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Dyneon
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.04 01:59:00 -
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What would you call someone who lives with you, eats all your food, won't help out around the house and never pays rent?
All signatories to the RISE charter released any and all claims belonging to the former alliances and passed those claims to RISE. Ban Tier (TOA) and Shivaja (CHON), on behalf of their corps, were signatories to the charter establishing RISE as the alliance that claimed Outer Ring. This position is not affected by any long standing residency, past history or the exiting of any corporation from the alliance. CHON and TOA honored and enforced this charter while a part of RISE, but now that they have left they would have people believe that this policy now is unacceptable.
CHON and TOA chose to leave the alliance after a few short weeks of conflict and decided to return to Outer Ring to mine, rat and collect kills in Syndicate while their former alliance mates fought and died protecting the assets that were still at risk in the battle. Once this conflict was resolved and RISE pulled back into Outer Ring, CHON and TOA continued to exploit the resources in Outer Ring and began recruiting other corps who had left RISE to support them in standing against us. It's obvious by their actions that Ban Tier and Shavaja were looking for a fight from the day they pulled out of RISE. They want to harvest all the best moon minerals and strip mine the best belts and give nothing back.
No alliance would tolerate this behavior and we certainly will not accept it from fair weather friends who only want to mooch off our rescources and will run at the first sign of trouble, as they did during the Cloud Ring conflict.
So... For the reasons above and many others, RISE has been at war with CHON, Times of Ancar, Yakuza Corp, Lonewolf Mining and Gallente Kombinat. Since the start of hostilities, RISE has systematically dismantled RONIN POSs that were being used as Mining and Bounty Hunting platforms. As of today RONIN has not taken down a single RISE POS.
We did not start this fight, but we intend to finish it
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RISE Minister of Internal Affairs
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MaxFareday
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:31:00 -
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Go RISE!
Being ex-NORAD i say, about time an alliance stepped up and took control of the situation going on in Outer Ring. Chon and TOA have good pvp'ers, but if they are not willing to help thier alliance in time of need you guys are better off witout them.
I could say so many instances of TOA / CHON furthing thier personal goals over NORAD ...but i won't.
Take control of Outer Ring RISE and build up a strong alliance willing to help each other no matter what the situation becomes.
errrr i mean KEEP control, since looks like you already have it 
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Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:59:00 -
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goodluck with your reformation when your strong enough we will return
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Siaku
Caldari
Crimson Blade
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:19:00 -
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It is definitely great to see that out of the anarchy in the Outer Ring region that a force of Order could "rise" to the occasion to help bring prosperity for everyone rather than for their own personal interests. May you prosper from these dark times.
"Shadows admist there we shall strike with a great vengence for profits...." |
Plexreticle
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:43:00 -
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As long as you pwn Taurus 595 and his girlfriend Aikowan I say RISE ftw.
Now I understand why Taurus 595 would let Fatballs run amok in Outer Ring when NORAD was there. Taurus probably gave him all the loot he owed everybody else. Why Ban Tier lets these losers stay in his corp is a mystery to me. Then fight along side Fatballs and his cronies. Pure class.
RISE - Let my crew in OR and I guarantee TOA killmails. Except for Aikowan, she never undocks.
revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
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LTD THOR
Sensus Numinis
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.04 06:45:00 -
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why should some backbones of ex-norad attack RISE now after they¦d left? only out of boredom? i dont think so, there must be a bigger reason, or?
My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;) |
Hull Cleaver
Caldari
Mala Fide Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Hull Cleaver on 04/11/2006 07:54:26
My corp participated along side RISE during conflicts with YouWhat and Toxin. As scouts in the direct hire of Sturmgrenadier, I witnessed first hand the adversion to fight displayed by Chon, Toa & LoneWolf Mining.
While underdogs within the Rise alliance risked corp and personal assets alike to stave of the encrouching forces, the afore mentioned groups continued to hold back in the rear and drain resources from local astroid belts and npc pirates. They refused timely reponses when called upon for support and were more concerned with getting their industrial ships beyond the edges of the battle.
Most recently, I have observed large ships operated by Chon members that were nowhere to be seen during the war.
Their self-centered, self preserving attitudes will only find them shunned by the community and their greed will consume them.
I personally believe in the movement RISE has begun and applaud the direction they continue to follow. I commend the members of Rez, Sturmgrenadier and Promo for their vigilant stance in the system. Your leaders and administrators are showing their strength and I'll offer my support however you may need it.
Commander HullCleaver
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EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.04 10:59:00 -
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Isn't there a seven page thread about this idiocy already?
