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Dyneon Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.04 01:59:00 - [1] What would you call someone who lives with you, eats all your food, won't help out around the house and never pays rent? All signatories to the RISE charter released any and all claims belonging to the former alliances and passed those claims to RISE. Ban Tier (TOA) and Shivaja (CHON), on behalf of their corps, were signatories to the charter establishing RISE as the alliance that claimed Outer Ring. This position is not affected by any long standing residency, past history or the exiting of any corporation from the alliance. CHON and TOA honored and enforced this charter while a part of RISE, but now that they have left they would have people believe that this policy now is unacceptable. CHON and TOA chose to leave the alliance after a few short weeks of conflict and decided to return to Outer Ring to mine, rat and collect kills in Syndicate while their former alliance mates fought and died protecting the assets that were still at risk in the battle. Once this conflict was resolved and RISE pulled back into Outer Ring, CHON and TOA continued to exploit the resources in Outer Ring and began recruiting other corps who had left RISE to support them in standing against us. It's obvious by their actions that Ban Tier and Shavaja were looking for a fight from the day they pulled out of RISE. They want to harvest all the best moon minerals and strip mine the best belts and give nothing back. No alliance would tolerate this behavior and we certainly will not accept it from fair weather friends who only want to mooch off our rescources and will run at the first sign of trouble, as they did during the Cloud Ring conflict. So... For the reasons above and many others, RISE has been at war with CHON, Times of Ancar, Yakuza Corp, Lonewolf Mining and Gallente Kombinat. Since the start of hostilities, RISE has systematically dismantled RONIN POSs that were being used as Mining and Bounty Hunting platforms. As of today RONIN has not taken down a single RISE POS. We did not start this fight, but we intend to finish it ----------------------------------- RISE Minister of Internal Affairs
MaxFareday Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2006.11.04 02:31:00 - [2] Go RISE! Being ex-NORAD i say, about time an alliance stepped up and took control of the situation going on in Outer Ring. Chon and TOA have good pvp'ers, but if they are not willing to help thier alliance in time of need you guys are better off witout them. I could say so many instances of TOA / CHON furthing thier personal goals over NORAD ...but i won't. Take control of Outer Ring RISE and build up a strong alliance willing to help each other no matter what the situation becomes. errrr i mean KEEP control, since looks like you already have it
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.04 02:59:00 - [3] goodluck with your reformation when your strong enough we will return
Siaku Caldari Crimson Blade	Posted - 2006.11.04 03:19:00 - [4] It is definitely great to see that out of the anarchy in the Outer Ring region that a force of Order could "rise" to the occasion to help bring prosperity for everyone rather than for their own personal interests. May you prosper from these dark times. "Shadows admist there we shall strike with a great vengence for profits...."
Plexreticle	Posted - 2006.11.04 03:43:00 - [5] As long as you pwn Taurus 595 and his girlfriend Aikowan I say RISE ftw. Now I understand why Taurus 595 would let Fatballs run amok in Outer Ring when NORAD was there. Taurus probably gave him all the loot he owed everybody else. Why Ban Tier lets these losers stay in his corp is a mystery to me. Then fight along side Fatballs and his cronies. Pure class. RISE - Let my crew in OR and I guarantee TOA killmails. Except for Aikowan, she never undocks. revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
LTD THOR Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.11.04 06:45:00 - [6] why should some backbones of ex-norad attack RISE now after they¦d left? only out of boredom? i dont think so, there must be a bigger reason, or? My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.11.04 07:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Hull Cleaver on 04/11/2006 07:54:26 My corp participated along side RISE during conflicts with YouWhat and Toxin. As scouts in the direct hire of Sturmgrenadier, I witnessed first hand the adversion to fight displayed by Chon, Toa & LoneWolf Mining. While underdogs within the Rise alliance risked corp and personal assets alike to stave of the encrouching forces, the afore mentioned groups continued to hold back in the rear and drain resources from local astroid belts and npc pirates. They refused timely reponses when called upon for support and were more concerned with getting their industrial ships beyond the edges of the battle. Most recently, I have observed large ships operated by Chon members that were nowhere to be seen during the war. Their self-centered, self preserving attitudes will only find them shunned by the community and their greed will consume them. I personally believe in the movement RISE has begun and applaud the direction they continue to follow. I commend the members of Rez, Sturmgrenadier and Promo for their vigilant stance in the system. Your leaders and administrators are showing their strength and I'll offer my support however you may need it. Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:59:00 - [8] Isn't there a seven page thread about this idiocy already? Make all the threads you like, you can't move people out of a system with NPC stations. And you can 'claim' whatever you like, I claim Jita, I can't do jack about stopping people coming in and doing whatever they like though. Neither can you. ------------------
ColWolfe	Posted - 2006.11.04 12:07:00 - [9] English, You can camp them out of their own systems and destroy their POSs just fine :)
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.04 12:13:00 - [10] Well, farfrom being involved in this, I'm still putting my money on CHON for winning in the long run. Old blog
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.04 12:38:00 - [11] What a load of bull****. Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
Kmacross Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.04 18:00:00 - [12] letz see how the situation in outer ring will be in like a month or 2 ;) "no guts, no glory"
whohuhwhat Gallente principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.04 18:50:00 - [13] I agree with LordXL whohuhwhat Keeper of the herd Still somewhat confused
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.04 19:11:00 - [14] Dyneon, stop telling lies.. k? thx
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.04 19:26:00 - [15] I'd like to congratulate all RISE pilots who have pulled through the previous war. - RISE has managed to restructure - no more 53 corps each with their own opinion being shouted out loud. - We're now able to make quick decisions - no more 2 week vote etc. We want something done, theres members online who can make the executive decision. We've been held back by politics for too long. - And of course, we've grown stronger, better organized, and better equipped. On the warfront, the leeches got wtfpwned today. Both their fleet and their large pos. During Euro timezone (in US tz we roxorz anything that moves). Props for you guys for trying to confront us. Hope there are more occasions where you actually engage us. I've been getting quite tired of seeing your "fleet" come within 1-2 jumps out, then turn back around for the 15+ jumps. Pls dont let history repeat itself. This time, bring out your last cruiser you have (as RISE has in CR). Your performance in CR (runnign away tail between legs) left much to be desired. Dhan
Rugs	Posted - 2006.11.04 20:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Dhan I'd like to congratulate all RISE pilots who have pulled through the previous war. - RISE has managed to restructure - no more 53 corps each with their own opinion being shouted out loud. - We're now able to make quick decisions - no more 2 week vote etc. We want something done, theres members online who can make the executive decision. We've been held back by politics for too long. - And of course, we've grown stronger, better organized, and better equipped. On the warfront, the leeches got wtfpwned today. Both their fleet and their large pos. During Euro timezone (in US tz we roxorz anything that moves). Props for you guys for trying to confront us. Hope there are more occasions where you actually engage us. I've been getting quite tired of seeing your "fleet" come within 1-2 jumps out, then turn back around for the 15+ jumps. Pls dont let history repeat itself. This time, bring out your last cruiser you have (as RISE has in CR). Your performance in CR (runnign away tail between legs) left much to be desired. Dhan You obviously changed a lot Dhan, some kind of hatred vs YAK/CHON/TOA, you know very well what we are capable of and let's not go to kills and engagements cause you know how that will turn out. You also know that none of us ran away, they just got tired of it, again you know why, there's 1000 other members that you can complain about including most of your corp members as i only saw a handful of them, still the same guys out there btw. Btw we have sat in 4c on several occasions without you guys leaving the station, then left as there wasn't any action around, we don't make a fuss about it though. "in US tz we roxorz anything that moves" <- what's that? come on dude :P
V0rador Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.04 21:58:00 - [17] This is a good choice Dyneon keep it that way.
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.04 22:22:00 - [18] RISE does not doubt that RONIN has a lot of good pilots and that they will fight to the death. We fought along side many of them (while they were willing to fight) and have a great respect for their FC's. They have continued to fight even when it is obvious that they are outnumbered and outgunned during all but a 4 hour window when RISE and RONIN are evenly matched. We have and will continue to hit significant targets where ever we find them. Today we delt RONIN a significant blow that by all accounts cost RONIN over 3 billion in ships, gear and a very strategic Large POS. We did this during their primetime with less than half our numbers online. I respect their persistence but if the situation does not change the outlook doesn't look good for RONIN's young alliance. How long can an alliance keep losing their POS's on lucrative moons while being denied access to resources and NPC bounties except with a large security detail and not have an exodus of members on your hands? We did not want this conflict and stand ready to settle it if/when RONIN will come to the table with a reasonable offer that is mutually beneficial to both parties. RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Raven Fury Bird of Prey	Posted - 2006.11.04 23:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Dyneon What would you call someone who lives with you, eats all your food, won't help out around the house and never pays rent? My sister?
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.05 00:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Kaylis Tzu We did not want this conflict and stand ready to settle it if/when RONIN will come to the table with a reasonable offer that is mutually beneficial to both parties. you guys canceled at least one agreement with one of the ronin corps (before ronin iga made it into the game) for the use of outer ring space and its ressources... not even 2 weeks after the agreement was made. dont tell ronin now that you didnt know what might happen and that you didnt want this war. anyways, have fun all
Ban Tier Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 01:01:00 - [21] Originally by: LTD THOR why should some backbones of ex-norad attack RISE now after they¦d left? only out of boredom? i dont think so, there must be a bigger reason, or? Well Thor what shall I say ? Did you believe a single word of this crap ? Well I guess not and so no need to give big comments here. Dear RISE, fighting for space is honorable - petitioning it is cowards. I am sure 98% of comunity here knows despite of your lies, who are the fighter and who the petitioner ... Cu in space (I hope at least) Ban CEO Times of Ancar
Ban Tier Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 01:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Kaylis Tzu ... gear and a very strategic Large POS. In NPC space, whuaaaaaa if you have no clue of this game, press the quit button. And please stop calling us to the negogiation table, you have gotten our answer and one lost battle will not change it ... but maybe your pilots are already tired to watch their backs ... if so, just surrender and leave space. We might give you a 72h cease fire to do it, but after this lies in public, I can not promise. So pls, stop begging for talks, continue the fight, we enjoy it even if we loose some ISK on day ... but whatfor are BS made other then to fight ? Ban CEO Times of Ancar
sableye principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 02:04:00 - [23] ban I don'nt remember you up in xzh on the front lines so you can'nt comment on what on there, in fact you had desserted your corp too during these times. You guys can preach lack of participation as much as you want but at end of day where were yakuzza, t.o.a and chon during the fighting they were rarely seen on front lines thats for sure. Rise still has some norad corps and yout hink they'd stay if they thought we had done wrong I myself had been in norad on and off for years since orginal norad I personally never came back to cloud or outer ring to look for conflict with you guys buts thats where we are at today but I do feel if you guys had showed up in cloud we would never have lost it, t.o.a I can excuse they lost alot of pilots and there ceo(ban tier) but what about chon and yakuza. There was alot of other corps who never particpated I will grant you that they are gone now but where were your corps during the fight.
Korah Caldari Heavy Metal Mining and Manufacturing	Posted - 2006.11.05 02:49:00 - [24] Aren't you the guy who quit CEO-ship of TOA and ran off to some other alliance in order to strongarm his members to leave the RISE alliance? Do you do anything more than yapp off these days? A few months back forums is all you frequented. Have you grown balls now that you're back in npc owned space? I know, conquerable spece is hard, you need to do pew-pew to stay there. Originally by: Ban Tier we enjoy it even if we loose some ISK on day ... but whatfor are BS made other then to fight ?
Sobic Kurophsky	Posted - 2006.11.05 05:06:00 - [25] Edited by: Sobic Kurophsky on 05/11/2006 05:11:28 Edited by: Sobic Kurophsky on 05/11/2006 05:09:00 I was told about NORAD tactics like "Weaken them with t1 cruisers and then hitem with the good stuff" Which I saw at least four of Kmacross's gangs get absolutely slaughtered by Toxin using those tactics. And I cant remember one time when Ban Tier was either constructively trying to help or directly helping in FC duties EVER. You clearly stated in our own forums that you were taking your ball and going home like some kind of five year old. So there are definitly some NORAD I dont miss, But some were pretty cool guys. I enjoy the fight, it is just a game after all. This is a finishing fire for RISE, Your just giving us a forum and a field to refine the great team that we have and we will only get better at EVE as this war continues. Battle on...
