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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:25:00 -
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I see quite a few complexes have been put in for Kali. I'm focusing on the 0.0 ones, since empire ones are not only too numerous to count but much less profitable to than the high level ones. So, here's the list of new plexes in the 0.0 regions, from north to south:
Tenal:10/10 in Y-YHZQ Branch:10/10 in 313I-B Venal:10/10 DJ-CT4 Fade: 10/10 O-ARFO Tribute: 10/10 GIH-ZG Cloud Ring: 3 x 4/10 OOTY-J, X-M9ON, SS-KNL Syndicate: 4 x 4/10 ATY0-2U, UM-Q7F, K5-JRD, NG-C6Y Outer Ring: 4 x 4/10 E-GCXD, VJD-81, OX-RGN, IZ-AOB Fountain: 4/10 Z3O5-A Catch: 10/10 3GD6-B Querious: 7 x 4/10 Z-XX2J, L3-I3K, 38K-D7, V-LEKM, W-IX39, L-68E1, L-FVHR, 10/10 C-758M Delve: 4 x 4/10 A-ELE2, Q-HESZ, KFIE-Z, IP6V-X, 2 x 10/10 T-J6HT, NIDJ-E Period Basis: 4/10 JZL-VB, 6/10 O-NTIS, 10/10 JZL-VB
For a total of 10 new 10/10's (5 north 5 south), 24 new 4/10's (12 in the south, 12 in the west), 1 new 6/10 in period basis.
Any regions not listed didn't get a new complex afaik. The entire south east get none. So, is this an effort to promote complex camping as a 0.0 income source? If so, it seems a little unfair that several regions are left with no complexes, while other regions get stuffed with them (delve will have 13).
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:37:00 -
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Complexes in the north are well known to be less profitable than the south. What with loot values, bounties, and so forth the north has been left lacking recently.
I guess this is an attempt to balance it a bit. -----------------------------------------------
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Evol1
J.H.E.N.R Pure.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:37:00 -
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In all seriousness, is CCP just making it easy for BoB or what?
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VeldMaster
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Evol1 In all seriousness, is CCP just making it easy for BoB or what?
And FIX :p
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: ElCoCo on 05/11/2006 01:36:44 Can you use carriers/dreads on the new 10/10's?
Also cut the crap about bob... there's no conspiracy.
Wherever they would be, whatever they put in their region, you'd still whine about favoritism.
2nd edit: aren't the complexes supposed to be "moving around" in kali or what?
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Targovka
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Attak I see quite a few complexes have been put in for Kali. I'm focusing on the 0.0 ones, since empire ones are not only too numerous to count but much less profitable to than the high level ones. So, here's the list of new plexes in the 0.0 regions, from north to south:
EVERYONE IN EVE:
Tenal:10/10 in Y-YHZQ Branch:10/10 in 313I-B Venal:10/10 DJ-CT4 Fade: 10/10 O-ARFO Tribute: 10/10 GIH-ZG Cloud Ring: 3 x 4/10 OOTY-J, X-M9ON, SS-KNL Syndicate: 4 x 4/10 ATY0-2U, UM-Q7F, K5-JRD, NG-C6Y Outer Ring: 4 x 4/10 E-GCXD, VJD-81, OX-RGN, IZ-AOB Catch: 10/10 3GD6-B
BOB:
Fountain: 4/10 Z3O5-A Querious: 7 x 4/10 Z-XX2J, L3-I3K, 38K-D7, V-LEKM, W-IX39, L-68E1, L-FVHR, 10/10 C-758M Delve: 4 x 4/10 A-ELE2, Q-HESZ, KFIE-Z, IP6V-X, 2 x 10/10 T-J6HT, NIDJ-E Period Basis: 4/10 JZL-VB, 6/10 O-NTIS, 10/10 JZL-VB
For a total of 10 new 10/10's (5 north 5 south), 24 new 4/10's (12 in the south, 12 in the west), 1 new 6/10 in period basis.
EVERYONE gets 6 10/10
BOB gets 4 10/10
Any regions not listed didn't get a new complex afaik. The entire south east get none. So, is this an effort to promote complex camping as a 0.0 income source? If so, it seems a little unfair that several regions are left with no complexes, while other regions get stuffed with them (delve will have 13).
yeh its fair...
