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Drusus Rensus Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:43:00 - [61] Quote: Your sorta of right but their are a few things their your missing. 1. This is eve, game mechanics will not allow ASCN to literally over run BOB because of node crashes. Okay that right their limits that industrial might allot, because they can only field a similar amount of people as BOB. Well, that's kind of my point. A fleet of Titans/Dreads/Carriers doesn't have to be very big numerically to raise a lot of hell, does it? Quote: 2. Those fleets of titans will never happen because a titan is not an I WIN BUTTON. Most BS can tank a titan blast, but its the supporting fleet that makes a titan dangerous, with the jump portal a titan can bring a fleet with into a BOB system. True, but can they tank 2? 3? That was kind of my point. If you're facing a fleet of even a few titans, you're going to need better than battleships to survive. Unless you have a similar fleet yourself, you would be in real danger of simply being overrun.
MarketMouse The Genesis Project	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:44:00 - [62] Riley, that's certainly possible. We shall see I guess.
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig DPB I'm pretty sure it wasnt friday night but the night before friday. Also curious about your note "they sat the fighters back when they had 140 - they engaged when they had 100", because that night (if its the one the node crashed) I engaged as soon as you brought your dreads out (unless you shot a pos down while nobody noticed, in that case I guess its a tad embarassing eheh). - Gob You're correct, it was Thursday night. You had around 140 fighters assigned to support at a POS at one point, and over 100 for a good couple of hours or so whilst we were putting two POS into reinforced (I was the one watching your fighters and counting them). I then went to sleep and came back the next morning to find out that you had engaged approximately 40 minutes after I went afk :(. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Hellcore Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:48:00 - [64] Originally by: Mangold I'm neutral in this particular war but I find the forum spamming quite disturbing. So you have spies in ASCN as you got the information posted above? Then you use that information to brag about it on the forums to try to lower their morale? And then you start posting kill/death ratios and we all know that there isnt a single accurate killboard in eve. Was this really worth a post? Hi Mangold :) OFC it is worth a post, what is detrimental to these threads is not the stats, the implications or the tone. It is the random spamming of clueless twits from all (yes some BoB should know better) parties, including fanbois on both sides and even worse fanbois with no side who have nothing better to do than derail threads. As for killboards, BoB's is pretty well known for being one of if not the most accurate. Certainly, not posting kills losses, any tampering or any kind of stat massaging is a quick way back into an NPC corp.
scabbsssjr Gallente The Afterlife	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:48:00 - [65] Originally by: Drusus Rensus Quote: Your sorta of right but their are a few things their your missing. 1. This is eve, game mechanics will not allow ASCN to literally over run BOB because of node crashes. Okay that right their limits that industrial might allot, because they can only field a similar amount of people as BOB. Well, that's kind of my point. A fleet of Titans/Dreads/Carriers doesn't have to be very big numerically to raise a lot of hell, does it? Quote: 2. Those fleets of titans will never happen because a titan is not an I WIN BUTTON. Most BS can tank a titan blast, but its the supporting fleet that makes a titan dangerous, with the jump portal a titan can bring a fleet with into a BOB system. True, but can they tank 2? 3? That was kind of my point. If you're facing a fleet of even a few titans, you're going to need better than battleships to survive. Unless you have a similar fleet yourself, you would be in real danger of simply being overrun. My first response was to your WW2 remark. Do you really think BOB has no titans? Or doesn't have one being built atm? OMG you got a fleet of titans, your going to win. Thats not how things work, titans can be killed and we will hopefully see a killmail soon. PPL used to think a fleet of carriers was I WIN, can't stop it (back when they were first out).
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:50:00 - [66] Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 05/11/2006 16:51:33 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 16:39:34 Gob, You are correct, it was Thursday night, Friday morning. I was there though. We killed a POS while u had 140 fighters out at your pos. This number dropped to around 100 when you finally attacked us. If you cov ops couldn't find us, I'm sorry mate, get new cov ops pilots. I can probably get you the details of which pos we killed if you really want to call me on it. dbp You sure? Cuz - well - I dont exclude the cov opses could have missed 10+ dreads blasting at a POS but wanted to check. EDIT: seems farjung confirms, roger that o_o'' - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:50:00 - [67] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:31:00 Acan is an idiot and posted incorrect figures. Originally by: Eldo Davip Thread cleaned of the usual stuff you find in CAOD threads. so some ppl r allowed to insult others on forums, while others r not ? nice...not
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:54:00 - [68] BoB are attacking ascn out of fear it's one of the funniest things i have read on the forums in a while, thanks
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:56:00 - [69] pos deaths for gob: p2m1 died on thursday, around 19gmt p6m6 died on friday, around 23.30 p6m15 died on saturday 1.40gmt (i told you in local that your pos is dying after you complained about pointless bob tactics:p) p?m? died on saturday morning around 5gmt (worth mentining, as we reinforced a pos b4 this and there was weak fighter attempt... ) Biggest fighter zerg was on thursday. ----------------------------------------------- Remove flashes from capital torps.
