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DTee
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:19:00 -
[91]
Edited by: DTee on 05/11/2006 18:30:26
Edited by: DTee on 05/11/2006 18:28:53
 Originally by: Halafian
Edited by: Halafian on 05/11/2006 18:08:41
Originally by: DTee
Edited by: DTee on 05/11/2006
Just like anyone else DBP has posted his view with clear facts.If people dont like it they should not read it, pipedown and stop replying.
heh -- pipedown and stop replying. Nice.
You said you were bewildered by the response from the community. I gave you an explanation.
If you don't like the answer, maybe you shouldn't ask the question. If you don't care what people think, why are you using the boards to shape perception? You want to affect the way people see things, but you don't care what they think. Ok.
All I'm saying is that nomatter how the post is worded. There is sitll information there that people like to know or read.I also think you took my "pipedown and stop replying" It wasn't directed at yourself. It was directed more at the people posting one liners saying "what was the point". Obviously it is logical not to read or reply to something when you dont care about it or are clearly stating it.I also never said what people think didn't matter. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Also just like any other war propaganda can be a big part of it. Regardless of people seeing through it or not.
I have been at the front lines so I can assure you what DBP has posted is not chest thumping or lies. It is more of an overview and a review of what has happend and failed in his opinion. Just like anyone else is entitled to give their opinion, I'm sure he is too.
Your post atleast was worded more constructively then the guys posting "OMG WHAT WAS HTE POINT WTF RABBLE RABBLE RABLLE". Thank you for being honest.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:28:00 -
[92]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Finally when their fighter numbers had dropped to around 100ish, they attacked our dread fleet in siege mode backed up by a full ASCN fleet of around 100. A ballsy manouver and an amazing fight went down.
In the end, all BoB dreads and all BoB battleships remained unscathed. ASCN's fleet was wiped out along with a massive amount of fighters.
I assume you were engaging a battlestar pos, when it happened. That's indeed impressive, well played. If anyone has frapsed it, I like too see it. 
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Komolov
Gallente
REUNI0N
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:33:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Plutoinum
I assume you were engaging a battlestar pos, when it happened. That's indeed impressive, well played. If anyone has frapsed it, I like too see it.
No, don't show 'em :)
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Chip2k3
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:36:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Chip2k3 on 05/11/2006 18:36:22
omfg! BOB propaganda! 
Seriously, get a grip guys. I dont give a **** about your "ZOMG WE PWNZORED THEIR PLANS" BS, when ASCN disband then you can chestbeat about how uber you are, until then stfu and keep it ingame. Everyone sick of these threads.
(now go go gadget BOB forum squad!)
Hahahaha! You'll never mod meeeeeee! 
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:37:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Slowboat on 05/11/2006 18:37:42
I find your losses disturbingly light in mentioning that not to long ago you lost a frieghter fully loaded with ships and deathstar POS' to an ASCN and Omniscient order gang. But of course you wouldn't want that information out there would you? Because that was supposedly during the time when ASCN forces were "Ineffectually" running around in Delve.
Bob is just as capable of lying and present it as "Truth" as anyone. Anyone who just buys their word and their word alone for the real news of the war needs to have their heads examined. Yes yes, your posting the "facts" of how ASCN is failing miserably. Yada yada yada.. But in such a way as to give absolutely no credit to ASCN when they have done things right and they HAVE done some things right otherwise you would already have complete possession of Paragon Soul and from the map your not even close yet.
Yes yes.. go ahead and flame me I'm sure you will, could care less. Has ASCN made mistakes? Yep. Do they need to learn how to use ships in fleet battles better? Absolutely. I have no problem with criticizing some of their mistakes. What I have a problem with is the utter RUBBISH WAY Bob presents the "facts". About the quality of the average sensationalist tabloid tbh.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:47:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Plutoinum
I assume you were engaging a battlestar pos, when it happened. That's indeed impressive, well played. If anyone has frapsed it, I like too see it.
It deserves little report actually:
It started as "just another pos", apart with "few" more fighters around. Then they dropped first fighter package on us, pos was starting to take armor damage at that time. Attempt was punished with some kills and nearly 0 losses(few intys maybe). At that time, another fleet of 50-60 pilots started to approach gq2 from h8- direction and were like 2j out. Then they jumped in, node crashed (i don't remember exactly when node crashed) when we were holding battlefield completely.