Soulie principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 05:18:00 - [26] Edited by: Soulie on 05/11/2006 05:22:59 This is turning into a show :) Now; we saw you in space allright Ban. It was a good fight on both sides today. I'd strongly recomend, to RISE and to The RONIN that; we keep it off the level of smacking or throwing ****. Most of us know each other from here or there; no need for insults or name callings. If you do not wish to talk with RISE; fine. This was the first time we have invited you to talks after war broke out. We have no desire to go down to the level that has been set by THE RONIN( i.e smack) and we will not go there. The time I was in nrd I was tought to not do it... I wish you all the best and good fights; it is a game. Enjoy :) Soulie p.s and those of you not involved; yapyapyap about stuff ya know nuttin' about:)
Mael Duakal Gallente Interlunium Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.05 09:41:00 - [27] Good luck to R I S E...
Quarantine Viziam	Posted - 2006.11.05 12:10:00 - [28] Originally by: EnglishBob Make all the threads you like, you can't move people out of a system with NPC stations. And you can 'claim' whatever you like, I claim Jita, I can't do jack about stopping people coming in and doing whatever they like though. Neither can you. While you are generally right, Outer Ring's best systems (plex/crok) are a good deal away from any ORE stations, and require POS to be properly exploited. And if one entity does have them and succesfully removes all hostile POS, that's as close as it gets to claiming NPC space I'd say. Good luck to both Ronin and Rise anyway.
Falconetta Times of Ancar	Posted - 2006.11.05 13:08:00 - [29] Interesting post Dyneon, good to see you have trained "progaganda spin" to lvl 3 ;) Now, what would you call someone who tell lies about you, dishonours treaties and fail to see the contribution made to its safety? To make sense out of all this I will post the treaty signed between RISE and Times of Ancar upon leaving the alliance. Quote: a) RISE and TOA will keep +10 standing b) TOA is allowed to live and operate within RISE space, but specially within the constellations Crown, QS-FVH, 6-V49K and the system D5IW-F, where TOA operates POS. c) TOA will help to keep the under b named constellations clear of hostile forces. d) TOA may help in other RISE-operations within RISE space (including capital support), but it remains the decision of TOA and its pilots in which operations. e) TOA wants to have access to a common intel / military channel. This can be RISE-MILITARY, but it¦s also ok to create a special channel for this. This is the treaty that RISE agreed upon freely and was signed by both parties. As you can see it involved mutual benefits especially in terms of us aiding RISE with defence. Originally by: Dyneon CHON and TOA honored and enforced this (RISE) charter while a part of RISE, but now that they have left they would have people believe that this policy now is unacceptable. CHON nor TOA cared at all about the inner workings of RISE as long as you lived up to your part of the treaty signed between us after we left. Originally by: Dyneon CHON and TOA chose to leave the alliance after a few short weeks of conflict and decided to return to Outer Ring to mine, rat and collect kills in Syndicate... Perfectly in accordance to our treaty, yes. Even if I must say we (TOA) never mined in Outer Ring at all, we spent 99% of our time protecting the RISE borders in Syndicate. And as has been said before, the reason we left had nothing to do with the coflict in Cloud Ring, it was simply that we didn't see eye to eye on most issues in the alliance. Something that must have been clear to you as well. Originally by: Dyneon They want to harvest all the best moon minerals and strip mine the best belts and give nothing back. Read the treaty again, we gave plenty back. We fought off hostiles gangs heading for 4C on a daily basis. We quite literally killed hundreds of ships defending the RISE borders. But since you weren't there to defend it yourself this is of course something you didn't see and probably found difficult to appreciate because of it. No requests of capital ships was ever made so that part of the treaty can not be said to have been broken. Had you asked we would have complied since we live up to treaties signed. Originally by: Dyneon No alliance would tolerate this behavior and we certainly will not accept it from fair weather friends who only want to mooch off our rescources and will run at the first sign of trouble, as they did during the Cloud Ring conflict. Don't sign a treaty you don't intend to live up to. And like said before, the Cloud Ring conflict was merely a catalyst, not the reason, for leaving. In Outer Ring there must be hundreds if not thousands of moons. Instead of probing your own you threw greedy looks at the ones we had in place for months if not years. Rather than look for your own resources you rather dishonoured yourself and unilaterally cancelled our treaty before the ink was dry. Originally by: Dyneon We did not start this fight, but we intend to finish it Actually you did start the fight by not living up to your end of the treaty. I enjoy the fight to the fullest, hope you do as well. Falconetta
Doshu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:35:00 - [30] Edited by: Doshu on 05/11/2006 15:44:53 There are many brave pilots in The RONIN, few I would like to call friends on my part. Few friends, that fought along side us in Cloud Ring, without the help of their corporations, stood by us alone. I have one advice for The RONIN. You may smack/trash talk about it, you may flame it, you may write sh#t about myself, my corporation and my alliance, it does not matter; leave Outer Ring, because we will not. We claim Outer Ring, we want peace in Outer Ring, but that does not mean we will stand by and watch RISE or non-RISE corporations pillage and r@pe its resources, without helping its defenses. All those that call Dyneon a liar, speak up, but know that SturmGrenadier members are taking your names, and be assured that we will see you in battle. Whether we win or lose, we will give you hell for it. However, either way, do not expect us to ever respond to you again. SturmGrenadier
Falconetta Times of Ancar	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:51:00 - [31] Originally by: Doshu All those that call Dyneon a liar, speak up, but know that SturmGrenadier members are taking your names, and be assured that we will see you in battle. I stand by accusing Dyneon a liar when he claims we were using resources in Outer Ring without assisting in its defence. We used a fraction of the available resources in Outer Ring, and was doing so in full accordance to the treaty signed. We upheld our part of the treaty by defending the RISE border 23/7 scoring hundreds of kills in the process. I think it's so clear that constitutes "help defending RISE territory" that anyone that claims the contrary deserves being called a liar. Or are you claiming there was no treaty in place? Or are you claiming we were not defending the RISE borders? Or exactly what are you trying to say? Go ahead, take my name, but don't do so pretending to be offended just because I pointed out the facts of the case at hand. /Falconetta PS. No idea if you were actually accusing me of lying, but with your post just below mine I assume it was atleast partly directed at me.
Sobic Kurophsky	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:54:00 - [32] We wanted there to be peace. There was an agreement between TOA and RISE, and honestly we wanted to stay on good terms. BUT....... CHON had other ideas. Shivaja was very clear in the fact that they were not interested in "sharing" anything. They left days before the 9-4 outpost debacle. Fighting down in syndicate to keep there player base happy. We could have won that war in CR if corps were'nt freaking cutting and running. TOA aligned themselves with CHON & Yakusa. Yakusa also wasnt very diplomatic after leaving. When they set all NORAD corps blue but wouldnt set SG/BIGAA/REZ to blue???? After a tough loss of CR(After killing three hostile dreads and spending ten's of billions on POS spamming)we werent going to give much confidence to our pilots by bending over backwards for those that were to weak to stay the course. TOA had massive inner turmoil, and most of them were RL friends. I think they simple would not expel certain people from there ranks no matter there record. Or what kind of turmoil they caused with other factions aswell. Yes there was an agreement. If you didnt align directly with CHON I think this would all be very different. But the old NORAD lines continue on and TOA and CHON and Yakuza went with the guys they knew best. Communication is everything in this game. People will betray and leave on a player. But they would never do that, to a friend.
Sobic Kurophsky	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Falconetta Originally by: Doshu All those that call Dyneon a liar, speak up, but know that SturmGrenadier members are taking your names, and be assured that we will see you in battle. I stand by accusing Dyneon a liar when he claims we were using resources in Outer Ring without assisting in its defence. We used a fraction of the available resources in Outer Ring, and was doing so in full accordance to the treaty signed. We upheld our part of the treaty by defending the RISE border 23/7 scoring hundreds of kills in the process. I think it's so clear that constitutes "help defending RISE territory" that anyone that claims the contrary deserves being called a liar. Or are you claiming there was no treaty in place? Or are you claiming we were not defending the RISE borders? Or exactly what are you trying to say? Go ahead, take my name, but don't do so pretending to be offended just because I pointed out the facts of the case at hand. /Falconetta PS. No idea if you were actually accusing me of lying, but with your post just below mine I assume it was atleast partly directed at me. TOA was never the cause of this war. CHON and Yakusa were. You simply picked a side, and your wonderfull Ban Tier didnt help much either with his vile disrespect for SG/BIG/REZ/Etc
Valandril Caldari Eve guardians	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:00:00 - [34] All i can say about this case, is about politics. While RISE are nice, polite, explaining to newbie ppl (i know that after joining some ops), chons are opposite to it. After i engaged inty and frig,(inty managed to run) i get flamed in local by our beloved Rugs about beeing in simple coward. Why ? Because i did not engage Hac + cruiser on gatecamp while i was flying thorax. Also on forum, theyr just flaming, calling ppl liers but nothing constructive.
Arwen Atreides CHON THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:02:00 - [35] I think all the leaders involved know exactly why this conflict has happened, and its not because of the reasons given in the RISE propaganda. If either side wanted peace, this would have been worked out somehow. The fact is, we all just wanted a fight and no diplomacy would have made any difference. RISE has allowed many inferior allies to live and mine in Outer Ring/Synidicate constallations without a whole lot of what Dyneon calls "rent." at the idea of paying rent in 0.0 You don't pay to live in 0.0 with isk, you pay with ships and clones. In that regard, RISE is paying to live in Outer Ring. -
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:41:00 - [36] The arrogance of Ban Tier and LordXL and some member of CHON (Shivaja sanctioned) who insulted RISE are our main drive behind hunting you guys down. There's many pilots in Ronin whom we personally like, but the leaders screwed them over with internal propaganda. Turning friends against each other is nothing to be proud of. Dhan
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 18:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Dhan The arrogance of Ban Tier and LordXL and some member of CHON (Shivaja sanctioned) who insulted RISE are our main drive behind hunting you guys down. Theres more to hunting us down than gathering all your little pet corps together until you have 3x our gang then waiting for us to jump in or waiting for us to go to bed before shooting a POS :) Should give them some praise though. Eve Guardians and Vertigo Coalition have been throwing ships at us for a while now as well as joining your little d5 op yesterday with no recognition in any of the back slapping stuff you've posted - Anyone would think its the SGHQ and REZ show. Nice for them to finally get to kill something, RISE care in the community programme might be doing some good
Gius Adoma Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 21:07:00 - [38] Heh yeah The "We know how to bring down pos's" VC ppl went in like lemmings again and died, well done in boosting our pos's killpoints on the killboard :) Also can rise field 90 ppl 7 days a week? or just 1 day a week? Also this is NPC space is it not? so pos's dont matter that much really = Times of Ancar = < THE R0NIN >
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.05 23:20:00 - [39] Edited by: LordXL on 05/11/2006 23:22:39 Edited by: LordXL on 05/11/2006 23:21:15 Originally by: Dhan The arrogance of Ban Tier and LordXL and some member of CHON (Shivaja sanctioned) who insulted RISE are our main drive behind hunting you guys down. There's many pilots in Ronin whom we personally like, but the leaders screwed them over with internal propaganda. Turning friends against each other is nothing to be proud of. Dhan my my where to begin... Firstly. The guy that said that stuff about calling the other guy a liar - and you're all going to take our names down or something... Yeah he's a big fat liar and he smells of dog wee. I'm bemused by this bull**** about CHON, TOA and YAK avoiding conflict. During our time in RISE Yak killed virtually everyone non-RISE that tried to enter OR via Syndicate. Yak was a fraction of the size of most of the other bloated 'pvp' corps and our per capita kill rate was multiples higher. At the time you sanctioned and praised us for it. Yak simply didn't want to go to CR. we also didn't want to join any SGHQ gangs after Sobic showed how utterly inept he was. TOA and CHON also out performed all other RISE corps prior to feeling let down but the majority of leeches within the exFA ranks. Around this time Vache took an unhealthy interest in our stuff and developed a slighty alarming facination with me personally. Really, we came to the conclusion we'd rather go and do our own thing without the painfully slow politics, masses of blues, and hipocrasy. We offered all our help continuing to secure the syndicate routes for you but again vache blundered his diplomacy and thus you ended up with some mixed standings from Yak. Sadly for you the bonds between CHON, YAK and TOA go back years and are far stronger than the connection of nessesity that your RISE corps are currently clutching to. I have lost count the number of times I have been approached by members of some of your smaller corps looking for some kind of deal - I'm pleased to say on the whole I have been quite accomodating. How long until your house of cards collapses entirely? So unlike my more honorable collegues I don't wish you fun on the battlefield, nor luck. I wish to destroy your sham of an alliance because its very existence offends me. You've not earned OR. G. Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
Dyneon Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 02:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Gius Adoma Also this is NPC space is it not? so pos's dont matter that much really Interesting. I'm a little confused, though. If POS's don't matter then why did TOA, CHON, etc. refuse to remove them from Outer Ring? If POS's don't matter, then why doesn't RONIN remove their POS's from Outer Ring and end this war...more quickly then us having to remove them. Also, if they don't matter I guess you really don't care that we have destroyed seven of RONIN's POS's to date and put many more into reinforced. If POS's don't matter maybe that explains why you haven't attacked one of ours yet. I mean... it couldn't be the fact that you don't have the firepower or anything like that. Perhaps you could explain these inconsitencies to me? Thanks! ----------------------------------- RISE Minister of Internal Affairs
sableye principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 02:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Arwen Atreides at the idea of paying rent in 0.0 You don't pay to live in 0.0 with isk, you pay with ships and clones. In that regard, RISE is paying to live in Outer Ring. so are yourselfs though arwen Join The Fight With Promo Today
somebody Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 06:04:00 - [42] Edited by: somebody on 06/11/2006 06:04:45 propaganda and lies is only thing RISE can post here trying to make people angry so they say stuff that gets banned as they even petition if u say S.H.I.T in a public channel as getting us banned is only way they will win this conflict this post deserves to be locked
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:43:00 - [43] Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 06/11/2006 08:45:01 I can not speak for the Council or the Diplomacy Staff prior to my accepting my current post. But... I can say that we are no longer the bloated, ineffectual alliance you once knew... I can say that we have removed all those corps who lacked the ability or desire to fight for their allaince mates... I can tell you that the forces that fly the RISE flag today stand together with a unity that was not present before... I can also tell you that neither me nor anyone on my Foreign Affairs team as ever asked RONIN to come to the table nor do we intend to. RISE will continue to dimantle RONIN's ability to wage war against our forces until our enemy losses the will or ability to fight. We will support all those who stand against RONIN and fire on all those who fly with them. RISE has gone through a trial by fire and emerged a stronger more cohesive unit. Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more... RISE 4TW RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 10:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Dyneon Interesting. I'm a little confused, though. If POS's don't matter then why did TOA, CHON, etc. refuse to remove them from Outer Ring? If POS's don't matter, then why doesn't RONIN remove their POS's from Outer Ring and end this war...more quickly then us having to remove them. Also, if they don't matter I guess you really don't care that we have destroyed seven of RONIN's POS's to date and put many more into reinforced. If POS's don't matter maybe that explains why you haven't attacked one of ours yet. I mean... it couldn't be the fact that you don't have the firepower or anything like that. Perhaps you could explain these inconsitencies to me? Thanks! RISE think this war will be over when there are no POS's left for you to shoot while RONIN sleep? lol, I admire your nanvetT if nothing else. You don't seem to understand that POS's aren't at all relevent in a fight where sovereignty is taken by an NPC faction. The importance you place on them is simply indicative of the same greed that led you to jump at the chance to claim xzh and its 10/10 plex and your inability to bother us in any significant way. As for why we haven't attacked any yet. Do you really think shooting a POS is fun? I guess when you lack the ability to do much else without calling in all the help you can get then it's the closest to fun you're gonna get.
