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Falconetta Times of Ancar	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:51:00 - [31] Originally by: Doshu All those that call Dyneon a liar, speak up, but know that SturmGrenadier members are taking your names, and be assured that we will see you in battle. I stand by accusing Dyneon a liar when he claims we were using resources in Outer Ring without assisting in its defence. We used a fraction of the available resources in Outer Ring, and was doing so in full accordance to the treaty signed. We upheld our part of the treaty by defending the RISE border 23/7 scoring hundreds of kills in the process. I think it's so clear that constitutes "help defending RISE territory" that anyone that claims the contrary deserves being called a liar. Or are you claiming there was no treaty in place? Or are you claiming we were not defending the RISE borders? Or exactly what are you trying to say? Go ahead, take my name, but don't do so pretending to be offended just because I pointed out the facts of the case at hand. /Falconetta PS. No idea if you were actually accusing me of lying, but with your post just below mine I assume it was atleast partly directed at me.
Sobic Kurophsky	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:54:00 - [32] We wanted there to be peace. There was an agreement between TOA and RISE, and honestly we wanted to stay on good terms. BUT....... CHON had other ideas. Shivaja was very clear in the fact that they were not interested in "sharing" anything. They left days before the 9-4 outpost debacle. Fighting down in syndicate to keep there player base happy. We could have won that war in CR if corps were'nt freaking cutting and running. TOA aligned themselves with CHON & Yakusa. Yakusa also wasnt very diplomatic after leaving. When they set all NORAD corps blue but wouldnt set SG/BIGAA/REZ to blue???? After a tough loss of CR(After killing three hostile dreads and spending ten's of billions on POS spamming)we werent going to give much confidence to our pilots by bending over backwards for those that were to weak to stay the course. TOA had massive inner turmoil, and most of them were RL friends. I think they simple would not expel certain people from there ranks no matter there record. Or what kind of turmoil they caused with other factions aswell. Yes there was an agreement. If you didnt align directly with CHON I think this would all be very different. But the old NORAD lines continue on and TOA and CHON and Yakuza went with the guys they knew best. Communication is everything in this game. People will betray and leave on a player. But they would never do that, to a friend.
Sobic Kurophsky	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Falconetta Originally by: Doshu All those that call Dyneon a liar, speak up, but know that SturmGrenadier members are taking your names, and be assured that we will see you in battle. I stand by accusing Dyneon a liar when he claims we were using resources in Outer Ring without assisting in its defence. We used a fraction of the available resources in Outer Ring, and was doing so in full accordance to the treaty signed. We upheld our part of the treaty by defending the RISE border 23/7 scoring hundreds of kills in the process. I think it's so clear that constitutes "help defending RISE territory" that anyone that claims the contrary deserves being called a liar. Or are you claiming there was no treaty in place? Or are you claiming we were not defending the RISE borders? Or exactly what are you trying to say? Go ahead, take my name, but don't do so pretending to be offended just because I pointed out the facts of the case at hand. /Falconetta PS. No idea if you were actually accusing me of lying, but with your post just below mine I assume it was atleast partly directed at me. TOA was never the cause of this war. CHON and Yakusa were. You simply picked a side, and your wonderfull Ban Tier didnt help much either with his vile disrespect for SG/BIG/REZ/Etc
Valandril Caldari Eve guardians	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:00:00 - [34] All i can say about this case, is about politics. While RISE are nice, polite, explaining to newbie ppl (i know that after joining some ops), chons are opposite to it. After i engaged inty and frig,(inty managed to run) i get flamed in local by our beloved Rugs about beeing in simple coward. Why ? Because i did not engage Hac + cruiser on gatecamp while i was flying thorax. Also on forum, theyr just flaming, calling ppl liers but nothing constructive.
