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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:20:00 -
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Warp to 0km is the single worst nerf to piracy in the history of Eve. I'd say PVP in general, but piracy in particular. You can't use bubbles and dictors in low sec. You can't use them in empire in empire wars.
I make my ISK by killing other players since ratting simply takes too much time for too little reward isk/hour wise (and yes, I rat in -1.0 true security systems. It's still crap ISK/hour).
The majority of players I end up killing are at gates or stations. No, I don't gate/station camp. It's just that the players FLEE to the gates/stations hoping beyond hope that the guns will save them from me. They never do.
Warp to 0km will completely negate any chance of me being able to kill these players successfully in Kali. They will *always* be able to escape. Every time. Without fail.
Just catch them on the other side you say? The other side of WHAT? A jumpgate that leads into a high sec system where I'll get Concorded? The other side of a station interior?
In one simple stroke CCP has completely destroyed the way I play Eve. I'm sure most people who are pirates and PVPers won't think the change is too extreme or will be too critical of it, until it starts to sink in over the next few months once Kali goes live and they keep having kill after kill after kill escape from them, just like they do now when players use tons of stabs.
If this change goes live it will cripple solo PVP as we know it, the other changes like HP etc. not withstanding. (Which is also a mistake IMO, but that's for another thread.)
A big NO to "warp to 0km".
Because I said so...
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:21:00 -
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CCP doesn't hate pirates, they only hate you.
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"Don't touch the RED butt
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:29:00 -
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Completely destroyed the way YOU play EVE... you mean, the LAME way ?
Correction... Highsec becomes perfectly safe for everybody that's not AFKing, Lowsec almost the same thing if next jump is highsec, and the ONLY place you can pirate/PvP truly is either in "deep lowsec" or in 0.0
Actually, the only "true" piracy can only be performed in 0.0 and it needs bubbles or interdictors.
I can't complain much.
Well, other than the (even lamer) "logofsky" tactic, I *really* can't complain at all.
And neither should you. Adapt or leave.
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Kirex
Gallente
Vale Heavy Industries
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Completely destroyed the way YOU play EVE... you mean, the LAME way ?
Correction... Highsec becomes perfectly safe for everybody that's not AFKing, Lowsec almost the same thing if next jump is highsec, and the ONLY place you can pirate/PvP truly is either in "deep lowsec" or in 0.0
Actually, the only "true" piracy can only be performed in 0.0 and it needs bubbles or interdictors.
I can't complain much.
Well, other than the (even lamer) "logofsky" tactic, I *really* can't complain at all.
And neither should you. Adapt or leave.
Have you ever pvped?
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Goca
Minmatar
Steel Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Warp to 0km is the single worst nerf to piracy in the history of Eve. I'd say PVP in general, but piracy in particular. You can't use bubbles and dictors in low sec. You can't use them in empire in empire wars.
I make my ISK by killing other players since ratting simply takes too much time for too little reward isk/hour wise (and yes, I rat in -1.0 true security systems. It's still crap ISK/hour).
The majority of players I end up killing are at gates or stations. No, I don't gate/station camp. It's just that the players FLEE to the gates/stations hoping beyond hope that the guns will save them from me. They never do.
Warp to 0km will completely negate any chance of me being able to kill these players successfully in Kali. They will *always* be able to escape. Every time. Without fail.
Just catch them on the other side you say? The other side of WHAT? A jumpgate that leads into a high sec system where I'll get Concorded? The other side of a station interior?
In one simple stroke CCP has completely destroyed the way I play Eve. I'm sure most people who are pirates and PVPers won't think the change is too extreme or will be too critical of it, until it starts to sink in over the next few months once Kali goes live and they keep having kill after kill after kill escape from them, just like they do now when players use tons of stabs.
If this change goes live it will cripple solo PVP as we know it, the other changes like HP etc. not withstanding. (Which is also a mistake IMO, but that's for another thread.)
A big NO to "warp to 0km".
suck it up, get off the waaaaambulance
and I'll reiterate like 90% of the people here by saying... finally, I hope this is implemented...
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Josh Causto
Gallente
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:31:00 -
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Edited by: Josh Causto on 04/11/2006 03:31:53
<3 Murder
I agree with you on this one, this ruins the game.
And no, I'm not a pirate.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Josh Causto
Edited by: Josh Causto on 04/11/2006 03:31:53
<3 Murder
I agree with you on this one, this ruins the game.
And no, I'm not a pirate.
Wow Josh. You were probably the last person (well, maybe Pias is the *last* person lol) I would have thought would post in support of one of my opinions lol.