Duke Galadrien Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 10:48:00 - [45] Originally by: LordXL Edited by: LordXL on 05/11/2006 23:22:39 Edited by: LordXL on 05/11/2006 23:21:15 Sadly for you the bonds between CHON, YAK and TOA go back years and are far stronger than the connection of nessesity that your RISE corps are currently clutching to. While I won't involve myself in a flamefest, I will say (as you well know) the ties between many Rise corps go back just as many years as those between CHON, TOA, and YAK. Our resolve is there, our morale is high, and the unity of those corps that fly their banner with ours is unquestionable.
Aves Jazz Associates R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 11:35:00 - [46] Indeed, RISE has become more cohesive lately. In my opinion the reason we weren't before when we just formed is that everyone needed to find his/her place in the new alliance. This goal was overshadowed by the many hostiles we had to fight, there was little time to really structure the alliance. We had to fight for survival, or so it felt. Some Corps didn't believe this could be corrected (either by management or theirselves), so they left. That's fine. Obviously we couldn't agree over how the resources in Outer Ring would be divided, so it's come to a war. If CHON/TOA/ YAK didn't see it coming or underestimated us, then it is their problem now. We will have no problem 'fighting' the guerilla wars you love so much. Game on.
Ban Tier Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 13:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Aves Obviously we couldn't agree over how the resources in Outer Ring would be divided, so it's come to a war. If CHON/TOA/ YAK didn't see it coming or underestimated us, then it is their problem now. We will have no problem 'fighting' the guerilla wars you love so much. Game on. Good to see, that at least one of your CEO-guys has a clue what this is all about. And no, we have not the slightest problem with shooting on you guys, cause we really do love our way of fighting. That is the reason why TOA did disassembled most of our POS. We want to have the time to focus on your ships and pods rather then spent hours in boosting POS-shields up. So be proud to have killed some of our POS, we are proud of having still a BS-kill ratio 2:1 in our favour on you guys even after the battle in D5 (was 3:1 before that). And when our POS are gone, your BS will hopefully still be there as targets ... if not, we will make you show up, I promise you will see. Quote: Indeed, RISE has become more cohesive lately. In my opinion the reason we weren't before when we just formed is that everyone needed to find his/her place in the new alliance. Well I agree here too, the problem is, there is not much NORAD left in RISE (check old NORAD killboard on corp basis to see what I mean). So basically you admit, that FA did not show up, because you all where not satisfied with your place in the new alliance. In short: the merger simply failed and now we have core NORAD fighting against core FA with few NORADs left ... I have no problem with that. Make us leave the region or get used to dock or loose ships. We will go for you and no talking can prevent us from doing so. Ban CEO Times of Ancar
ChronoSphere Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 14:55:00 - [48] Interesting on how people brush off the importance of POS'es because this is an "NPC" region. Most likely because people are ignoring two simple facts: 1. OR is not exactly what you call a resource rich region. 2. Every single one of those POS'es were moon mining valuable minerals. We all know war is usually a battle of attrition, especially in EVE. RONIN has lost 7 POS'es, accounting for billions of ISK in assets. RONIN has lost I would imagine almost a billion ISK in day that those POS'es produced in minerals. No matter how it is spun, it is unarguable that RONIN's industrial and money-making ability has taken a siginificant blow. And with every POS of RONIN's that we destroy, another RISE one goes up in its place to better fund our ability to wage war against our enemies. No matter how much RONIN's leaders pontificate, their rank and file know something that is true - they have taken horrendous losses, every day they wake up and hear about another POS destroyed, losses that their fellow pilots have taken in the previous day, and more and more grumbles about the progression in the war. RONIN is fighting a losing battle. It is not a question of if. It is a question of only when will RONIN capitulate. RISE will not tire. RISE will not succumb. RISE will continue each and every day to hunt RONIN down until they have nothing left but their pods and rookie ships until the day that their pilots realise the folly that their leaders have dragged them into and force them to discuss with us the terms for an agreeable peace between both parties. RONIN's pilots know this - they know how badly they have suffered during this conflict, know the inevability of the outcome, know the resolve, the strength and skill of RISE's pilots and leaders, the organization, and the strength of the oiled war machine that RISE has become. It is only a matter of time gentlemen. Only a matter of time. Up to the day that hostilities broke out I was helping CHON/TOA fight off invaders from Art of War in EF-, their home systems, and we fought side by side against common enemies. I helped Taurus and TOA fight off the Goonies during their campaign in OR. We were brothers in arms once. But their leaders decided on a different path. The path of peace is open to you, RONIN pilots, if you only have the courage to make your leaders see reality. This is a futile war, and the longer you engage it in, the close you will become to total destruction, one of those many corporations that are mere shadows of what they were. If you don't want this to happen to you, you know who to contact. See you on the battlefield gentlemen. While your leaders leave much to be desired, the rest of RONIN has fought with honor and discipline. You have earned our respect.
Falryx Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 15:54:00 - [49] Edited by: Falryx on 06/11/2006 15:55:01 Before I respond, I'd like to provide some context to the community at large. Basically with Ior Mader, I crafted the governing charter for RISE. I believe personally that I worked hard to provide the framework for a crazy enterprise to succeed, given the chance to do so. Circumstances weren't with us, however, and we were at war before the luxury of figuring out how to live together was complete. Some people are bitter about this -- and I'm sorry they are. Others are more philosophical about it and have moved on. As a personal note, there are several former leaders of RISE that aren't in it any more -- Guurel, Aikowan, Taurus, SigmaPi, Ior Mader, Nyack, Barin... whom I regret are not with us. They are good people who worked hard but the task before us in forging more than 6 DOZEN people into a cohesive governing force was too frustrating. We too realised this -- and this is why RISE looks different today than it did after the war with YouWhat ended. Onward to some of my comments: Quote: So be proud to have killed some of our POS, we are proud of having still a BS-kill ratio 2:1 in our favour on you guys even after the battle in D5 (was 3:1 before that). You mean, the BS-kill ratio which is on the killboard where you're under-reporting your losses? Sturmgrenadier and Ronin use the same killboard software and have the same campaign start date for our conflict. Interestingly you report only 140 losses and SGHQ -- which is merely a portion of RISE and only copies over those killmails that have SGHQ participants -- shows 162 RONIN kills. Let's try to avoid using killboards as propoganda, shall we? Only the newest, rawest recruits into EVE believe that everyone posts everything onto the killboards. Quote: So basically you admit, that FA did not show up, because you all where not satisfied with your place in the new alliance. An interesting conclusion to come to when the original statement referred to RISE. This is your spin Ban because you were not satisfied with your place in the new alliance. Let's assume for a moment you'll choose to refute my position on killboards. That's fine. Let's talk about the participation of CHON, TOA and YAK in the YW war with our killboard data. War begins 9/9. YAK leaves on 9/13. LordXL participates in 3 kills in XZH, Yak's entire contribution to the Cloud Ring conflict. CHON announces depature on 10/3, effective 10/13. CHON participates in 36 killmails in Cloud Ring in that time, despite being a "key participant" in the conflict. Dozens more killmails are in Syndicate against such threats as Imperial Academy and Center for Advanced Studies. TOA, without Ban Tier, have a long, storied and glorious effort. I have nothing but time and respect for Taurus and the TOA members who stuck it out and fought as long and hard as they did. Quote: In short: the merger simply failed and now we have core NORAD fighting against core FA with few NORADs left ... I have no problem with that. Ban, you'd like to make this about 'core NORAD vs. core FA'. But this is where you miss the mark. You entered into the merger in bad faith. You claimed and supported a democratic government where the participants could disagree with one another and then bring issues to the table to vote. And when the member corps exercised this democracy you touted, you left. The real sound bite is that Ban Tier didn't want to govern with equals he wanted to throw his weight around and "make it so". And when that wasn't possible, he called us the hypocrites and called us the selfish ones and he walked away and proceeded to poison anyone he could against working with people who genuinely committed to a new enterprise. Then, he fomented conflict. In the end, none of it matters. We're at conflict. Yay. GL. HF.
