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Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 02:21:00 - [181] what the hell is it with bob? shut up and blow stuff up already. no one gives a flying gibbon's malignant left testicle about the propaganda, no matter who chooses to admit this very obvious fact. Kill each other and shut it already. _______ My pod is filled with beer. Dont make me spring a leak
Danari Amarr Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 02:49:00 - [182] Originally by: War Bear Two simple questions as I've not been keeping up with every aspect of this war. What has BoB accomplished? They've taken one station and killed a lot of ascn. It's fair to take bob at their word on their successes on the field, which should surprise nobody. Originally by: War Bear What has ASCN accomplished? Now I am really hoping this message actually sinks in. We've stood toe to toe for 5 weeks with the best pvp unit in the game. Look at bob's history. Hell look at MC's history. Look at it closely. ASCN conservatively has popped 40bil of bob. Conservatively. Has anyone ever done that to bob? Has MC ever done that to anybody? We're bloody well doing the best we can. Instead of laughing, stop to think if you could do better. Name me an alliance that could kill 40bil of bob and be only down one station. Think about the adversity and what it says about us.
Father Calistas Antipodean inc.	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:21:00 - [183] That's not the style of some of the posters here mate. They want to beat you and then rub your nose in it, over and over again. I don't really get why. Just smile and quietly fight. It's far more menacing I reckon. All this chest beating makes it look like people have something to hide or something they're insecure about. Bring on more posts like Rebellion. Real, on location accounts of the fighting as it unfolds with personal observations, annecdotes and comments on the quality of the fighting of both sides. It honours the participants far more greatly than abusing ASCN (or BOB) HC and thus, indirectly, those who chose to fight for their team, friends, and home.
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:23:00 - [184] Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Then some people start saying it is propaganda, it is propaganda, but it's backed up by true facts. Most of those facts can be easely verified as it has been pointed out in this thread. I dont see Dbp saying that we have won the war. I see Dbp stating that Ascn short term goals are not met, and implicitly saying that part of our short term goals are. The debate of "who is winning this war" wont go forward with people posting about how much they dislike our posts, how much our posts are propagandistic or how much we are arrogant or how much we are idiotic. Just wanted to comment on the bolded part a little bit. For most of the neutral audience here (like me), propaganda doesn't automatically mean lies. Truth (or even half-truths) can be much better propaganda material, simply because you have facts to back it up with. Just a quick wikipedia snippet here: Quote: Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation directly aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviour of people, rather than impartially providing information. An appeal to one's emotions is, perhaps, the more obvious propaganda method, but there are varied other more subtle and insidious forms. On the other hand, a most common characteristic of propaganda is volume (in the sense of a large amount)." (Full Article Here) So, essentially what makes a list of facts into propaganda is the wording and tone used, as well as the will of the propagandist to hammer the point home by repeating ad nauseum. I can use lies, facts, or both of them, it doesn't matter because according to the above definition my primary aim is to alter people's perception, not give them the news. If the sole purpose of my writing is to create bad vibes in the enemy camp, project my desired image to the general public and help my guys keep their spirits up, it's propaganda all right. The rest is arguing semantics, and doing so is entering the realm of hypocrisy and lack of real, concrete arguments. What's happening is that a lot of wars have been fought with this tool in EvE and the general public is either not buying anymore, or getting tired of having to filter through the posturing for the important parts. As i've said elsewhere, it takes the skills and patience of a satan worshipper looking for a sacrificial virgin on a college campus to find the important bits in war "report" threads nowadays That's also CCP's fault for not having a reliable, unbiased ingame news provider. When we see proper war reports like the recent ones by MC, or stories like the ones in the RKK forum (yes, check them out and go "WTF? Is this the same person posting here and on eve-o?"), then yes, we can say it's actually a war journal and not Herr Goebbels's diary. Until then, both sides in this war are engaging in propaganda battles on this forum. The fact that BoB uses more verifiable claims and hard facts than ASCN (like killboard stats,etc) doesn't mean they are not using propaganda, it just means their propaganda is more believable, hence it's better than ASCN's. Simply, their ingame superiority in combat gives them fuel to further enhance the impact of their propaganda, because they can include true facts that the community can verify and think "well, what do you know, these guys are telling the truth here, so they must be telling the truth all the time". That's the double-edged sword with propaganda, you can debunk the enemy one and strengthen yours, as long as you have some amount of truth on your side. The more you are really winning, the more you can make them feel they are losing more than they really are. Just my .02 isk as usual
Porter Hadlend Gallente Righteous-Indignation	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:31:00 - [185] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:16:21 Originally by: Kaleeb So DBP if you were in charge of ASCN what would you do differently to change the tide of the war? I believe I answered this above. I'd turn up. This illuminating comment comes from the person who has 2 kills in the conflict and then the next most recent kill is in August. Stats from your killboard of course. --------------
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:31:00 - [186] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Decent post Summary: BoB uses Propaganda Damage Mods Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Father Calistas Antipodean inc.	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:34:00 - [187] Edited by: Father Calistas on 06/11/2006 03:35:37 Blackdog, how dare you bring well thought out views and erudition to this thread!!11one!!eleventyone1!
