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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
246
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Posted - 2015.04.30 06:18:40 -
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ISDs can we have a merge of this "new maps out of beta" topics? There are threads in Information Portal, GD, Features and Ideas. I don't know where to put the tears.
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Cpt Satoshi
Jew Beams Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2015.04.30 06:58:19 -
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hitting F10 will bring up old style map. I hope ccp keep the old map, its way easyer to navigate. |
Lucy Lopez
Low Frequency
11
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Posted - 2015.04.30 07:30:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is there an official feedback thread where I can go hate on this new "feature"? This is even worse than the pop up tools change.
This one just might be proof positive that the art department doesn't even play the game.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=421115&find=unread
Honestly the new map is terrible if you're an explorer. System statistics were easy to see on the old map but now you can barely tell one system from another. And don't get me started on scanning/probing. I hate to sound like a whiney complainer but I don't understand how they thought the functionality of the new map is better than the old one |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5557
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Posted - 2015.04.30 07:40:48 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Why has ccp been spending Sooooo much time making things pretty lately? Pbr rendering, skins, the stupid pos/module anchoring light show thing, this map, there is more too
Seriously wtf is there some kind of mmo beauty competition going on soon? I reckon it's Elite:Dangerous. I mean have you seen that game? It's pretty damn good looking.
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Laken Starr
Mining and Munitions Ltd SpaceMonkey's Alliance
79
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Posted - 2015.04.30 07:46:12 -
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Aesthetically, I really enjoy the new map. It's pretty, and being able to switch between star map and system map just by zooming is fantastic. As this thread shows, it's not quite ready to come out of beta just yet, however.
* There's a noticeable stutter whenever you first open the map. After that it's rather smooth. * The 'You are here' icon is far too similar to the probe icon. * Trying to grab probe bubbles is similar to trying to grab water at times.
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Misticue
Galactic Dragons EON Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.04.30 07:47:18 -
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Lucy Lopez wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Is there an official feedback thread where I can go hate on this new "feature"? This is even worse than the pop up tools change.
This one just might be proof positive that the art department doesn't even play the game. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=421115&find=unread Honestly the new map is terrible if you're an explorer. System statistics were easy to see on the old map but now you can barely tell one system from another. And don't get me started on scanning/probing. I hate to sound like a whiney complainer but I don't understand how they thought the functionality of the new map is better than the old one
Signed...
I tryed to scan several times yesterday and i even failed to scan down a blood raider base with a max skilled scanning tengu.
Took me about 10 attempts to find it. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3494
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Posted - 2015.04.30 07:49:24 -
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The new map is pretty. It is also pretty much inferior in every single aspect of the all-important statistic: functionality. Every time I've tried to use it it has been slow, more difficult to parse at a glance, and just generally unpleasant to use. Heck, you can't even look at k-space from j-space.
It's clear CCP wants the new map to happen, all I ask is this: don't get rid of the old one. I would be severely disappointed if the iMap ever became the only option. |
embrel
BamBam Inc. Outlanders United
223
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Posted - 2015.04.30 07:52:56 -
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Spc One wrote:it is very hard to scan anomalies in this new map.
for me too. I changed back to the old version where I am far faster in scanning down sigs.
Either the results of scans in the new map sometime disappear or they just get hidden behind other stuff (but I think a).
I didn't manage to scan down one sig in the new map for which I had only a very short time in the new one.
It looks nice, but content goes over form. |
embrel
BamBam Inc. Outlanders United
223
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Posted - 2015.04.30 07:58:25 -
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Trajan Unknown wrote:I love the new map!
Since it came out to test I am using it almost exclusive and while it was a pain in the ass for the first 3 weeks or so
call me lazy, but a new feature should be accessible with less effort than 3 weeks PITA. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises The Marmite Collective
98
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Posted - 2015.04.30 08:17:42 -
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Rook Mallard wrote:OMG! the new map sucks when you are scanning! - Inertia is killing me. The old map was crisp when zooming/panning. Not sure what's the gain with this...maybe it look cool. But then again, it makes using the map a PITA. - The cursor seems to always be a circle. I am not sure which part of it use to actually point to something. - The probes show always as an icon cluttering the display even when I am handling them all together as one. - There is no "you are here" label or pointer like in the old one. Good luck finding yourself in it. ... Oh Wait! The cross-hairs is your ship! Make it more obvious!! Change color/icon. The cross-hair is too similar to probes/planets/gates. - There's multiple display issues. You launch probes, the cube with the arrows shows up, but no bubbles for the probes so no indication of the range/size of them. No way to change the range/size from the map. - When the bubbles do show up resizing them is not as easy as before. It's hard to grab the edge to resize them. - You probe a sig, the "dot" is not displayed. - Sometimes the cube shows up in the middle of the system while the actual bubbles show up somewhere else. - Why is there no sun in WH space??? - Lines connecting gates maybe cool (again) but they could be a lot more subtle. They really confuse and clutter things. - Open the map (I'm in a WH). Hit the "focus current location" control, everything disapears. I've worked in software for many years and I can tell when something has not even been used by the developer. C'mon CCP you can do better. Unfortunately this thing will stay off for now.