Make all the threads you like, you can't move people out of a system with NPC stations. And you can 'claim' whatever you like, I claim Jita, I can't do jack about stopping people coming in and doing whatever they like though. Neither can you.
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ColWolfe
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Posted - 2006.11.04 12:07:00 -
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English,
You can camp them out of their own systems and destroy their POSs just fine :)
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 12:13:00 -
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Well, farfrom being involved in this, I'm still putting my money on CHON for winning in the long run.
Old blog |
LordXL
Yakuza Corp
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.11.04 12:38:00 -
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What a load of bull****.
Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused... |
Kmacross
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.04 18:00:00 -
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letz see how the situation in outer ring will be in like a month or 2 ;)
"no guts, no glory" |
whohuhwhat
Gallente
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.04 18:50:00 -
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I agree with LordXL
whohuhwhat
Keeper of the herd
Still somewhat confused
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Schneiderr
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.04 19:11:00 -
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Dyneon, stop telling lies.. k? thx
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Dhan
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.04 19:26:00 -
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I'd like to congratulate all RISE pilots who have pulled through the previous war.
- RISE has managed to restructure - no more 53 corps each with their own opinion being shouted out loud.
- We're now able to make quick decisions - no more 2 week vote etc. We want something done, theres members online who can make the executive decision. We've been held back by politics for too long.
- And of course, we've grown stronger, better organized, and better equipped.
On the warfront, the leeches got wtfpwned today. Both their fleet and their large pos. During Euro timezone (in US tz we roxorz anything that moves).
Props for you guys for trying to confront us. Hope there are more occasions where you actually engage us. I've been getting quite tired of seeing your "fleet" come within 1-2 jumps out, then turn back around for the 15+ jumps.
Pls dont let history repeat itself. This time, bring out your last cruiser you have (as RISE has in CR). Your performance in CR (runnign away tail between legs) left much to be desired.
Dhan
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Rugs
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Posted - 2006.11.04 20:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Dhan
I'd like to congratulate all RISE pilots who have pulled through the previous war.
- RISE has managed to restructure - no more 53 corps each with their own opinion being shouted out loud.
- We're now able to make quick decisions - no more 2 week vote etc. We want something done, theres members online who can make the executive decision. We've been held back by politics for too long.
- And of course, we've grown stronger, better organized, and better equipped.
On the warfront, the leeches got wtfpwned today. Both their fleet and their large pos. During Euro timezone (in US tz we roxorz anything that moves).
Props for you guys for trying to confront us. Hope there are more occasions where you actually engage us. I've been getting quite tired of seeing your "fleet" come within 1-2 jumps out, then turn back around for the 15+ jumps.
Pls dont let history repeat itself. This time, bring out your last cruiser you have (as RISE has in CR). Your performance in CR (runnign away tail between legs) left much to be desired.
Dhan
You obviously changed a lot Dhan, some kind of hatred vs YAK/CHON/TOA, you know very well what we are capable of and let's not go to kills and engagements cause you know how that will turn out.
You also know that none of us ran away, they just got tired of it, again you know why, there's 1000 other members that you can complain about including most of your corp members as i only saw a handful of them, still the same guys out there btw.
Btw we have sat in 4c on several occasions without you guys leaving the station, then left as there wasn't any action around, we don't make a fuss about it though.
"in US tz we roxorz anything that moves" <- what's that? come on dude :P
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V0rador
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 21:58:00 -
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This is a good choice Dyneon keep it that way.
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Kaylis Tzu
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.04 22:22:00 -
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RISE does not doubt that RONIN has a lot of good pilots and that they will fight to the death. We fought along side many of them (while they were willing to fight) and have a great respect for their FC's. They have continued to fight even when it is obvious that they are outnumbered and outgunned during all but a 4 hour window when RISE and RONIN are evenly matched.
We have and will continue to hit significant targets where ever we find them. Today we delt RONIN a significant blow that by all accounts cost RONIN over 3 billion in ships, gear and a very strategic Large POS. We did this during their primetime with less than half our numbers online.
I respect their persistence but if the situation does not change the outlook doesn't look good for RONIN's young alliance. How long can an alliance keep losing their POS's on lucrative moons while being denied access to resources and NPC bounties except with a large security detail and not have an exodus of members on your hands?
We did not want this conflict and stand ready to settle it if/when RONIN will come to the table with a reasonable offer that is mutually beneficial to both parties.
RISE Senior Diplomat
It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.
Douglas MacArthur |
Raven Fury
Bird of Prey
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Posted - 2006.11.04 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dyneon
What would you call someone who lives with you, eats all your food, won't help out around the house and never pays rent?
