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Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:30:00 - [91] So what you are saying is that if people could 'warp to 0km' you won't be able to pirate?
Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:37:00 - [92] Originally by: Shameless Avenger So what you are saying is that if people could 'warp to 0km' you won't be able to pirate? That's what he was saying until his arguments were shot down. Now he's just going on an aimless anti-kali rant. Morons like this will cry doom and gloom every upgrade, the biggest favor you can do yourself is to click the 'back' button on your browser and read a more entertaining thread.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:41:00 - [93] Yup... I was just being sarcastisc :D
Marcus TheMartin Gallente CURSED LEGION OF DOOM Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:42:00 - [94] Originally by: Shameless Avenger So what you are saying is that if people could 'warp to 0km' you won't be able to pirate? You could still pirate but the only profit would really be in ransoming and occasional "lucky" loot drops (or NAPs) The Best Thing I've ever seen in local chat [15:17:21] sotmassacer > can someone give me a big battleship for a while
Skraelingz Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:42:00 - [95] what person older than a month doesnt have instas? So lemme get this straight you guys get off on killing noobs? grats i guess. -----------------------------------------------
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:43:00 - [96] Most prepared people have insta's, they will also know how to react and how to fit their ship, you won't catch them that easily unless you have a few commandships or BS's at the gate tanking sentry fire. The ones the OP seems to be pointing at (and possibly praying on) are the ones that AREN'T prepared. They will slowboat in their full cargo expander haulers and/or use other useless setups while playing the game semi-AFK brainwise. Those are easy targets and a number of those might now actually use the 'warp to 0' option. Still, a ton of them won't because they're well... not too smart. Now people say that low sec will become safer (which to a degree is true) and they moan about it. Yet 5 seconds ago in another thread they moaned how people stay in high sec all the time and they are sissies and all that for now going into lowsec/0.0. I'd tell those to stop going with the flow and make up your mind. But those people forget one thing; If people percieve low sec to be safe you'll have more of them there. That means more people being on AP, or making a mistake and not wapring to 0, more people to LEAVE a gate, more people in the belts and more people doing missions in their fully T2/faction Ravens... thus more targets This is a bad thing how? -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:44:00 - [97] Said before: the people effected negativly by this change is far in the minority. Server performance needs to be increased for the pleasure of everybody and therefor the instant bookmarks has to go, all of them. Removing them without giving this option would be a very poor decision as long travel times are without question the most often reason to why people quit the game after a couple of days. And please do not start spurting crap about how CCP should reduce the intake of new players just to please easy ganks. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Marcus TheMartin Gallente CURSED LEGION OF DOOM Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:52:00 - [98] Originally by: Skraelingz what person older than a month doesnt have instas? null You'd be surprised The Best Thing I've ever seen in local chat [15:17:21] sotmassacer > can someone give me a big battleship for a while
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:52:00 - [99] Meh, just allow small warp bubbles, not interdictors bubbles, to be placed in 0.1 to 0.4. Problem solved and leave the warp to 0 option in there to free up the server resources. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:57:00 - [100] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Skraelingz what person older than a month doesnt have instas? You'd be surprised Yeah, but the idiots will still be slowboating in on autopilot. This feature removes hassle and (yay) lag, and is replacing a game mechanic who everyone in the know is using. I don't see why anyone should be against this. It's win-win. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:58:00 - [101] All warps to 10km instead of 15km Remove MWD sig penalty. Buff AB. Make haulers able to use MWD without contortions. Gate scanner - Device on a ship to see whats on the other side of the gate. Make map use the old settings (see the exact # of people in a system) Fixed There ya go. Balance.
Tractormech	Posted - 2006.11.04 08:59:00 - [102] As far as I have heard, there is nothing or no one saying this is going in with Kali. So why all the fuss about it? You have no idea if it even is a change yet. Just becuase its on the test server doesn't mean its coming. This has been on the test server before. Maybe CCP just wanted to see the immediate reaction without having to actually put it on tranq.
Electric Cucumber Amarr Extinction Level Event	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:01:00 - [103] just go to low sec and watch a gate for a while and you'll be surprised how many haulers and other ships DO NOT HAVE ANY BOOKMARKS. Now that everyone will be using BM's ALLOW BUBBLES FOR PVP'S SAKE. What's next uber sentry guns to protect belts?