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:56:00 - [70] Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:31:00 Acan is an idiot and posted incorrect figures. Originally by: Eldo Davip Thread cleaned of the usual stuff you find in CAOD threads. so some ppl r allowed to insult others on forums, while others r not ? nice...not Err... corp mates? Hello? Earth calling Don ZOLA! "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:57:00 - [71] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: Goberth Ludwig DPB I'm pretty sure it wasnt friday night but the night before friday. Also curious about your note "they sat the fighters back when they had 140 - they engaged when they had 100", because that night (if its the one the node crashed) I engaged as soon as you brought your dreads out (unless you shot a pos down while nobody noticed, in that case I guess its a tad embarassing eheh). - Gob You're correct, it was Thursday night. You had around 140 fighters assigned to support at a POS at one point, and over 100 for a good couple of hours or so whilst we were putting two POS into reinforced (I was the one watching your fighters and counting them). I then went to sleep and came back the next morning to find out that you had engaged approximately 40 minutes after I went afk :(. Lies...i refuse to believe farjung sleeps
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:03:00 - [72] Quote: The ASCN HC appears to be absent without leave, in fact, just on Saturday night, when ASCN couldn't even raise a fleet to stand in our way, we killed the ASCN HC member, SamuraiJack, carebearing lightyears behind the front lines. You can see this kill on Saturday night on our killboard in RIT-A7 at 22:01. Hmmmm, That doesn't look very good. Max --------------------
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:05:00 - [73] Originally by: Sivona Lies...i refuse to believe farjung sleeps About an hour every four days. --------------------
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:06:00 - [74] Originally by: LUKEC pos deaths for gob: p2m1 died on thursday, around 19gmt p6m6 died on friday, around 23.30 p6m15 died on saturday 1.40gmt (i told you in local that your pos is dying after you complained about pointless bob tactics:p) p?m? died on saturday morning around 5gmt (worth mentining, as we reinforced a pos b4 this and there was weak fighter attempt... ) Biggest fighter zerg was on thursday. Actually II-1 was meant to come out at 19:00 EVE time, but got bugged and the timer extended another 10 hours or so :\. The GMs messed around with it for a bit while we were putting two POS around planet VI into reinforced. VI-6 and VI-15 I'd guess, but I can't remember for sure. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Khayman33 Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:11:00 - [75] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Kaleeb So you think ASCN would be winning if their leaders turned up on th front lines? I`m curious to see what you would do differently thats all. Unless the leaders are on the front line, in battleships (not in covert OP hiding), commanding fleets, calling targets, being called primary and dying, they are not leaders that will commend respect and are not worth fallowing. Period. If you fallow any other kind of a leader, then he will fail you in a long run when the going gets tough. Example. DICE CEO is out best fleet commander (one of many, but imo the best one). He loses ships more then anybody. HeÆs always primary. He never has any money. Our members donate to him whatever he needs, because he does not take any ISK from corp wallet. That goes to the corp business, not him. ThatÆs the kind of a leader we fallow and weÆll die at a moments notice if he says so. I would never fallow any other kind of a leader. BoB has a lot of these kind of leaders and thatÆs why BoB rules. ASCN leaders are not seen on the battle front. They are not commending the fleets, they are not losing ships out of their own packets. There are a lot of other reasons for their failures that it would take to long to write up, but I think I made my point. The actuality is that when this is over, the ASCN pilots that are on the front lines, some might end up in BoB. When fighting against each other, a lot of times mutual respect is formed and from experience in past wars, our old enemies become our corp mates when all said and done. The leadership usually end up with all of the alliance assets, moves to a new area or jump ship to some other alliance and forever blames BoB for their failures. ThatÆs how it always ends up and it wonÆt be any different this time. That remind me frederik :p They didn't kill one of your dread when they engaged you at POS with 100 fleet and fighters ?
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:13:00 - [76] Originally by: LUKEC pos deaths for gob: p6m15 died on saturday 1.40gmt (i told you in local that your pos is dying after you complained about pointless bob tactics:p) Well we didnt have enough to take on dreads that time anyway so might aswell take down a few hacs - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
SaorAlba Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:28:00 - [77] Originally by: Ascend Alt Originally by: DB Preacher Your goals for the weekend have failed. Your fleets have failed. Your Capital ships have failed. Your HC has failed. I do wish you guys would just stop beating round the bush and tell us we are rubbish at this game. In fact, why not just start a thread called "ASCN is rubbish" and keep it all in that one thread and give other people a go eh? The goal of this and other post is to demoralice you. You can only be defeated if you give up. If you don't give up Bob can hold one or two stations and that be it. I am not there. I don't know how your posses and theirs are set up. I don't know if Bob goes in short, med or long range with their dreads. What I do know is that with the right pos setup and fleet it would be a piece of cake to decimate Bobs capital fleet. GL, Alba.