After node crash we all logged back on, my dread was moved to ccp sponsored safespot, like all other dreads apart from one phoenix. As we regrouped, ASCN started to attack the lone dreadnought at pos so was forced to go into another siege cycle but due to lag he took little armor damage as he wasn't able to turn on his shield booster soon enough. After that we warped in other dreadnoughts to reduce damage from pos and assist with drones. Support and battleships warped in few moments later and started working on fighters. Lag nearly killed phoenix again as he wasn't able to micromanage his cap, he managed to turn off shield booster when he had very little cap left but his shields were full and damage wasn't really big at that time. Also lag cleared a little when we killed all remaining drones/fighters and corpses.
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Lakedaimon
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:55:00 -
[97]
Quote:
I find your losses disturbingly light in mentioning that not to long ago you lost a frieghter fully loaded with ships and deathstar POS' to an ASCN and Omniscient order gang. But of course you wouldn't want that information out there would you? Because that was supposedly during the time when ASCN forces were "Ineffectually" running around in Delve.
I'm not sure what you're referring to. BoB did lose that freighter, ASCN killed it fair and square. To my knowledge we haven't tried to hide that fact or blamed that loss on unfair tactics or exploits. From what I'm told the freighter ran into an ASCN gang and didn't manage to escape. Celestial Fleet and Omniscient order got that kill, there was no foul play involved whatsoever. The loss mail is on our killboard for everyone to see. Hiding a loss is fairly difficult if you take pride in having an accurate killboard, and if the loss is therefore posted on your publically available killboard.
I'm curious as to where you got the info about the content of the cargo hold from though - the killboard doesn't list the items that were destroyed AFAIK.
In any case, I'm not sure how this is related to the topic at hand, namely GQ2 and H8-.
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Cristian Misionairy
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:57:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Cristian Misionairy on 05/11/2006 19:01:17
delete
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NeoTech
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:03:00 -
[99]
You forgot one
6)
BoB launches yet another tiresome propaganda attack.
RESULT: FAIL
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:06:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Slowboat on 05/11/2006 19:07:47
Originally by: Lakedaimon
Quote:
I find your losses disturbingly light in mentioning that not to long ago you lost a frieghter fully loaded with ships and deathstar POS' to an ASCN and Omniscient order gang. But of course you wouldn't want that information out there would you? Because that was supposedly during the time when ASCN forces were "Ineffectually" running around in Delve.
I'm not sure what you're referring to. BoB did lose that freighter, ASCN killed it fair and square. To my knowledge we haven't tried to hide that fact or blamed that loss on unfair tactics or exploits. From what I'm told the freighter ran into an ASCN gang and didn't manage to escape. Celestial Fleet and Omniscient order got that kill, there was no foul play involved whatsoever. The loss mail is on our killboard for everyone to see. Hiding a loss is fairly difficult if you take pride in having an accurate killboard, and if the loss is therefore posted on your publically available killboard.
I'm curious as to where you got the info about the content of the cargo hold from though - the killboard doesn't list the items that were destroyed AFAIK.
In any case, I'm not sure how this is related to the topic at hand, namely GQ2 and H8-.
If you think BOB frieghters are going to move around and not get cargo scanned quite a bit..... <shrug>
And where did I make any mention of unfair tactics or exploits? I simply stated that when it comes to their own losses BOB underplay them or don't mention them at all.
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RogueWing
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:07:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Lakedaimon
I'm curious as to where you got the info about the content of the cargo hold from though - the killboard doesn't list the items that were destroyed AFAIK.
It was cargo scanned a few systems before it got jumped from what I understand.
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Report
Amarr
The New Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:15:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Report on 05/11/2006 19:15:10
Originally by: NeoTech
You forgot one
6)
BoB launches yet another tiresome propaganda attack.
RESULT: FAIL
TBH as a newish interested player I'm glad BOB post these updates on both sides. Since CCP dont seem to be reporting and the Tribune is only once a week it's nice to get extra info
ASCN have only really posted info once and that was about losing their dreads, i've read the leadership blogs too but they seem a bit... you know off i suppose.