Arwen Atreides CHON THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:02:00 - [35] I think all the leaders involved know exactly why this conflict has happened, and its not because of the reasons given in the RISE propaganda. If either side wanted peace, this would have been worked out somehow. The fact is, we all just wanted a fight and no diplomacy would have made any difference. RISE has allowed many inferior allies to live and mine in Outer Ring/Synidicate constallations without a whole lot of what Dyneon calls "rent." at the idea of paying rent in 0.0 You don't pay to live in 0.0 with isk, you pay with ships and clones. In that regard, RISE is paying to live in Outer Ring. -
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:41:00 - [36] The arrogance of Ban Tier and LordXL and some member of CHON (Shivaja sanctioned) who insulted RISE are our main drive behind hunting you guys down. There's many pilots in Ronin whom we personally like, but the leaders screwed them over with internal propaganda. Turning friends against each other is nothing to be proud of. Dhan
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 18:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Dhan The arrogance of Ban Tier and LordXL and some member of CHON (Shivaja sanctioned) who insulted RISE are our main drive behind hunting you guys down. Theres more to hunting us down than gathering all your little pet corps together until you have 3x our gang then waiting for us to jump in or waiting for us to go to bed before shooting a POS :) Should give them some praise though. Eve Guardians and Vertigo Coalition have been throwing ships at us for a while now as well as joining your little d5 op yesterday with no recognition in any of the back slapping stuff you've posted - Anyone would think its the SGHQ and REZ show. Nice for them to finally get to kill something, RISE care in the community programme might be doing some good
Gius Adoma Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 21:07:00 - [38] Heh yeah The "We know how to bring down pos's" VC ppl went in like lemmings again and died, well done in boosting our pos's killpoints on the killboard :) Also can rise field 90 ppl 7 days a week? or just 1 day a week? Also this is NPC space is it not? so pos's dont matter that much really = Times of Ancar = < THE R0NIN >
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 23:20:00 - [39] Edited by: LordXL on 05/11/2006 23:22:39 Edited by: LordXL on 05/11/2006 23:21:15 Originally by: Dhan The arrogance of Ban Tier and LordXL and some member of CHON (Shivaja sanctioned) who insulted RISE are our main drive behind hunting you guys down. There's many pilots in Ronin whom we personally like, but the leaders screwed them over with internal propaganda. Turning friends against each other is nothing to be proud of. Dhan my my where to begin... Firstly. The guy that said that stuff about calling the other guy a liar - and you're all going to take our names down or something... Yeah he's a big fat liar and he smells of dog wee. I'm bemused by this bull**** about CHON, TOA and YAK avoiding conflict. During our time in RISE Yak killed virtually everyone non-RISE that tried to enter OR via Syndicate. Yak was a fraction of the size of most of the other bloated 'pvp' corps and our per capita kill rate was multiples higher. At the time you sanctioned and praised us for it. Yak simply didn't want to go to CR. we also didn't want to join any SGHQ gangs after Sobic showed how utterly inept he was. TOA and CHON also out performed all other RISE corps prior to feeling let down but the majority of leeches within the exFA ranks. Around this time Vache took an unhealthy interest in our stuff and developed a slighty alarming facination with me personally. Really, we came to the conclusion we'd rather go and do our own thing without the painfully slow politics, masses of blues, and hipocrasy. We offered all our help continuing to secure the syndicate routes for you but again vache blundered his diplomacy and thus you ended up with some mixed standings from Yak. Sadly for you the bonds between CHON, YAK and TOA go back years and are far stronger than the connection of nessesity that your RISE corps are currently clutching to. I have lost count the number of times I have been approached by members of some of your smaller corps looking for some kind of deal - I'm pleased to say on the whole I have been quite accomodating. How long until your house of cards collapses entirely? So unlike my more honorable collegues I don't wish you fun on the battlefield, nor luck. I wish to destroy your sham of an alliance because its very existence offends me. You've not earned OR. G. Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