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:43:00 - [188] Originally by: Porter Hadlend Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:16:21 Originally by: Kaleeb So DBP if you were in charge of ASCN what would you do differently to change the tide of the war? I believe I answered this above. I'd turn up. This illuminating comment comes from the person who has 2 kills in the conflict and then the next most recent kill is in August. Stats from your killboard of course. He might not be flying DBP, i know our alliance leaders and FC's tend to fly alts as they are well known and get fed up of being primary, IIRC DBP is also a command ship specilist and so may be consigned to a life in a safespot helping the fleet. OFC he may be busy with other things but i doubt he would post he was ont he front line if he wasn't in one or another
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:48:00 - [189] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am ... wicked post.. That was a really nice post blackdog.. really enjoyed reading that. I'd just like to draw attention to the final part of your post where you said something very intriguing... Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Simply, their ingame superiority in combat gives them fuel to further enhance the impact of their propaganda, because they can include true facts that the community can verify and think "well, what do you know, these guys are telling the truth here, so they must be telling the truth all the time". That's the double-edged sword with propaganda, you can debunk the enemy one and strengthen yours, as long as you have some amount of truth on your side. The more you are really winning, the more you can make them feel they are losing more than they really are. The implication here is that there is a cross-over point at which if one side is really really winning, then propaganda is no longer propaganda but undiluted truth.... ... the question is at what point does this occur? .... has it already ocurred in this war or not? And this is the crux of it I believe..... in an all out war like the one we are bearing witness to, it is positively negligent not to wage some form of propaganda if only because you would be missing out on your propaganda becoming the truth as the war draws to a close. .. and this is why I think BoB are unrelenting with their propaganda/truth, wether some sections of the community like to read it or not.. at least thats the way I see it.
Porter Hadlend Gallente Righteous-Indignation	Posted - 2006.11.06 03:55:00 - [190] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Porter Hadlend Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:16:21 Originally by: Kaleeb So DBP if you were in charge of ASCN what would you do differently to change the tide of the war? I believe I answered this above. I'd turn up. This illuminating comment comes from the person who has 2 kills in the conflict and then the next most recent kill is in August. Stats from your killboard of course. He might not be flying DBP, i know our alliance leaders and FC's tend to fly alts as they are well known and get fed up of being primary, IIRC DBP is also a command ship specilist and so may be consigned to a life in a safespot helping the fleet. OFC he may be busy with other things but i doubt he would post he was ont he front line if he wasn't in one or another Entirely possible Sivona. However I notice all too often that the vocal 'majority' are often the ones way down the chart in terms of killboard stats. I'm not saying they don't fight, or don't use alts, but I seriously doubt ALL of them do. It's not that they can't talk about ASCN's lack of leadership. I honestly am not qualified to speak to that... However their argument might be more properly made by posting with a character with a little more ethos in the bank than someone who's got 2 kills in the 'war'. --------------
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 04:01:00 - [191] Edited by: Ab Initio on 06/11/2006 04:03:56 Another common definition of propaganda notes that it is about the emphasizing of information that assists your cause, while deemphasizing all else. Most of these definitions are vague enough to cover just about any method for getting a point across to someone. Believe us, don't believe us.. Doesn't matter. Just think for yourselves. Originally by: Porter Hadlend Entirely possible Sivona. However I notice all too often that the vocal 'majority' are often the ones way down the chart in terms of killboard stats. I'm not saying they don't fight, or don't use alts, but I seriously doubt ALL of them do. It's not that they can't talk about ASCN's lack of leadership. I honestly am not qualified to speak to that... However their argument might be more properly made by posting with a character with a little more ethos in the bank than someone who's got 2 kills in the 'war'. I can guarantee you that DBP is on the front line, just like the rest of our leadership. Personally I would rather they were a little further back, they're all kill *****s :P