Ivan Hablovi	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:31:00 - [78] I would like to see all these BoB Virtual-enis threads in some other part than where they tend to post these. These do not contribute in ANYWAY on the forums. Its just totally and utterly for BoB, AND ONLY FOR BOB, to feel that they have succeeded, and also to see how people would react to their superiority in the area they reside. They must have own forums aswell, but there the reactions must be not worth it, (OMG!!oneone!! WE RULEX!!oneoneeleven, ASCN SUCXOR!!oneeleven.) so instead they come to Eve-O Forum to incite hatred and just utter shame for themselves. If I would be the man holding the strings, I would ucking put 100M fine for every single post like this. Who wants to see a whole community to react negatively to a Alliance you have created and supported from the beginning. Not me. And also, if ya are successful, why the hell should you be boasting in Eve-O forum about it? Finish the War, or shut the **** up. Thats what I think. Just my 5 pennies...
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:36:00 - [79] Originally by: Sun Ra U can run 100 cruise missle launchers on a POS??? jeezus Yes but they just do the damage of a standard cruise missile so they dont really hurt at all (really low ROF) and as they take cpu when the tower goes into reinforced they ALL go offline meaning no opposition and support can sit with dreads on final takedown. A POs setup with just missile launchers is man from heaven for the attackers.
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:43:00 - [80] Edited by: DTee on 05/11/2006 17:43:52 I'm slightly bewildered as to the reaction from the eve community. I'm not going to sit here and counter agure everyones posts and break down each post. The fact of the matter is most people complain about not knowing whats going on in eve and various parts of it. Consider this a war story with DBP's own twist. I dont think anywhere anyone has said we are going to steam roll ASCN, Nowhere have we (by "we" I mean the leadership of BoB) set aims of taking ASCN space in a month. I think at most pilots have said we are in it to pew pew no matter whether its in paragon soul or feyth. I would also like to take this opportunity to congratulate ASCn on putting up a fight as I have many times. Thank you. Host of The DT show - Thursdays during downtime. Listen to BoB Radio now!
Guma Tempt Fate	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:48:00 - [81] Originally by: DB Preacher On 01/11 the ASCN leader CYVOK set a series of goals for his members. At the time of setting these objectives, ASCN had spent the previous day spamming POS into GQ2s and H8-. Due to ASCN's fear of using thier dreadnoughts, we ignored H8- and focused on GQ2s. Our POS in H8- are not in any danger. In GQ2S, ASCN had 13 large pos. They added a further 1 large and 1 small (already reinforced). We had 5 large pos (1 for each BoB corp). As we have said previously, we are not going to get into a pos spamming war with ASCN. This, however, was misinterpreted by ASCN as us being afraid to fight for a system. We are not. So BoB is not afraid....why you made this thread?
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:48:00 - [82] Originally by: Ivan Hablovi I would like to see all these BoB Virtual-enis threads in some other part than where they tend to post these. These do not contribute in ANYWAY on the forums. Its just totally and utterly for BoB, AND ONLY FOR BOB, to feel that they have succeeded, and also to see how people would react to their superiority in the area they reside. They must have own forums aswell, but there the reactions must be not worth it, (OMG!!oneone!! WE RULEX!!oneoneeleven, ASCN SUCXOR!!oneeleven.) so instead they come to Eve-O Forum to incite hatred and just utter shame for themselves. If I would be the man holding the strings, I would ucking put 100M fine for every single post like this. Who wants to see a whole community to react negatively to a Alliance you have created and supported from the beginning. Not me. And also, if ya are successful, why the hell should you be boasting in Eve-O forum about it? Finish the War, or shut the **** up. Thats what I think. Just my 5 pennies... You suck, we don't. We own you. You are nothing, please leave these boards you filth. Now when I've done my usual propaganda rant I can be serious. What we post is hard fact with nice writing. If you don't belive what we say then too bad you are very welcome to come down and have a look, I might even get you in to our corp and you can fly with us for a few days and see the war with your own eyes. If you don't like facts go read the ASCN forum. You Will Cry My Name
Sir Juri Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:50:00 - [83] Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 05/11/2006 17:43:52 I'm slightly bewildered as to the reaction from the eve community. I'm not going to sit here and counter agure everyones posts and break down each post. The fact of the matter is most people complain about not knowing whats going on in eve and various parts of it. Consider this a war story with DBP's own twist. I dont think anywhere anyone has said we are going to steam roll ASCN, Nowhere have we (by "we" I mean the leadership of BoB) set aims of taking ASCN space in a month. I think at most pilots have said we are in it to pew pew no matter whether its in paragon soul or feyth. I would also like to take this opportunity to congratulate ASCn on putting up a fight as I have many times. Thank you. Yeah it doesnt matter if one likes threads like this or not, they should still exist from both sides in any conflict. Me to likes to read about wars and conflicts from time to time. Even if not peronally involved Or dont agree with them, they should still "exist". I wish more people (alliances/corps) post about whats going on even small wars. Hmm since no alt rule came to place this forum is almost dead in content, wish more had the balls to post with mains and give me something to read now and then. **** need to make a new sig...