Dyneon Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 02:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Gius Adoma Also this is NPC space is it not? so pos's dont matter that much really Interesting. I'm a little confused, though. If POS's don't matter then why did TOA, CHON, etc. refuse to remove them from Outer Ring? If POS's don't matter, then why doesn't RONIN remove their POS's from Outer Ring and end this war...more quickly then us having to remove them. Also, if they don't matter I guess you really don't care that we have destroyed seven of RONIN's POS's to date and put many more into reinforced. If POS's don't matter maybe that explains why you haven't attacked one of ours yet. I mean... it couldn't be the fact that you don't have the firepower or anything like that. Perhaps you could explain these inconsitencies to me? Thanks! ----------------------------------- RISE Minister of Internal Affairs

sableye principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 02:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Arwen Atreides at the idea of paying rent in 0.0 You don't pay to live in 0.0 with isk, you pay with ships and clones. In that regard, RISE is paying to live in Outer Ring. so are yourselfs though arwen Join The Fight With Promo Today
somebody Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 06:04:00 - [42] Edited by: somebody on 06/11/2006 06:04:45 propaganda and lies is only thing RISE can post here trying to make people angry so they say stuff that gets banned as they even petition if u say S.H.I.T in a public channel as getting us banned is only way they will win this conflict this post deserves to be locked
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:43:00 - [43] Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 06/11/2006 08:45:01 I can not speak for the Council or the Diplomacy Staff prior to my accepting my current post. But... I can say that we are no longer the bloated, ineffectual alliance you once knew... I can say that we have removed all those corps who lacked the ability or desire to fight for their allaince mates... I can tell you that the forces that fly the RISE flag today stand together with a unity that was not present before... I can also tell you that neither me nor anyone on my Foreign Affairs team as ever asked RONIN to come to the table nor do we intend to. RISE will continue to dimantle RONIN's ability to wage war against our forces until our enemy losses the will or ability to fight. We will support all those who stand against RONIN and fire on all those who fly with them. RISE has gone through a trial by fire and emerged a stronger more cohesive unit. Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more... RISE 4TW RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 10:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Dyneon Interesting. I'm a little confused, though. If POS's don't matter then why did TOA, CHON, etc. refuse to remove them from Outer Ring? If POS's don't matter, then why doesn't RONIN remove their POS's from Outer Ring and end this war...more quickly then us having to remove them. Also, if they don't matter I guess you really don't care that we have destroyed seven of RONIN's POS's to date and put many more into reinforced. If POS's don't matter maybe that explains why you haven't attacked one of ours yet. I mean... it couldn't be the fact that you don't have the firepower or anything like that. Perhaps you could explain these inconsitencies to me? Thanks! RISE think this war will be over when there are no POS's left for you to shoot while RONIN sleep? lol, I admire your nanvetT if nothing else. You don't seem to understand that POS's aren't at all relevent in a fight where sovereignty is taken by an NPC faction. The importance you place on them is simply indicative of the same greed that led you to jump at the chance to claim xzh and its 10/10 plex and your inability to bother us in any significant way. As for why we haven't attacked any yet. Do you really think shooting a POS is fun? I guess when you lack the ability to do much else without calling in all the help you can get then it's the closest to fun you're gonna get.
Duke Galadrien Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 10:48:00 - [45] Originally by: LordXL Edited by: LordXL on 05/11/2006 23:22:39 Edited by: LordXL on 05/11/2006 23:21:15 Sadly for you the bonds between CHON, YAK and TOA go back years and are far stronger than the connection of nessesity that your RISE corps are currently clutching to. While I won't involve myself in a flamefest, I will say (as you well know) the ties between many Rise corps go back just as many years as those between CHON, TOA, and YAK. Our resolve is there, our morale is high, and the unity of those corps that fly their banner with ours is unquestionable.
Aves Jazz Associates R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 11:35:00 - [46] Indeed, RISE has become more cohesive lately. In my opinion the reason we weren't before when we just formed is that everyone needed to find his/her place in the new alliance. This goal was overshadowed by the many hostiles we had to fight, there was little time to really structure the alliance. We had to fight for survival, or so it felt. Some Corps didn't believe this could be corrected (either by management or theirselves), so they left. That's fine. Obviously we couldn't agree over how the resources in Outer Ring would be divided, so it's come to a war. If CHON/TOA/ YAK didn't see it coming or underestimated us, then it is their problem now. We will have no problem 'fighting' the guerilla wars you love so much. Game on.