00tricky Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 04:26:00 - [192] Originally by: Porter Hadlend Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:16:21 Originally by: Kaleeb So DBP if you were in charge of ASCN what would you do differently to change the tide of the war? I believe I answered this above. I'd turn up. This illuminating comment comes from the person who has 2 kills in the conflict and then the next most recent kill is in August. Stats from your killboard of course. You may have overlooked the fact that, while you do get a mail for ships your POS kills, you do not get a mail when you kill a POS. Or may be you are not familiar with that game mechanic. It does; however, make it a little more difficult for those not involved, to judge where this war is at. I can see where you could make your mistake. May be you shouldn't assume though. cheers
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.11.06 05:38:00 - [193] Originally by: John McCreedy Monday - Back up PC dies (my primary PC had died a couple of weeks ago!) Tuesday - My Internet Connection dies. Wednesday - My internet Connection is still dead. Thursday - Some prat decides to reverse his car into mine, smashing the front end up good 'n' propper while I'm waiting in a queue for fuel - grrr Friday - I've come down with Flu and not been in for any extended period since nor will I until I get better. Was it bob members disabeling you ? Sorry had to ask that one after you classed them as lifeless punks threatening ppl irl (actually pyrex ceo did but it fits the line).
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.06 05:43:00 - [194] Fart - hehe this is like reading a censored news paper!!! there is nothing important on this thread... Go ASCN!!!
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.06 06:19:00 - [195] Edited by: Slowboat on 06/11/2006 06:23:06 Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Porter Hadlend Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:16:21 Originally by: Kaleeb So DBP if you were in charge of ASCN what would you do differently to change the tide of the war? I believe I answered this above. I'd turn up. This illuminating comment comes from the person who has 2 kills in the conflict and then the next most recent kill is in August. Stats from your killboard of course. He might not be flying DBP, i know our alliance leaders and FC's tend to fly alts as they are well known and get fed up of being primary, IIRC DBP is also a command ship specilist and so may be consigned to a life in a safespot helping the fleet. OFC he may be busy with other things but i doubt he would post he was ont he front line if he wasn't in one or another And here is where I have a real problem with BOB's "ASCN leaders don't show up on the front lines" bs. The very same thing that goes for BOB and Mc leadership using ALTs because they get tired of being primary could very well be true for ASCN's leadership. You think someone like Cyvok wouldn't feel just as tired about being called primary as say, Seleene or SirMolle (who fights as an alt I might add). That is the bunk in BOB propaganda that has now been debunked. I've seen ASCN members tell people on this board that Cyvok has been fighting on the front lines but of course ASCN members must be lying. I'll say this one more time. SirMolle doesn't have a kill to his name AS SirMolle. At least Cyvok has gotten kills as Cyvok.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 06:38:00 - [196] Originally by: Danari Originally by: War Bear What has ASCN accomplished? Look at bob's history. Hell look at MC's history. Look at it closely. ASCN conservatively has popped 40bil of bob. Conservatively. Has anyone ever done that to bob? Over the same period of time, probably not. However, no matter what statistic you use be it pure kills, tonnage or ISK no one can win a war or even fight it to a stalemate at the rate ASCN is going. Something fundamental needs to change and that's all there is to it. Good luck with that, TBH, because I think it would be much more interesting. Quote: Has MC ever done that to anybody? Yes. In addition, no one has ever really put us on a decent alliance-sized target for more than a couple weeks at at time. Typically, in those couple weeks, we make the most of it and inflict more damage than almost any other alliance in the game. We thought we had a chance to go 'all the way' in our recent contract against IAC, but then our client went MIA and no one else wanted to pick up the tab. Quote: We're bloody well doing the best we can. Instead of laughing, stop to think if you could do better. Name me an alliance that could kill 40bil of bob and be only down one station. Think about the adversity and what it says about us. I don't think anyone in this thread is slagging off the rank and file ASCN member. Most of the flamage and questions seem to be directed at your leaders. Oh, and as for the whole MC vs. BoB thing, it's already been covered many times. Blacklight said it best: "BoB attacking the MC would be like trying to drown a cat; the cat will eventually die, but your arm will be cut to bloody ribons." - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Hellwasp