for your responses Hardin,
Amarr Victor, indeed.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 00:39:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Nez Perces
Do you think macroers get to setup shop in D2 space or LV space?
Yes. See: Venal.
...errr .. Venal is contested space.. Joshua's Map...
I was referring to space under undisputed control of D2 or LV and thus under NBSI.
Since the map was just updated to show that D2 controls Venal(well MM, but that's a typo, it is D2)...
Venal has a macroer problem, go up there and you can chase my favorite people like Sally007, boslai, sunlixiang, Red/Blue Dragonfly, etc. I don't quite remember what I was initially arguing, but yes, even mega-alliances like D2 have macro problems.
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Krav
Egad Inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 01:42:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Acron Ishtal
As of this posting, any macro users caught in CVA space will be declared KOS and killed without mercy.
Unfortunately a number of corporations have taken to recruiting these players, despite obvious breaches of the EULA and strong indicators of macro behavior. Corporations found to be harboring macro users that operate in our space will be notified of the offending macro user. This will NOT stop us from executing our KOS policy against these players.
Respect to CVA. Best of luck hunting down these vermin.
Krav
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.06 07:12:00 -
[85]
There have been a rash of macro NPCers in Venal.
Its completely impossible to stop them without camping the systems they use all day long. They use an auto-log script. Best you can do is to get a free kill before they address book you and even then they make money.
Its a sad state of affairs.
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