Ban Tier Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 13:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Aves Obviously we couldn't agree over how the resources in Outer Ring would be divided, so it's come to a war. If CHON/TOA/ YAK didn't see it coming or underestimated us, then it is their problem now. We will have no problem 'fighting' the guerilla wars you love so much. Game on. Good to see, that at least one of your CEO-guys has a clue what this is all about. And no, we have not the slightest problem with shooting on you guys, cause we really do love our way of fighting. That is the reason why TOA did disassembled most of our POS. We want to have the time to focus on your ships and pods rather then spent hours in boosting POS-shields up. So be proud to have killed some of our POS, we are proud of having still a BS-kill ratio 2:1 in our favour on you guys even after the battle in D5 (was 3:1 before that). And when our POS are gone, your BS will hopefully still be there as targets ... if not, we will make you show up, I promise you will see. Quote: Indeed, RISE has become more cohesive lately. In my opinion the reason we weren't before when we just formed is that everyone needed to find his/her place in the new alliance. Well I agree here too, the problem is, there is not much NORAD left in RISE (check old NORAD killboard on corp basis to see what I mean). So basically you admit, that FA did not show up, because you all where not satisfied with your place in the new alliance. In short: the merger simply failed and now we have core NORAD fighting against core FA with few NORADs left ... I have no problem with that. Make us leave the region or get used to dock or loose ships. We will go for you and no talking can prevent us from doing so. Ban CEO Times of Ancar
ChronoSphere Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 14:55:00 - [48] Interesting on how people brush off the importance of POS'es because this is an "NPC" region. Most likely because people are ignoring two simple facts: 1. OR is not exactly what you call a resource rich region. 2. Every single one of those POS'es were moon mining valuable minerals. We all know war is usually a battle of attrition, especially in EVE. RONIN has lost 7 POS'es, accounting for billions of ISK in assets. RONIN has lost I would imagine almost a billion ISK in day that those POS'es produced in minerals. No matter how it is spun, it is unarguable that RONIN's industrial and money-making ability has taken a siginificant blow. And with every POS of RONIN's that we destroy, another RISE one goes up in its place to better fund our ability to wage war against our enemies. No matter how much RONIN's leaders pontificate, their rank and file know something that is true - they have taken horrendous losses, every day they wake up and hear about another POS destroyed, losses that their fellow pilots have taken in the previous day, and more and more grumbles about the progression in the war. RONIN is fighting a losing battle. It is not a question of if. It is a question of only when will RONIN capitulate. RISE will not tire. RISE will not succumb. RISE will continue each and every day to hunt RONIN down until they have nothing left but their pods and rookie ships until the day that their pilots realise the folly that their leaders have dragged them into and force them to discuss with us the terms for an agreeable peace between both parties. RONIN's pilots know this - they know how badly they have suffered during this conflict, know the inevability of the outcome, know the resolve, the strength and skill of RISE's pilots and leaders, the organization, and the strength of the oiled war machine that RISE has become. It is only a matter of time gentlemen. Only a matter of time. Up to the day that hostilities broke out I was helping CHON/TOA fight off invaders from Art of War in EF-, their home systems, and we fought side by side against common enemies. I helped Taurus and TOA fight off the Goonies during their campaign in OR. We were brothers in arms once. But their leaders decided on a different path. The path of peace is open to you, RONIN pilots, if you only have the courage to make your leaders see reality. This is a futile war, and the longer you engage it in, the close you will become to total destruction, one of those many corporations that are mere shadows of what they were. If you don't want this to happen to you, you know who to contact. See you on the battlefield gentlemen. While your leaders leave much to be desired, the rest of RONIN has fought with honor and discipline. You have earned our respect.