Yeah, as above... It looks cool, but functions poorly. I had to flat turn it off because It was slowing me down waay too much.
It does look cool, but obviously was not Quality Checked/controled.
Since this thing utilizes it's own window, If you guys actually got this to be smooth like the regular map, put better functionality on it, maybe added the Prob and Dscan Buttons and commands on it, AND allowed this window to be pulled outside the Client window (Like a CAD Program does) then it woild be awesome... Being able to drag it off the game screen entirely to say another monitor would be HUGE! Make all that happen and you have a winner!
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Hipqo
Project AIice Whatever.
108
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Posted - 2015.04.30 08:18:24 -
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So far im not pleased tbh. Pretty yes, but does it work? No....
Living in a WH, the map is our main resource in the game. Scanning has become much more difficult, partially due to the stupid circle mouse pointer and the fact that its still really buggy. Probes disappear, map needs to be reloaded before they come back. Speres around probes disappear. Ive managed to send my probes 50-100AU "off grid" several times, and i have no idea how.... Icons are to big and to visual, the only option is to turn most of them off, if you want any kind of chance to see sigs. At least 10 times now, ive managed to scan down a sig to 80%+, just to get a "no results" notification and having to go to 32AU to be able to even see the sig again.
Something is not right here, who ever made the decision to take it out of Beta should be fired or put on serious overwork, until its up to the standard we have in the old map.
Right now, this map makes WH life much more difficult and much less enjoyable.
Ohh and btw, when i click on fullscreen, i want proper fullscreen. Not fullscreen starmap and windowed solar system map, whats up with that?
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Staten Island
The Offical Balder Fan Club
36
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:09:01 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:Staten Island wrote:Ask any rl world map maker and they will tell you... Y... you know a map maker?
Yes. Also used maps before. Its funny young folk rely on gps so much these days they dont have any idea how to use one.
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Staten Island
The Offical Balder Fan Club
36
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:12:03 -
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Trajan Unknown wrote:I love the new map!
Since it came out to test I am using it almost exclusive and while it was a pain in the ass for the first 3 weeks or so it got better after. There is still work to do and some things are hard to get your head around (scanning for me) but all in all it is way better I think. And while I think some people will have problems with the new map, too used to the old one and not willing to relearn, just don-¦t like changes, feel like when they first looked at the old map for example, it-¦s a big improvement after all. Dotlan is nice and simple, but I like to navigate in 3d and not flat and use the stuff on the fly and not on 2nd screen, hoping dotlan will be reachable in time. Not that I had many problems in the past, but I dislike loading times over 1.3 seconds for sites so dotlan sometimes mucks me (minor complain). After all I am way faster with the new ingame map than with dotlan simply because I don-¦t have to reload the site for navigation, stats, regions and so on - it is simply way faster and it looks better.
Oooo so shinny and new it must be good, amirite?!?!?
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
89
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:14:30 -
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Its exactly the same as the old map except it loads faster, is easier to read and is prettier.
So no, no "but". |
Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3862
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:55:38 -
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I don't like it at all. Looks pretty, but it's kind of lousy to use.
Bring your possibles.
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Hicksimus
Xion Limited Resonance.
600
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:59:13 -
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I take pride in my ability to d-scan quickly(yeah I don't go outside much) and I find it more difficult with the new map in a system that I need to bounce through to d-scan. Maybe there are options to make it a bit more user friendly that I'm missing. At least it looks pretty I guess and stuff like that does help the new player experience.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
908
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:21:16 -
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My complaint... The old map after as a background. You could keep overview, chats, probe window, etc open and they would stay on top of the map. I could probe at full screen and still see my overview.
Now... I have to scale the map down to still see my other Windows, which sucks. I would prefer an option to have it like the old map as a background. |
Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:53:48 -
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While scanning, I have trouble moving the Scan center because the icon for the can probes is in the way.
Also : Why is the map upside down ? Not long ago "Space north" was defined as where the top of the old map was.
Now the new map has "Space south" on top. Thats not how you do a map. |
Kerrat Braban
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2015.04.30 15:32:50 -
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On top of all the problems mentioned before - try creating a safespot while warping over the map: the marker used to slide (over longer distances), so I could mark the spot roughly where I liked, in the new map the marker just jumps - I tried it in the same system, same distance with both maps: worked in the old, doesn't in the new.
Oh, and try opening the map when you just entered a WH, my experienc is that first I have to "focus" to get the map to show where I am. Just one click more of course. And one here, and one there ... usability, please? |
Cataca
Aspiring Nomads
11
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Posted - 2015.04.30 15:32:57 -
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I have used the new map some more for scanning and after 3 days i have given up.
The functionality wasnt there and its riddled with bugs.