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:51:00 - [84] So, from what I gather... ASCN attacked BoB. Node crashed, again. ASCN lost again. And you're proud of this why? Originally by: Goberth Ludwig **** what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:52:00 - [85] Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:31:00 Acan is an idiot and posted incorrect figures. Originally by: Eldo Davip Thread cleaned of the usual stuff you find in CAOD threads. so some ppl r allowed to insult others on forums, while others r not ? nice...not Err... corp mates? Hello? Earth calling Don ZOLA! sorry my fault then, i didnt saw acans post(guess it was deleted) and wasnt in position to login and check his corp.
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:54:00 - [86] Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 05/11/2006 17:43:52 I'm slightly bewildered as to the reaction from the eve community. I'm not going to sit here and counter agure everyones posts and break down each post. The fact of the matter is most people complain about not knowing whats going on in eve and various parts of it. Consider this a war story with DBP's own twist. Well, speaking for myself, it'd be nice to get news on what's going on that isn't so obviously chest-thumping and spin. The OP's post might even be accurate -- but when it's surrounded by so much rhetorical chaff it's hard to take very seriously. Personally, I think propaganda works best when the people being propagandized aren't quite so aware of it. I guess your mileage varies.
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 18:00:00 - [87] Edited by: DTee on 05/11/2006 18:00:58 Originally by: Halafian Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 05/11/2006 17:43:52 I'm slightly bewildered as to the reaction from the eve community. I'm not going to sit here and counter agure everyones posts and break down each post. The fact of the matter is most people complain about not knowing whats going on in eve and various parts of it. Consider this a war story with DBP's own twist. Well, speaking for myself, it'd be nice to get news on what's going on that isn't so obviously chest-thumping and spin. The OP's post might even be accurate -- but when it's surrounded by so much rhetorical chaff it's hard to take very seriously. Personally, I think propaganda works best when the people being propagandized aren't quite so aware of it. I guess your mileage varies. To be honest I guess its all about perception. Information can be gotten in many ways regadless if it comes from a "propaganda" post or anything other type. The fact is some people look forward to a sunday thread from BoB or from LV or whoever is on the scene. I just think people read too much in to posts like this. Just like anyone else DBP has posted his view with clear facts.If people dont like it they should not read it, pipedown and stop replying. Host of The DT show - Thursdays during downtime. Listen to BoB Radio now!
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2006.11.05 18:08:00 - [88] Edited by: Halafian on 05/11/2006 18:08:41 Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 05/11/2006 Just like anyone else DBP has posted his view with clear facts.If people dont like it they should not read it, pipedown and stop replying. heh -- pipedown and stop replying. Nice. You said you were bewildered by the response from the community. I gave you an explanation. If you don't like the answer, maybe you shouldn't ask the question. If you don't care what people think, why are you using the boards to shape perception? You want to affect the way people see things, but you don't care what they think. Ok.
Ivan Hablovi	Posted - 2006.11.05 18:16:00 - [89] Edited by: Ivan Hablovi on 05/11/2006 18:18:28 Now that I even got flamed due my thought on how I feel about these threads that are provocative and in my view, damaging to the view how people see and feel about BoB, I must say, Halafian has a point. Don¦t be posting provocative posts or a view that is in sense warped to either side. Ya wont get a positive response if it doesnt really look things objectively. So I have a Idea: Why not start a thread where ya can put war-info, both BoB and ASCN, and tell exactly what happened, ofc said how you felt it happened, since both dont know how the others planned (ofc people dont have spies, nooo), and for first time, contribute in non-aligned way. It would be something to be proud of. And if ya can do it, maybe we rest of eve can follow a good example. Just my 5 pennies.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.05 18:17:00 - [90] Originally by: Metal Dude Unless the leaders are on the front line, in battleships (not in covert OP hiding), commanding fleets, calling targets, being called primary and dying, they are not leaders that will commend respect and are not worth fallowing. Period. Lol. What a load of crap. Smart Gangleaders used covops only and i can assure you it was VERY effective and thus gave them alot of "respect". -------------------------------- Spain ftw!

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