Falryx Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 15:54:00 - [49] Edited by: Falryx on 06/11/2006 15:55:01 Before I respond, I'd like to provide some context to the community at large. Basically with Ior Mader, I crafted the governing charter for RISE. I believe personally that I worked hard to provide the framework for a crazy enterprise to succeed, given the chance to do so. Circumstances weren't with us, however, and we were at war before the luxury of figuring out how to live together was complete. Some people are bitter about this -- and I'm sorry they are. Others are more philosophical about it and have moved on. As a personal note, there are several former leaders of RISE that aren't in it any more -- Guurel, Aikowan, Taurus, SigmaPi, Ior Mader, Nyack, Barin... whom I regret are not with us. They are good people who worked hard but the task before us in forging more than 6 DOZEN people into a cohesive governing force was too frustrating. We too realised this -- and this is why RISE looks different today than it did after the war with YouWhat ended. Onward to some of my comments: Quote: So be proud to have killed some of our POS, we are proud of having still a BS-kill ratio 2:1 in our favour on you guys even after the battle in D5 (was 3:1 before that). You mean, the BS-kill ratio which is on the killboard where you're under-reporting your losses? Sturmgrenadier and Ronin use the same killboard software and have the same campaign start date for our conflict. Interestingly you report only 140 losses and SGHQ -- which is merely a portion of RISE and only copies over those killmails that have SGHQ participants -- shows 162 RONIN kills. Let's try to avoid using killboards as propoganda, shall we? Only the newest, rawest recruits into EVE believe that everyone posts everything onto the killboards. Quote: So basically you admit, that FA did not show up, because you all where not satisfied with your place in the new alliance. An interesting conclusion to come to when the original statement referred to RISE. This is your spin Ban because you were not satisfied with your place in the new alliance. Let's assume for a moment you'll choose to refute my position on killboards. That's fine. Let's talk about the participation of CHON, TOA and YAK in the YW war with our killboard data. War begins 9/9. YAK leaves on 9/13. LordXL participates in 3 kills in XZH, Yak's entire contribution to the Cloud Ring conflict. CHON announces depature on 10/3, effective 10/13. CHON participates in 36 killmails in Cloud Ring in that time, despite being a "key participant" in the conflict. Dozens more killmails are in Syndicate against such threats as Imperial Academy and Center for Advanced Studies. TOA, without Ban Tier, have a long, storied and glorious effort. I have nothing but time and respect for Taurus and the TOA members who stuck it out and fought as long and hard as they did. Quote: In short: the merger simply failed and now we have core NORAD fighting against core FA with few NORADs left ... I have no problem with that. Ban, you'd like to make this about 'core NORAD vs. core FA'. But this is where you miss the mark. You entered into the merger in bad faith. You claimed and supported a democratic government where the participants could disagree with one another and then bring issues to the table to vote. And when the member corps exercised this democracy you touted, you left. The real sound bite is that Ban Tier didn't want to govern with equals he wanted to throw his weight around and "make it so". And when that wasn't possible, he called us the hypocrites and called us the selfish ones and he walked away and proceeded to poison anyone he could against working with people who genuinely committed to a new enterprise. Then, he fomented conflict. In the end, none of it matters. We're at conflict. Yay. GL. HF.
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 17:13:00 - [50] Edited by: vache on 06/11/2006 17:15:05 Originally by: LordXL Around this time Vache took an unhealthy interest in our stuff and developed a slighty alarming facination with me personally. Well, i was fascinated with you. I was undertaking a case study for university into the psychological mindpath of a megalomaniac. You were certainly an interesting student to which my thesis was constructed. I found it particuarly fascinating how your own sense of ill-found accomplisment and achievement seemed to furhter isolate you from the individuals of which a normal society is constituted by pushing you farther into your own kingdom, which you failed to project into this online game. It is my professional opinion that you seek some form of mental help, before you inadvertently do damage to yourself. Thanks for getting my a masters degree. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Vache REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.

LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:18:00 - [51] Edited by: LordXL on 06/11/2006 22:19:03 Originally by: vache Edited by: vache on 06/11/2006 17:15:05 Originally by: LordXL Around this time Vache took an unhealthy interest in our stuff and developed a slighty alarming facination with me personally. Well, i was fascinated with you. I was undertaking a case study for university into the psychological mindpath of a megalomaniac. You were certainly an interesting student to which my thesis was constructed. I found it particuarly fascinating how your own sense of ill-found accomplisment and achievement seemed to furhter isolate you from the individuals of which a normal society is constituted by pushing you farther into your own kingdom, which you failed to project into this online game. It is my professional opinion that you seek some form of mental help, before you inadvertently do damage to yourself. Thanks for getting my a masters degree. HAHAHA... Quite flattering really... Go on... admit it - you think about me in the shower don't you, you cheeky monkey. Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:26:00 - [52] Anyway, Just to disassemble some of this nonsense... Please give up on these feable attempts to drive wedges into non existent *****s. Clearly you think there is some benefit to be driven from focusing on either the leadership of RONIN or Ban and Taurus. The will of the RONIN leadership is completly in-line with and in fact driven by the will of RONINs as a whole. Please give up these pathetic attempts at 'divide and concquor' and focus on the corps and members within your own corps who are already looking to vest their interests in greener pastures. Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
Sgt Jinxed AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:46:00 - [53] Best of luck RISE. Give 'em hell.