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Romulus Maximus
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Targovka
Originally by: Attak I see quite a few complexes have been put in for Kali. I'm focusing on the 0.0 ones, since empire ones are not only too numerous to count but much less profitable to than the high level ones. So, here's the list of new plexes in the 0.0 regions, from north to south:
EVERYONE IN EVE:
Tenal:10/10 in Y-YHZQ Branch:10/10 in 313I-B Venal:10/10 DJ-CT4 Fade: 10/10 O-ARFO Tribute: 10/10 GIH-ZG Cloud Ring: 3 x 4/10 OOTY-J, X-M9ON, SS-KNL Syndicate: 4 x 4/10 ATY0-2U, UM-Q7F, K5-JRD, NG-C6Y Outer Ring: 4 x 4/10 E-GCXD, VJD-81, OX-RGN, IZ-AOB Catch: 10/10 3GD6-B
BOB:
Fountain: 4/10 Z3O5-A Querious: 7 x 4/10 Z-XX2J, L3-I3K, 38K-D7, V-LEKM, W-IX39, L-68E1, L-FVHR, 10/10 C-758M Delve: 4 x 4/10 A-ELE2, Q-HESZ, KFIE-Z, IP6V-X, 2 x 10/10 T-J6HT, NIDJ-E Period Basis: 4/10 JZL-VB, 6/10 O-NTIS, 10/10 JZL-VB
For a total of 10 new 10/10's (5 north 5 south), 24 new 4/10's (12 in the south, 12 in the west), 1 new 6/10 in period basis.
EVERYONE gets 6 10/10
BOB gets 4 10/10
Any regions not listed didn't get a new complex afaik. The entire south east get none. So, is this an effort to promote complex camping as a 0.0 income source? If so, it seems a little unfair that several regions are left with no complexes, while other regions get stuffed with them (delve will have 13).
yeh its fair...
More cheese to go with ur whine ? Before u cry consiracy, how about u check how many 10/10 are in Delve/Period/Querious Also the fact the the complete lack of any 10/10 has meant Bhallgorns are also very hard to get now. Seeing as there is no plex for them to drop from.
yeh its fair...
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Saerid
Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:15:00 -
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Go take the complexes away then if you think it's unfair. BoB will have to defend them like everyone else. Useless whining, they got the complexes because they control the regions and had to put in the work like everyone else.
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Joskken Inx
J.H.E.N.R Pure.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Saerid Go take the complexes away then if you think it's unfair. BoB will have to defend them like everyone else. Useless whining, they got the complexes because they control the regions and had to put in the work like everyone else.
I don't see your point clear enough. Are you saying this is a reward then, because they work "harder" then any of us? Not being flippant, but I could see the correlation between plexes and BoB space immediately. I guess I'm not the only one.
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Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Joskken Inx
Originally by: Saerid Go take the complexes away then if you think it's unfair. BoB will have to defend them like everyone else. Useless whining, they got the complexes because they control the regions and had to put in the work like everyone else.
I don't see your point clear enough. Are you saying this is a reward then, because they work "harder" then any of us? Not being flippant, but I could see the correlation between plexes and BoB space immediately. I guess I'm not the only one.
It has more to do with the fact that Blood Raiders has had 0 (zero) 10/10 plexes since their introduction. And we control all regions with Blood Raiders. Wasn't such a hard thing to think about now was it?
D2 get 3 10/10. Why not whine about them?
And before you start whining about too many plexes for just 3 regions. That's the only 3 regions that have BR as a faction. Looking at the other factions they all have quite a few 10/10's. Admittedly I'm a bit hazy about Sansha, but I believe they have 3 10/10's? With these changes Guirista gets 5 10/10's, BR gets 4, Serpentis already has 4 (iirc) and Angels have 4-5 or so?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo Edited by: ElCoCo on 05/11/2006 01:36:44 Can you use carriers/dreads on the new 10/10's?
No, CCP made it quiet clear that capships are NOT to be complex useable.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:08:00 -
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Is there any chance we can see a list of what factions are missing what levels of deadspace?
And will those missing levels of complexes come in soon(tm)?
And will the unused mods, like gistum, pithii...etc, which are not obtainable currently, be added to said places?
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Joskken Inx
J.H.E.N.R Pure.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel
Originally by: Joskken Inx
Originally by: Saerid Go take the complexes away then if you think it's unfair. BoB will have to defend them like everyone else. Useless whining, they got the complexes because they control the regions and had to put in the work like everyone else.
I don't see your point clear enough. Are you saying this is a reward then, because they work "harder" then any of us? Not being flippant, but I could see the correlation between plexes and BoB space immediately. I guess I'm not the only one.
It has more to do with the fact that Blood Raiders has had 0 (zero) 10/10 plexes since their introduction. And we control all regions with Blood Raiders. Wasn't such a hard thing to think about now was it?
D2 get 3 10/10. Why not whine about them?
And before you start whining about too many plexes for just 3 regions. That's the only 3 regions that have BR as a faction. Looking at the other factions they all have quite a few 10/10's. Admittedly I'm a bit hazy about Sansha, but I believe they have 3 10/10's? With these changes Guirista gets 5 10/10's, BR gets 4, Serpentis already has 4 (iirc) and Angels have 4-5 or so?