And to the others thinking that I'm simply 'whining' and that I should 'adapt' and that '0.0 is where real piracy is', I think that you're simply too uneducated and ignorant to be able to post intelligently on the subject.
Because I said so...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:46:00 -
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Not "0.0 where real piracy is", but "0.0 where most piracy SHOULD be".
Big difference.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Not "0.0 where real piracy is", but "0.0 where most piracy SHOULD be".
Big difference.
No. If this were the case, why have low sec and security status *at all*? Just make it high sec and 0.0.
Because I said so...
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:48:00 -
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yeah, they ruined the game. cause everyone w/ half a brain doesn't already use bookmarks 
(if you cant smell it, that was sarcasm)
so what? you cant kill newbs as easy? i think that is the jist of it. experienced/prepared pilots all use bookmarks so nothing is really changing but saving the servers from having to handle everyone copying bookmarks all the time
yeah, its gonna make .4-.1 kills a bit harder. you might have to look beyond the jump gate to find a kill. but in the end its likely for the best. F%(K bookmarks, they are retarded.
You never get something for nothing in life and i think this is a nice tradeoff to get rid of them. Maybe ccp will be nice and allow bubble use in <.4 i think that would be more than fair
adapt or give us your stuff
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:48:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Batty68 on 04/11/2006 03:49:31
Originally by: murder one
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Warp to 0km will completely negate any chance of me being able to kill these players successfully in Kali. They will *always* be able to escape. Every time. Without fail.
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Where exactly did CCP say this was going in in Kali?
edit: nevermind... just noticed other thread.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: murder one
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Warp to 0km will completely negate any chance of me being able to kill these players successfully in Kali. They will *always* be able to escape. Every time. Without fail.
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Where exactly did CCP say this was going in in Kali?
and yes, i haven't seen this actually posted as going live to tranq
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
yeah, they ruined the game. cause everyone w/ half a brain doesn't already use bookmarks
(if you cant smell it, that was sarcasm)
so what? you cant kill newbs as easy? i think that is the jist of it. experienced/prepared pilots all use bookmarks so nothing is really changing but saving the servers from having to handle everyone copying bookmarks all the time
yeah, its gonna make .4-.1 kills a bit harder. you might have to look beyond the jump gate to find a kill. but in the end its likely for the best. F%(K bookmarks, they are retarded.
You never get something for nothing in life and i think this is a nice tradeoff to get rid of them. Maybe ccp will be nice and allow bubble use in <.4 i think that would be more than fair
adapt or give us your stuff
There are *plenty* of people who don't use BMs. Another issue is that while right now people might align to a belt to escape, after the change I'm sure people will warp to the gate almost 100% of the time. Since safety is guaranteed.
Because I said so...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:55:00 -
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Sadly, I agree.
Now low sec will be almost completely safe. Come on, if anything it needs to be a bit more dangerous. 
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:57:00 -
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The only people you gank now are unpreprepared noobs without the instas that locals have.
Each one of them that decides to stick around your neck of the woods would make insta docks and be more or less immune to you.
So all that is relly happening is your prey is climbing the food chain a little higher. This means you have to be more cunning and a little less lazy to kill them.
Ofc you could just run to the forums and cry how CCP are nerfing pirates
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Pestillence
This means you have to be more cunning and a little less lazy to kill them.
You can't use bubbles in low sec, or interdictors.
It is impossible to catch a properly fitted ship using instas in low sec without suiciding an interceptor or the like.
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Luric Vizjier
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:59:00 -
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I can only agree with this if CCP remove the smartbomb nerf that won't let me use them near a station or gate.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:59:00 -
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Most ships we kill jump into us, if we know someone else is coming from the other gate, we put up a bubble, and they will come out of warp away from the gate. now, in low sec, you just gonna have to jump after the target and kill him in the other side iam afraid.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Pestillence
The only people you gank now are unpreprepared noobs without the instas that locals have.
Each one of them that decides to stick around your neck of the woods would make insta docks and be more or less immune to you.
So all that is relly happening is your prey is climbing the food chain a little higher. This means you have to be more cunning and a little less lazy to kill them.
Ofc you could just run to the forums and cry how CCP are nerfing pirates
You have to warp to an insta from a specific direction (excluding NPC station instas) in order for them to work. You can pull people out of warp using bubbles even if they have instas. With the warp to 0km option, you can even avoid bubbles in 0.0 by using weird random warp trajectories. But specifically regarding low sec, a warp to 0km order *guarantees* that you'll land on the gate from *anywhere* in the system. Even people with instas don't have this capability with the current system.