I'm based quite close to BOB space so I see the mercs like the establishment passing through hired by ascn, I even saw one of the codirectors of that corp that used to hol H8 outpost pirating (he tried the gang trick and gang warped himself to some locals pos losing himself a recon with t2 fittings which caused amusement in local )
It's nice to know what's going on and so far I've only really been impressed by Bob, I thought the attack on Xelas was just low and I havent seen any reasonable justification of it yet.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:19:00 -
[103]
lam just wondering, how long will it take to conquer 34 stations?
Bob would make history if they keep it up until the end. Assuming they want to completely annihilate Ascendancy. my guess is no. its just a guess.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:23:00 -
[104]
Honestly, BoB... what the hell do you expect?
you are fighting a fat industrial alliance and complaining they arent as good as you at PvP
grow up
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:24:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 05/11/2006 19:27:14
Originally by: SaorAlba
The goal of this and other post is to demoralice you. You can only be defeated if you give up. If you don't give up Bob can hold one or two stations and that be it.
I am not there. I don't know how your posses and theirs are set up. I don't know if Bob goes in short, med or long range with their dreads. What I do know is that with the right pos setup and fleet it would be a piece of cake to decimate Bobs capital fleet.
GL, Alba.
This is very true.
You guys need to get some decent FC's in and wipe their dreads out. It would be very easy to do with the resources you have.
I mean, seriously, how on earth do you deploy 100 fighters and 100 battleships, and NOT kill any dreads? What the hell were they doing?
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:25:00 -
[106]
You know what I don't understand...
.... well anybody who is fighting BoB should realise that its standard BoB MO to regail forum readers with their version of events, which may or may not be the truth.
Now if what BoB is telling us are complete fabrications or distortions of the truth, how come we don't get some good rebuttals from ASCN leadership or ASCN diplomatic core, usually tasked with the forum side of things?
All ASCN manage to usually do is say .. aah BoB shutup already.. boring bla bla bla... but no articulate responses countering BoB's very public statements.
Have ASCN got no pride? ... How can you let BoB come onto the forums and say that you are effictively failing at every concievable aspect of this war?
ASCN must be doing something right.... at least I hope they are... why don't you tell us what it is.
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Simon Illian
Caldari
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:34:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Khayman33
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Kaleeb
So you think ASCN would be winning if their leaders turned up on th front lines? I`m curious to see what you would do differently thats all.
Unless the leaders are on the front line, in battleships (not in covert OP hiding), commanding fleets, calling targets, being called primary and dying, they are not leaders that will commend respect and are not worth fallowing. Period. If you fallow any other kind of a leader, then he will fail you in a long run when the going gets tough.
Example. DICE CEO is out best fleet commander (one of many, but imo the best one). He loses ships more then anybody. HeÆs always primary. He never has any money. Our members donate to him whatever he needs, because he does not take any ISK from corp wallet. That goes to the corp business, not him. ThatÆs the kind of a leader we fallow and weÆll die at a moments notice if he says so. I would never fallow any other kind of a leader. BoB has a lot of these kind of leaders and thatÆs why BoB rules.
ASCN leaders are not seen on the battle front. They are not commending the fleets, they are not losing ships out of their own packets. There are a lot of other reasons for their failures that it would take to long to write up, but I think I made my point. The actuality is that when this is over, the ASCN pilots that are on the front lines, some might end up in BoB. When fighting against each other, a lot of times mutual respect is formed and from experience in past wars, our old enemies become our corp mates when all said and done. The leadership usually end up with all of the alliance assets, moves to a new area or jump ship to some other alliance and forever blames BoB for their failures. ThatÆs how it always ends up and it wonÆt be any different this time.
That remind me frederik :p
They didn't kill one of your dread when they engaged you at POS with 100 fleet and fighters ?
without more than 10mega fred think he doesn't have ship in stock for a fight ... and he got a "Frederick Fitting Tm" for fleet fight :p
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:40:00 -
[108]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 14:58:13
ASCN, if this is the example your HC set you urgently need to get them working for you and not just for their own gains.
ASCN Members, your HC has failed you this weekend. I can understand completely why you have deserted GQ2s. I would too tbh.
However, I am sure this is just a minor blip. After your victory in PNQ (you were going to use that to attack fountain right? No rush I suppose), your leaders have you POS sitting again because you can't go toe to toe with BoB.
Your goals for the weekend have failed.
Your fleets have failed.
Your Capital ships have failed.