OK, like I said I wasn't being flippant. True, the plex placement leaves much to be desired, and you made some very good points. The speculation though, is there will be more plexes not currently found on "DED Report" tab. IS it correct to assume that what isn't listed as "new" on that report tab, can and will be found in "hidden" plexes, in every region now?
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The Enslaver
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:39:00 -
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Tenerifis and it's single 5/10 (despite having more systems than most other regions) are grateful for the increase in complexes to the places that didn't even really need them.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 05/11/2006 17:58:20
Originally by: The Enslaver Tenerifis and it's single 5/10 (despite having more systems than most other regions) are grateful for the increase in complexes to the places that didn't even really need them.
Tenerifis always gets the short end of the stick. Angels are harder to tank than other factions due to some ships dealing thermal and EM along with their explosive and kinetic. Most domination loot was made redundant when Tech 2 came out (who wants 50% hardeners?) and there are fewer actual pieces of domination loot that bs can drop than there are piees of dark blood loot etc. Most Domination Bs spawns just drop a domination tag, domination/arch angel ammo and some named stuff, which is where the phrase "Tag and ammo spawn" comes from. It's sort of an inside joke among the ISS guys down in Calico.
Would be nice to get a complex or two :/.
EDIT: Also, are these complexes not going to be randomly placed and hidden, using the new exploration system to find them? Or was that just a huge lie?
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver Tenerifis and it's single 5/10 (despite having more systems than most other regions) are grateful for the increase in complexes to the places that didn't even really need them.
Some regions that had no complexes got them, but it sounds like you guys got screwed ;/
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Targovka
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel
Originally by: Joskken Inx
Originally by: Saerid Go take the complexes away then if you think it's unfair. BoB will have to defend them like everyone else. Useless whining, they got the complexes because they control the regions and had to put in the work like everyone else.
I don't see your point clear enough. Are you saying this is a reward then, because they work "harder" then any of us? Not being flippant, but I could see the correlation between plexes and BoB space immediately. I guess I'm not the only one.
It has more to do with the fact that Blood Raiders has had 0 (zero) 10/10 plexes since their introduction. And we control all regions with Blood Raiders. Wasn't such a hard thing to think about now was it?
D2 get 3 10/10. Why not whine about them?
And before you start whining about too many plexes for just 3 regions. That's the only 3 regions that have BR as a faction. Looking at the other factions they all have quite a few 10/10's. Admittedly I'm a bit hazy about Sansha, but I believe they have 3 10/10's? With these changes Guirista gets 5 10/10's, BR gets 4, Serpentis already has 4 (iirc) and Angels have 4-5 or so?
How is this fair? Because there are 2 factions in the south DB and Sansha you get 2X as many complexes? How do you figure thats fair?
In the east there are only angels in about 10-12 regions with like 4-5 complexes and now in the south there are now 7 in about what 6-7 regions?
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Acwron
Minmatar Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel
Originally by: Joskken Inx
Originally by: Saerid Go take the complexes away then if you think it's unfair. BoB will have to defend them like everyone else. Useless whining, they got the complexes because they control the regions and had to put in the work like everyone else.
I don't see your point clear enough. Are you saying this is a reward then, because they work "harder" then any of us? Not being flippant, but I could see the correlation between plexes and BoB space immediately. I guess I'm not the only one.
It has more to do with the fact that Blood Raiders has had 0 (zero) 10/10 plexes since their introduction. And we control all regions with Blood Raiders. Wasn't such a hard thing to think about now was it?
D2 get 3 10/10. Why not whine about them?
And before you start whining about too many plexes for just 3 regions. That's the only 3 regions that have BR as a faction. Looking at the other factions they all have quite a few 10/10's. Admittedly I'm a bit hazy about Sansha, but I believe they have 3 10/10's? With these changes Guirista gets 5 10/10's, BR gets 4, Serpentis already has 4 (iirc) and Angels have 4-5 or so?
Except there wasn't a 10/10 Guristas Complex in the North before Kali at all... While BoB space had loads of lower lvl complexes and two 10/10 Serpentis ones in Fountian. With now 3 further Blood Raider ones.
I don't think it's favoritism it's just lazyness by CCP. (like the new regions get none at all?)
Anyway I thought it was already said that we don't need more static Complexes. Remove the static ones and make them dynamic.
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Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.06 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
Originally by: Nifel [It has more to do with the fact that Blood Raiders has had 0 (zero) 10/10 plexes since their introduction. And we control all regions with Blood Raiders. Wasn't such a hard thing to think about now was it?
D2 get 3 10/10. Why not whine about them?
