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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 14:57:00 -
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On 01/11 the ASCN leader CYVOK set a series of goals for his members.
At the time of setting these objectives, ASCN had spent the previous day spamming POS into GQ2s and H8-. Due to ASCN's fear of using thier dreadnoughts, we ignored H8- and focused on GQ2s. Our POS in H8- are not in any danger.
In GQ2S, ASCN had 13 large pos. They added a further 1 large and 1 small (already reinforced). We had 5 large pos (1 for each BoB corp).
As we have said previously, we are not going to get into a pos spamming war with ASCN. This, however, was misinterpreted by ASCN as us being afraid to fight for a system. We are not.
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ASCN Goals thru Monday
1) Reinforce the ASCN POSĘs in H8 & GQ2. Keep them alive at all costs and constantly add more to those systems as we get time to.
2) Keep the huge Carrier/fighter supported gangs on the front lines. Stay smart and steadily kill the BoB fleets.
3) Break out the dreads when we can and pot shot the BoB towers into reinforced.
4) Maybe make a road trip into delve to destroy a couple BoB Capital Ship Yards.
5) Retaking and holding H8 & GQ2 are primary goals. If it is impossible to do that take the fleet into TPAR and take that system from BoB.
So, I want to tackle each of CYVOK's goals for ASCN and show the result of each of these goals.
1)
Since Wednesday, we have had the dreadnoughts out permanently killing their pos. Every pos we could kill is dead. This includes a 100 cruise missile launcher POS (which must have taken 25 hours to put up). I would have cried if I was the dude who placed that one.
ASCN have 6 more POS in reinforced coming out soon, which we will also kill.
In H8- neither side currently has sov. It is a stalemate.
Therefore, ASCN have failed to reinforce their pos, they have failed to keep them alive at all costs and they have failed to constantly add more to the systems.
RESULT: FAIL
2)
The huge carrier/fighter fleet was very impressive, when it was around. ASCN rolled out 140 fighters on friday night. They then sat them at a pos for about 4 hours letting us kill another POS in the meantime.
Finally when their fighter numbers had dropped to around 100ish, they attacked our dread fleet in siege mode backed up by a full ASCN fleet of around 100. A ballsy manouver and an amazing fight went down.
In the end, all BoB dreads and all BoB battleships remained unscathed. ASCN's fleet was wiped out along with a massive amount of fighters.
This was the last time we saw the carrier/fighter fleet in any size. It simply vanished from the front lines.
RESULT: FAIL
3)
This is a simple one. We haven't lost a POS to ASCN Dreadnoughts in the last two weeks. In fact, the last time they took their dreadnoughts out to play, they lost 7 of them.
RESULT: FAIL
4)
As above, coupled with the fact that ASCN seem frozen and unable to act together more than once per week.
RESULT: FAIL
5)
GQ2s is completely under our control. H8- has no sov for either alliance. TPAR is completely under our control.
RESULT: FAIL
Conclusion:
ASCN HC are setting unrealistic goals for ASCN members. They appear to be completely unaware of the actual capabilities of thier own alliance and the numbers available to them.
The goals set above are long term goals in a short term setting. ASCN appear to be trying to play EVE with Quake-like Timelines, rocketjumping around with no focus.
The reasons for this are simple and once again come down to leadership. The BoB leaders are there on the frontlines, fighting our asses off alongside our members. Quite simply, we are leading.
The ASCN HC appears to be absent without leave, in fact, just on Saturday night, when ASCN couldn't even raise a fleet to stand in our way, we killed the ASCN HC member, SamuraiJack, carebearing lightyears behind the front lines.
You can see this kill on Saturday night on our killboard in RIT-A7 at 22:01.
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 14:58:13
This is the gentleman that is the ASCN nominated voice on the map thread. One whom I have constantly questioned to whether he had any clue about what was going on due to his inaccurate posting (hi, I still can't fly a barge).
ASCN, if this is the example your HC set you urgently need to get them working for you and not just for their own gains.
ASCN Members, your HC has failed you this weekend. I can understand completely why you have deserted GQ2s. I would too tbh.