My sister? |
Schneiderr
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylis Tzu
We did not want this conflict and stand ready to settle it if/when RONIN will come to the table with a reasonable offer that is mutually beneficial to both parties.
you guys canceled at least one agreement with one of the ronin corps (before ronin iga made it into the game) for the use of outer ring space and its ressources... not even 2 weeks after the agreement was made. dont tell ronin now that you didnt know what might happen and that you didnt want this war.
anyways, have fun all
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Ban Tier
Times of Ancar
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: LTD THOR
why should some backbones of ex-norad attack RISE now after they¦d left? only out of boredom? i dont think so, there must be a bigger reason, or?
Well Thor what shall I say ? Did you believe a single word of this crap ?
Well I guess not and so no need to give big comments here.
Dear RISE, fighting for space is honorable - petitioning it is cowards. I am sure 98% of comunity here knows despite of your lies, who are the fighter and who the petitioner ...
Cu in space (I hope at least)
Ban
CEO Times of Ancar |
Ban Tier
Times of Ancar
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylis Tzu
... gear and a very strategic Large POS.
In NPC space, whuaaaaaa if you have no clue of this game, press the quit button.
And please stop calling us to the negogiation table, you have gotten our answer and one lost battle will not change it ... but maybe your pilots are already tired to watch their backs ... if so, just surrender and leave space.
We might give you a 72h cease fire to do it, but after this lies in public, I can not promise.
So pls, stop begging for talks, continue the fight, we enjoy it even if we loose some ISK on day ... but whatfor are BS made other then to fight ?
Ban
CEO Times of Ancar |
sableye
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:04:00 -
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ban I don'nt remember you up in xzh on the front lines so you can'nt comment on what on there, in fact you had desserted your corp too during these times.
You guys can preach lack of participation as much as you want but at end of day where were yakuzza, t.o.a and chon during the fighting they were rarely seen on front lines thats for sure.
Rise still has some norad corps and yout hink they'd stay if they thought we had done wrong I myself had been in norad on and off for years since orginal norad I personally never came back to cloud or outer ring to look for conflict with you guys buts thats where we are at today but I do feel if you guys had showed up in cloud we would never have lost it, t.o.a I can excuse they lost alot of pilots and there ceo(ban tier) but what about chon and yakuza. There was alot of other corps who never particpated I will grant you that they are gone now but where were your corps during the fight.
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Korah
Caldari
Heavy Metal Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:49:00 -
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Aren't you the guy who quit CEO-ship of TOA and ran off to some other alliance in order to strongarm his members to leave the RISE alliance?
Do you do anything more than yapp off these days? A few months back forums is all you frequented. Have you grown balls now that you're back in npc owned space? I know, conquerable spece is hard, you need to do pew-pew to stay there. 
Originally by: Ban Tier
we enjoy it even if we loose some ISK on day ... but whatfor are BS made other then to fight ?
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Sobic Kurophsky
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Posted - 2006.11.05 05:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sobic Kurophsky on 05/11/2006 05:11:28
Edited by: Sobic Kurophsky on 05/11/2006 05:09:00
I was told about NORAD tactics like "Weaken them with t1 cruisers and then hitem with the good stuff" Which I saw at least four of Kmacross's gangs get absolutely slaughtered by Toxin using those tactics.
And I cant remember one time when Ban Tier was either constructively trying to help or directly helping in FC duties EVER.
You clearly stated in our own forums that you were taking your ball and going home like some kind of five year old.
So there are definitly some NORAD I dont miss, But some were pretty cool guys. I enjoy the fight, it is just a game after all.
This is a finishing fire for RISE, Your just giving us a forum and a field to refine the great team that we have and we will only get better at EVE as this war continues.
Battle on...
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Soulie
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.05 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Soulie on 05/11/2006 05:22:59
This is turning into a show :)
Now; we saw you in space allright Ban. It was a good fight on both sides today.
I'd strongly recomend, to RISE and to The RONIN that; we keep it off the level of smacking or throwing ****. Most of us know each other from here or there; no need for insults or name callings.
If you do not wish to talk with RISE; fine. This was the first time we have invited you to talks after war broke out.
We have no desire to go down to the level that has been set by THE RONIN( i.e smack) and we will not go there. The time I was in nrd I was tought to not do it...
I wish you all the best and good fights; it is a game. Enjoy :)
Soulie
p.s and those of you not involved; yapyapyap about stuff ya know nuttin' about:)
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Mael Duakal
Gallente
Interlunium Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 09:41:00 -
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Good luck to R I S E...