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 17:13:00 - [50] Edited by: vache on 06/11/2006 17:15:05 Originally by: LordXL Around this time Vache took an unhealthy interest in our stuff and developed a slighty alarming facination with me personally. Well, i was fascinated with you. I was undertaking a case study for university into the psychological mindpath of a megalomaniac. You were certainly an interesting student to which my thesis was constructed. I found it particuarly fascinating how your own sense of ill-found accomplisment and achievement seemed to furhter isolate you from the individuals of which a normal society is constituted by pushing you farther into your own kingdom, which you failed to project into this online game. It is my professional opinion that you seek some form of mental help, before you inadvertently do damage to yourself. Thanks for getting my a masters degree. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Vache REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:18:00 - [51] Edited by: LordXL on 06/11/2006 22:19:03 Originally by: vache Edited by: vache on 06/11/2006 17:15:05 Originally by: LordXL Around this time Vache took an unhealthy interest in our stuff and developed a slighty alarming facination with me personally. Well, i was fascinated with you. I was undertaking a case study for university into the psychological mindpath of a megalomaniac. You were certainly an interesting student to which my thesis was constructed. I found it particuarly fascinating how your own sense of ill-found accomplisment and achievement seemed to furhter isolate you from the individuals of which a normal society is constituted by pushing you farther into your own kingdom, which you failed to project into this online game. It is my professional opinion that you seek some form of mental help, before you inadvertently do damage to yourself. Thanks for getting my a masters degree. HAHAHA... Quite flattering really... Go on... admit it - you think about me in the shower don't you, you cheeky monkey. Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:26:00 - [52] Anyway, Just to disassemble some of this nonsense... Please give up on these feable attempts to drive wedges into non existent *****s. Clearly you think there is some benefit to be driven from focusing on either the leadership of RONIN or Ban and Taurus. The will of the RONIN leadership is completly in-line with and in fact driven by the will of RONINs as a whole. Please give up these pathetic attempts at 'divide and concquor' and focus on the corps and members within your own corps who are already looking to vest their interests in greener pastures. Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
Sgt Jinxed AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:46:00 - [53] Best of luck RISE. Give 'em hell.
Falconetta Times of Ancar	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:22:00 - [54] Originally by: ChronoSphere RONIN's pilots know this - they know how badly they have suffered during this conflict, know the inevability of the outcome, know the resolve, the strength and skill of RISE's pilots and leaders, the organization, and the strength of the oiled war machine that RISE has become. It is only a matter of time gentlemen. Dr Goebbels I presume? Easy there cowboy or you'll end up bruisng yourself from all the chest beating. Class A propaganda there, I wont even bother tearing it down with fact, such a piece must be left in its original form for everyone to laugh at
Kilian II A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:52:00 - [55] So much hatred in here, so many accusations of things that were done or not by people who should be allied after all As i left FA at the time R I S E was founded, i would have never even imagined something like this could happen. Really, we fought together, FA and NORAD, for a long time and against common and powerful enemys, and i remember times when NORAD came to assist us as well as times when we moved up to OR to assist them, last against the goon invasion iirc. And i really thought this merger could help both to come out of the weak position they were in before, but now it looks like that just the opposite happened Just makes me sad to see this stupid civil war evolving now, simply weakening both parts unnecessarily... Well, I m not in the details anymore, living somewhere else for several months now, but i really thank god that he spared it for me to be involved in this weird war, since i have friends on both sides. To all those involved, gl and hf, i hope you can. My sympathies are for REZ though, and will always be. Must be different to fight such a war i guess. I personally think fighting BoB while loosing was more honourable to all then whats going on right now... But as stated above, i dont know details about this conflict and there are for sure points why it had to evolve like it did. Just makes me sad, sad, sad... Fly safe all, and I hope for a soon solution, whatever that will be... Kilian II Ex-REZ, Ex-FA
Duun Suhuy Shadow Of The Light Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:29:00 - [56] As a member of the Vertigo Coalition, I proudly back rise in their Outer Ring efforts. Also, what's this about lemmings? I do believe we have destroyed 2-3 of your POSs in Syndicate. And you seem to ahve dismantled the ones in 0T-AMZ, it it because you got tired of wasting Strontium?
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Duun Suhuy As a member of the Vertigo Coalition, I proudly back rise in their Outer Ring efforts. Also, what's this about lemmings? I do believe we have destroyed 2-3 of your POSs in Syndicate. And you seem to ahve dismantled the ones in 0T-AMZ, it it because you got tired of wasting Strontium? Aye, I belive that we put at least 2 POS's into reinforced mode, then they simply disappeared after about the thrid time. Must have needed them for other systems... Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Borg017 BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.08 03:01:00 - [58] This whole situation came to be because of one person...G. Wake up and smell the coffee TOA and even CHON ffs. I'm afraid the truth is that he is using you all and the good name of NORAD for his own twisted pleasure. We're talking about a guy who was out to divide us from the moment he first came across the thought of leaving RISE. Setting some RISE to blue and others to NBSI neutral? WTF!? Seriously, how can you not see something wrong with that? Our true enemies are laughing at us right now. We're being kept busy like rats in a maze, it's fuggin convoluted. -----------------------------------------------
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.08 03:09:00 - [59] Have to say during our little scuffle in the rings, i'd say CHON was one of the most active corps from RISE. So for you to now turn around and say "while they mined and we died on the frontlines" is complete rubbish. Anyhow goodluck with it, i just hope you get more corps to fight them compared to what you got to fight us.
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 06:40:00 - [60] Same for us, the limited stats we have show CHON with roughly double the kills and loses of the highest Rise corp (so more than double the activity), times of anchor also have more activity than any Rise corp according to A-WAR's data. Very hard, and in fact comical, to believe the claims that they never fought - that's in comparison to other rise corps, at least. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Gallente Citizen 12385493723	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Pepperami Same for us, the limited stats we have show CHON with roughly double the kills and loses of the highest Rise corp (so more than double the activity), times of anchor also have more activity than any Rise corp according to A-WAR's data. Very hard, and in fact comical, to believe the claims that they never fought - that's in comparison to other rise corps, at least. The 3 times you actually made it to OR, and I say that number with confidence because I know you personally ôPepperö, I podded your cabbage-head self back to empire which also should show on that ôdynamicö spreadsheet you guyÆs call a killboard. Stop Wardecing a zero security space alliance and ôreallyö come join the funà Your Pal Jeff
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:22:00 - [62] Originally by: Gallente Citizen 12385493723 The 3 times you actually made it to OR, and I say that number with confidence because I know you personally ôPepperö, I podded your cabbage-head self back to empire which also should show on that ôdynamicö spreadsheet you guyÆs call a killboard. Stop Wardecing a zero security space alliance and ôreallyö come join the funà Your Pal Jeff Er, No one calls me pepper, you nub. Nor have rise ever got my pod, each time we visit outer ring in a gang we get no fights - except once and the servers crashed out Looks like you're wrong on all counts. Try trolling again. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Mael Duakal Gallente Interlunium Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:12:00 - [63] Originally by: Falconetta Dr Goebbels I presume? I hope that the forum mods give you a hard punch on your nose for this more than tasteless RL comparison.
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:05:00 - [64] Originally by: Pepperami Same for us, the limited stats we have show CHON with roughly double the kills and loses of the highest Rise corp (so more than double the activity), times of anchor also have more activity than any Rise corp according to A-WAR's data. Very hard, and in fact comical, to believe the claims that they never fought - that's in comparison to other rise corps, at least. I would have to aggree... Are you shocked? Please kindly review the systems and Regions in which these encounters took place before you try to reply to this thread. I have never said that CHON doesn't have good PVP'ers. I will never claim that they don't fight. Our problem stemmed from the fact that they were off padding their killboards in Syndicate and other places and not in the fight with us in our claimed space. Look at their board... Look at your board... almost 2/3's of their kills until recently are in Syndicate and almost 50% of the last 2 months are NOOB corps (which they either hide intentionally or don't have the code written correctly on their stats section so you actually have to go back manually) I can only recall a handful of times you ever tried to enter our claimed space in OR. You can keep war dec'ing us and try to pick off people in Empire (guess that's not going to well... or did you forget to pay the bill yesterday), but everyone knows how futile empire wardec's are against a 0.0 alliance. Rise will defend it's space and we don't claim TA-A7V or AE's surrounding pirating routes... See on on the battlefield. RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:44:00 - [65] According to outbreak killboads (i can't post the link but you can easily find what i'm on about). The 3 most active corps in RISE are, 1st Strum, 2nd TOA, 3rd, CHON. Even if they generated all these kills in syndicates and not on the front lines. Ask yourself this, were all the current corps in RISE fighting on the front lines? I seem to remember during outbreaks 4 day stint in 9-4 that we managed to get ONE fight out of you guys. ONE fight from an alliance more than 10 times outbreaks corp size at the time. So maybe just maybe, TOA and CHON were ****ed off with the lack of a force on the front lines so went where they could get action. So first your excuse was CHON and TOA were carebearing while the rest of RISE were fighting, you've since admited yourself thats not the case. The second excuse was that they were fighting in syndicate while the other corps in RISE were fighting on the frontlines, there was minimal force from RISE on the front lines, so are we going to have a third excuse?
somebody Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:53:00 - [66] Edited by: somebody on 08/11/2006 17:53:29 I think 3rd excuse will be they have smaller c*cks than us
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:16:00 - [67] Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 08/11/2006 18:23:08 Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 08/11/2006 18:20:26 Originally by: whisk Have to say during our little scuffle in the rings, i'd say CHON was one of the most active corps from RISE. So for you to now turn around and say "while they mined and we died on the frontlines" is complete rubbish. Anyhow goodluck with it, i just hope you get more corps to fight them compared to what you got to fight us. I have a healthy respect for you and your corp, Whisk. TOXIN is an elite PVP group and were a key factor in forcing the reformation of RISE into the orgainization we have today. I believe your colleagues have had a much different view in recent posts concerning this conflict. In looking at your boards and ours I see a different story during the conflict from 9/9 - 10/7). Although I don't doubt that you saw CHON in the area during your peak times (they do share your primetime) the record shows that just over 10% of our kills against Outbreak had a CHON pilot on it. Most of these were group efforts involving other RISE members and 1/3 of them were in their favorite hunting grounds around Orville and not in the "the rings." If you review your own boards you will see that CHON had some great kills, but they were by no means the stongest of our member corps against Outbreak. This does not mean that we don't respect CHON's abilities... They are a very worthy opponent and it will be a hard fought battle. It is unfortunate that all this could have been prevented if the forces of the new RONIN had fought as hard for us as they are now fighting against us. Both CHON and TOA had already announced their withdrawal from RISE almost 1 week before you took 9-4. Count the kills in Cloud Ring during the last 2 weeks of the conflict (2 weeks prior to 10/7). TOA leaving the alliance was the reason you got the station in 9-4 (their last day in the alliance was that day and is what left the station open to attack). RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Manc Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:19:00 - [68] This is getting priceless it really is I love the bit about G, all true of course, I'm just waiting for the natural progression where some nubler from Rise figure's out he's Blacklights alt !! To Rise, you really need to stop with the crap talk on the boards & get into your ships more, it's becoming increasingly dull when we enter your ring (sorry I just had to) to find you docked, SS'd or sat at your POS's. Oh & whilst I mentioned the dreaded P word I have to say I love the way that your High (which is what they must be to post some of the utter crap I'm reading) Command post about how you struck a Major blow against the ebil Ronin & there POS network. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT *%&$ING POS'S, we are not about making ISK, we are not about lining our greedy assed pockets, we are about having fun killing you lot & removing your ISK making opportunities & we won't stop until you are that annoyed with us that you actually fight (that doesn't mean bubbling up D5 & sitting 150km from the gate with 3 time our numbers, we allowed you that once, it won't happen again). Anyway ... carry on.
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:40:00 - [69] So the third excuse is time zones? We'll you've got me there, all power to the hypno toad bzzzzz.