I had it happen multiple times that i probed down a sig, narrowed my probes, centered them on it and.. nothing, sig not there. Why? This doesnt happen with the old map, ever.
Minimizing your map and opening it up, your probes are now somewhere completely else on the map.
Minimizing your map and opening it up, selecting a certain anomaly will deselect *this one* from your map to show, for whatever bloody reason (why.. really why?)
Not so much an issue in w-space because no belts, stations etc. But in a system that is full of them, in adition to your waypoints the map becomes *very* cluttered. If you then want to cut it down and deselect certain things to show in map, whatever new functionality this map has is completely gone. In systems where you have some ~10 waypoints it gets cluttered without anything else enabled, if you want to cut down the clutter, you cant actually use the map without worse functionality than the old map.
Tilting your map in a certain angle and selecting probes to move up/down will move your probes way to fast. You will have to reset your camera to do the finetuning again (and your probes will probably be out of the map window)
If there is one of the freaking icons somewhere between your anomaly and camera, your anomaly vanishes until you tilt the camera enough for the icon to not be in the way anymore. How dumb is that?
Things the new map is actually good at:
D-Scan hunting people at belts, its easier, but it was never hard in the first place.
So, to sum things up, the new map is unfinished, unpolished and has awful functionality. And please, at least give us an option to make the icons smaller (and easier to tell apart). |
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Kathryn Painway
Just a Ride
11
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Posted - 2015.04.30 18:43:11 -
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khaip ur wrote:Kathryn Painway wrote:Can someone please tell me where the reset button is? How about tutorials, anyone got a good Youtube link? esc >> General Settings tab >> un(X) Try the new Map
Yeah, I was being facetious but thanks for trying to help
Trajan Unknown wrote:I love the new map!
Since it came out to test I am using it almost exclusive and while it was a pain in the ass for the first 3 weeks or so it got better after.
So your saying after three weeks of this I can adequately scan again? I would rather train another skill.
Orange Aideron wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uaFuy4JS9I I made a video of some tips on scanning in the new map, its sluggish in the video because of the fraps (I think) however in reality its smooth and pretty quick. I like it.
Good to see a new scanning video, I would have expected a pile of them right after initial beta testing. Seems smooth enough in your vid though with me my scanner is more sluggish.
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3494
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Posted - 2015.04.30 22:27:26 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Its exactly the same as the old map except it loads faster, is easier to read and is prettier.
So no, no "but".
It objectively loads more slowly, and it is utter **** when it comes to legibility compared to the old map. Seriously, you can't get much clearer than this. Points of data with no stupid frills. |
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
22
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Posted - 2015.04.30 22:41:15 -
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The console says "Beta", but after trying for several hours in dismay, I think you might have meant "Alpha".
Pretty, though. |
embrel
BamBam Inc. Outlanders United
224
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:21:18 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Its exactly the same as the old map except it loads faster, is easier to read and is prettier.
So no, no "but".
you obviously didn't try to scan down sigs. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
246
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Posted - 2015.05.01 12:51:53 -
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I'm finding the map difficult to use as well. Namely I can't see enough of my possible route to determine if it's a good route or death incarnate. I haven't used it much beyond that because route selection is step 1. Sorry.
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Daerrol
Quantum Singularities Half Massed
139
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Posted - 2015.05.01 13:20:56 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:Staten Island wrote:Ask any rl world map maker and they will tell you... Y... you know a map maker? Cartographer. |
Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
0
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:49:11 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:I'm finding the map difficult to use as well. Namely I can't see enough of my possible route to determine if it's a good route or death incarnate. I haven't used it much beyond that because route selection is step 1. Sorry.
When i open the map, it just looks like a blob of pretty colors. Sure you can zoom in and out and tweak it, but there is just so much needless information thrown at you which you have to filter out that it is difficult to do it on the fly. So when you are moving from one low sec system to another and you just want to see the map to figure out where to go, its a major pain in the a-- to get the basic information that you need. Its just amazing that doltan continues to get it right while ccp gets itself twisted into a knot trying to squeeze every little gee wiz feature into the map.
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Shuckstar
Taking Inc Swine Aviation Labs
296
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:29:53 -
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I tried to do some exploration with the new map last night and it ******* horrible. I persisted with the new map for about 2 hours, then decided screw this back to the old map.
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
248
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:31:28 -
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Whoa Nelly! I just found the "Abstract Layout" setting which is apparently the same thing as "flatten"? It's under that little flower lookin' icon top left of the map window.
Opinion reassessment in process...
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3498
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Posted - 2015.05.01 22:22:22 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:Whoa Nelly! I just found the "Abstract Layout" setting which is apparently the same thing as "flatten"? It's under that little flower lookin' icon top left of the map window.
Opinion reassessment in process...
Eh, its useful if you don't know EVE's space. It's genuinely terrible otherwise. Makes it harder to recognize regions at a glance, parse large amounts of information at a glance, etc. Lower resolution data is almost never a good thing. |
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