However, I am sure this is just a minor blip. After your victory in PNQ (you were going to use that to attack fountain right? No rush I suppose), your leaders have you POS sitting again because you can't go toe to toe with BoB.
Your goals for the weekend have failed.
Your fleets have failed.
Your Capital ships have failed.
Your HC has failed.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Kaleeb
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:01:00 -
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1st for once 
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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NAFnist
Rage of Angels
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:03:00 -
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here we go ...
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Lt Widowmaker
Caldari
StormTroopers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:04:00 -
[5]
more forms game? Why dont you tell the good people of eve, what you lost? I bet you wont.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Astrophobics
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:05:00 -
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No time to post, but my forum whoring is toned to spot this thread fast
Will read it when I get back
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Lexor SLice
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:05:00 -
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very informative post, even for us on this side of the fence, if only more were like this.
<3
Lex
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/11/2006 15:07:21
/emote orders a LOT of popcorn.... 
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Semtex'o
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:08:00 -
[9]
Right another BoB propaganda thread *sigh*
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Remmington Daniels
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:09:00 -
[10]
Its not over...
also Cloaked Carriers for the win :|
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Crucifier
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:10:00 -
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I've never looked at it that way, but I guess you're right.
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Soulis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:15:00 -
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i'm glad i made it for the start of this thread unfolding. \o/
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Xanaxa
Amarr
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Xanaxa on 05/11/2006 15:18:20
Originally by: Lt Widowmaker
more forms game? Why dont you tell the good people of eve, what you lost? I bet you wont.
All BoB losses can be found under http://www.killboard.net/?p=alldeaths
EDIT: LOL, Acan was quicker
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Acan
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Acan on 05/11/2006 15:17:00
Edited by: Acan on 05/11/2006 15:15:32
Originally by: Lt Widowmaker
more forms game? Why dont you tell the good people of eve, what you lost? I bet you wont.
losses are here: http://www.killboard.net/?p=alldeaths
For bs go take a look on our killboards, and counter it with ASCN/POS/AXIOM one.
IIRC, from all
- capital ships we've lost -> 1 (one) freighter.
- poses we've lost -> 5 (five) total?
(that is total for last 5 weeks)
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:16:21
Originally by: Kaleeb
So DBP if you were in charge of ASCN what would you do differently to change the tide of the war?
I believe I answered this above. I'd turn up.
Originally by: Lt Widowmaker
more forms game? Why dont you tell the good people of eve, what you lost? I bet you wont.
Over the weekend?
BoB lost a few battleships and some support. You can read our killboard for full details.
Cheers,
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Semtex'o
Right another BoB propaganda thread *sigh*
Nope, just cold hard facts, guess the truth hurts too much eh Mr. Alt... 
Follow the forums rules or don't post here at all.
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Kaleeb
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:20:00 -
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So you think ASCN would be winning if their leaders turned up on th front lines? I`m curious to see what you would do differently thats all.
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/11/2006 15:25:07
Without wishing to detract anything from what on the face of it, looks like some impressive achievements over the week..... I feel compelled to point out an inconsistency.
Originally by: DBpreacher
3)
This is a simple one. We haven't lost a POS to ASCN Dreadnoughts in the last two weeks.
Originally by: Acan, BoB pilot
IIRC, from all
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- poses we've lost -> 5 (five) total?
This is slightly confusing... how many BOB pos were destroyed in the time period you are talking of? Or do you literally mean that those 5 POS destroyed were taken down by non-dreadnought forces?
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HordeZla
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Widowmaker
more forms game? Why dont you tell the good people of eve, what you lost? I bet you wont.
Why don't you tell us?
Has been a shame that ASCN HC can't lead there pilots in a more profesional and dedicated manor.
It's not that ASCN can't fight back, it seems to me that the HC is unable to forumlate plans as the situation changes and this will be the reason that there fleets are spread all over EVE attacking empty space or targeting systems that have no effect on BoB.
Was a good read and it just a shame that it's going to be dis-credited by alts and BoB haters.