ChronoSphere Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:53:00 - [70] Originally by: Manc This is getting priceless it really is I love the bit about G, all true of course, I'm just waiting for the natural progression where some nubler from Rise figure's out he's Blacklights alt !! To Rise, you really need to stop with the crap talk on the boards & get into your ships more, it's becoming increasingly dull when we enter your ring (sorry I just had to) to find you docked, SS'd or sat at your POS's. Oh & whilst I mentioned the dreaded P word I have to say I love the way that your High (which is what they must be to post some of the utter crap I'm reading) Command post about how you struck a Major blow against the ebil Ronin & there POS network. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT %&$ING POS'S, we are not about making ISK, we are not about lining our greedy assed pockets, we are about having fun killing you lot & removing your ISK making opportunities & we won't stop until you are that annoyed with us that you actually fight (that doesn't mean bubbling up D5 & sitting 150km from the gate with 3 time our numbers, we allowed you that once, it won't happen again). Anyway ... carry on. That's great that you don't care about your POS'es. Keep taking them down so we don't have to remove them for you. The sooner R0NIN runs out of funds to fight with, the better for us. All your bravado about how you love to fight, about how "%&$ING POS'S, we are not about making ISK" is music to my ears quite frankly. If RONIN wants to believe that an army doesn't travel on its stomach, great. The sooner you die of starvation perhaps. Come talk to me when you have nothing to fight in but n00b ships.' And if you don't care, why are they there? Why bother defending them? Why are you attempting to online more weapons at those POSes in futile attempts to save them? You words say one thing, your actions clearly speak of something else. As for removing our ISK making opportunities, you would have to be able to pressure us outside of the 3 hour timeslot where you have even numbers with us. Because, hey, we're making plenty off ISK off the moons we've liberated from your POS'es. Oh, and another thing "it's becoming increasingly dull when we enter your ring". We're not here for your enjoyment, we're here to decorate our hangars with your corpses. We will engage you when we have a reasonable chance of success, if we do not, we will wait and find an opportunity where we do. If you wish to throw away your own ships (such as your attempt to save the large tower in D5I with insufficient forces) in foolhardy attempts to perhaps prove your courage, I will applaud you for it. We're not running out of ammo or hangar wall space any time soon. Time is running out for RONIN --------- Lieutenant ChronoSphere, SGHQ Security Division Executive Officer, Battlegroup 2 - The Gunslingers "Aut Vincere Aut More"
Ban Tier Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:56:00 - [71] Originally by: ChronoSphere We're not here for your enjoyment, we're here to decorate our hangars with your corpses. We will engage you when we have a reasonable chance of success, if we do not, we will wait and find an opportunity where we do. ** I hoped to get some more good fights, but if you wait for a reasonable chance, it will be when we are asleep ... And @Whisk: These noobs have even no idea about tactics ... if we engage our enemy before they enter our space, our industrialist can make some of the ISK we might loose from time to time, cause we do engange if we have a SLIGHTEST** chance of success and sometimes even if we have no chance ... so now this might explain why we prefer to sent out a gang and engage instead of sitting on a station and waiting for a reasonable chance ... but to do this, you must have the balls to jump sometimes into a mess ... but hey is this not the fun about all PvP ? A blob is boring, even if you sometimes need one. And thx for commenting it from a more or less neutral side, but I think, many older ppl in the community already have an idea about RISE following this thread. But those, who did not fight against us until now might become a false impression, not they we really do care much => easy targets ;) , but all this b....sh.... starts to become a bit anoying. Ok RISE next round I want to be the evil one again, pls think of something new I have done Ban CEO Times of Ancar
Manc Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:19:00 - [72] Originally by: ChronoSphere Originally by: Manc This is getting priceless it really is I love the bit about G, all true of course, I'm just waiting for the natural progression where some nubler from Rise figure's out he's Blacklights alt !! To Rise, you really need to stop with the crap talk on the boards & get into your ships more, it's becoming increasingly dull when we enter your ring (sorry I just had to) to find you docked, SS'd or sat at your POS's. Oh & whilst I mentioned the dreaded P word I have to say I love the way that your High (which is what they must be to post some of the utter crap I'm reading) Command post about how you struck a Major blow against the ebil Ronin & there POS network. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT %&$ING POS'S, we are not about making ISK, we are not about lining our greedy assed pockets, we are about having fun killing you lot & removing your ISK making opportunities & we won't stop until you are that annoyed with us that you actually fight (that doesn't mean bubbling up D5 & sitting 150km from the gate with 3 time our numbers, we allowed you that once, it won't happen again). Anyway ... carry on. That's great that you don't care about your POS'es. Keep taking them down so we don't have to remove them for you. The sooner R0NIN runs out of funds to fight with, the better for us. All your bravado about how you love to fight, about how "%&$ING POS'S, we are not about making ISK" is music to my ears quite frankly. If RONIN wants to believe that an army doesn't travel on its stomach, great. The sooner you die of starvation perhaps. Come talk to me when you have nothing to fight in but n00b ships.' And if you don't care, why are they there? Why bother defending them? Why are you attempting to online more weapons at those POSes in futile attempts to save them? You words say one thing, your actions clearly speak of something else. As for removing our ISK making opportunities, you would have to be able to pressure us outside of the 3 hour timeslot where you have even numbers with us. Because, hey, we're making plenty off ISK off the moons we've liberated from your POS'es. Oh, and another thing "it's becoming increasingly dull when we enter your ring". We're not here for your enjoyment, we're here to decorate our hangars with your corpses. We will engage you when we have a reasonable chance of success, if we do not, we will wait and find an opportunity where we do. If you wish to throw away your own ships (such as your attempt to save the large tower in D5I with insufficient forces) in foolhardy attempts to perhaps prove your courage, I will applaud you for it. We're not running out of ammo or hangar wall space any time soon. Time is running out for RONIN Did I mention anywhere in my post that we don't make ISK ? Do you seriously think that 3 corps with as much experience as Yakuza, Chon & TOA wouldn't have a way to fund us killing you nublers. Seriously you guys keep getting it all wrong don't you. I mean the Toxin/A-war posts have proven you wrong with all your false claims about TOA & Chon mining whilst you fella's were popping all those ... erm what exactly were you popping sat in a SS for hours on end ????
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:20:00 - [73] Originally by: Nahual CHON you guys are fools, no-one can kick anyone out of an NPC 0.0 region, so good one on thinking you're great. When we were fighting RISE, the corps that I remember fighting us were Res, stromgrumers or something like that and some other one. The only thing I remember about CHON was the wcs that you had and the running that you did (I still like your CNR death ). At least they stuck it out to the end, you bailed when it got hard, nice way to cover your ass. So I wish RISE all the best in this, I may not like them, but I dislike your arrogance even more. - Nahual - 0utbreak Originally by: Kujin Chon made a very small/ interesting couple of engaments way back in our campaign, but that¦s it... so b4 any of you wannabe¦s are up to smack anything of what i said, go ahead, still,. .. as far as i have experienced it, chon especially deserves the (hopefully)upcomming wcs nerf.... Even though i have my personal feelings on RISE,... with this statement, shivaja deserves a quicker death than RISE atm... - Kujin - 0utbreak Did you forget the comments made in your own thread? I find it funny that as soon as one Outbreak pilot responds to the this thread saying you were "active" you rally around him. There is a big difference between being active and getting kills (my post above concerns kills) as we saw clearly in Cloud Ring. CHON... You guys started this conflict by making a big deal about your "guerilla tactics". You talked about how you would hit and run and dictate the battlefield. Why is it that you now fault RISE pilots for doing the same? Guerillas don't survive long if they storm into fights they can't win. The whole goal is to survive and live to find another weakness of their target they can exploit. If you don't like the fact that we are using the same "tactics" that you proclaimed you would use on us then get use to being frustrated during your TZ. Our pilots will continue to engage you at every reasonable opportunity (I've noticed you don't come into D5 without a group as often) and in the 21 hours that you can not match us we will systematicly dismantle your ability to fight. RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
LordXL Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:33:00 - [74] Originally by: Manc This is getting priceless it really is I love the bit about G, all true of course, I'm just waiting for the natural progression where some nubler from Rise figure's out he's Blacklights alt !! Most amusing... Of course the truth is Blacklight, Molle and DBP are all alts of MINE. I won them in a game of strip poker - they all got down to their undies and didn't want to show me their weiners.. YARR Formerly Vigo Barboza... Always aroused...
PreTender Amarr R0NIN Industrial	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:37:00 - [75] oh yes and ofcourse g is my alt __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com http://www.eve-wiki.net
Falryx Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:23:00 - [76] Edited by: Falryx on 09/11/2006 00:24:18 Hey Whisk: I've a lot of respect for Outbreak, even though y'all came to rain on our parade before we'd had the time to make sure the 60 people running the alliance (I kid you not) actually knew one another. Our mistake. Originally by: whisk Even if they generated all these kills in syndicates and not on the front lines. Ask yourself this, were all the current corps in RISE fighting on the front lines? I seem to remember during outbreaks 4 day stint in 9-4 that we managed to get ONE fight out of you guys. ONE fight from an alliance more than 10 times outbreaks corp size at the time. So maybe just maybe, TOA and CHON were **ed off with the lack of a force on the front lines so went where they could get action. This would be fair criticism if it had been voiced. However, these corporations were happy to pariticipate in discussions about expelling trial corps who did not enter the battle in Cloud Ring -- but may not have held themselves to the standard. More over, I absolutely believe that between TOA, CHON and GREYC (among others) RISE had the force necessary to meet Outbreak and YouWhat and give 'em whatfor. If they needed additional cash, material or support to keep the fight going I believe we would have found a way to make it happen. I'm okay with people having grievances -- and I'll likely be the first member of RISE to admit we have made some pretty precious mistakes. But none of us are mind readers, and nothing gets resolved without engagement over disengagement. Quote:** So first your excuse was CHON and TOA were carebearing while the rest of RISE were fighting, you've since admited yourself thats not the case. The second excuse was that they were fighting in syndicate while the other corps in RISE were fighting on the frontlines, there was minimal force from RISE on the front lines, so are we going to have a third excuse? Let's be clear. I don't think TOA was doing anything other than fighting 100% while they were part of RISE. They left and changed their tune when they re-instated a particular individual as their CEO. That's their perogative, and it doesn't diminish TOA's contribution one whit. It does, however, mean that TOA overnight became a belligerent resident, rather than a partner in Outer Ring. As to CHON -- the evidence supports and documents their activity. That they were occasionally fighting Outbreak in Outer Ring or Syndicate doesn't mean they were directly supporting the alliance or its objectives. Lastly (and not to whisk alone)... as to claims about time zones, let's try to avoid the hypocrisy happening here. The fact of the matter is when prime times don't align, combat is largely less likely to happen. I don't blame RONIN for not being able to field a massive fleet when I am able to play. I don't think that makes them weak or "noobs" and nor do I stoop to the level of insulting them personally because of it. As to what the community knows -- I think the community is very likely to see name-calling rhetoric for what it is. My respect for many of my former colleagues remains strong -- and not because of their battle prowress (well, 'cept for Taurus' FC ability) but because of their hard work as members of our alliance. There's simply no need for the rampant chest-beating and name-calling. EVE makes for strange enemies and strange bedfellows and the time will come when the fighting will be done and standings will be different. Until then, "pew pew pew" and I'll have fun doing it (as will you). Good luck. But I gotta say, I pretty much hope you lose. :)
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.09 04:57:00 - [77] Originally by: Kaylis Tzu I would have to aggree... Are you shocked? Not shocked, Just a little miffed as the thread said they carebeared while the rest were fighting. If the case is now that they were in the wrong space fighting while rise was elsewhere, well then maybe that's the way it should of been said. Quote: I can only recall a handful of times you ever tried to enter our claimed space in OR. You can keep war dec'ing us and try to pick off people in Empire (guess that's not going to well... or did you forget to pay the bill yesterday), but everyone knows how futile empire wardec's are against a 0.0 alliance. We dec'd you and ISS, it doesn't take a clone-technician to work out that it's an isk farming routine and as it goes, they're far from futile. You're just ignorant to what the advantages are (HACs hauling zydrine sure is novel!). Anyway, let's see what happens between ronin and rise, I hope it will leave a more, shall we say, militaristic group in the outer ring, one that is actually worthy of visits. By the way I just got two questions about your alliance claims; do you claim northern syndicate or is it where the map simply overlaps? And do you yet have control of the (only?) system in outer ring that's worth having? [EVE TASK BAR?]