Merciless1 Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:02:00 - [104] You all get an "F" fpr reading comprihension(sp?). My argument is not for bookmarks, it's against bm's AND warp to 0, I wan't both gone. I keep getting the some old carebear bs. "you want to gank noobs and haulers and snipe you griefer bastard blah blah blah". None of this is true, I want running away to be harder, If you come into low-sec you should come prepared to defend your self, sure some may get away, but right now it's too many. It's just too easy to run. I want good fights with experienced ppl but I'll still shoot at anything that moves. Quote: Now people say that low sec will become safer (which to a degree is true) and they moan about it. Yet 5 seconds ago in another thread they moaned how people stay in high sec all the time and they are sissies and all that for now going into lowsec/0.0. I'd tell those to stop going with the flow and make up your mind. I'm not saying people are sisses for not coming to low-sec, peolpe don't come to low-sec because the risk is not worth the reward, I say buf low-sec, better bounties, better minerals. i want people to go there because they want to take the risk to make that extra isk, not becuase the think it's safe. People may come to low-sec unprepared if they think it is safe, unprepared targets is hardly a challange. Quote: Meh, just allow small warp bubbles, not interdictors bubbles, to be placed in 0.1 to 0.4. Problem solved and leave the warp to 0 option in there to free up the server resources. I don't want to gate camp, it sucks for the attacker and the attacked, I want people in the belts in protected mining ops and ratters. Quote: That's what he was saying until his arguments were shot down. Now he's just going on an aimless anti-kali rant. Morons like this will cry doom and gloom every upgrade, the biggest favor you can do yourself is to click the 'back' button on your browser and read a more entertaining thread. I have yet to see an good argument against me other than ppl that misread the post and think I want insta's back or people such as your ignorant self you say "omg pirate noob killing griefer screw you" wich is hardly a counter point. If you have nothing constructive left to say that I would thank you to leave. In the end the certainly doesn't put a stop to piracy, it just tips an already unbalanced scale in the wrong direction.
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:07:00 - [105] As far as warp to 0km Its exactly the same thing as using instas. What's the difference? Who doesn't use instas besides newbs? Those vets who say they're against it...YOU use instas... Pfft. Hypocracy. As far as piracy, it will simply evolve. You can't get too comfortable with the game mechanics, you have to roll with the punches and adapt.
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:07:00 - [106] Am I the only one who thinks that this will lead to MORE PvP and MORE targets? People currently only travel or PvP or move valuable items where they have instas. Warp to 0 will mean more people in lowsec and 0.0. Lowsec and 0.0 won't be the scary instant death that it is now to newer players. Pretty much everything worth killing you catch on the jump in side of the gate anyways, nothing new really except less lag and more targets.
Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:12:00 - [107] Originally by: Merciless1 You all get an "F" fpr reading comprihension(sp?). My argument is not for bookmarks, it's against bm's AND warp to 0, I wan't both gone. I keep getting the some old carebear bs. "you want to gank noobs and haulers and snipe you griefer bastard blah blah blah". None of this is true, I want running away to be harder, If you come into low-sec you should come prepared to defend your self, sure some may get away, but right now it's too many. It's just too easy to run. I want good fights with experienced ppl but I'll still shoot at anything that moves. I get the feeling that your idea of playing the game is sitting on a border gate and sniping targets of opportunity, because if you played any other way you would know that this is the worst "solution" to the bookmark problem ever to be posted. Wave goodbye to PvP of any kind as players are confined to a 5-system radius of their home station because it takes too long to get anywhere. Please, just stop posting.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:23:00 - [108] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/11/2006 09:24:44 Originally by: Phelan Lore Am I the only one who thinks that this will lead to MORE PvP and MORE targets? People currently only travel or PvP or move valuable items where they have instas. Warp to 0 will mean more people in lowsec and 0.0. Lowsec and 0.0 won't be the scary instant death that it is now to newer players. Pretty much everything worth killing you catch on the jump in side of the gate anyways, nothing new really except less lag and more targets. This is exacly what im thinking too. With instas, more people will travel through low sec because they feel more secure. Im willing to bet that there are lots more people scanning gates than using scouts, so this change should mean more ransoms/kills for pirates. One thing though. CCP better make sure that people cant just log off when they jump through a gate and see that its camped. So the timer before disappearing in space must be increased imo. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Mouse15 Caldari Pelican Industries	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:39:00 - [109] Edited by: Mouse15 on 04/11/2006 09:43:24 Im not sure if im correct in the things im saying here and i dont have time to read teh whole thread but ill say it anyway... From what i have heard, or read, you only warp to 0km if you do it yourself?... and i think i read somewhere that the autopilot would still warp you 15km from a gate? So for anyone stupid enough to go afk through low sec space they would still be going to 15km from a gate... And for anyone else who already have thousands of instas all over teh place it woudln't make a differnce other than getting rid of bookmarks... In which case i dont see any problem with it.... although i havent really thought about it in depth or anything.... but it seems ok to me... Again im not sure if what im saying is correct its just what ive read...