If I was on the recieving end of this I would be demanding answers and results instead of excepting the lies.
I honestly hope th HC can except there failing and start preforming for there followers.
Try again!
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:30:00 -
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Acan is an idiot and posted incorrect figures.
However, for totality I will post the actual figures since the beginning of the war.
I believe we lost 2 small BNC.E pos in TPAR 3 weeks ago and 1 small RKK pos in delve in 49- to a battleship fleet last week.
BoB members, engage brain and get your facts correct before posting.
thx,
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:33:00 -
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fair enough.. please continue .. 
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Coupo
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
2)
The huge carrier/fighter fleet was very impressive, when it was around. ASCN rolled out 140 fighters on friday night. They then sat them at a pos for about 4 hours letting us kill another POS in the meantime.
Finally when their fighter numbers had dropped to around 100ish, they attacked our dread fleet in siege mode backed up by a full ASCN fleet of around 100. A ballsy manouver and an amazing fight went down.
In the end, all BoB dreads and all BoB battleships remained unscathed. ASCN's fleet was wiped out along with a massive amount of fighters.
This was the last time we saw the carrier/fighter fleet in any size. It simply vanished from the front lines.
Funniest part is, when the node went down they blamed us.. it had nothing to do with 100ish fighters all entering the grid with the pos.. oh no, not at all.
Also made me titter at the complaints about "why couldnt 100 fighters take down a dread" well maybe they would if the guys controling the fighters were actually loading up and not lagged out.
In effect the 100ish fighter bombing session was a turkey shoot for those of us that were preloaded because of the sheer number of fighters.
But i didnt say :)
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:36:00 -
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Nez, the number of 5 is incorrect and also referred to the total duration of the war. the correct number is 2 I believe, 2 small ones. But I could be off by a small or medium tower. None were lost since we moved ito GQ2.
I really don't think getting into arguments about kills and losses is going to get this thread anywere btw. We all know the conlcusion will be that we all disagree about what the true numbers are, who to count and who not, and that the overall balance is in our favour regardless of how you calculate. So let's let that rest.
This thread looks to be about ASCN strategy. We've been fairly consistent about letting people (outside bob and inside ascn) know what we think of their strategy. And are quite consistent in letting the same people know the factual effects of the strategies as well.
It seems that's what we are doing here too. It's not really a discussion thread about kills as much as it is about which way the pendulum swings these days.
And we all know that as long as what ends up in the ASCN internal blogs and threads is largely misrepresentation of what is actually happening, we will continue to do this when it suits us.
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Drusus Rensus
Gallente
Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 05/11/2006 15:39:24
That's as fine a "Tokyo Rose" impersonation as I've ever seen.
Propaganda (and espionage, since you seem privvy to their battle plans ahead of time) are a two-edged sword in warfare, especially when they are used together. They will hasten the defeat of an adversary that is destined for defeat anyway, but they will harden the resolve of one who isn't. All I can say is, better be sure which one you're dealing with before employing these kinds of tactics. Otherwise, you might want to just let your guns do the talking.
Don't know how much of a history buff you are, but things didn't work out so well for Tokyo Rose, or Joseph Goebels. All in all, they might have been better served keeping their mouths shut.
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eveceo1
Gallente
Revival.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:40:00 -
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Pointless BoB post, as per usuall.
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Coupo
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: eveceo1
Pointless BoB post, as per usuall.
If its pointless why waste your time to post?
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Coranor
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: eveceo1
Pointless BoB post, as per usuall.
Could say the same about your post.
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eveceo1
Gallente
Revival.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Coupo
Originally by: eveceo1
Pointless BoB post, as per usuall.
If its pointless why waste your time to post?
1- To see the replies of the BoB forum monkey team
2- To let people know my oppinion - which is generally the idea of posting on a forum.
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Ghitza
Backup Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:47:00 -
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Nice post, but its drama makes me laugh. ASCN failed, FCs failed, HC failed, everyone failed, noobs  Dont take it as flame, its only my feeling after reading that.
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Coupo
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Coupo on 05/11/2006 15:53:31
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