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:47:00 - [78] Edited by: Earthan on 09/11/2006 06:50:08 Hello again Rise and Ronin friends, Rise still playing with lies and half truths eh? I will NOT anwser to all fo them as it serves nothing but the few most blatant: TOA has been proudly fighting in XZH until they told they are quitiing Rise.YOU RISE signed a agreement with TOA and a few eeeks later you wanted to change it , approaching it in very undiplomatic way. Dear Rise i have set up my mind last time there was a forum war on this boards about this conflict as you offended my memory of Norad, and my feeling of simple decency.Couldnt act earlier as felt a bit responsible to Greyc to help setting up in new stystem.Now its stable im rdy. You play with fire you will get your reward: Im leaving in following days Greyc, forming my own corp and coming to help fight friends. From another brillant post by Rise: Quote: Besides, you have evidence that I'm wrong? Isn't anyone curious why BOB allowed NORAD to have Outer Ring so easily? Why do you think they did that? Well im coming for you dear Rise and you will learn how easy it was for Bob and how easy it will be for you , even with only a part of old norad being in Ronin. The moment i leave Greyc you can set me to -10, caue i will be hunting you . - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
Talaris EveningStar Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.11.09 07:00:00 - [79] Edited by: Talaris EveningStar on 09/11/2006 07:00:13 Edited by: Talaris EveningStar on 09/11/2006 07:00:03 Very interesting, the causes of this war from RiSE's point of view ring strangely familiar for some reason.. Well nevermind. Must be just me. smirks __________________________ "Democracy is for the gullible, Tyrrany is for the weak. We, the State, are the answer to both." Security Division - APEX Unlimited
Bror Jace Gallente Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.09 07:22:00 - [80] Originally by: ChronoSphere Time is running out for RONIN No, it's really not
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:25:00 - [81] Originally by: Earthan Edited by: Earthan on 09/11/2006 06:57:44 Edited by: Earthan on 09/11/2006 06:50:08 Hello again Rise and Ronin friends, Rise still playing with lies and half truths eh? I will NOT anwser to all fo them as it serves nothing but the few most blatant: TOA has been proudly fighting in XZH until they told they are quitiing Rise.YOU RISE signed a agreement with TOA and a few eeeks later you wanted to change it , approaching it in very undiplomatic way. Dear Rise i have set up my mind last time there was a forum war on this boards about this conflict as you offended my memory of Norad, and my feeling of simple decency.Couldnt act earlier as felt a bit responsible to Greyc to help setting up in new stystem.Now its stable im rdy. You play with fire you will get your reward: Im leaving in following days Greyc, forming my own corp and coming to help fight friends. From another brillant post by Rise: Quote: Besides, you have evidence that I'm wrong? Isn't anyone curious why BOB allowed NORAD to have Outer Ring so easily? Why do you think they did that? Well im coming for you dear Rise and you will learn how easy it was for Bob and how easy it will be for you , even with only a part of old norad being in Ronin. I still held in alot fo respect for many members but as whole rise/old Fa ( wich is more less same atm i guess) is shame on Eve map for me. The moment i leave Greyc you can set me to -10, caue i will be hunting you . /me salutes Earthan Hey m8, hope to see you in OR soon to do some shootie shootie.
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Pepperami We dec'd you and ISS, it doesn't take a clone-technician to work out that it's an isk farming routine and as it goes, they're far from futile. You're just ignorant to what the advantages are (HACs hauling zydrine sure is novel!). Well I can see hitting ISS with a wardec since they are so industrial, but RISE as an alliance does not do much in empire and we are now primarily PVP corps. We have systems in place to provide what we need safely and only the most noobish or drunk (Eagle with his personal Zyd - in a cell next to Bubba for DUI) pilots ever enter empire accept for an occaisional quick ship. So... if you want to spend the money fine by me, but contrary to what RONIN would like folks to believe we have over 90% of our players in theater (although admittedly when the RONIN corps were part of RISE this was a serious problem we had with many of the 60 corps Fal was talking about and the seemingly "membership for all" policy of the old council). Originally by: Pepperami By the way I just got two questions about your alliance claims; do you claim northern syndicate or is it where the map simply overlaps? And do you yet have control of the (only?) system in outer ring that's worth having? RISE currently claims Outer Ring and those areas of Syndicate only accessable through Outer Ring (ie. EF-F cluster). As to the second question. This system is not in complete control by anyone at this time, but we utilise it's "rescources" on a fairly consistant basis. RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:09:00 - [83] Earthan, I've apologized for that comment you've quoted. If you don't want to accept it then fine. I'd like for you to explain what lies we've told and how we're arrogant? In any event, I don't really care anymore. I'll be fighting you and your friends till the end of the universe now for the way you've insulted me and my friends, until you decide you're mistaken. If I have to fight you by myself, I'll be there. You have fun with that. Before anyone asks, I'm speaking for myself and I'm not a diplomat. Recruitment
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:08:00 - [84] Originally by: Kaylis Tzu Originally by: Pepperami By the way I just got two questions about your alliance claims; do you claim northern syndicate or is it where the map simply overlaps? And do you yet have control of the (only?) system in outer ring that's worth having? RISE currently claims Outer Ring and those areas of Syndicate only accessable through Outer Ring (ie. EF-F cluster). As to the second question. This system is not in complete control by anyone at this time, but we utilise it's "rescources" on a fairly consistant basis. Cheers for answering. Pep [EVE TASK BAR?]
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:26:00 - [85] Originally by: Pepperami Anyway, let's see what happens between ronin and rise, I hope it will leave a more, shall we say, militaristic group in the outer ring, one that is actually worthy of visits. Lets see.. large reletivly powerful alliances like rise, not worth visiting Small releitivly weak alliances (like for instance, ourselves! ) worth visiting on a sometimes hourly basis. What an interesting attitude you guys have.
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.12 11:49:00 - [86] Originally by: Himo Amasacia Lets see.. large reletivly powerful alliances like rise, not worth visiting Small releitivly weak alliances (like for instance, ourselves! ) worth visiting on a sometimes hourly basis. What an interesting attitude you guys have. Well, because I know GALnet considers negative comments a form of smacking, I'll simply say I perceive no differences in your two alliances at this current time. From what I know of Antigo (which is virtually nothing) I can say you're very local and a lot of pilots enjoy shooting local targets. Nothing more, nothing less. Rise gets nowhere near the love or attention we want to give it, but that's the blessing of having a very busy home for them and us. Whatever God they believe in help them if we had nothing better to do This thread is all about rise and not anarchy or antigo though - so if you want more info feel free to mail me or start another thread. Anyway, sorry for almost hijacking this GALnet transmission. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Vallerian Gallente Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.11.13 11:35:00 - [87] Many things changed during the conflict in CR... I can't remember a day that I enjoyed during my time in RISE, after CHON and friends left... At the point, where (some within?) RISE decided that many small Corps should either merge with bigger ones or quit RISE, GALKO was in the intensive process of reforming itself. We targeted a new quality and it's very interesting to read Dhan, Kaylis, Aves and Caldari's statements regarding the results of the RISE reformation, as it's not unfamilar. But we went one step further. As RISE broke it's own charta and many good friends of exNORAD left RISE - the new direction for GALKO was clear and therefore integrated into the end-phase of our reformation-process. We now fight with TOA, CHON and YAK against RISE... and this with a much better presence as a result of the time RISE was not willing to give us anyways. We feel accepted as friends by RONIN...we joined them out of free will... We are very happy that we can offer support...moreover: fighting along with friends makes us even stronger... So...good fighting :)
ChronoSphere Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:17:00 - [88] Edited by: ChronoSphere on 13/11/2006 15:19:33 Yes, very good fighting indeed. Thanks for coming out yesterday to prevent us from recharging a POS's shields. RONIN paid a pretty hefty price though I must say, including a Thanatos class carrier. Final tally after the smoke cleared was: 1 Recon Cruiser 2 Battleships 1 Command Ship 7 Cruisers 4 Interceptors 2 Assault Frigs 1 Thanatos Carrier 12 Pods RISE lost 1 Frig 1 Assault Frig 1 Inty 1 Cruiser 1 Battleship 2 Pods Every operation where RONIN attemps to challenge us fails utterly; their false belief in thinking that they are a match for the military might of RISE cost them a carrier. How long will RONIN let this senseless fight continue? At this rate and poor combat preformance of RONIN fleets, this war is not sustainable to them. With each passing day RISE is proving time and again that we are the true owners of Outer Ring, and that we have a strong claim to our territory. EDIT: The POS is fine :) --------- Lieutenant ChronoSphere, SGHQ Security Division Executive Officer, Battlegroup 2 - The Gunslingers "Aut Vincere Aut More"
Lyndin Honor Guard Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:48:00 - [89] Well done to Rise, ive been following this threat from the Start and it truely seems Rise deserve the Outer Ring. I wise Rise the best luck with the Future, and hope to do some Business in the Area.
Rugs Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:44:00 - [90] Edited by: Rugs on 13/11/2006 19:47:36 Originally by: ChronoSphere Edited by: ChronoSphere on 13/11/2006 15:19:33 Yes, very good fighting indeed. Thanks for coming out yesterday to prevent us from recharging a POS's shields. RONIN paid a pretty hefty price though I must say, including a Thanatos class carrier. Final tally after the smoke cleared was: 1 Recon Cruiser 2 Battleships 1 Command Ship 7 Cruisers 4 Interceptors 2 Assault Frigs 1 Thanatos Carrier 12 Pods RISE lost 1 Frig 1 Assault Frig 1 Inty 1 Cruiser 1 Battleship 2 Pods Every operation where RONIN attemps to challenge us fails utterly; their false belief in thinking that they are a match for the military might of RISE cost them a carrier. How long will RONIN let this senseless fight continue? At this rate and poor combat preformance of RONIN fleets, this war is not sustainable to them. With each passing day RISE is proving time and again that we are the true owners of Outer Ring, and that we have a strong claim to our territory. EDIT: The POS is fine :) Here's the thing, we may have lost a battle last night, then again it doesn't matter because we all have replacements for what we fly and have no problem getting new ones when needed. Checking the KB and oh, still leading even with the carrier loss which should tell something about your effort in this conflict. Then again, add your friends to it (VC, KoS etc etc) and suddenly the numbers doesn't look so good anymore eh? Can we expect a report from every battle here from you guys, sure looks like all 3 of them are here atm :)
ChronoSphere Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.13 20:28:00 - [91] Originally by: Rugs Here's the thing, we may have lost a battle last night, then again it doesn't matter because we all have replacements for what we fly and have no problem getting new ones when needed. Checking the KB and oh, still leading even with the carrier loss which should tell something about your effort in this conflict. Then again, add your friends to it (VC, KoS etc etc) and suddenly the numbers doesn't look so good anymore eh? Can we expect a report from every battle here from you guys, sure looks like all 3 of them are here atm :) From the posts in this GalNet thread it seems that the consistant strategy of RONIN to attempt to spin their defeats into something else is to try to minimize the gravity of the losses they have been sustaining time and time again.\\ Originally by: Gius Adoma Also this is NPC space is it not? so pos's dont matter that much really Originally by: moroti You don't seem to understand that POS's aren't at all relevent in a fight where sovereignty is taken by an NPC faction And of course my personal favorite Originally by: Manc WE DON'T CARE ABOUT %&$ING POS'S These are the responses after RISE's systematic demolition of RONIN starbases throughout Outer Ring and Syndicate. And this is the response after we decimate their fleet and deprive them of a carrier. Originally by:* rugs Here's the thing, we may have lost a battle last night, then again it doesn't matter because we all have replacements for what we fly and have no problem getting new ones when needed. You have a limitless supply of carriers, I suppose? Just like you could just keep throwing up towers for us to knock down for you? Time and time again RONIN seeks to minimze how hard their losses really are. Its a continual pattern it seems, maybe of everyone toeing the party line on spin or maybe a pattern of denial. As for Ban Tier's comments Originally by: Ban Tier And @Whisk: These noobs have even no idea about tactics Are you so sure now? Or would you like to sacrifice more capital ships and another one of your Megathron's for RISE to shoot out from under you? --------- Lieutenant ChronoSphere, SGHQ Security Division Executive Officer, Battlegroup 2 - The Gunslingers "Aut Vincere Aut More"
Vallerian Gallente Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.11.13 20:31:00 - [92] Edited by: Vallerian on 13/11/2006 20:48:55 Edited by: Vallerian on 13/11/2006 20:47:17 Edited by: Vallerian on 13/11/2006 20:32:19 Quote: Every operation where RONIN attemps to challenge us fails utterly; their false belief in thinking that they are a match for the military might of RISE cost them a carrier. How long will RONIN let this senseless fight continue? Dude...wheres that intel from? ^^ As far as I can remember we kicked your asses here and there and you also fled to 4c and docked...we also had good manners and waved good bye after waiting some time for you to come out and play...would have been so much fun... laugh But watching you guys pressing your little noses at the station windows was fun, too... giggle Don't sum things up like that...there are always good and bad times :) ~Val [**** typos...]
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.13 21:25:00 - [93] Edited by: Zirator on 13/11/2006 21:26:54 Originally by: ChronoSphere Originally by: Rugs Here's the thing, we may have lost a battle last night, then again it doesn't matter because we all have replacements for what we fly and have no problem getting new ones when needed. Checking the KB and oh, still leading even with the carrier loss which should tell something about your effort in this conflict. Then again, add your friends to it (VC, KoS etc etc) and suddenly the numbers doesn't look so good anymore eh? Can we expect a report from every battle here from you guys, sure looks like all 3 of them are here atm :) From the posts in this GalNet thread it seems that the consistant strategy of RONIN to attempt to spin their defeats into something else is to try to minimize the gravity of the losses they have been sustaining time and time again.\\ From the posts in this Galnet thread it seems that the consistant strategy of the "minister of (mis)information" from the Rice alliance is to turn a won battle into a claim that they won the war.