Amarr Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:00:00 - [197] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Danari Originally by: War Bear What has ASCN accomplished? Look at bob's history. Hell look at MC's history. Look at it closely. ASCN conservatively has popped 40bil of bob. Conservatively. Has anyone ever done that to bob? Over the same period of time, probably not. However, no matter what statistic you use be it pure kills, tonnage or ISK no one can win a war or even fight it to a stalemate at the rate ASCN is going. Something fundamental needs to change and that's all there is to it. Good luck with that, TBH, because I think it would be much more interesting. Quote: Has MC ever done that to anybody? Yes. In addition, no one has ever really put us on a decent alliance-sized target for more than a couple weeks at at time. Typically, in those couple weeks, we make the most of it and inflict more damage than almost any other alliance in the game. We thought we had a chance to go 'all the way' in our recent contract against IAC, but then our client went MIA and no one else wanted to pick up the tab. Quote: We're bloody well doing the best we can. Instead of laughing, stop to think if you could do better. Name me an alliance that could kill 40bil of bob and be only down one station. Think about the adversity and what it says about us. I don't think anyone in this thread is slagging off the rank and file ASCN member. Most of the flamage and questions seem to be directed at your leaders. Oh, and as for the whole MC vs. BoB thing, it's already been covered many times. Blacklight said it best: "BoB attacking the MC would be like trying to drown a cat; the cat will eventually die, but your arm will be cut to bloody ribons." Now I don't know how MC makes their decisions. But I do know that if the Mc were to ever go to war with bob, they would loose access to all bob stations when the war starts or even befor the war starts if mc announces the war on the forums. Why is this important? Well MC could have potentially billions of isk worth of assets sitting in bob stations. This means they have to either get all their "war" assets out of bob stations stupidly quick otherwise they will be forced to fight without it untill they capture a station. So with that problem at hand and the fact that bob is considered a top notch pvp alliance, if someone wanted to hire MC to attack BOB. I'm betting they better have some serious isk to throw around. ***Also if the war ends with bob still controlling all of their stations then theres nothing that says bob will return access to the stations to MC possably causing MC alot of problems with the "logistics" as part if not all on Period basis may be off limits of MC.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:07:00 - [198] Originally by: Hellwasp Now I don't know how MC makes their decisions. But I do know that if the Mc were to ever go to war with bob, they would loose access to all bob stations when the war starts or even befor the war starts if mc announces the war on the forums. Why is this important? Well MC could have potentially billions of isk worth of assets sitting in bob stations. This means they have to either get all their "war" assets out of bob stations stupidly quick otherwise they will be forced to fight without it untill they capture a station. M8, we didn't build four outposts of our own so we could clutter up BoB's stations with our stuff. In fact, I don't think I've docked in a BoB owned station in the last 8-10 months nor will you see many BoB members dock in ours. That last bit is of particular interest to the 'mercenaries' ASCN hires who think poking their heads in our constellation "looking for BoB" is a smart idea. It isn't. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:55:00 - [199] Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 07:59:49 Originally by: Father Calistas ASCN has some excellent PVP corps, but as BOB should well know, numbers don't tell the whole story. This battle isn't 1600 on 5000, it's 1600 vs the active and interested PVPers of ASCN. Sure, ASCN is trying hard to get everyone keen, but realistically that just won't happen. The alliances are very different and have very different membership. BOB, you're fighting ASCN, a fairly loose association of industrialists of very mixed skill and interest level. ASCN is fighting as hard as it can, as often as it can. How about some respect for that? I think you missed part of my point. Nothing in that post has to do with disrespect for the general fleet. It only has to do with your HC telling you that you are better than you are. If you are only a "loose association of industrialists with mixed skill and interest levels" then why is HC setting ridiculous orders like "TAKE BACK GQ2S IN 5 DAYS". Keep working for HC all you want but in the end you need to look at the alternatives that the other corps in your alliance are already starting to look at. Originally by: Porter Hadlend This illuminating comment comes from the person who has 2 kills in the conflict and then the next most recent kill is in August. Stats from your killboard of course. DB Preacher is a vulture pilot who is on the field constantly in every war. I also have a frig pilot, bs pilot and dreadnought pilot in the system. Since wednesday I've been at the majority of the pos killing. Questioning my participation is not wise as I have the rest of BoB to back it up. However, that was not the point I was making. The point was that when BoB leadership logs in, it logs in and is on the frontlines. We killed SamuraiJack carebearing 30 jumps from the frontline while the rest of his alliance could barely get a fleet together and were crying out for a leader of some sort. The sooner ASCN members simply stand up and question "where the heck is HC?" and "what the heck are these unrealistic goals?"