Your HC has failed.
dbp
Bravo DbP! So besides the obvious attempt to seed doubt and discontent in the hearts and minds of ASCN pilots what else you want to acomplish? (rethoric)
Judging from how you adress ASCN pilots it looks more and more like a campaign of recruiting veteran weak minds, while weakening them as a whole. You Sir are a war animal! 
You will succeed only if they will start beliving in you and i ask ASCN: Do you belive in DbP? 
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
LeviUK
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:43:00 -
[109]
Great, your assault on an industrial alliance is just mindblowing etc.
Now can both of you post industrial facts and figures for the week to see who won?
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Lone Bear
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:53:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Lone Bear on 05/11/2006 19:56:11
Originally by: LeviUK
Great, your assault on an industrial alliance is just mindblowing etc.
When everyone was asking: "when can we see a BoB vs ASCN or BoB vs D¦ war?" ASCN were not considered as a poor "industrial alliance" but as one of the three big blocks. BoB bring it on and now they're poor industrialists? Come on cry me a river 
Edit:
Originally by: Ivan Hablovi
stuff
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:54:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
You will succeed only if they will start beliving in you and i ask ASCN: Do you belive in DbP?
only thing I believe from BoB is their utter hate for us.
nothing more
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:55:00 -
[112]
Originally by: DB Preacher
BoB members, engage brain and get your facts correct before posting and lay off the useless spam.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:57:00 -
[113]
Originally by: LeviUK
Great, your assault on an industrial alliance is just mindblowing etc.
Now can both of you post industrial facts and figures for the week to see who won?
Thats one of the silliest replies ive had the honor to read in a very long time.
Who are bob supposed to hit who is not "industrial" ?
When bob attacked goonswarm they were bad for taking on newbies and were supposed to take on "one of the big 2" namely d2 or Ascn. Now that they fullfilled that wish once again they are doing the wrong thing because Ascn might have been "one of the big 2", might be the industrial powerhouse, might be a major political player who bullies ppl in the south, might be aggressive enough to attack d2 "up north", might be eager enough to camp in trust and and and but they are now "industrial" ?
Sorry thats an old record. FA or SA were never industrial when they claimed supremacy over Ca, yet when bob attacked/killed/removed them they quickly claimed to be "industrial" as an excuse. Same applies for ASCN these days.
Who should bob hit in your wisdom who are not "industrial" or otherwise handicapped ?
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Lone Bear
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:59:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Who should bob hit in your wisdom who are not "industrial" or otherwise handicapped ?
Concord!!!!
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:02:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 05/11/2006 19:27:14
Originally by: SaorAlba
The goal of this and other post is to demoralice you. You can only be defeated if you give up. If you don't give up Bob can hold one or two stations and that be it.
I am not there. I don't know how your posses and theirs are set up. I don't know if Bob goes in short, med or long range with their dreads. What I do know is that with the right pos setup and fleet it would be a piece of cake to decimate Bobs capital fleet.
GL, Alba.
This is very true.
You guys need to get some decent FC's in and wipe their dreads out. It would be very easy to do with the resources you have.
I mean, seriously, how on earth do you deploy 100 fighters and 100 battleships, and NOT kill any dreads? What the hell were they doing?
Seriously dude, you dont know sh1t.
How about to lay off the forums and get something done ingame instead of passing judgement?
Thank you.
- Gob
Originally by: SirMolle
ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
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LeviUK
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:02:00 -
[116]
Edited by: LeviUK on 05/11/2006 20:03:28
Originally by: Lone Bear
Edited by: Lone Bear on 05/11/2006 19:56:11
Originally by: LeviUK
Great, your assault on an industrial alliance is just mindblowing etc.
When everyone was asking: "when can we see a BoB vs ASCN or BoB vs D¦ war?" ASCN were not considered as a poor "industrial alliance" but as one of the three big blocks. BoB bring it on and now they're poor industrialists? Come on cry me a river
Originally by: Lone Bear
Originally by: LeviUK
Great, your assault on an industrial alliance is just mindblowing etc.