Ban Tier Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:22:00 - [94] Originally by: ChronoSphere As for Ban Tier's comments Originally by: Ban Tier And @Whisk: These noobs have even no idea about tactics Are you so sure now? Or would you like to sacrifice more capital ships and another one of your Megathron's for RISE to shoot out from under you? We will use every ship what is needed to break your fine alliance of chickens. You can blob us, you will win some fights. But we will kill you on a daily basis. You will seen. And as long as you have not the balls to jump into one of our camps if we have equal numbers and guns, like we had tonight in P-N @ gate ZQP, I would really not post if I were you. You might call this ofc tactics, I call it cowards ... Hug stations with your carriers if you like, play the docking games, we will continue to search for your pilots and kill them, one by one. And we will risk our ships, cause that is the reason why we have build them. Even the capital ones. I know you can not understand this, many other ppl can ... Ban CEO Times of Ancar
Gius Adoma Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:30:00 - [95] Heh yeah where is RICE's victory today? Gang in ZQP of 20 odd and 12 VC friends in EF-F and us in P-N with 20 odd ships. And you wouldnt come out and play, except send that silly shuttle back and forth! Thats called chicken not tactics or being almighty at all. = Times of Ancar = < THE R0NIN >
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:21:00 - [96] Originally by: Rugs Checking the KB and oh, still leading even with the carrier loss which should tell something about your effort in this conflict. Then again, add your friends to it (VC, KoS etc etc) and suddenly the numbers doesn't look so good anymore eh? so RISE, an alliance nearly 800 people strong needs another alliance Vertigo Coalition (around 200 people) and even one more alliance Knight of Syndicate (around 100 people) + some other corps to not even reach RONIN's (around 270 people) success when it comes to kill comparisons (with only RISE kills counted, not even calculated in the losses of all the others...)? simply that means nearly 1100 people cant manage to bring it on. i guess i am not the only one who thinks that something isnt right there eh? go on with trying to boost your moral, temporary residents of the outer ring, but this is a pretty poor picture and you know it - i had a good laugh tho. but at least you all seem to have some fun and this is what counts!
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.14 01:27:00 - [97] I was present at ZQP and as you stated you had equal numbers and yet RONIN did not attack. RONIN had a stronger fleet with more experience pilots and they did not engage us in ZQP. In fact, we began pursueing your 14 ship gang with our 8 man gang when you left D5I. You met up with a couple other guys and even though we had grown to 12 you still had us outnumbered by at least 4-5 ships and yet you never attacked. Strategy is all about dictating the battlefield and forcing your enemy to attack on your terms. We had no reason to go into EF- because friendly forces already had the system secured so unlike RONIN being forced to protect their "%#@% POS's" we had no reason to jump into a fleet with stonger numbers. We were weren't docked... We weren't hiding... We were in the system next to you with fewer and less skilled pilots, but on even ground you chose not to engage and instead to retreat to 3KNK and begin to dock and log... Ultimately, RONIN continues to whine about our forces not engaging when the RONIN blob comes into system while those same pilots laugh in local about how pointless it is for us to try to come after them because they will just dock and waste our time. (I can provide many local logs including today's from 3KNK where they joke about the same thing you try to dog us for) You don't hear us complaining that you don't have forces on for us to engage during our primetime. We don't call RONIN pilots noobs or all the assorted selection that you have displayed in this forum. We just continue to engage all available targets and systematically dismantle your ability to wage war during the 20 hours a day that your pilots rarely show their faces our space. Ohh, and to the friendly forces fighting with us. We welcome any forces who have been aggressed or displaced by RONIN to assist elimination of a common threat. Some of them where displaced by RONIN moving into EF and surrounding areas and simply want there home back and some are allies that RONIN has engaged before the RISE/RONIN conflict that have decided to assist us because we stood with them during their conflict. We don't need anyone to fight our battles but we will not turn away groups who see the threat of RONIN as an ubalancing force in the area. Keep spining the losses and explaining away your defeats to your membership. Killboards don't reflect the BILLIONS of losses that RONIN has sustained in destroyed POS's or loss of high-end moon minerals. From RONIN's boards... RONIN have caused 3.8 billion in losses to RISE while sustaining 3.4 billion in losses. This is 52% effectiveness... BUT include 3-5 billion in lost POS's and between 2-3 billion a week in lost moon mineral revenues and it's a different picture. RISE losses: 3.8 billion + 700 mil (2 small placeholder POS on ex-RONIN moons) = 4.5 billion RONIN losses: 3.4 bill (ships) + 4.2 bill (7 POS's) + 5.2 bill (conservative total) = 12.8 billion 4.5/17.3bil (total losses) = 26% RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Saal Iverson 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.14 08:22:00 - [98] jesus. you lot still at it? This reminds me of 2 inbred twins trying to whack each other over the head with inflatable *****'s
Gius Adoma Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.14 08:54:00 - [99] dont forget all the VC losses to add to it! as you needed them to take down the big pos = Times of Ancar = < THE R0NIN >
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2006.11.14 10:59:00 - [100] Originally by: Gius Adoma dont forget all the VC losses to add to it! as you needed them to take down the big pos I'd imagine them to be VC losses, not RISE losses. \| BMBE ISK Loans \| Skills Showroom \| 599105 \|
Gius Adoma Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:19:00 - [101] That is true, but without VC our losses would be less also, so goes both ways! = Times of Ancar = < THE R0NIN >
Lyndin Honor Guard Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.14 15:53:00 - [102] Originally by: Schneiderr Originally by: Rugs Checking the KB and oh, still leading even with the carrier loss which should tell something about your effort in this conflict. Then again, add your friends to it (VC, KoS etc etc) and suddenly the numbers doesn't look so good anymore eh? so RISE, an alliance nearly 800 people strong needs another alliance Vertigo Coalition (around 200 people) and even one more alliance Knight of Syndicate (around 100 people) + some other corps to not even reach RONIN's (around 270 people) success when it comes to kill comparisons (with only RISE kills counted, not even calculated in the losses of all the others...)? simply that means nearly 1100 people cant manage to bring it on. i guess i am not the only one who thinks that something isnt right there eh? go on with trying to boost your moral, temporary residents of the outer ring, but this is a pretty poor picture and you know it - i had a good laugh tho. but at least you all seem to have some fun and this is what counts! Friends help Friends :) Throught you of all people, from D2, would understand about that. Meaning Razor/D2/Morsus Mihi/ etc all help each other. Anyways nothing to do with me. Keeping out of this now. CEO Honor Guard Inc <3
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.14 20:46:00 - [103] Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 14/11/2006 20:47:15 Originally by: Gius Adoma That is true, but without VC our losses would be less also, so goes both ways! Ask and ye shall receive... Let's add them... Even though: 1. They are their own entity acting independently and were under attack by Chon and friends prior to the RISE/Ronin conflict. 2. They did not have more than 10 of the 100 ships during the D5IW assault and although we welcomed their assistance it would be safe to assume that RISE would have still destroyed the POS with the 80+ BS and support and 10 CAP ships even if VC hadn't been there. 3. The other 6 POS's we have destroyed have not involved VC's forces(outside of 1 or 2 who came to watch the fireworks). RISE + VC losses: 3.8 billion (RISE since 10/20) + 700 mil (2 small placeholder POS on ex-RONIN moons) + 1.5 billion (VC since 10/01)= 6 billion RONIN losses: 3.4 bill (ships) + 4.2 bill (7 POS's) + 5.2 bill (conservative total) + 500 mil (VC kills) = 13.3 billion 6 bil/19.3 bil (total losses) = 31% So... Although 31% is better than 26% I doubt that this stat is really what you were hoping to prove you point with. (PS. Let's not forget those pilots and outside groups that RONIN has flying with and assisting them too. We don't fault you for it, but let's not pretend that we don't all welcome friendly assistance when available.) RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
PreTender Amarr R0NIN Industrial THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.14 22:40:00 - [104] Edited by: PreTender on 14/11/2006 22:40:28 Quote: 5.2 bill (conservative total hmm right ok lets add some numbers to our side then because of the long waiting time in 3knk and other systems we where forced to shoot some npc's at the gate wich could be shot by rise members if they where present. This results in atleast 1-2bil in bounties lost to rise since they did not kill the rats. We also have people stripmining nm-oea wich results in atleast 5bil isk losses a week to rise because they cant mine the crokite. __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com http://www.eve-wiki.net
PreTender Amarr R0NIN Industrial THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.14 23:02:00 - [105] Edited by: PreTender on 14/11/2006 23:05:36 __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com http://www.eve-wiki.net
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.11.15 00:24:00 - [106] Edited by: Hull Cleaver on 15/11/2006 00:27:12 Its been a while since I looked at this post and I can see why. Its hard to believe two groups of people that have known each other for so long have reduced themselves to such a petty bunch of squabbling and crying. I have been a bystander for weeks during both the Toxin invasion and the conflict with YouWhat. I have watched the RISE guys (before Chon left) as My corp was in their employee as scouts. I think it is unfortunate that the differences were so great that it cause the parties to go their different ways. Had you been able to work things out it would have been a lucrative venture for all involved. I wanted to point out that prior to Ronnin, I personally never saw dreads or capital ships undocked in defense of the alliance. We were present at all major actions and it just didnt happen. This seems to be the biggest issue I have heard when talking with the troops that remained in RISE. From the other side of the fence, I am concerned that Ronnin may have a legitimate beef if in fact there was a break in contractual agreements issued by RISE. My biggest concern right now is the little guys involved in this. I was told that the pockets of Ronnin ran very deep from all the billions of isk in moon minerals, yet there seems to be descention in the ranks from the little guys and new recruits because the conflict has nearly broke their banks. Many don't go to skirmish because they only have one decent ship left and need it for ratting...I believe this may stand true from both sides. I wouldnt mind seeing the group reform into a super power sometime soon. Both sides have displayed good strategies, initiative and will to keep the area controlled. Perhaps life would be better if you did it together and get your lower ranked guys out there making money instead of camping gates. Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
Arraka CHON THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.15 09:55:00 - [107] Originally by: ChronoSphere RONIN's pilots know this - they know how badly they have suffered during this conflict, know the inevability of the outcome, know the resolve, the strength and skill of RISE's pilots and leaders, the organization, and the strength of the oiled war machine that RISE has become. It is only a matter of time gentlemen. I didn't know this, thanks for telling. ***, I need better intel. trembles in fear from TEH oiled war machine* Originally by: PreTender Quote: 5.2 bill (conservative total hmm right ok lets add some numbers to our side then because of the long waiting time in 3knk and other systems we where forced to shoot some npc's at the gate wich could be shot by rise members if they where present. This results in atleast 1-2bil in bounties lost to rise since they did not kill the rats. We also have people stripmining nm-oea wich results in atleast 5bil isk losses a week to rise because they cant mine the crokite. I would also add 10-20bil ego damage dealt by G by abusing Vache's corpse. So we are back again on 70% efficiency :).
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.15 10:55:00 - [108] Edited by: vache on 15/11/2006 10:55:23 Originally by: Arraka Originally by: ChronoSphere RONIN's pilots know this - they know how badly they have suffered during this conflict, know the inevability of the outcome, know the resolve, the strength and skill of RISE's pilots and leaders, the organization, and the strength of the oiled war machine that RISE has become. It is only a matter of time gentlemen. I didn't know this, thanks for telling. ***, I need better intel. trembles in fear from TEH oiled war machine* Originally by: PreTender Yes, you do need better intel amigo. As for fearing the well oiled war machine....you need not fear it since your demise is inevitable anyway. Quote: 5.2 bill (conservative total hmm right ok lets add some numbers to our side then because of the long waiting time in 3knk and other systems we where forced to shoot some npc's at the gate wich could be shot by rise members if they where present. This results in atleast 1-2bil in bounties lost to rise since they did not kill the rats. We also have people stripmining nm-oea wich results in atleast 5bil isk losses a week to rise because they cant mine the crokite. I would also add 10-20bil ego damage dealt by G by abusing Vache's corpse. So we are back again on 70% efficiency :). Well, he'd have to abuse a corpse since thats the only way he's gonna get any :P Iirc it was manc that killed me? Not G. Come on G, still waiting for ya On a final note, i'd like to say that i see this situation as utterly disgusting. The extent to which "The Ronny" have lowerd themselves in recent times is beneath them all. I, along with the entirety of the Rise command team do not hold this against their general membership.We know their acts of ill-taste and bad manner to be the result of misguided and dillusional leadership from Ban Tier, Shivaja and G. When the dawn breaks, and the membership of the aforementioned alliance realises its leaders are leading them to doom, Rise will, as we have done before, offer amnesty to those who wish to leave and go elsewhere. For those who wish to remain with "The Ronny", you will continue to the force of our flood waters beat against the walls of your fort. It is only a short matter of time untill you have been washed away with nothing to show for your suffering. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Vache REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of External Affairs.