... the better for both sides. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:20:00 - [200] Hmm...many ppl got ofended by some facts pointed toward ASCN HC. Dont get it why? Its not a shame telling others...."we did wrong here, we did wrong there". Obviously, its not easy either, couse HC need to look strong. But boosting moral with pointing "facts" that "might" go in to your favor is just short term aproach....many bad stuff hiden under a carpet will sc.rew you in longer term. But, its up to ppl to chose how they will lead others. And this..."I havent seen you much in fights, etc,etc"....its a bit anoying with many alts ppl playing with....from both sides. There are only few individuals (read "idi.ots") that are posting here and fight with the same char. Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Danari Amarr Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:48:00 - [201] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Danari Look at bob's history. Hell look at MC's history. Look at it closely. ASCN conservatively has popped 40bil of bob. Conservatively. Has anyone ever done that to bob? Over the same period of time, probably not. However, no matter what statistic you use be it pure kills, tonnage or ISK no one can win a war or even fight it to a stalemate at the rate ASCN is going. From the visibility I have, your comment tells me that ASCN's longevity is going to stun the gaming community. The dance with G was much much harder. Quote: Has MC ever done that to anybody? Yes. I did scan your campaigns for a year plus and didn't find anything even half as large. A side point that I won't pursue. Whichever softer than bob target it may have been really isn't important.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:49:00 - [202] re: Samuraijack If you need to go make some isk to replace war losses, does that automatically make you a bad leader, or HC? If I was to go to PB/Delve during the FA wars, I would have found different corps there on different weeks. You guys used to rotate corps from Fountain, to Delve, to PB on a weekly basis to make isk and relax. SJ's been up on the front lines since day one. Move on, there's no story there. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:12:00 - [203] Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 09:13:56 You mean the great ASCN Industrial machine won't/can't replace your leaders ships? So in the meantime, without any leaders, only 50 peeps log on for ASCN to fight and the rest dissapear? Let me give you some advice. You can't win a war by hiding at the back. You can't win a war without absent leaders. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:16:00 - [204] Originally by: Danari Originally by: Danari Has MC ever done that to anybody? Originally by: Seleene Yes. I did scan your campaigns for a year plus and didn't find anything even half as large. A side point that I won't pursue. Whichever softer than bob target it may have been really isn't important. The BoB-based KB does nothing more than track insurance payouts. If anything, the ISK figures quoted can be taken as a mere fraction of actual damage inflicted. It does not calctulate the true value of a ship, it's fittings or whatever cargo it might have been carrying. Nor does it account for the destruction of POS's in any way. I can recall several single ship kills that netted a few billion ISK in damage inflicted by themselves yet only show up on the KB as a simple indy or BS loss. You asked a question and I gave you an answer. If it was a side point you didn't want to pursue, you would have left it alone. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:33:00 - [205] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 09:13:56 You mean the great ASCN Industrial machine won't/can't replace your leaders ships? It's not that we "won't" or "Can't", he didn't ask. Most everyone in ASCN pulls their own weight. Matter of fact, when somebody in ASCN runs out of isk, I send them some when I've got it. I handed off about 125 million isk in ships, assets and isk to some of the guys that needed it. Not everyone has a Tech II feeder BPO to print isk with. People rotate off the front lines on a regular basis. Quote: So in the meantime, without any leaders, only 50 peeps log on for ASCN to fight and the rest dissapear? We've got leaders in the field. You guys have some strange obsession about Pyrex, John or CYVOK being absent if they're not sitting in a gang. I can't speak for everyone in ASCN, but we've got good people who FC on a regular basis. They rotate so they don't get burned out, and they learn. You guys have your way of doing things, we have ours. Just because we're different doesn't mean your way is better. Quote: Let me give you some advice. Great! Quote: You can't win a war by hiding at the back. You can't win a war without absent leaders. I still don't get why you guys keep trying to poke at our leadership, everyone in ASCN sees how utterly transparent your efforts to undermine the confidence we have in them is. The more you guys post on the forums, the more people in the Eve community turn against you. I'm going to go hide under my desk for a while, before those pesky reptillian wings of fear get me. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
slave111 Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:35:00 - [206] Originally by: Slowboat I'll say this one more time. SirMolle doesn't have a kill to his name AS SirMolle. At least Cyvok has gotten kills as Cyvok. LOL This made me giddle. He has killed more ASCN than most BoB. Looking att both kill boards, if you are in fact stating that your HC has been on the front line leading all these failed attempts at fighting, I strongley advise a swift change of leadership. ------------------------------------------------ Minority report:Father Tommaso Caccini denounced Galileo's opinions on the motion of the Earth, judging them dangerous and close to heresy
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:37:00 - [207] Wouldnt it be wonderful to have a war without so much crap spouted on both sides. Bob seem so obsessed posting internal ASCN information and slagging it off. All i feel is that you should grow up. You really dont need to boast constantly about how awesome you are. ASCN look to be re thinking and re organising, though the omfg lag looks to have made fleet battles a massive waste of time. I would personally say that Bob are poor winners, cant quietly just accept victories, instead having to make more posts like this. It makes those responsible sound like excitable 13 year olds (apologies if you ARE an excitable 13 year old).
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:43:00 - [208] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 07:59:49 Originally by: Porter Hadlend This illuminating comment comes from the person who has 2 kills in the conflict and then the next most recent kill is in August. Stats from your killboard of course. DB Preacher is a vulture pilot who is on the field constantly in every war. I also have a frig pilot, bs pilot and dreadnought pilot in the system. Since wednesday I've been at the majority of the pos killing. Questioning my participation is not wise as I have the rest of BoB to back it up. However, that was not the point I was making. The point was that when BoB leadership logs in, it logs in and is on the frontlines. We killed SamuraiJack carebearing 30 jumps from the frontline while the rest of his alliance could barely get a fleet together and were crying out for a leader of some sort. The sooner ASCN members simply stand up and question "where the heck is HC?" and "what the heck are these unrealistic goals?"... the better for both sides. dbp So this is your alt DBP?? Lol and you flame people constantly for not having the balls to post with their main, Oh the irony So who are you kick-ass alts that get all the kills?
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:52:00 - [209] Originally by: slave111 Originally by: Slowboat I'll say this one more time. SirMolle doesn't have a kill to his name AS SirMolle. At least Cyvok has gotten kills as Cyvok. LOL This made me giddle. He has killed more ASCN than most BoB. Looking att both kill boards, if you are in fact stating that your HC has been on the front line leading all these failed attempts at fighting, I strongley advise a swift change of leadership. If you read ALL posts next time and then THINK before you post, you might realise that the discussion was about CHARACTERNAMES, not people. I guess the Bob kb search is busted or you are completly wrong, cause i only find Shrike, no Molle kills. Try again come back later k ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:52:00 - [210] Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 09:53:33 Originally by: Gungankllr I still don't get why you guys keep trying to poke at our leadership, everyone in ASCN sees how utterly transparent your efforts to undermine the confidence we have in them is. Because maybe, just maybe, you'll realise that what they are feeding you is terrible. Then maybe you will evolve as an alliance and realise what you need to do in this war. If you want to remain blinded and can honestly say your alliance leaders are doing you and your alliance mates justice then I can tell you now, they are not. Because right now, everyone, including your own alliance can see that the only place this war is going is with ASCN sitting in AZN wondering how they lost everything else. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

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