Because I said so...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Most ships we kill jump into us, if we know someone else is coming from the other gate, we put up a bubble, and they will come out of warp away from the gate. now, in low sec, you just gonna have to jump after the target and kill him in the other side iam afraid.
But most ships will warp off long before you can scramble them, generally. Remember, you can't use inties in low sec.
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Phyrr
Minmatar
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:07:00 -
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I'm no pirate and tbh this, if it is implemented, will tame lowsec. I like the fear of lowsec and I agree it should be more dangerous. I say remove all instas and make ships a little bit faster. Instas or warp to 0km will be the end of eve. The only fighting that will actually occur will be at POS's. Wars in high sec will be nerfed by this too as no war targets will ever really get caught.
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Areconus
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:07:00 -
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Would it be possible for CCP to code it in a way that only allows for warp to 0km in .5 and up? That would solve your problem right there murder...
Gloria Stitz-
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Otherwise we might take the game seriously" |
Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Most ships we kill jump into us, if we know someone else is coming from the other gate, we put up a bubble, and they will come out of warp away from the gate. now, in low sec, you just gonna have to jump after the target and kill him in the other side iam afraid.
But most ships will warp off long before you can scramble them, generally. Remember, you can't use inties in low sec.
1 amplifier, 3 sensor booster on a good t2 cruiser, insta lock. Besides its low sec not 0.0, its meant to be safer than 0.0 on a certain lvl, those gates are there for a reason, and thats to make it harder for people to get kills there. if low sec becomes as dangerous as 0.0, we better off getting rude of those guns and billboards, and jsut let noobs/carebears cramp in high sec.
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Daos Leghki
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:26:00 -
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While the points presented here are quite valid, I'd like to remind you that people will be fitting less stabs as well. This means that once they're tackled, they're very unlikely to warp off. Just food for thought, I've no opinion on the matter either way yet.
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Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:32:00 -
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Currently, there's little difference to 0.0 compared to lowsec when it comes to  ing. You may have to tank that sentry gun, but that's not too hard for a decent BS or HAC.
I personally think it gives a finally gives a definitive difference to low sec compared to 0.0.
Right now, lowsec is really MORE dangerous the 0.0, simply because there are more people there for the sole purpose of getting people, camping, and other pirating things.
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Takaharu Tsuyoshi
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:33:00 -
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Suck it up cupcake and adapt.
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:49:00 -
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Dear murder one,
Shut up your opinion doesn't matter.
Kind regards,
Glumpumpkin
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
The Afterlife
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: MeLoveYouLoooongTime
Edited by: MeLoveYouLoooongTime on 04/11/2006 04:45:41
True PVP is not waiting at a gate with 15 ships waiting to take on the lone ship... its cowardly and borders on griefing. Warp to 0 shouldn't affect anyone who partakes in true and honorable PVP.
^^^noob 4tw
thats called pirating and it is a major part of the game, without it, your carebear made ships would sell so slow and prices would drop cause demand would drop. but hey thats economics, something a noob knows nothing about
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Merciless1
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Merciless1 on 04/11/2006 04:55:27
Originally by: MeLoveYouLoooongTime
True PVP is not waiting at a gate with 15 ships waiting to take on the lone ship... its cowardly and borders of griefing. Warp to 0 shouldn't affect anyone who partakes in true and honorable PVP.
This affects all pvp. Imagine this, I'm pirating in low-sec, I warp to the belt your in but your 40km away. Pre-warp to 0 you would warp off to a belt, planet etc, because you know I will kill you slow boating to the station or gate, in which case I try to chase you down, maybe I'll get you, maybe I won't. Maybe you'll safe spot and I might scan you down. Post-warp to 0 you warp straight to the station and total safty.
In eve the defender is already given all the advantages. When I come in I have to load into system, warp around scanning, narrow you down, and warp to you and hope that I land in range to scramble you befor you can warp. All the defender has to do is watch local and insta out, SS, or log. |
Zaethiel
Murder-Death-Kill
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: MeLoveYouLoooongTime
Edited by: MeLoveYouLoooongTime on 04/11/2006 04:45:41
True PVP is not waiting at a gate with 15 ships waiting to take on the lone ship... its cowardly and borders on griefing. Warp to 0 shouldn't affect anyone who partakes in true and honorable PVP.
Warping to 0km hardly affects ships into your blob. It only affects ships that run from you when you attack them in belts or at gates and they get away.
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