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.15 14:21:00 - [109] I must say that im glad to see the battle hardened pilots of old NORAD finally creating an alliance for the sole purpose of killing stuff rather than doing the whole goody two shoes alliance thing again, as we all know this leads to nothing in the long run. Hopefully good fights are being had by all, not heard too many good things about Rise so far so hopefully they can try harder ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Arwen Atreides CHON THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.15 18:53:00 - [110] This galnet channel is quickly becomming tiresome. Nothing has ever been gained from this pointless sandbox chatter: "I shot you!!" "No you didn't, I have my uber blob shields" "Oh yeah?? My super uber anti-blob galnet propaganda will make everyone forget reality!!" What matters is action, not the pointless 'official statements' and arguing about numbers. We will all know the reality of this conflict by fighting it through and seeing who has the will to keep fighting in the end. I don't think RISE or RONIN can claim to have reached that point yet, nor can either dismiss the continued ability of both sides to do damage. Lets keep this on the battlefield where it belongs. -
LoKesh Amarr InQuest Ascension Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:29:00 - [111] Originally by: Gius Adoma dont forget all the VC losses to add to it! as you needed them to take down the big pos I haven't yet seen a good tally of the VC versus R0nin kills. Our killboard is lacking things I've seen happen (due to some IP issues) and the R0nin one (although a very good attempt at being truthful) is also missing some notable kills. That being said - Many of the larger VC losses happened early in the conflict and have since dropped off. And now that someone finally mentioned lost POS profits... you should consider how much time your towers spent not mining due to VC assaults. Loss of future profits/interruption of supply lines is what wins wars. With a group like R0nin, that seems to be rather rich we won't see the effect immediately, but we will see it.
Galdoth BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.16 07:47:00 - [112] Originally by: Arwen Atreides This galnet channel is quickly becomming tiresome. Nothing has ever been gained from this pointless sandbox chatter: "I shot you!!" "No you didn't, I have my uber blob shields" "Oh yeah?? My super uber anti-blob galnet propaganda will make everyone forget reality!!" What matters is action, not the pointless 'official statements' and arguing about numbers. We will all know the reality of this conflict by fighting it through and seeing who has the will to keep fighting in the end. I don't think RISE or RONIN can claim to have reached that point yet, nor can either dismiss the continued ability of both sides to do damage. Lets keep this on the battlefield where it belongs. signed /..
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2006.11.16 11:59:00 - [113] Im not part of ronin so i realyl odnt know much but to these replies.. Yes i think ronin looses some isk due to the poses losses, but remmber guys bob, smash+goons, and imperium all had major fleet dominance and killed Norad poses. and it didnt matter in end.Its all about will to stay in the region. And remmber you guys also loose tons of isk not being able to mine in nm not being able to npc in many systems being all time on war scrmble alert, so these speculations are really very unprecise. Yuo fight, we fight, we will see. - A knight in space,war veteran. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Valandril Caldari Eve guardians Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.18 13:57:00 - [114] Originally by: Earthan IAnd remmber you guys also loose tons of isk not being able to mine in nm not being able to npc in many systems being all time on war scrmble alert, so these speculations are really very unprecise. Yuo fight, we fight, we will see. Its interesting because both, galko and ronin states that they DON'T need to do npcing, mining. And then i see them trying to rat in ef pocket with at least 2wcses fited... Pro ?
Haloe Minmatar Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.18 16:07:00 - [115] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: Earthan IAnd remmber you guys also loose tons of isk not being able to mine in nm not being able to npc in many systems being all time on war scrmble alert, so these speculations are really very unprecise. Yuo fight, we fight, we will see. Its interesting because both, galko and ronin states that they DON'T need to do npcing, mining. And then i see them trying to rat in ef pocket with at least 2wcses fited... Pro ? Your emphasis was perhaps off: 'don't NEED' as opposed to 'DON'T need'. At least, once I sorted through your random comma placements, that's what I surmised. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Valandril Caldari Eve guardians Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:45:00 - [116] Edited by: Valandril on 18/11/2006 18:46:09 Originally by: Haloe Originally by: Valandril Originally by: Earthan IAnd remmber you guys also loose tons of isk not being able to mine in nm not being able to npc in many systems being all time on war scrmble alert, so these speculations are really very unprecise. Yuo fight, we fight, we will see. Its interesting because both, galko and ronin states that they DON'T need to do npcing, mining. And then i see them trying to rat in ef pocket with at least 2wcses fited... Pro ? Your emphasis was perhaps off: 'don't NEED' as opposed to 'DON'T need'. At least, once I sorted through your random comma placements, that's what I surmised. Thanks for explaning what is purpose of ratting when you don't need money. For sure you are not looking for fight, unless u always pvp with wcses (what is pretty common in ronin ships).
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.11.18 21:19:00 - [117] @Vala, first, YOU don't see anything, because you never get out of the station! Second, where you "see" any WCS of any warships? Third, where have GALKO announce that we don't need to mine/hunting/mission? 4th, EVE G ist only talking, never fighting. So I don't understand what EVE G wants in upper sydicate/outer ring? http://pietschmann.it/tmp/footer/gfooter.php/3/Shyra%20Storm/gfooter.png Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Valandril Caldari Eve guardians Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.18 21:52:00 - [118] Originally by: Shyra Storm @Vala, first, YOU don't see anything, because you never get out of the station! Second, where you "see" any WCS of any warships? Third, where have GALKO announce that we don't need to mine/hunting/mission? 4th, EVE G ist only talking, never fighting. So I don't understand what EVE G wants in upper sydicate/outer ring? Hmm if we don't fight, we only talk, from where that came from Quote: 2006.11.18 00:36 Victim: mistysteel Alliance: None Corp: Gallente Kombinat Destroyed: Megathron System: C0T-77 Security: 0.0 Quote: 2006.11.18 00:30 Victim: Lachschlappen Alliance: None Corp: Gallente Kombinat Destroyed: Ishkur System: C0T-77 Security: 0.0 Thats from yday, i think its nice for "we only talk" corp.Also about me all time in station, lets make you mini rpg game =D You are undocking, u notice 2xraven, u are in dominix. What you do ? 1. Dock 2. Engage them 3. Logout About wcs, 2 time ur ratters runned me after scrambling, shoot me if i remember names. Cheers =D
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.11.18 23:51:00 - [119] Wow, two kills! And how many losses? http://pietschmann.it/tmp/footer/gfooter.php/3/Shyra%20Storm/gfooter.png Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Rugs Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.18 23:54:00 - [120] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: Shyra Storm @Vala, first, YOU don't see anything, because you never get out of the station! Second, where you "see" any WCS of any warships? Third, where have GALKO announce that we don't need to mine/hunting/mission? 4th, EVE G ist only talking, never fighting. So I don't understand what EVE G wants in upper sydicate/outer ring? Hmm if we don't fight, we only talk, from where that came from Quote: 2006.11.18 00:36 Victim: mistysteel Alliance: None Corp: Gallente Kombinat Destroyed: Megathron System: C0T-77 Security: 0.0 Quote: 2006.11.18 00:30 Victim: Lachschlappen Alliance: None Corp: Gallente Kombinat Destroyed: Ishkur System: C0T-77 Security: 0.0 Thats from yday, i think its nice for "we only talk" corp.Also about me all time in station, lets make you mini rpg game =D You are undocking, u notice 2xraven, u are in dominix. What you do ? 1. Dock 2. Engage them 3. Logout About wcs, 2 time ur ratters runned me after scrambling, shoot me if i remember names. Cheers =D Dude you can fit your whole PvP career in one reply in this thread, that should tell a lot about you... Please show me where i've had WCS on my combat ships, can't wait.
Valandril Caldari Eve guardians Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 00:39:00 - [121] Edited by: Valandril on 19/11/2006 00:47:10 Edited by: Valandril on 19/11/2006 00:40:14 Ok ladies, relax Rugs: i did not post anything about u using wcses, ur fine but if cut that smacktalking :P Now galko, lets see Quote: [00:25:36] Shyra Storm > http://kb.eve-ronin.org/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=3742 <-- LOLOLOLOLOL! When i look at kill list, i see clearly that u don't post your losses., 2 examples stated above. OMFG OWNED ? :P
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.19 01:03:00 - [122] Originally by: Valandril OMFG OWNED ? :P I think to be "OMFG OWNED" as you so succinctly put it then you should have a better argument than "GALKO losses don't appear as RONIN losses". Rugs uses WCS, I've seen his secret stash. He roxorz though.
Psionicinversion	Posted - 2006.11.19 01:36:00 - [123] ok for the POS's i cant comment but they were mostly ones left over from when they were in rise maybe unused maybe they were who cares its a pointy thing with a few buildings around it. as for the were losing so much money from pos's not moon mining, well we arent dunno if they were mining but we all kinda provide our own isks we arent dependant on something for the whole alliance. so you may have affected a handful of ppl, woopy doo. The stuff about we were equal in number yet we stayed a cpl jumps out and didnt fight well maybe our gang was in a system that gave us a more strategic advantage in terms on killing you or having a bit more warning incase you tried sandwich with a second fleet. I do agree though that you rarely attack with equal numbers usually having to out number us, but thats kinda the same with any alliance wanting to try say we have more muscle so keep out or face the wrath. Which doesnt impress anyone really. On the subject of just flying off and docking and logging and you say its cus were scared nope we'd fly off cus were bored or decide to go harrass someone somewhere else. The reason why we log off is becuase, now prepare yourselves for this, we have a life we have to do other stuff. Like go the pub meet up with friends alot of ppl need do family stuff cus they have kids. Theres many reasons and it aint becuase were scared of ya. On the carrier loss as i understood there were 4 carriers going to jump in on your position but cus of a bug with something in the game it randomly spawned 3 of the other carriers somewhere in the system, so a carrier cant deflect that much damage. Dunno why you lot were so surprised at us shooting ya and thinking oh theres a reason behind it; ummm before we joined rise for the brief time we generally shot everything not blue in the area. Now you arent blue so oh shock horror were shooting ya, its that simple. I aint exactly sure why the alliance was created spose its a good way of having us all under one title (easier refer to). We arent the best in game we aint the worst, its a collection of ppl fed up with general alliance bull**. i know i am. oh ya cant shoot these, why? you cant do that, why? i do what i god ** please always have always will. I dont understand why theres these official alliance statements saying stuff. Ppl its a game, who cares maybe your just the kind of ppl who have no life, no friends except in a game and lives in a world of your own. Think ive covered just about everything i wanted say so heres one last thing to say aimed directly at rise:- Get a pair and use em, and stop posting rubbish in these forums it just makes ya look sad and pathetic. Im only posting cus of the amount of whining going on. umm so yah i may reply to any posts concerning this post i might not pends if i can be bothered. Peace out --------------------------------------- http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload1/psi.jpg
PreTender Amarr R0NIN Industrial THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.19 10:55:00 - [124] Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 19/11/2006 00:47:10 Edited by: Valandril on 19/11/2006 00:40:14 Ok ladies, relax Rugs: i did not post anything about u using wcses, ur fine but if cut that smacktalking :P Now galko, lets see Quote: [00:25:36] Shyra Storm > http://kb.eve-ronin.org/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=3742 <-- LOLOLOLOLOL! When i look at kill list, i see clearly that u don't post your losses., 2 examples stated above. OMFG OWNED ? :P try looking for galko losses on the galko killboard ? this is the ronin board galko are friends but not ronin __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com http://www.eve-wiki.net
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:28:00 - [125] @Vala, when you looking very exactly, you should know that there are missing some losses of EVE G ships too. Because, my friends told it, thats not an GALKO killboard. Hint: Read and think before you answering...! But you (and myself too) becomes offtopic in this thread. Thats an RISE offical statement thread. Send me (or Rugs) mails, if you want to smalltalk or some good hints about really pvp... http://pietschmann.it/tmp/footer/gfooter.php/3/Shyra%20Storm/gfooter.png Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip

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