Merciless1 Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:43:00 - [110] Well this is my last post as it's rather late here. Theres been good points on both sides. Yes I belive that it will bring more ppl to low-sec, conversly it will also make them ore difficult to catch, we will see how these thing balance out over the coming months. It all boils down to local really, It bothers me that when I enter a system everbody is immediatly alerted to my presence and the are give ample time to "warp to 0" at any gate or station, this makes them invunerable, the devs have stated that local will be removed eventually which should change things a bit. I the end I hope that everything will balance out. Believe it or not I don't want easy kills, but I don't want you to have such any easy escape. Living in low-sec should mean constantly looking over your shoulder which it's not atm, local, insta's deep safes, etc, it's just too much. I belive that the defender should always have an advantage over the attacker, I just feel that right now that advantage is too great. Anyway that's my 0.2 cents nn everybody
Futher Bezluden Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.04 09:58:00 - [111] 0km warp to... yeah, like everyone doesn't have instas already. How does this possibly change anything? True hell bent pirates are just going to camp waiting for people to jump in and *****them as they try to achieve warp. btw... how many pirates use instas to get out of binds? ALL? The thought of CCP stripping out all instas without acceptable "Warp to... " replacements built in are a bit more of a pain in the ass than the idea of 0km warp. THUKKER -Be Paranoid
Michayel Lyon Contention Inc	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:05:00 - [112] Originally by: Merciless1 As I've said I'm done with this thread, but for those that continue to discuss think about this. Correct my if I'm wrong but as th OP said, won't this hurt bubble camps since ppl can now insta from any point in any system, have to cover so many trajectories would make it rather difficult if not impossible? AFAIK, you can completely shut down a gate using 6 disruptor bubbles, or 1 interdictor bubble placed right on top of the gate. --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:06:00 - [113] Sensorboosted plated cruisers are your battleships best friend in lowsec gate piracy. Just move your camp to the other side of the gate. I can only hope the inflated feeling of saftey brings more people to lowsec Boohoohoo and a bottle of glum ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Necroborg The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:06:00 - [114] /signed OOP is spot on. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Razed7	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:20:00 - [115] Chuck Norris approves warp to 0km. // If Chuck Norris played Eve he'd gank your alliance in his pod.
NightmareX Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.04 10:59:00 - [116] Originally by: Merciless1 the devs have stated that local will be removed eventually which should change things a bit. As far as i can see, the local is not going to be removed for a loooooong time, just look here. Link And yeah, i'm up for the Small Warp Bubble in low sec if the bookmarks is going to be removed.
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:07:00 - [117] The reduction in People and Places loading lag I'll get from being able to delete 20,000+ gate to gate instas far outweighs my sympathy for lowsec gate snipers. Perhaps now you'll have to, I don't know, have a tackler and be prepared to jump into the next system to catch your prey- or go to 0.0 with a dictor or a bubble.
Nev Clavain Wise Guys	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:11:00 - [118] Well some people seem to think the sky is falling. It really isn't, Things won't be that different. To be honest I never saw the point of warp to 15km in the first place. Logically it doesnt make any sense, that a warp system that can land you with perfect accuracy but just not too close. Everyone just uses instas. 'Travel time' I hear you say? Well the ships do have their own unique warp speeds also - A BS warps alot slower than a covops. Therefore you want to maintain high travel times for 'slow' ships, then just do it during warp. NO need to make people trundle to the gate every two minutes. It will be impossible to catch anyone. Yes if you are lazy enough to pick on all the newbs in lowsec 1 jump from hi sec, who really dont have a clue, or just have to go there for missions. Yes they probably can get to a hisec gate without you stopping. FOr everyone else though, you simply catch them on the other side of the jump. You may have to alter your setup, or get a totally dedicated instalock tackler to help you. But for sure people won't be using stabs anymore when ratting, or doing anything but tavelling. Bubbles will still work because they are kind of unreliable anyway. Ive been sucked into bubbles when i shouldnt have, and escaped also when i shouldnt have. The simple fact is, if you put them down, you'll get someone trapped in it. YOu may have to keep moving it to beat local intelligence, but once again that is as it should be. Really I was very against the removal of BMs at one point, but after about 20 minutes on the testserver this evaporated as I realised that the game makes alot more sense this way round. It does seem as if the OP, is totally unwilling to adapt his style of combat to a change, the bubble argument is kind of invalid, because it relies on group intelligence for people to know the buble is there to make efforts to avoid it. Once everyone knows it is there, you can gasp move it. Anyway I'm sure it will all be fine. Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn
Soleta del'Sol	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:15:00 - [119] And the gankers/griefers will cry....what a surprise.... Just like the carebears, corp players, newbies... you have a choice... YOU ADAPT AND SURVIVE; OR YOU CRY, RANT, FLAME... AND DIE... If your to rigid to learn the simple lessons of evolution (for heaven sake they even put the collected works of Darwin online), than please chose door number 2!
Sean Dillon Caldari Privateers	Posted - 2006.11.04 11:23:00 - [120] I totaly agree with murder one, CCP is acting completely retarted lately implenting things without thinking of the consequenses.

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