When everyone was asking: "when can we see a BoB vs ASCN or BoB vs D¦ war?" ASCN were not considered as a poor "industrial alliance" but one of the three big blocks. BoB bring it on and now they're poor industrialists? Come on cry me a river
No river required. You know as well as anyone that if one were to classify alliances by their strengths then BOB would be considered by most to be a PVP alliance and ASCN largely an industrial alliance, although neither are by any means limited to those functions - one of the big three they may be but for different reasons. Or are you actually implying otherwise and that you are fighting an alliance with anywhere near the PVP focus of BoB?
I'm not saying that the war is unfair etc, ASCN made themselves a pretty target but it's the endless crowing about your victories and their ineptness in PVP that just looks very embarassing for you.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:09:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Kaleeb
So you think ASCN would be winning if their leaders turned up on th front lines? I`m curious to see what you would do differently thats all.
Unless the leaders are on the front line, in battleships (not in covert OP hiding), commanding fleets, calling targets, being called primary and dying, they are not leaders that will commend respect and are not worth fallowing. Period. If you fallow any other kind of a leader, then he will fail you in a long run when the going gets tough.
Example. DICE CEO is out best fleet commander (one of many, but imo the best one). He loses ships more then anybody. HeÆs always primary. He never has any money. Our members donate to him whatever he needs, because he does not take any ISK from corp wallet. That goes to the corp business, not him. ThatÆs the kind of a leader we fallow and weÆll die at a moments notice if he says so. I would never fallow any other kind of a leader. BoB has a lot of these kind of leaders and thatÆs why BoB rules.
ASCN leaders are not seen on the battle front. They are not commending the fleets, they are not losing ships out of their own packets. There are a lot of other reasons for their failures that it would take to long to write up, but I think I made my point. The actuality is that when this is over, the ASCN pilots that are on the front lines, some might end up in BoB. When fighting against each other, a lot of times mutual respect is formed and from experience in past wars, our old enemies become our corp mates when all said and done. The leadership usually end up with all of the alliance assets, moves to a new area or jump ship to some other alliance and forever blames BoB for their failures. ThatÆs how it always ends up and it wonÆt be any different this time.
Poor guy.
When will he learn to buy another account.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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HuDDy
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:09:00 -
[118]
Seriously dude, you dont know sh1t.
How about to lay off the forums and get something done ingame instead of passing judgement?
Thank you.
- Gob
QFT nice post Gob
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:13:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Kaleeb
So you think ASCN would be winning if their leaders turned up on th front lines? I`m curious to see what you would do differently thats all.
Unless the leaders are on the front line, in battleships (not in covert OP hiding), commanding fleets, calling targets, being called primary and dying, they are not leaders that will commend respect and are not worth fallowing. Period. If you fallow any other kind of a leader, then he will fail you in a long run when the going gets tough.
Example. DICE CEO is out best fleet commander (one of many, but imo the best one). He loses ships more then anybody. HeÆs always primary. He never has any money. Our members donate to him whatever he needs, because he does not take any ISK from corp wallet. That goes to the corp business, not him. ThatÆs the kind of a leader we fallow and weÆll die at a moments notice if he says so. I would never fallow any other kind of a leader. BoB has a lot of these kind of leaders and thatÆs why BoB rules.
ASCN leaders are not seen on the battle front. They are not commending the fleets, they are not losing ships out of their own packets. There are a lot of other reasons for their failures that it would take to long to write up, but I think I made my point. The actuality is that when this is over, the ASCN pilots that are on the front lines, some might end up in BoB. When fighting against each other, a lot of times mutual respect is formed and from experience in past wars, our old enemies become our corp mates when all said and done. The leadership usually end up with all of the alliance assets, moves to a new area or jump ship to some other alliance and forever blames BoB for their failures. ThatÆs how it always ends up and it wonÆt be any different this time.
Poor guy.
When will he learn to buy another account.
When Evil Thug stops buying them all for plexing ofc!
Originally by: Admiral Goberius
Basically we need to understand why they manage to cream our dreads like they were shuttles and theirs manage to tank a total of 150 ascn ships + 112 fighters
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BOldMan
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 20:14:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 05/11/2006 19:27:14
Originally by: SaorAlba
...something...
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I mean, seriously, how on earth do you deploy 100 fighters and 100 battleships, and NOT kill any dreads? What the hell were they doing?
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Seriously dude, you dont know sh1t.
How about to lay off the forums and get something done ingame instead of passing judgement?
Thank you.
- Gob
I read with pleasure and joy some replies. The true is the server 'dont know sh1t'
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