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Quarantine
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.11.05 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: EnglishBob
Make all the threads you like, you can't move people out of a system with NPC stations. And you can 'claim' whatever you like, I claim Jita, I can't do jack about stopping people coming in and doing whatever they like though. Neither can you.
While you are generally right, Outer Ring's best systems (plex/crok) are a good deal away from any ORE stations, and require POS to be properly exploited. And if one entity does have them and succesfully removes all hostile POS, that's as close as it gets to claiming NPC space I'd say.
Good luck to both Ronin and Rise anyway.
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Falconetta
Times of Ancar
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:08:00 -
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Interesting post Dyneon, good to see you have trained "progaganda spin" to lvl 3 ;)
Now, what would you call someone who tell lies about you, dishonours treaties and fail to see the contribution made to its safety?
To make sense out of all this I will post the treaty signed between RISE and Times of Ancar upon leaving the alliance.
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a) RISE and TOA will keep +10 standing
b) TOA is allowed to live and operate within RISE space, but specially within the constellations Crown, QS-FVH, 6-V49K and the system D5IW-F, where TOA operates POS.
c) TOA will help to keep the under b named constellations clear of hostile forces.
d) TOA may help in other RISE-operations within RISE space (including capital support), but it remains the decision of TOA and its pilots in which operations.
e) TOA wants to have access to a common intel / military channel. This can be RISE-MILITARY, but it¦s also ok to create a special channel for this.
This is the treaty that RISE agreed upon freely and was signed by both parties. As you can see it involved mutual benefits especially in terms of us aiding RISE with defence.
Originally by: Dyneon
CHON and TOA honored and enforced this (RISE) charter while a part of RISE, but now that they have left they would have people believe that this policy now is unacceptable.
CHON nor TOA cared at all about the inner workings of RISE as long as you lived up to your part of the treaty signed between us after we left.
Originally by: Dyneon
CHON and TOA chose to leave the alliance after a few short weeks of conflict and decided to return to Outer Ring to mine, rat and collect kills in Syndicate...
Perfectly in accordance to our treaty, yes. Even if I must say we (TOA) never mined in Outer Ring at all, we spent 99% of our time protecting the RISE borders in Syndicate.
And as has been said before, the reason we left had nothing to do with the coflict in Cloud Ring, it was simply that we didn't see eye to eye on most issues in the alliance. Something that must have been clear to you as well.
Originally by: Dyneon
They want to harvest all the best moon minerals and strip mine the best belts and give nothing back.
Read the treaty again, we gave plenty back. We fought off hostiles gangs heading for 4C on a daily basis. We quite literally killed hundreds of ships defending the RISE borders. But since you weren't there to defend it yourself this is of course something you didn't see and probably found difficult to appreciate because of it. No requests of capital ships was ever made so that part of the treaty can not be said to have been broken. Had you asked we would have complied since we live up to treaties signed.
Originally by: Dyneon
No alliance would tolerate this behavior and we certainly will not accept it from fair weather friends who only want to mooch off our rescources and will run at the first sign of trouble, as they did during the Cloud Ring conflict.
Don't sign a treaty you don't intend to live up to. And like said before, the Cloud Ring conflict was merely a catalyst, not the reason, for leaving.
In Outer Ring there must be hundreds if not thousands of moons. Instead of probing your own you threw greedy looks at the ones we had in place for months if not years. Rather than look for your own resources you rather dishonoured yourself and unilaterally cancelled our treaty before the ink was dry.
Originally by: Dyneon
We did not start this fight, but we intend to finish it
Actually you did start the fight by not living up to your end of the treaty.
I enjoy the fight to the fullest, hope you do as well.
Falconetta
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Doshu
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Doshu on 05/11/2006 15:44:53
There are many brave pilots in The RONIN, few I would like to call friends on my part. Few friends, that fought along side us in Cloud Ring, without the help of their corporations, stood by us alone.
I have one advice for The RONIN. You may smack/trash talk about it, you may flame it, you may write sh#t about myself, my corporation and my alliance, it does not matter; leave Outer Ring, because we will not. We claim Outer Ring, we want peace in Outer Ring, but that does not mean we will stand by and watch RISE or non-RISE corporations pillage and r@pe its resources, without helping its defenses.
All those that call Dyneon a liar, speak up, but know that SturmGrenadier members are taking your names, and be assured that we will see you in battle. Whether we win or lose, we will give you hell for it. However, either way, do not expect us to ever respond to you again.
SturmGrenadier
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