And before you start whining about too many plexes for just 3 regions. That's the only 3 regions that have BR as a faction. Looking at the other factions they all have quite a few 10/10's. Admittedly I'm a bit hazy about Sansha, but I believe they have 3 10/10's? With these changes Guirista gets 5 10/10's, BR gets 4, Serpentis already has 4 (iirc) and Angels have 4-5 or so?
Except there wasn't a 10/10 Guristas Complex in the North before Kali at all... While BoB space had loads of lower lvl complexes and two 10/10 Serpentis ones in Fountian. With now 3 further Blood Raider ones.
I don't think it's favoritism it's just lazyness by CCP. (like the new regions get none at all?)
Anyway I thought it was already said that we don't need more static Complexes. Remove the static ones and make them dynamic.
I'm well aware that there hasn't been any 10/10 Guristas complexes. Just like there hasn't been any Blood Raiders 10/10 complexes. All of the factions gets a couple of 10/10 complexes now (as it should be). It's done on a faction/background story basis, not region basis.
BoB just happens to control all the BR regions, and we already controlled Fountain. Now we just have to wait for CCP to remake plexes from the ISK farms they are to something that doesn't quite hurt the EVE economy as much as it does now. Sometime in 2007...8...9?
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Deva Blackfire
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel
D2 get 3 10/10. Why not whine about them?
And i was pretty sure Tenal was owned by RZR... Guess i was always wrong :/
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Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.06 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Nifel
D2 get 3 10/10. Why not whine about them?
And i was pretty sure Tenal was owned by RZR... Guess i was always wrong :/
D2 claim Fade, Branch and Venal according to the map thread.
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 04:15:00 -
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I didn't make this post to whine, just to state information brought from the test server, and bring up the question of how the complexes are being distributed. I agree that it's most likely done by a factional basis, e.g. BR get a similar amount of complexes to angels, which get a similar amount to guristas.
This becomes a problem then, because some pirate factions are much smaller than others. Guristas having a similar number of BR means that Guristas complexes are spread over 9 regions, and BR plexes are spread over 3. This leaves the situation that is now on the test server, with regions like tribute having 1 complex, and vale of the silent having 0, while querious will have 11.
Then, even more concerning is the lack of any complexes in the new regions (10/10 drone complexes? Yes please!)
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Kamdar
Amarr No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.06 05:14:00 -
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LOL....
I give it 2 weeks till AAA or any other Russian corp to take control of them. Even in BoB space.
Anything that will make them real life money they will go after. Have fun BoB playing with the russians. Though a word of warninig. Don't even try to talk to GM's when they use exploits or other tactics that most people won't use. The GM's don't care.
Well The russians are jumping up and down for this news I bet. Logoffski for everyone!!
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Gal'tashec
Gallente Raptus Regaliter Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.11.06 08:07:00 -
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So wasn't complexes going to change in revelations? From being static to being dynamic and require exploration and luck to find? --- Author of A guide to buying bookmarks |
Maverick McDougel
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.06 08:55:00 -
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if i remeber right it said there would be some static and other would be dynamic plex's. support BattleClinic buy gtc's from BattleClinic |
Gal'tashec
Gallente Raptus Regaliter Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.11.06 11:08:00 -
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Right. Anyone in New Eden that woulsd possibly have the link to the devblog / devpost / chatlog where this was said by a dev? The information is quite interessting and I wouldn't mind getting confirmed facts. --- Author of A guide to buying bookmarks |
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Mephysto
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Posted - 2006.11.06 11:19:00 -
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Despite the whinage in this thread, heres some info: the new regions are deliberately not getting static complexes. This doesnt mean there is nothing there though.
Oh, and to the OP: look harder, you missed some.
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Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.06 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto Despite the whinage in this thread, heres some info: the new regions are deliberately not getting static complexes. This doesnt mean there is nothing there though.
Oh, and to the OP: look harder, you missed some.
Couple of questions if you don't mind *cough*.
1) Will CCP look into static vs dynamic plexes in the future? 2) Will static plexes get any changes during Kali? 3) Will static plexes always stay, or will they be removed in favour of dynamic plexes in the future?
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:23:00 -
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Afaik there's plans to "unstickify" the plexes, as in making them not static.
However, iirr CCP said that this is not in Kali one but probably somewhere after.
In all honesty, I cant complain about the placement since we seem to draw the long end this time (remember when CCP shafted us with a dozen npc stations last time ? Noone complained then that that was DEV favouritism, right ?), CCP should first make them viariable in spawning and placement and only after that put in new ones imo.
Break the camp locks first and make these plexes far easier to enter (no keys for first few levels for example) to promote actual combat for them, and then add new ones.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 06/11/2006 14:38:02 Oh and btw, the 4/10 Mul-Zatah monestaries or whatever hey are called again. If those are to be the 4/10's in Blood Raider territory too, then please unbug them before deployment. Last time i looked they never dropped any actual faction loot.
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