Falconetta Times of Ancar	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:22:00 - [54] Originally by: ChronoSphere RONIN's pilots know this - they know how badly they have suffered during this conflict, know the inevability of the outcome, know the resolve, the strength and skill of RISE's pilots and leaders, the organization, and the strength of the oiled war machine that RISE has become. It is only a matter of time gentlemen. Dr Goebbels I presume? Easy there cowboy or you'll end up bruisng yourself from all the chest beating. Class A propaganda there, I wont even bother tearing it down with fact, such a piece must be left in its original form for everyone to laugh at
Kilian II A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:52:00 - [55] So much hatred in here, so many accusations of things that were done or not by people who should be allied after all As i left FA at the time R I S E was founded, i would have never even imagined something like this could happen. Really, we fought together, FA and NORAD, for a long time and against common and powerful enemys, and i remember times when NORAD came to assist us as well as times when we moved up to OR to assist them, last against the goon invasion iirc. And i really thought this merger could help both to come out of the weak position they were in before, but now it looks like that just the opposite happened Just makes me sad to see this stupid civil war evolving now, simply weakening both parts unnecessarily... Well, I m not in the details anymore, living somewhere else for several months now, but i really thank god that he spared it for me to be involved in this weird war, since i have friends on both sides. To all those involved, gl and hf, i hope you can. My sympathies are for REZ though, and will always be. Must be different to fight such a war i guess. I personally think fighting BoB while loosing was more honourable to all then whats going on right now... But as stated above, i dont know details about this conflict and there are for sure points why it had to evolve like it did. Just makes me sad, sad, sad... Fly safe all, and I hope for a soon solution, whatever that will be... Kilian II Ex-REZ, Ex-FA
Duun Suhuy Shadow Of The Light Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:29:00 - [56] As a member of the Vertigo Coalition, I proudly back rise in their Outer Ring efforts. Also, what's this about lemmings? I do believe we have destroyed 2-3 of your POSs in Syndicate. And you seem to ahve dismantled the ones in 0T-AMZ, it it because you got tired of wasting Strontium?
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Duun Suhuy As a member of the Vertigo Coalition, I proudly back rise in their Outer Ring efforts. Also, what's this about lemmings? I do believe we have destroyed 2-3 of your POSs in Syndicate. And you seem to ahve dismantled the ones in 0T-AMZ, it it because you got tired of wasting Strontium? Aye, I belive that we put at least 2 POS's into reinforced mode, then they simply disappeared after about the thrid time. Must have needed them for other systems... Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Borg017 BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.08 03:01:00 - [58] This whole situation came to be because of one person...G. Wake up and smell the coffee TOA and even CHON ffs. I'm afraid the truth is that he is using you all and the good name of NORAD for his own twisted pleasure. We're talking about a guy who was out to divide us from the moment he first came across the thought of leaving RISE. Setting some RISE to blue and others to NBSI neutral? WTF!? Seriously, how can you not see something wrong with that? Our true enemies are laughing at us right now. We're being kept busy like rats in a maze, it's fuggin convoluted. -----------------------------------------------
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.08 03:09:00 - [59] Have to say during our little scuffle in the rings, i'd say CHON was one of the most active corps from RISE. So for you to now turn around and say "while they mined and we died on the frontlines" is complete rubbish. Anyhow goodluck with it, i just hope you get more corps to fight them compared to what you got to fight us.
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 06:40:00 - [60] Same for us, the limited stats we have show CHON with roughly double the kills and loses of the highest Rise corp (so more than double the activity), times of anchor also have more activity than any Rise corp according to A-WAR's data. Very hard, and in fact comical, to believe the claims that they never fought - that's in comparison to other rise corps, at least. [EVE TASK BAR?]



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